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335: How Nori Created a Direct Air Capture + Storage Methodology: A Case Study—w/ Radhika Moolgavkar & Rick Berg, Supply at Nori11 Feb 202501:22:41

How do registries create carbon removal methodologies? Who should be involved in the process, and to what degree? How does one balance all of the competing attributes and stakeholders?

Today's episode is a show in three parts:

First, Nori co-founder and host ofReversing Climate Changeintroduces the context for the main segment which was recorded the better part of a year before its airing. He explores whether or not the quasi-regulatory requirement for registries not to also be marketplaces leads to proprietary methodologies.

Secondly, as Nori has closed down since the recording of this episode, Ross chats with Anu Khan, the Founder and Executive Director of the Carbon Removal Standards Initiative to discuss her work of building an ark for carbon removal methodologies and how that work informs policy and the growth of carbon removal.

Thirdly, is the original body of the podcast where Ross speaks with Radhika Moolgavkar, formerly the VP of Supply & Methodology at Nori, and Rick Berg, formerly Nori’s Director of Methodology, about the development of Nori’s Direct Air Capture + Storage methodology.

They discuss the importance of open methodology development for transparency and trust, and ungating their work so that others can use it and adapt it under the right Creative Commons licensure.

The nuts and bolts of how the expert advisory panel and public comment period work, as well as how that feedback filters back into the methodology, is explained.

The podcast also covers the decision behind selecting DAC amongst all of the other CDR methodologies, the challenges in methodology harmonization across registries and geographies, and how to handle the future of methodological updates as the industry evolves and more is learned.

Resources

Become a paid subscriber toReversing Climate Change

Read Nori's DAC+S Methodology (coming soon!)

Carbon Removal Standards Initiative

Nori's Creative Commons license

Stationary bandit theory

"The Constitution of No Authority" by Lysander Spooner

ICROA andICVCM

How You Can Support the Reversing Climate Change Podcast09 Feb 202500:04:45

Dear listener,

Thank you so much for being a fan of the show. You could be listening to anything with your one wild and precious life and I do not take that for granted. From the bottom of my heart, thank you!

Now that the show is independent, I am working to make it financially viable. Can I count on you to help support Reversing Climate Change by doing any of the following?

  1. In your podcast app of choice, please give the show a full rating and/or review. The two most impactful are Apple Podcasts and Spotify, but if you use a different app that has ratings or reviews, please help me there with a great rating and/or review.
  2. Will you please become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change? For $5/month, you will get bonus content, ad-free listening, and more features as they get rolled out. This is very impactful and adds up!
  3. If you are a podcaster or aspire to become one, here are referral links for the recording platform I use called Riverside, and the editing platform I use called Descript. I can recommend both without reservation.
  4. Tell a friend about the show! If there is an episode you love, please tell someone, share it on social media, and just help me grow the show.


If you have feedback of any kind that you'd like to share, please send it to carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.com.

Thank you so much for helping the show. It is deeply meaningful to me.

Sincerely,

Ross

328: Building a Biochar Startup on a Podcast: Grounded Takes Over Reversing Climate Change—w/ Tom Previte, founder of Restord & host of Grounded13 Jun 202400:42:27

The Grounded podcast takes over Reversing Climate Change! Tom Previte of The Carbon Removal Show, founded a new biochar company in the United Kingdom called Restord. And like any good podcaster, he decided to make a show about it!

Grounded: A Climate Startup Journey, just wrapped its five-episode first season documenting Tom's attempts to start a new biochar company. He walks listeners through so many of the basic questions of starting a business, and specifically a business in a new category like carbon removal. What standard should one try to work within? Which parts of the life-cycle assessment matter? Who actually wants this product?!

What's especially novel about this episode is that Tom and his producer Ben Weaver-Hincks produced it in the style of Grounded, with voiceover segments and various other effects!

Tom and Ross talk about how to make podcasts about carbon removal interesting, how various design decisions impact quality and frequency of publishing, and what we can do to get more people into CDR and climate action through creative media work.

Resources
The Carbon Removal Show
Grounded
Restord
Restord's crowdfunding campaign

S3E16: How to save vanishing foodways and why!—w/ Dan Saladino, author of Eating to Extinction07 Jun 202200:53:55

The Green Revolution in the second half of the 20th century was seen as an important solution to the problem of malnutrition in the developing world at the time.

And while it may have succeeded in staving off hunger, the industrialization of agriculture created a whole new set of problems, chief among them a lack of diversity in our food system.

Why does this matter? What is the food monoculture costing us? And what can we do to bring back some of the diverse foodways we’ve lost along the way?

Dan Saladino is the renowned food journalist behind BBC Radio 4’s The Food Programme and author of Eating to Extinction: The World’s Rarest Foods and Why We Need to Save Them.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dan joins Ross to explain why we so desperately need biodiversity in our food system, exploring why diverse foods may taste better, and could be better for us.

Dan walks us through several examples of rare foods discussed in his book and offers insight on the people working to revive old foodways.

Listen in to understand how the war in Ukraine is causing a food crisis and learn what we can do to create a system that is more resilient, more robust, and healthier—both for people and the planet.

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Resources

Eating to Extinction: The World’s Rarest Foods and Why We Need to Save Them by Dan Saladino

The Food Programme

Slow Food International

Ark of Taste

Royal Botanic Gardens in Kew Research

Stichelton Dairy

The Dark Matter of Nutrition

Vavilov Institute

UN World Food Programme

Consider the Axe: Food, Farming and the Wonders of Stonehenge on The Food Programme

Heritage Seed Library

S3E15: Will NFTs Go Carbon-Negative?—w/ Alexander Salnikov, cofounder of Rarible24 May 202200:34:01

Many of the artists and creators who mint nonfungible tokens (NFTs) are concerned about the environmental impact of the blockchain.

But what if they could pair carbon removal with any given NFT to make it carbon-negative?

Alexander Salnikov is Cofounder and Chief Strategy Officer at Rarible: a multichain, community-centric NFT marketplace.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Alexander joins Ross and cohost Alexsandra Guerra, Nori’s Director of Corporate Development, to discuss the partnership between Nori and Rarible, describing how it affords Rarible users the opportunity to address their carbon footprint.

Alexander explains how NFTs function as an effective way to store assets on the blockchain, exploring the many different use cases for NFTs, and how having access to a community is attracting new users to the space.

Listen in for Alexander’s insight around the future of NFTs and learn how blockchain technology might be used to make all our systems more transparent, faster, and more efficient.

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Nori's website

Nori on Twitter

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Resources

Rarible

Rarible’s Partnership with Nori

Bored Ape Yacht Club

CryptoKitties

Aspen Ideas Climate Conference

Ready Player One

Retina Ghost: creator of the Nori Proof-of-Attendance NFTs from the Miami event

Nori Token Pre-Launch Carnival Recap

Jesse Smith on Reversing Climate Change S3EP12

Ross’s Nori Logo Graveyard NFT

Digital Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money by Nathaniel Popper

Doodles

NFT.NYC

Art Basel

Imogen Heap on Reversing Climate Change S2EP72

Aragon Court

S3E14: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times—w/ Mónica Guzmán17 May 202200:39:04

Mónica Guzmán has some difficult conversations with her parents. She’s a liberal Democrat, while her mom and dad voted enthusiastically for Trump both times.

So, how does she bridge the political divide and maintain a loving relationship with her parents, despite their differences of opinion?

And what can you and I do to develop intellectual curiosity and see difficult issues from different points of view?

Mónica is the Digital Director at Braver Angels , the nation’s largest nonprofit working to depolarize America. She is also the author of the new book, I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Mónica joins Ross to discuss how she navigates the relationship with her conservative Republican parents, describing why it’s important to maintain connections with friends and family who don’t see things the way you do.

Mónica explains how condescension and curiosity are mutually exclusive, challenging us to begin conversations by believing that the other person’s perspective is valid and asking questions around how they came to their beliefs.

Listen in to understand how the more facets of an issue you see, the closer you are to the truth, and learn how to be open to influence or new information that might change your opinion.

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Resources

I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times by Monica Guzman

Braver Angels

Monica on Braver Angels

Monica’s Website

S3E13: Why genocide and war can follow an extreme weather event—w/ Scott Carney & Dr. Jason Miklian10 May 202200:48:15

A long-term study of climate and conflict determined that in places with large populations and a history of political exclusion of ethnic groups, nearly one-third of the wars initiated in the last 40 years were preceded by a climate disaster.

So, what is the connection between climate emergencies and armed conflict? Why do climate disasters escalate political disputes? And what can we do about it?

Scott Carney is an investigative journalist, anthropologist, and New York Times bestselling author. Dr. Jason Miklian serves as a senior researcher at the Center for Development and the Environment at the University of Oslo. Together they are the authors of The Vortex: A True Story of History’s Deadliest Storm, an Unspeakable War, and Liberation.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Scott and Jason join Ross to discuss the geopolitical landscape of South Asia after World War II and explain how the 1970 Bhola Cyclone led to the genocide of 3 million people and triggered the Indo-Pakistani War.

Scott and Jason describe how the conflict between West Pakistan, East Pakistan (later, Bangladesh) and India played out geopolitically with the Cold War between the US and the Soviet Union and offer insight into President Nixon and Pakistani President Yahya Khan’s roles in furthering the Sino-Soviet split.

Listen in to understand why climate disasters serve as catalysts for war, what lessons we can learn from the fight for Bangladesh, and what we can do to prevent armed conflict in the wake of climate emergencies moving forward.

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Nori's website

Nori on Twitter

Check out our other podcast, Carbon Removal Newsroom

Resources

The Vortex: A True Story of History’s Deadliest Storm, an Unspeakable War, and Liberation by Scott Carney and Jason Miklian

Scott Carney

Scott Carney on YouTube

Center for Development and the Environment at the University of Oslo

What Doesn’t Kill Us: How Freezing Water, Extreme Altitude, and Environmental Conditioning Will Renew Our Lost Evolutionary Strength by Scott Carney

Train to Pakistan by Khushwant Singh

George Kennan and Containment

The Sino-Soviet Split

‘Fortress India: Why Is Delhi Building a Berline Wall to Keep Out Its Bangladeshi Neighbors?’ in Foreign Policy

The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson

S3E12: The bleeding edge of regenerative agriculture—w/ Jesse Smith of White Buffalo Land Trust03 May 202200:55:28

What is the gap between what farmers know now and what they need to know to farm more regeneratively? How do we close that gap?

What is the best way to advocate for the adoption of regenerative agriculture practices?

Jesse Smith is the Director of Land Stewardship at White Buffalo Land Trust, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit dedicated to practicing, promoting and perfecting the principles and practices of regenerative ag.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jesse joins Ross to explain how WBLT furthers regenerative ag through the development of products, training programs, and scientific research.

Jesse shares WBLT’s focus on teaching the integration of annual and perennial cropping with animal systems and offers advice on attracting young engineers, scientists, and creative artists to the regenerative ag space.

He goes on to discuss the benefit of ecosystem service payments, describing what he views as the unfair advantage producers have in regions with a higher potential for carbon sequestration and what markets like Nori can do about it.

Listen in for Jesse’s insight on using distributed ledger technology and blockchain to support regenerative ag and learn how you can support White Buffalo Land Trust and its consumer-facing brand, Figure Ate Foods.

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Purchase Nori Carbon Removals

Nori's website

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Resources

White Buffalo Land Trust

WBLT on Instagram

WBLT Training Programs

Figure Ate Foods

Roots of the Future II Event

Savory Institute

Kiss the Ground

The Biggest Little Farm

Leah Penniman on Reversing Climate Change S2EP57

Books by Bill Mollison

Rudolf Steiner

Center for Regenerative Agriculture at Jalama Canyon Ranch

California’s Healthy Soils Program

The NRCS EQIP Program

The NRCS Conservation Stewardship Program

USDA Local Food Promotion Program

Regen Network

How a Warming Climate Is Changing Wine on Reversing Climate Change S3EP10

S3E10: How a Warming Climate Is Changing Wine—with Paul Wagner, wine educator and lecturer12 Apr 202200:58:44

The Rhône Valley of France is famous for its Syrah, Grenache, and Viognier grapes (among others), while Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Cab Franc (et al!) are grown in Bordeaux. And these wine grapes have thrived in their respective regions for centuries.

But what happens when rising temperatures change the kinds of grapes that can be grown in a particular area?

How is the climate crisis changing the way wine is produced? And what can we do as consumers to promote sustainability among winemakers?

Paul Wagner is a Viticulture and Winery Technology Instructor at Napa Valley College and Cohost of Bottle Talk with Rick and Paul. He also serves as guest lecturer at multiple universities in Europe and the US and offers several wine-related courses as part of The Great Courses lecture series.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Paul joins Ross to explain what attracts him to the artistry and experience of winemaking, exploring what makes wine grapes sweeter than any other fruit and how they give you a sense of both place and time.

Paul describes how climate is changing the way wine is made everywhere in the world, discussing what winemakers are doing to avoid rising temperatures and how the climate crisis might influence the evolution of wine in places like Bordeaux and Rhone.

Listen in for insight on how climate informs the alcohol content in wine and get Paul’s advice for the environmentally conscious on choosing a wine you like—and then finding a winemaker who’s working toward carbon neutrality.

(Wine is discussed for its own sake for the first twenty or so minutes. If you want to skip right to the intersection with climate, it begins at 24:32.)

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Resources

Bottle Talk with Rick & Paul

Bottle Talk on CapRadio

Paul Wagner Wine

Paul on The Great Courses

Robert Mondavi

Napa Valley College Viticulture & Winery Technology Department

Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking by Samin Nosrat

Decanter World Wine Awards

Familia Torres: Wine & Climate Change

Wine Folly: The Essential Guide to Wine by Madeline Puckette and Justin Hammack

Hugh Johnson

S3E9: Carbon Removal Newsroom: the people behind CDR's panel news show—w/ host Radhika Moolgavkar & producer Asa Kamer05 Apr 202200:43:16

Carbon Removal Newsroom, the sister podcast to Reversing Climate Change, was born out of a desire to explore current events in the carbon removal space from a policy perspective.

But since the show debuted in early 2019, its production team has evolved and so has our approach to discussing the latest in climate news.

Radhika Moolgavkar is Head of Supply and Methodology at Nori and Host of Carbon Removal Newsroom, and Asa Kamer serves as Producer of CRN.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Radhika and Asa join Ross to explain how CRN evolved to focus on the business, policy, and science of carbon removal news and share their favorite episodes from the recent past.

Radhika and Asa explore how podcasting facilitates thoughtful public conversations around meaningful issues and describe how a show benefits when its host approaches the subject matter with a beginner’s mind.

Listen in to understand how CRN stays up on big news in the industry and get Radhika and Asa’s take on the future of carbon removal.

Connect with Nori

Purchase Nori Carbon Removals

Nori's website

Nori on Twitter

Check out our other podcast, Carbon Removal Newsroom

Resources

Carbon Removal Newsroom

Air Miners

Carbon180

The Carbon Removal Show

Political Climate

The Energy Gang

Holly Jean Buck

Chris Barnard at the American Conservation Coalition

Susan Su

Jane Zelikova

The Boom in Carbon Removal Legislation and Funding on CRN EP045

Noah McQueen of Heirloom on CRN S3EP28

OpenAir’s Toby Bryce on CRN S3EP29

Chan-Zuckerburg Initiative Invests $44M in Carbon Removal on CRN S3EP30

Ocean-Based Carbon Removal on CRN S3EP32

Ton-Year Accounting with Carbon Direct on CRN S3EP31

Eight DAC Companies to Watch in 2022 on CRN S3EP27

Forest Carbon Over-Crediting on CRN S3EP21

Climate Reparations on CRN S3EP26

Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram

Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Facebook

Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Twitter

OpenAir Collective

S3E8: Kelp: Foraged, Farmed, and Delicious!—with Matt Kern, Cofounder of Barnacle Foods22 Mar 202200:45:22

*Use discount code NORI for 20% off your online order at https://www.barnaclefoods.com/. Note: this is not sponsored content. We just dig Barnacle Foods!*

Kelp could be an extraordinary tool for long-term carbon sequestration. It also happens to be delicious.

And that’s why Matt Kern is on a mission to promote kelp farming in his home state of Alaska and replace some of the more carbon-intensive foods in our diet with seaweed.

Matt Kern is the Cofounder of Barnacle Foods, a food manufacturing business based in Juneau that uses Alaskan kelp as its principal ingredient.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Matt joins Ross to discuss how his team sources kelp in a sustainable way and describe what differentiates foraged food from farmed.

Matt explores why seaweed is not more popular in the US and explains what Barnacle Foods is doing to introduce consumers to the savory, rich flavors of bull kelp.

Listen in to understand what makes kelp a fast, efficient tool for carbon sequestration and find out where you can go to try Barnacle Foods’ hot sauce, seasonings, pickles, and other provisions.

Resources

⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change

⁠Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn

Barnacle Foods [Discount Code NORI]

Barnacle Foods Store Locator

Brian Von Herzen on Reversing Climate Change EP034

Brian Von Herzen on Reversing Climate Change S2 Bonus

S3E7: Do compliance markets work? If so, how much?—w/ Mike Azlen, CEO of Carbon Cap Management LLP15 Mar 202200:44:02

We have talked at length on previous episodes about the flaws in compliance markets. And the team at Nori obviously believes in voluntary carbon markets, as we’re building one ourselves.

But there’s a wide range of quality among voluntary markets, and the space is 1,000 times smaller than the compliance programs in progress around the world.

So, have cap-and-trade markets contributed to a meaningful reduction in emissions in spite of their flaws? And are compliance markets the only way to address carbon emissions at scale?

Michael Azlen is the Founder and CEO of Cabon Cap Management LLP and Co-Portfolio Manager of the World Carbon Fund. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Michael joins Ross and guest cohost Aldyen Donnelly to explain how he got interested in carbon as an asset class and share his take on the benefits of compliance markets.

Aldyen offers insight on the two compliance market models, describing the problems associated with programs modeled after the SO2 Allowance Market—and why she prefers the framework of the Montreal Protocol.

Listen in to understand how Michael thinks about regulating voluntary carbon markets and why he is optimistic about the global growth in compliance markets despite their imperfections.

Resources

⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change

⁠Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn

Carbon Cap Management

Climate-Crypto, COP26, and Carbon Accounting Rules on Reversing Climate Change S3EP1

Michael’s Paper on Carbon as an Emerging Asset Class

World Carbon Fund

The US Acid Rain SO2 Allowance Market

The Montreal Protocol

EU Emissions Trading System

Fit for 55

Kyoto Protocol

Clean Air Interstate Rule

Cross-State Air Pollution Rule

The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative

California’s Cap-and-Trade Program

California Scoping Plan Documents

UK Emissions Trading Scheme

327: Carbon Removal & the Philosophy of Science: Kuhn's Paradigms & Feyerabend's Anarchism—w/ Anu Khan & Dr. Holly Jean Buck06 Jun 202400:57:49

How do we conduct science when there isn't a single isolated variable? What does that mean for carbon removal not taking place in a controlled environment? How does science even work?!

Today's show originated from a question of how open-system carbon removal research can be conducted given that in a less-controlled environment, isolating for a single variable with replicability is less obviously possible. Does the scientific method really demand that, or is that some sort of pop culture understanding of science that needs to be challegned?

To answer that question, host and co-founder of the Nori carbon removal marketplace, Ross Kenyon, asked Dr. Holly Jean Buck of the University at Buffalo and Anu Khan of Carbon180, to read two books and come on Reversing Climate Change to discuss them.

The two texts are some of the foundational works of modern philosophy of science: Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, and Paul Feyerabend's Against Method.

Kuhn argued that paradigms are the collection of foundational beliefs we have about how science and knowledge production is conducted, and that they are quite hard to see outside of since most people work so deeply within them. It can often be a generational effort, as older scientists die and new ones take their places.

Feyerabend goes further, arguing that we shouldn't just look for where one paradigm supersedes another, but be protective of competing systems of knowledge and the valuable ways of seeing that they unlock.

The show applies their learnings to the state of the CDR industry, and attempts to ferret out carbon removal's existing paradigm, whether the world is ready for credits that are not tonne-denominated, and how much time we can afford in retooling and letting "normal science" work within an imperfect paradigm vs. trying to create an entirely new paradigm ex nihilo.

N.B. At the 8:55 mark, I contrast Ptolemaic with geocentric and I meant to say heliocentric. Feyerabend said that the quality of predictions between Ptolemaic/geocentric and heliocentric models was similar.

Resources

Anu Khan

Holly Jean Buck

Carbon180

Against Method on Wikipedia

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions on Wikipedia

The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman

Historiography

S3E5: The roots of indigenous agriculture—w/ Dr. Michael Kotutwa Johnson of the documentary Inhabitants01 Mar 202200:44:17

80% of Indigenous people sit on 80% of global biodiversity and 25% of land—but make up only 5% of the population.

So, what can we learn about regenerative agriculture from the Native American farmers who’ve been managing our land for millennia?

Dr. Michael Kotutwa Johnson has a PhD in Natural Resources and is a traditional Hopi dryland farmer. Dr. Johnson regularly lectures on the topic of dryland farming and advocates for indigenous farmers with the Natural Resource Conservation Service, and his work is featured in the documentary film, INHABITANTS: Indigenous Perspectives on Restoring Our World.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Johnson joins Ross and cohost Rebekah Carlson, Agriculture Supply Lead at Nori, to explain how his ancestors learned to raise crops in the arid environment of Northern Arizona and what we can do to honor the long heritage of regenerative agriculture.

Dr. Johnson discusses the benefit of applying Indigenous traditional ecological knowledge in federal decision-making, sharing his place-based approach to land management and endorsement of the cooperative model.

Listen in to understand the hurdles Native Americans face in accessing government conservation stewardship programs and learn how Dr. Johnson raises crops to fit the environment rather than manipulating the environment to fit the crops.

Connect with Nori

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Nori's website

Nori on Twitter

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Resources

INHABITANTS: Indigenous Perspectives on Restoring Our World

Nephi Craig on Reversing Climate Change S2 EP55

Memorandum for the Heads of Departments and Agencies Re: Indigenous Traditional Ecological Knowledge and Federal Decision Making

Regenerative Agriculture Conference

Native American Agricultural Fund

Indian Land Tenure Foundation

Johnson v. M'Intosh

Janie Simms Hipp

Zach Ducheneaux

The University of Arizona Indigenous Resiliency Center

Morrill Land Grant College Act

Hauntologies of carbon removal—w/ Dr. Holly Jean Buck of the University of Buffalo: RCC S3 bonus28 Feb 202200:46:33

What happens to dreams of the future that never arrive, yet still affect our society and culture so deeply? Is it possible to be haunted by failed visions or our own anticipations, and what does that mean? Today, Dr. Holly Jean Buck, Assistant Professor of Environment and Sustainability at the University of Buffalo and author of the new book, Ending Fossil Fuels: Why Net Zero Is Not Enough, comes back on the show for a bonus episode to explain the concept of "hauntology", its origin in Jacques Derrida's writing and later popularization by Mark Fisher in his book, Capitalism Realism: Is There No Alternative?, and to what degree these ideas might help us understand the worlds of carbon removal, climatetech, and our shared planetary future.

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Resources

Dr. Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change S2 Bonus

Dr. Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change EP103

Dr. Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change S3E4

After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair and Restoration by Holly Jean Buck

Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative? by Mark Fisher

S3E4: Why Net Zero Is Not Enough—w/ Dr. Holly Jean Buck, author of Ending Fossil Fuels22 Feb 202200:38:52

In the fight against climate change, many are working to achieve net zero by 2050. And achieving net zero means leveraging quite a lot of emissions reduction, management, and carbon removal.

But Dr. Holly Jean Buck contends that we should focus less on managing the byproduct and more on phasing out fossil fuels entirely by the end of the century.

Dr. Buck is Assistant Professor of Environment and Sustainability at the University of Buffalo and author of the new book, Ending Fossil Fuels: Why Net Zero Is Not Enough. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, she joins Ross to differentiate net zero from full zero and share her vision of a fully decarbonized, post-extractivist society.

Dr. Buck discusses what we can do to overcome the political resistance to renewables and describes how critical theory concepts like ‘petromelancholia’ can help us understand the challenges associated with the energy transition. Listen in for insight around the government’s role in phasing out fossil fuels and learn how we can use net zero as a starting point to facilitate the fair transition to a bioeconomy.

Key Takeaways

[1:49] What inspired Dr. Buck to write Ending Fossil Fuels: Why Net Zero Is Not Enough

[3:17] Why we need to focus less on managing emissions and more on phasing out fossil fuels altogether

[4:06] What differentiates full zero from net zero and Dr. Buck’s argument for working toward full zero

[8:41] What we can do to overcome the political resistance to renewables

[10:12] Why nuclear energy might have fewer political repercussions than large-scale renewables

[12:31] How Dr. Buck thinks about achieving net zero through degrowth

[14:26] Dr. Buck’s take on immersive reality replacement

[17:43] Why Dr. Buck shifted away from using the term ‘managed decline’ to describe the energy transition

[20:55] The concepts of petromelancholia and petro-masculinity

[22:21] Dr. Buck’s insight on how fossil fuel jobs and benefits are gendered

[23:33] How social analysis and critical theory help us understand the challenges associated with the energy transition

[25:30] How a nation’s government impacts its policy around phasing out fossil fuels

[29:05] Why Dr. Buck advocates for big emitters like the US to be more ambitious so that less-developed nations can emit longer

[31:59] What full decarbonization to true zero by 2100 might look like

[33:12] Dr. Buck’s vision of a post-extractivist society

[34:58] Why the petrochemical industry was not inevitable and how we can make the shift to a bioeconomy

Connect with Nori

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Resources

Dr. Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change S2 Bonus

Dr. Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change EP103

After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair and Restoration by Holly Jean Buck

Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative? by Mark Fisher

S3E3: Farms for sale: what's wrong with the financialization of farmland?—w/ Dr. Madeleine Fairbairn15 Feb 202200:46:48

Farmland has transformed into a financial asset class. So, what happens when land is owned by large financial institutions? How does it impact farmer autonomy? And could it be good for fighting climate change?

Dr. Madeleine Fairbairn is Associate Professor of Environmental Studies at UC Santa Cruz and author of Fields of Gold: Financing the Global Land Rush. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Fairbairn joins Ross and guest cohost Dr. Lauren Gifford to discuss the emergence of the institutional farmland investments industry and describe how land has value independent of what it produces.

Dr. Fairbairn explores what’s behind the steep decline in the number of farmers over the last century and explains how large-scale farmland ownership could have positive consequences for the environment and negative social consequences at the same time. Listen in for Dr. Fairbairn’s insights into Georgism as a potential policy response and find out what the financialization of farmland means for the small farmer, the economy and the climate.

Key Takeaways

[1:40] How Fields of Gold explores the emergence of the institutional farmland investments industry

[5:24] What Dr. Fairbairn means by ‘the financialization of land’

[9:25] The non-linear progression from communal forms of land ownership to a more and more sophisticated commodification of land

[11:51] How land has value independent of what it produces

[13:52] What’s behind the decline in the number of farmers over the last century

[18:01] The connections between the financialization of farmland and climate (and how what we ask of farmland managers is changing)

[21:12] How large-scale farmland ownership could have positive environmental consequences and negative social consequences at the same time

[26:18] How landowners in Brazil are tasked with serving society as a whole

[30:31] How Dr. Fairbairn thinks about billionaires like Bill Gates acquiring hundreds of thousands of acres of land

[34:03] Dr. Fairbairn’s take on a Georgist land value tax as a potential policy response

[40:03] The relationship between Georgism and the politics of productivity

[42:37] What Dr. Fairbairn is learning about agri-food technology through the UC AFTeR Project she’s working on now

Resources

Dr. Fairbairn at UC Santa Cruz

Dr. Fairbairn on Twitter

Fields of Gold: Financing the Global Land Rush by Madeleine Fairbairn

Dr. Lauren Gifford

USDA Discrimination Lawsuits

‘Bill Gates: America’s Top Farmland Owner’ in The Land Report

Billionaire Wilderness: The Ultra-Wealthy and the Remaking of the American West by Justin Farrell

The Mason Gaffney Reader: Essays on Solving the ‘Unsolvable’ by Mason Gaffney

Radical Markets: Uprooting Capitalism and Democracy for a Just Society by Eric A. Posner and E. Glen Weyl

Paul Greenberg returns to discuss his new podcast, Fish Talk!10 Feb 202201:00:44

Here in America, we like stories with happy endings. Our media usually comes with a clear message and unanswered questions make us uncomfortable. But Paul Greenberg knows that there’s no simple answer to complex problems like climate change.

Paul is the award-winning food and environmental writer behind titles like The Climate Diet, American Catch, and Four Fish. On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Paul rejoins Ross to discuss his new podcast, Fish Talk, and reflect on the advantages of podcasting as a medium for open-ended storytelling around complex issues.

Paul describes the homesteading and terrace garden projects he’s working on right now, explaining why he's cautious about monetizing his hobbies and if and how a friendlier form of capitalism might support creatives. Listen in for Paul's insight on how our political system informs the way we approach both storytelling and complex challenges such as overfishing and climate change.

Key Takeaways

[2:33] The themes of environmentalism, eating and catching fish featured on Fish Talk

[7:37] Paul's take on the advantages of podcasting as a medium vs. journalism or documentary filmmaking

[12:40] How happy endings are part of the American capitalist model of storytelling (and why that won’t work for the climate crisis)

[17:03] How Paul thinks about eco-Leninism and how the role of journalism in society has changed

[21:32] Why it's so challenging for the US to reach a consensus on big issues like COVID and climate change

[25:08] How we fixed our overfishing problem in the US (and how that problem compares to the climate crisis)

[27:56] How we outsource our polluting industries to China and what might happen if the Chinese decide they want a clean environment

[29:52] The homesteading and terrace garden writing projects Paul is considering right now

[34:27] Why the idea of a deep meditation on his climate safe acre in the Adirondacks appeals to Paul

[39:37] Paul’s commitment to deprogram himself from the relentless selling he grew up with

[44:01] How a friendlier form of capitalism might support creatives

[45:23] Why Paul likes homesteaders Helen and Scott Nearing’s ideal way to organize a day

[48:42] The danger in monetizing our hobbies

[50:43] How Succession and the Monty Python films successfully critique capitalism and religion

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Resources

Paul on Medium

Paul on Reversing Climate Change S2EP61

Paul's website

The Fish Talk podcast

One Green World nursery

Monty Python’s Almost the Truth on Netflix

S3E2: A Brief History of Ethereum and web3—w/ Laura Shin, author of The Cryptopians08 Feb 202200:59:52

As listeners of Nori podcasts, you might know that we use cryptocurrency in the form of Nori tokens which may become a market-driven price for carbon removal. You also might know we issue non-fungible tokens, otherwise known as NFTs, when buyers purchase those removals. But you may not know the history of the blockchain we run on or how the system works. So, where can you go to learn Ethereum 101?

Laura Shin is a crypto journalist and host of the Unchained Podcast. A former senior editor at Forbes, Laura was the first mainstream reporter to cover the blockchain full-time. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Laura joins Ross to discuss her new book, The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed, Lies and the Making of the First Big Cryptocurrency Craze, a history of Ethereum and the ICO mania of 2017.

Laura explains why Ethereum quickly became the second most important cryptocurrency, describing how it was used to raise billions of dollars for decentralized apps and what happened when the DAO to fund slock.it was hacked. Listen in for Laura's insight around why the crypto bubble burst in early 2018, what trends have occurred since then, and why Laura believes that DAOs are the next big thing in crypto.

Key Takeaways

[1:00] How Laura’s book focuses on the story of the ICO craze

[2:02] What it’s like to write about recent history and why Laura was inspired to create a record of what happened in crypto in 2017 and 2018

[6:10] The rigorous fact-checking process Laura went through for The Cryptopians

[8:46] Why Ethereum quickly became the second most important cryptocurrency

[10:44] How the Ethereum blockchain serves as an open design space where developers can build decentralized applications

[18:03] Examples of the fastest and largest fundraising campaigns for apps through ICOs on Ethereum

[18:39] How the DAO to fund slock.it was hacked for $75M

[27:56] The ‘code is law’ debate that occurred in the aftermath of the DAO crisis

[30:00] The cultural differences between the Bitcoin and Ethereum chains

[31:08] What behaviors investors had to learn to participate in the ICO craze and why crypto founders were able to raise billions of dollars for their projects

[35:41] How ICOs compare to VC funding

[36:17] How the 2017 SEC report classifying DAO tokens as securities informed the burst of the crypto bubble in early 2018

[37:59] Why crypto prices dropped early in the pandemic and what’s happened since then

[42:48] Laura’s explanation of decentralized finance or DeFi and non-fungible tokens or NFTs

[52:16] How DAOs work to organize people in a democratic way

[55:02] Why Laura believes DAOs are the next big thing in crypto

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Resources

The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed, Lies and the Making of the First Big Cryptocurrency Craze by Laura Shin

Unchained Podcast

ConstitutionDAO

‘The Inside Story of Mt. Gox, Bitcoin’s $460M Disaster’ in WIRED

S3E1: Aldyen Donnelly on climate-crypto, COP26, and carbon accounting rules01 Feb 202200:46:04

Prior to COP26, there was a big problem in international carbon accounting. Both the country where a carbon credit was generated and the country where it was sold could count those very same credits toward their Paris climate commitments. COP26 seeks to remedy this issue with the practice of double entry bookkeeping. But is it too late? What are the unintended consequences of implementing the new rules now?

Aldyen Donnelly is a cofounder, advisor, and former Director of Carbon Economics here at Nori. She also serves as a carbon markets advisor to several organizations, including Terramerra, Inc. and the Livestock Carbon Exchange. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Aldyen joins Ross and Nori CEO Paul Gambill to discuss how the new rules will lead to export controls for carbon credits and describe how such protectionism is likely to impact developing nations.

Aldyen and Paul share their concerns around blockchain crypto projects like KlimaDAO and weigh in on why carbon removals are preferable to carbon avoidance credits. Listen in to understand why throughput might matter more than permanence and learn how the upcoming Nori token launch aims create a true price discovery mechanism for carbon that others can use.

Key Takeaways

[1:26] How COP26 adopted new rules to implement double entry bookkeeping

[4:33] How a failure to implement double entry bookkeeping in prior carbon markets led to the price crash of 2012

[8:00] Why double entry bookkeeping was blocked until now

[12:33] Paul and Aldyen’s fear that the new rules will lead to export controls around carbon credits

[17:58] How export controls will negatively impact the carbon removal industry in developing nations

[20:19] The 3-year window COP26 allows for the creation of an international carbon market oversight body (and the opportunity that gives us at Nori)

[22:29] How crypto projects like KlimaDAO perpetuate a system where carbon credits are resold more than once and the underlying value isn’t actually one tonne

[26:10] The loophole in COP26 allowing the backlog of carbon credits to be sold without double entry bookkeeping

[28:05] What differentiates carbon avoidance credits from carbon removal credits (and why large corporations don’t necessarily care)

[33:07] How Nori’s take on the fundamental constraint of carbon markets differs from that of KlimaDAO

[35:30] How Paul and Aldyen think about permanence and why It's more important to focus on throughput

[41:40] How the upcoming Nori token launch will create a price discovery mechanism for carbon

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Resources

Aldyen on Reversing Climate Change EP031

‘Cryptocurrency Traders Move into Carbon Markets’ in The Wall Street Journal

KlimaDAO

Toucan Protocol

Olympus

Careers at Nori

Will Dessert Survive the Climate Crisis?—w/ Caroline Saunders of The Sustainable Baker05 Oct 202100:37:54

Climate change is already affecting our food systems. But have you ever considered how rising temperatures might impact access to the pastries you love? What if you could no longer enjoy a croissant with your coffee in the morning? Or indulge in a slice of cake on special occasions?

Caroline Saunders is the host of the Sustainable Baker podcast, coauthor of Craft Beef, former chief-of-staff at Grist and soon-to-be student in the pastry track at Le Cordon Bleu in Paris. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Caroline joins Ross to share her interest in developing sustainable recipes and explain how her career path reflects her passions for climate and dessert.

Caroline describes her concerns around climate change and the future of dessert, discussing what spices are at risk and how we can help grains adapt to rising temperatures. Listen in for Caroline’s insight on what it looks like to bake without dairy and find out how to make your favorite desserts more sustainably!

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Resources

The Sustainable Baker

The Sustainable Baker on Instagram

Craft Beef: A Revolution of Small Farms and Big Flavors by Joe Heitzeberg, Ethan Lowry and Caroline Saunders

IPCC Reports

J. Kenji Lopez-Alt on Instagram

Books by Ruth Reichl

Le Cordon Bleu

Culinary Institute of America

Nancy Silverton on Chef’s Table

Paul Hollywood

The Great British Bake Off

The Land Institute

The Land Institute on Reversing Climate Change EP062

The Bread Lab

Fran Costigan

Lennox Hastie on Chef’s Table BBQ

Books by Anne Byrn

326: Confronting Our Shadow: Jung, The Vietnam War, & Climate Change—w/ Karl Marlantes, author30 May 202401:12:30

What is it like to go to war? What does the experience have to teach us, and could it in any way be a spiritual endeavor? What does the Temple of Mars have to teach us in a climate-changing world?

Karl Marlantes is a Rhodes Scholar who put aside graduate studies at Oxford University to lead a Marine rifle platoon in Vietnam in 1968. He is featured extensively in the Ken Burns/Lynn Novick documentary series, The Vietnam War. His memoir, What It Is Like to Go to War, and novel, Matterhorn, address what we ask our nation’s young warriors to do from within a cultural environment that denies the multifaceted truth of what it means to be a warrior. His recent novels Deep River and Cold Victory address big questions of agency and what it means to recognize oneself as a historical actor.

Is combat terrifying? Exhilarating? Mystical? Carnal? Is it everything all at once? If we only acknowledge the experience as negative, how might that cause repression and misunderstanding in a world unlikely to leave war behind permanently?

If climate change is not successfully addressed as soon as possible, the geopolitical situation may become more rivalrous and difficult. We need to understand the nature of war, of our relationship to our shadow, in order to chart an honest course to a better future.

Resources

Ken Burns & Lynn Novick's The Vietnam War series

Karl Marlantes' books:

- Matterhorn

- What It Is Like to Go to War

- Deep River

- Cold Victory

Carl Jung

Jungian archetypes

The shadow in psychoanalysis

Leo Tolstoy

Cincinnatus

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The Road to COP26— w/ Brock Benefiel of The Climate Pod17 Aug 202100:13:58

The climate crisis will be on the world stage once again in November 2021, as the UN Climate Change Conference of the Parties known as COP26 convenes in Glasgow. The summit brings together 200-plus countries to tackle climate change, and it is billed as the most significant climate event since the Paris Agreement was adopted in 2015 at COP21.

So, how can you learn more about what’s happening at COP26 and why it’s important?

Brock Benefiel is the cohost of The Climate Pod, a podcast that covers the latest news on the climate crisis. On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Brock joins Ross to discuss the special focus of the show’s new series, Road to COP26, giving us a preview of the scientists, policymakers, and activists Brock and his brother Ty are highlighting in the weeks to come.

Brock offers insight into what we need to accomplish at COP26, describing what success looks like and why achieving it is such a monumental challenge. Listen in as Brock shares some of his favorite episodes of The Climate Pod to date and find out why it’s crucial to engage in meaningful conversations about the climate crisis.


This episode is part of a partnership with The Climate Pod. 

Reach out to hello@nori.com if you or your podcast are interested in collaboration efforts that fuel climate action.


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Resources

The Climate Pod

The Climate Pod on YouTube

COP26

The IPCC Sixth Assessment Report

The Paris Agreement

Greta Thunberg’s 2019 Speech to the UN

UK MP David Lammy on The Climate Pod

Dr. Ed Hawkins on The Climate Pod

David Wallace-Wells on The Climate Pod

Governor Jay Inslee on The Climate Pod

Bill Nye on The Climate Pod

Solutions: The Climate Change Board Game—w/ Samuel Levac-Levey, Founder and Game Designer10 Aug 202100:30:34

Most efforts to educate the public around climate change are pretty dour and leave people feeling hopeless and helpless. But there are things an individual or small group can do to have a meaningful impact on the climate. And now, there’s a board game that teaches people about the most effective climate solutions and gives them the agency to take action.

Samuel Levac-Levey is the Founder and Game Designer behind Solutions, a collaborative board game designed to inspire hope and action on the climate crisis. On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Sam joins Ross and guest host Christi Taylor, Marketing Coordinator at Nori, to explain how the book Drawdown informed the creation of the game and describe how it serves as a starting point for real-world climate action.

Sam walks us through the mechanics of the game, discussing how it’s being tested both in schools and with a general audience. Listen in to understand how Solutions exposes players to job opportunities in the climate space and learn how you can support Sam’s project and play Solutions yourself by contributing to his Kickstarter campaign before it closes on August 17th.

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Resources

Solutions: The Game on Kickstarter 

Solutions: The Game

Drawdown: The Most Comprehensive Plan Ever Proposed to Reverse Global Warming edited by Paul Hawken 

Drawdown Conference

Henk Rogers

Sid Meier’s Civilization

Will Wright’s The Sims

Climate Science 

Green Teacher

Work on Climate

Climate Designers

Moore’s Law

The 3.5% Rule

S2E74: Sanitation and EJ concerns grow with climate change—w/ Catherine Coleman Flowers, MacArthur Genius03 Aug 202100:38:49

Do you take having a working sanitation system for granted?

What if you didn’t have access to a public wastewater treatment plant? What if you lived with sewage running back into your home? And what if your failing septic system made YOU a criminal?

MacArthur Fellow Catherine Coleman Flowers is the founder of The Center for Rural Enterprise and Environmental Justice (CREEJ) and author of Waste: One Woman’s Fight Against America’s Dirty Secret. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Catherine joins Ross to discuss the neglect of water and wastewater infrastructure in rural America, explaining why septic systems are failing and how that impacts public health.

Catherine offers insight on the disparities in access to sanitation for poor rural communities and people of color, describing how corrupt government officials and bad policy can contribute to the inequity. Listen in for Catherine’s advice on collaborating with people who don’t necessarily share your values and find out what CREEJ is doing to design a solution that will allow people to treat wastewater affordably—wherever they are.

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The Center for Rural Enterprise and Environmental Justice

Waste: One Woman’s Fight Against America’s Dirty Secret by Catherine Coleman Flowers

CREEJ & The Guardian’s Sanitation Self-Report Form

Catherine on Twitter

Catherine on Facebook

Catherine on Instagram

American Society of Civil Engineering Report Card for America’s Infrastructure

Lowndes Interpretive Center

President Biden’s Climate Task Force

White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council

Pamela Rush

Freedom, Mayhem, and the Uncertain Future of Revel’s Mopeds—w/ Kate Knibbs, Senior Writer at WIRED27 Jul 202100:34:18

If you don’t have access to public transportation or you’re looking for a climate-friendly alternative to Uber, then you may have considered renting one of Revel’s electric mopeds. But do micromobility companies like this actually make money? And how should micromobility fit into the larger ecosystem of getting from point A to point B?

Kate Knibbs is a Senior Writer at WIRED and the author of ‘Freedom, Mayhem, and the Uncertain Future of Revel’s Mopeds.’ On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Kate joins Ross and guest host Radhika Moolgavkar, Head of Supply and Methodology at Nori, to discuss micromobility, describing how mopeds and e-bikes should be a complement to mass transit—not the dominant form of getting around.

She offers insight on the potential profitability of a company like Revel, explaining how positioning itself as an electric vehicle company increases its chances of success and why safety issues are its greatest existential threat. Listen in to understand the role of subsidies in making micromobility ventures work and learn how Kate thinks about when to choose public transit, train travel, auto ownership, rideshare, or micromobility options.

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Kate at WIRED

Kate on Twitter

Kate on Reversing Climate Change S2EP12

‘Freedom, Mayhem, and the Future of Revel’s Mopeds’ in WIRED

Revel

Lime Micromobility

The Drivers Cooperative

Books by Paul Theroux

‘Farewell, Millennial Lifestyle Subsidy’ in The New York Times

S2E73: The challenges of being a chef/restauranteur in climate change—w/ Renee Erickson of Sea Creatures20 Jul 202100:42:29

Are you missing the experience of eating out at a restaurant? Or maybe you’re itching to travel and revisit the food traditions of the places you love? What if you could recreate these experiences at home, using simple recipes to embark on a culinary journey around the world?

Renee Erickson is the James Beard Award-winning chef behind several popular Seattle restaurants including The Walrus and the Carpenter, The Whale Wins, and Bateau. She is also the author of the critically-acclaimed cookbook A Boat, a Whale & a Walrus: Menus and Stories. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Renee joins Ross and Radhika to discuss her latest release, Getaway: Food and Drink to Transport You, sharing what inspired her to design a cookbook around her favorite places.

Renee weighs in on why eating locally and seasonally is not just better for the climate but better for us, explaining her decisions-making around what fish to buy for her restaurants and how to avoid wasting beef. Listen in for Renee’s insight on making good food more accessible and get her top recommendations on places to eat out in Seattle as the world reopens post-pandemic!

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Chef Renee Erickson

Getaway: Food & Drink to Transport You by Renee Erickson

A Boat, a Whale & a Walrus: Menus and Stories by Renee Erickson

Sea Creatures

The Walrus and the Carpenter

Bateau

Tulalip Reservation

Bristol Bay

Drifters Fish

Six Seasons: A New Way with Vegetables by Joshua McFadden

Green Plate Special

Musang

The Harvest Vine

Café Lago

Delancey

Local Tide

Gracia

Rachel’s Bagels

Saint Bread

Books by Dominique Crenn

Meesha

‘Three Seattle Chefs on the Challenges of Opening a Restaurant in 2020’ in Crosscut

S2E72: NFTs, carbon removal, & the music biz—w/ Imogen Heap, Grammy-winning artist13 Jul 202100:45:32

Data in the music industry is incredibly fragmented. There is no one consistent place to go for information about a work. It’s hard to know where songs are being played or who was involved in creating a piece of music. And this means that a lot of artists don’t get royalties for their work.

What if blockchain technology is the answer?

Imogen Heap is the Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter and record producer behind The Creative Passport, an identity management platform for music makers that runs on the blockchain. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Imogen joins Ross, Paul, and Evangeline to explain how the music industry’s challenges around crediting and payment inspired her interest in the blockchain space.

She weighs in on why she launched a collection of non-fungible tokens (NFTs) to raise funds for The Creative Passport and how she devoted a portion of the proceeds to Nori to offset the carbon emissions associated with minting those NFTs. Listen in for Imogen’s vision of a more diverse commercial music industry where artists are empowered to host their own data and share it with others on the blockchain.

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Imogen’s App

The Creative Passport

Vinay Gupta at MATTEREUM

Vinay Gupta’s Hexayurt Project

MYCELIA

Endlesss

Don Diablo

OpenSea

Cargo

arweave

Paul’s Post on Removing Carbon Emissions from NFTs

Kelly Garrett on Twitter

S2E71: Elon Musk's Carbon Removal XPRIZE—w/ Dr. Marcius Extavour, VP Energy & Climate at XPRIZE06 Jul 202100:58:40

Big-ticket investments in carbon removal innovation are newsworthy, but perhaps nothing captures the public imagination quite like a cash prize. And the $100M purse associated with XPRIZE Carbon Removal happens to be the largest in history. So, how does an award of this magnitude translate to meaningful climate solutions?

Dr. Marcius Extavour is the Vice President of Energy and Climate at XPRIZE, a nonprofit using large-scale global competitions to crowdsource solutions to the world’s greatest challenges. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Extavour joins Ross to discuss XPRIZE Carbon Removal, explaining how Elon Musk got involved in funding the $100M prize purse and what it takes to win the $50M grand prize.

He describes how winning an XPRIZE gives a project momentum, offering insight on how the prize model complements traditional investments and sharing historic examples of awards that led to technological breakthroughs. Listen in for Dr. Extavour’s call to maintain a collaborative spirit in the carbon removal space as it evolves and find out how you can get involved in XPRIZE Carbon Removal.

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XPRIZE Foundation

XPRIZE Carbon Removal Overview

XPRIZE Carbon Removal Guidelines

Email carbonremoval@xprize.org

CarbonCure on Reversing Climate Change S2EP16

Carbon Upcycling on Reversing Climate Change S2EP60

CarbonBuilt

Longitude: The True Story of a Lone Genius Who Solved the Greatest Scientific Problem of His Time by Dava Sobel

The Orteig Prize

Dr. Extavour’s Keynote at the 2021 AirMiners Conference

Climeworks

Carbon Engineering

Global Thermostat

Charm Industrial

Pachama

AirMiners Launchpad

S2E70: What scares a wizard?—w/ Teresa Carey, journalist at Freethink29 Jun 202100:55:25

Should we genetically engineer carbon-hungry trees? Can metal-eating trees clean up abandoned mines? Does seaweed have the potential to save the planet? While these ideas might seem outlandish, they are all examples of actual solutions to our environmental issues people are working on right now.

Teresa Carey is a senior staff writer at Freethink, a platform that features the passionate innovators working to solve humanity’s greatest challenges. Prior to becoming a journalist, Teresa was a professional mariner and USCG licensed captain. On this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Teresa joins Ross to discuss the outside-the-box solutions to climate change she has written about, sharing her particular interest in covering the environment, genetics, climate technology, and carbon removal.

She explains how innovators are genetically engineering trees to suck more CO2 out of the atmosphere, offering her take on the debate around GMOs and the impact hybrid breeding might have on local ecosystems. Listen in for Teresa’s insight on the potential dangers of consumer genetic tests and find out what she learned about the process of sequestering carbon in seaweed to generate carbon offsets.

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Teresa on Freethink

John Kretschmer on Reversing Climate Change S2EP33

‘Metal Eating Trees Could Clean Up Abandoned Mines’ in Freethink

‘A Seaweed Diet Could Eliminate Most of Cows’ Greenhouse Emissions’ in Freethink

‘Can Seaweed Save the Planet?’ in Freethink

‘Autonomous Trash-Eating Boats Clean Up Water Pollution’ in Freethink

Project Vesta on Reversing Climate Change S2EP23

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‘Should We Genetically Engineer Carbon-Hungry Trees?’ in Freethink

Paul Greenberg on Reversing Climate Change S2EP61

The Salk Institute’s Harnessing Plants Initiative

‘First Study of All Amazon Greenhouse Gases Suggests the Damaged Forest Is Now Worsening Climate Change’ in National Geographic

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Why CEOs should support climatetech startups—w/ Nicole Systrom, Sutro Energy Group24 Jun 202100:22:26

For large, established companies to be sustainable long term, they need to consider how a changing climate will impact what they do. CEOs have got to ask how their businesses can be resilient in the face of climate change and what they can do to help mitigate it.

Nicole Systrom is the Founder of Sutro Energy Group, a consultancy working to scale high-impact climate solutions. On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nicole joins guest host Alexsandra Guerra to discuss her recent World Economic Forum article, ‘3 Ways CEOs Can Tackle Climate Change and Build a Net-Zero Economy.’

She explains why large, established companies should lend their political capital to climate tech startups and makes the case that every business should make net-zero a part of their business strategy. Listen in for Nicole’s insight on giving innovators a voice in policy creation and learn how large corporations, legislators and climate tech startups can work together to build a net-zero economy.

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‘3 Ways CEOs Can Tackle Climate Change and Build a Net-Zero Economy’ by Nicole Systrom

Sutro Energy Group

45Q Tax Credit

Microsoft’s Climate Innovation Fund

S2E69: Mark Bittman on the political economy of junk food22 Jun 202100:41:22

60% of the calories in our food supply are alleged to be ultra-processed junk. So, when did we lose our way? When did we go from growing food to feed our communities to growing food for profit? And how do we find our way back to a just food system—and society?

Mark Bittman is a former New York Times columnist and bestselling author of 30-plus books, including the well-known How to Cook Everything series. His new release is called Animal, Vegetable, Junk: A History of Food, from Sustainable to Suicidal. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Mark joins Ross and Radkhika to explain how the food system shaped our history and vice versa, describing how the Enclosure Movement may have turned food into a profit-making political tool and created the health crisis we’re facing.

He weighs in on why educating kids about good food is the first step in creating a just food system and advocates for subsidies to support getting good food to more people. Listen in for Mark’s perspective on investing federal dollars in regenerative agriculture and learn how he thinks about making the phrase ‘land reform’ common in our political discourse.

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Animal, Vegetable, Junk: A History of Food, from Sustainable to Suicidal by Mark Bittman

How to Cook Everything: Simple Recipes for Great Food by Mark Bittman

Jared Diamond

Land Enclosure

Books by James C. Scott

Fast Food Nation: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal by Eric Schlosser

Supersize Me

Books by Will Durant

Books by Marion Nestle

Renewable Fuel Standard Program

Joel Salatin at Polyface Farms

Full Belly Farm

The Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals by Michael Pollan

325: Literally Redoing the Oregon Trail: An Eccentric Environmental History—w/ Rinker Buck, author and adventurer23 May 202401:07:08

If you're going to write about the Oregon Trail or the Mississippi flatboat era, why not go gonzo? Does it make for better history or just better bar stories? What can you really learn about change by recreating epic journeys in contemporary times, and what can that teach us about how we live upon this planet?

Today, adventurer and author Rinker Buck is on the show to discuss his odysseys. In particular, his flatboat ride from Pittsburgh to New Orleans, and his mulecart passage of the entire Oregon Trail. If you're gasping reading that last sentence, you need to read his books.

Obviously, these landscapes have massively changed over the centuries, and their environmental history reflects human wants and desires, some good and others less so. How are they shadows of their former selves, which could you not tell which century you're currently in, and which are making beautiful comebacks? What does it teach us about the country so many of our listeners call home? How does the American experience prepare or fail to prepare us for a climate-changed world?

Rinker discusses his particular approach to participatory history, why he doesn't like reenactment as a paradigm, and why he bothers with the Heraclean effort for which some might deem him a "conquistador of the useless."

Tune in and learn from Rinker's hard-earned experience and observations!

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Rinker's website

The Oregon Trail: A New American Journey

Life on the Mississippi: An Epic American Adventure

Flight of Passage: A Memoir

1883

Women's Diaries of the Westward Journey by Lillian Schlissel

Frederick Turner's Frontier Thesis

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Replacing plastic with captured carbon: an update from Mark Herrema of Newlight Technologies17 Jun 202100:30:46

Since its founding in 2003, Newlight Technologies’ goal has been to create consumer-driven solutions to reducing carbon in the air. And while that intention has not changed, the Newlight team’s approach has evolved as they consider how to achieve the greatest impact.

Mark Herrema is the cofounder and CEO of Newlight, an advanced biotechnology company using greenhouse gas to produce sustainable materials and replacements for plastic. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Mark joins Ross and cohost Radkhika Moolgavkar, Head of Supply and Methodology at Nori, to discuss what Newlight has been up to since his last appearance on the podcast, explaining how they brought a new plant online in 2019 and why the team chose foodware and fashion as its first two consumer foci.

Mark shares an overview of the AirCarbon production process, addressing where Newlight’s greenhouse gas feedstocks come from and how Newlight uses the blockchain to track the carbon footprint of its products. Listen in to understand how Mark’s thinking around carbon markets has shifted, why it took two years to get Newlight’s methodology approved, and what marketplaces need to change to make the space more attractive to other ambitious entrepreneurs.

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Newlight Technologies

Restore Foodware

Covalent Fashion

Mark Herrema on Reversing Climate Change S1E14

Newlight’s work with IBM

Verra

Newlight’s Methodology for Greenhouse Gas Capture and Utilization in Plastic Materials

ISO 14067 Carbon Footprint of Products

ISO 14044 Life Cycle Assessment

S2EP68: What would happen if our rivers ran wild?—w/ Tyler J. Kelley, author of Holding Back the River15 Jun 202100:57:50

Since the first levee was built in New Orleans in 1717, we have been trying to manage America’s rivers. But now our infrastructure is failing. And if we don’t compromise on a plan to restore (or strategically remove) our dams, levees, and locks and give our waterways more space, flooding events will continue to devastate entire communities over and over again.

Tyler J. Kelley is a journalist whose work has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The New Yorker, among many other national publications. His first book, Holding Back the River: The Struggle Against Nature on America’s Waterways, was published in April 2021. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Tyler joins Ross to explain why riverboat traffic is still important to the US economy, moving more than 1,000 semi-trucks’ worth of vital commodities daily.

Tyler discusses the extensive work we’ve done to manage rivers in the US, describing how much land would be unlivable without levees and why the risks of flooding will only increase with climate change. Listen in for Tyler’s insight on the Dutch Delta Works project to give land back to the rivers and fortify existing infrastructure and learn how we might create a similar comprehensive flood control plan to protect communities here in the US.

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Holding Back the River: The Struggle Against Nature on America’s Waterways by Tyler J. Kelley

Tyler’s Website

‘The Fight to Tame a Swelling River with Dams That May Be Outmatched by Climate Change’ in The New York Times

Elizabeth Kolbert on Reversing Climate Change S2EP50

Under a White Sky: The Nature of the Future by Elizabeth Kolbert

Levee Wars on Sny Island

Rebuild Pinhook

S2E67: The Carbon Takeback Obligation & carbon removal—w/ Margriet Kuijper08 Jun 202100:48:29

What would happen if businesses were expected or even required to store a tonne of carbon for every tonne of carbon they produce? A Carbon Takeback Obligation is a policy framework that aims to make that the new standard. Today we learn more about how such a system might operate.

Margriet Kuijper is a former civil engineer for Shell, where she focused on the development of carbon capture and storage projects. Today, she serves as an independent consultant working on a Carbon Takeback Obligation, otherwise known as CTBO. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Margriet joins Ross to share the simple idea behind a Carbon Takeback Obligation and explain how it addresses the common concerns associated with oil and gas carbon capture projects.

Margriet discusses how CTBO makes polluters pay to clean up their emissions and describes how CTBO policy could work in tandem with a carbon tax or emissions trading system, incentivizing both emitters and producers to find solutions together. Listen in to understand Margriet’s take on the role of offsets under CTBO and in a net-zero world, and learn how businesses would benefit from the long-term policy certainty of a Carbon Takeback Obligation.

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Carbon Takeback website

Carbon Takeback Obligation: A Producer’s Responsibility Scheme on the Way to a Climate Neutral Energy System  

Myles Allen TED Talk

Clean Air Task Force

The Paris Agreement

IPCC

International Energy Agency

Eli Mitchell-Larson on Reversing Climate Change S2EP62

Myles Allen

EU Emissions Trading System

Europe’s Extended Producer Responsibility Policy

Making Climate Policy Work by Danny Cullenward and David G. Victor

S2E65: How to start learning about carbon removal—w/ John Sanchez of Carbon Removal Academy25 May 202100:54:50

So, you’re interested in carbon removal and curious about working in the climate space. But you’re not sure how your skills might apply, and you don’t know where to begin learning about the different types of carbon sequestration or the major players in the industry.

John Sanchez is the Founder and Curriculum Designer at Carbon Removal Academy and the Co-Creator of the AirMiners Boot Up Program and Problem Pack Climate Sprint Workgroups. He is also building Carbon Visions, a community of college students working on carbon removal solutions. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, John joins Ross to explain how these experiences facilitate the exploration process for transitioning into the climate space.

John shares his take on what makes a climate community valuable and discusses the debate around ecological versus industrial sequestration. Listen in to understand how John’s love of literature informs his work in carbon removal and learn how his experiences can help YOU uncover your climate affinity and then apply your skills to reversing climate change.

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John’s Travels in Carbon Removal Newsletter

John’s Carbon Visions Slack Community

Carbon Removal Academy

AirMiners

AirMiners Boot Up Program

Problem Pack Climate Sprints

Biochar & Sawmills Problem Pack Report

Work on Climate

My Climate Journey

Climatebase

Evan Hynes of Climatebase on Reversing Climate Change

Carbon Visions

CDR Primer

World Resources Institute’s Post on Regenerative Ag

The Soil Scientists’ Response Letter to WRI

Tito Jankowski on YouTube

Literature & History Podcast

S2E64: How to Be Animal: a guide for confused humans—w/ Melanie Challenger, author18 May 202101:02:18

The narrative of human exceptionalism posits that there is something unique about being human that makes us more valuable. And we believe that what matters most are the things that seem to separate us from animals—like our ability to reason or the immortal human soul. But what if you can’t separate the animal part of us from our spirit? What if being human IS being animal?

Melanie Challenger is a writer of environmental history, podcast host of Enter the Psychosphere, and author of the new release, How to Be Animal: A New History of What It Means to Be Human. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Melanie joins Ross to share her argument against substance dualism, explaining why we can’t separate the idea of being human from that of being animal.

Melanie offers insight on how we can ‘become animal’ without reverting to amoral, self-serving behaviors and why she sees the simple, clean messaging around environmental issues as being problematic. Listen in to understand Melanie’s take on the human battle with mortality and learn to accept that life is finite but not fear death.

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Melanie Challenger’s website

Enter the Psychosphere Podcast

How to Be Animal: A New History of What It Means to Be Human by Melanie Challenger

On Extinction: How We Became Estranged from Nature by Melanie Challenger

Paul Kingsnorth on Reversing Climate Change S2EP53

George Monbiot

Caspar Henderson

Thomas Aquinas’ Philosophy of Angelology

The Biological Mind: How Brain, Body and Environment Collaborate to Make Us Who We Are by Alan Jasanoff

Sam Harris

Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning by Timothy Snyder

Alan Watts Organization

Grounded: A Fierce, Feminine Guide to Connecting with the Soil—w/ Dr. Erin Yu-Juin McMorrow, author13 May 202100:54:40

Are we out of balance? Some thinkers pose that the scales have tipped toward industry, ego, and individuality, and we’re disconnected from the cycles of nature. We’re all Yang and no Yin. And this imbalance is causing climate change. So, what can we do to restore our sense of interconnectedness among all living things? How can tapping into our spirituality help us heal ourselves and the earth?

Dr. Erin Yu-Juin McMorrow is the author of Grounded: A Fierce, Feminine Guide to Connecting with the Soil and Healing from the Ground Up. She is also a founding member of Kiss the Ground, a nonprofit dedicated to awakening people to the possibilities of regeneration. On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. McMorrow joins guest host and Nori cofounder Alexsandra Guerra to share her mother metaphor for the soil, describing how she sees the Yin as the feminine energy of regeneration and why western society struggles with birth and death—the primary portals of transformation.

Dr. McMorrow explores how our desire to DO disregards the spiritual aspect of climate change, discussing the individual and collective healing we must do to activate our soul voice and reconnect with each other and the earth. Listen in to understand the relationship between the empowerment of women and soil health and learn Dr. McMorrow’s simple practices for connecting with spirit and bringing our natural systems back into balance.

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Grounded: A Fierce, Feminine Guide to Connecting with the Soil and Healing from the Ground Up by Erin Yu-Juin McMorrow, PhD

Dr. McMorrow’s Website

Kiss the Ground

Ryland Engelhart

Graeme Sait’s 2013 TED Talk

YogaWorks

Katharine Wilkinson’s 2018 TED Talk

Lindsay Mack

How to Do the Work: Recognize Your Patterns, Heal Your Past, and Create Your Self by Dr. Nicole LePera

Soul

The Eagle and the Condor

Zach Bush, MD

HeartMath

S2E63: Carbon removal in the Biden Administration—w/ Dr. Jan Mazurek, ClimateWorks Foundation11 May 202100:51:56

In order to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement, we can’t just reduce emissions. We have no choice but to add carbon dioxide removal (CDR) to the mix to keep global temperature rise under 2°C. So, what CO2 removal processes are in development? And what are governments and nonprofits doing to advocate for and fund carbon removal?

Dr. Jan Mazurek serves as Senior Director at the ClimateWorks Foundation, where she leads the Carbon Dioxide Removal Fund. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Mazurek joins Ross to discuss what the Biden administration is doing to make ‘historic strides on climate’ and explain what carbon removal measures are left out of the Biden-Harris climate agenda.

Dr. Mazurek explores why it’s politically beneficial to lead with rural resilience and job opportunities as opposed to carbon removal, describing how ClimateWorks grantees partner with unions to garner support for DAC. Listen in for Dr. Mazurek’s insight on the challenges associated with carbon pricing and find out why it’s crucial to engage front line communities in the discussion around carbon removal.

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ClimateWorks Foundation

The CDR Program at ClimateWorks

Noah Deich & Giana Amador on RCC EP017

Dr. Julio Friedmann on RCC EP016

Giana Amador’s Blog on the Biden Budget

American Jobs Plan

National Academy of Sciences Workshop on Ocean CDR

SEA FUEL Act

ClimateWorks’ Video on Ocean Alkalinity Enhancement

Stripe Climate

Rhodium Group’s Study on Job Opportunities in DAC

Energy Futures Initiative

Carbon180

Tracy Johns at the Climate and Land Use Alliance

REDD+

S2E62: The Oxford Offsetting Principles & carbon removal—w/ Eli Mitchell-Larson04 May 202101:04:37

Many corporations, organizations, and governments have made net zero commitments, and most are leaning on voluntary carbon offsetting to achieve these climate goals. But how can we be sure that such carbon offsets demonstrate a real change in the atmosphere? And how can we approach offsetting in a way that gives rise to an actual net zero society?

Eli Mitchell-Larson is a climate researcher and PhD candidate at the University of Oxford and the corresponding author of The Oxford Principles for Net Zero Aligned Carbon Offsetting. He also serves as an advisor to Carbon Direct and is helping build a new carbon removal advocacy organization in Europe. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Eli joins Ross to walk us through Oxford’s four principles, explaining why the guidelines prioritize decarbonizing first and then negating emissions.

Eli describes why he advocates for a shift to carbon removal offsetting and long-lived storage, discussing why he believes nature-based solutions are crucial—but may not be appropriate for carbon markets. Listen in to understand the argument of why companies must support the development of net zero aligned offsetting (and what that might look like) and learn how you can get involved in Eli’s burgeoning advocacy organization that serves as a champion for carbon removal.

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The Oxford Principles for Net Zero Aligned Carbon Offsetting 2020

‘Prosets: Making Continued Use of Fossil Fuels Compatible with a Credible Transition to Net Zero’ on Research Square

Eli Mitchell-Larson on Twitter

Carbon Direct

CDR Advocacy Europe

CDR Advocacy’s Open Executive Director Role

Carbon Takeback Obligation

George Monbiot’s 2006 Article on Carbon Offsets

United Nations Race to Zero Campaign

Silvia Terra

The Blue Carbon Initiative

Carbon180

Carbon Dioxide Removal Primer

324: My Octopus Teacher: How Rewilding Ourselves Could Heal the Planet—w/ Craig Foster, Oscar Winner and Author of Amphibious Soul09 May 202400:54:16

When the world feels increasingly tame, what does it mean to reclaim our wildness? Can we appreciate the benefits of industrial civilization while connecting with our evolutionary roots? Can we get ourselves back to the garden?

In this poignant conversation, Academy Award-winning filmmaker Craig Foster shares insights from his experiences diving in the Great African Sea Forest and the inspiration behind his new book, Amphibious Soul: Finding the Wild in a Tame World.

Host and Nori Co-Founder Ross Kenyon asks Craig some unanswered questions he has about My Octopus Teacher, the experience of fame from winning the 2021 Best Documentary Feature Oscar, whether evolution has prepared us for fame, and Craig's adjustment back to civilian life.

Craig discusses the profound lessons learned from marine life, emphasizing the importance of a deep connection with nature and the critical role biodiversity plays in the survival of our planet.

Ross and Craig discuss their various stories of interspecies communication and what it means to build a thread to a species and learn their language. They explore themes of kinship with nature, the significance of tracking as an ancient fundamental language, and the transformative power of cold water immersion. Plunge for the planet!

The discussion also touches on Craig's marine conservation efforts through the Sea Change Project and introduces a unique multimedia aspect of his book that aims to enhance readers' connection to nature.

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Sea Change Project

My Octopus Teacher

Amphibious Soul: Finding the Wild in a Tame World

James C. Scott's anthropology

Wim Hof

S2E61: Paul Greenberg on The Climate Diet: 50 Simple Ways to Trim Your Carbon Footprint27 Apr 202101:01:07

There’s a lot of advice on how reduce your carbon footprint. But everything seems to come with a caveat. You can stop eating meat, but do synthetic meats require monoculture? You can boycott Bitcoin, but would that make the grid itself any cleaner? You can drive an electric car, but its battery is made with rare minerals. So, how do you make choices that really move the needle?

Paul Greenberg is the fisherman and bestselling author behind Four Fish, American Catch, and The Omega Principle. His latest book is called The Climate Diet: 50 Simple Ways to Trim Your Carbon Footprint. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Paul joins Ross to explain what we can do to support sustainable fisheries and why we should be ‘picky plant eaters.’

Paul challenges us to be mindful of how many children we add to the planet and shares his argument against building infrastructure that gets us ‘back to normal’ after the pandemic. Listen in for Paul’s insight on electrical versus gas appliances and learn how The Climate Diet can help you make conscious choices in a spirit of kindness to the environment.

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Paul’s Website

Seaspiracy

What a Fish Knows: The Inner Lives of Our Underwater Cousins by Jonathan Balcombe

‘The Wrong Mine for the Wrong Place’ in The New York Times

Gidon Eshel

‘The Plant Prescription’ in Eating Well

Goodbye Phone, Hello World: 60 Ways to Disconnect from Tech and Reconnect to Joy by Paul Greenberg

How to Break Up with Your Phone by Catherine Price

Empty Planet on Reversing Climate Change EP105

‘Has the Pandemic Transformed the Office Forever?’ in The New Yorker

Carl Safina

‘We Don’t Need More Life-Crushing Steel and Concrete’ in The New York Times

Natural Resource Defense Council

Farhad Manjoo

S2E60: Art out of thin (carbontech) air—w/ Madison Savilow of Carbon Upcycling & Expedition Air20 Apr 202100:47:57

Art has a unique ability to explain complex, oft-emotional topics in an understandable way. And that’s why Carbon Upcycling Technologies (CUT) is engaging with visual artists to educate the general public about carbontech. CUT offers their artist-collaborators free materials and tech support, encouraging the use of CO2-derived materials to create pieces that ‘showcase the carbon capture and utilization industry.’

Madison Savilow is the Chief of Staff at Carbon Upcycling Technologies and Venture Lead of CUT’s new consumer brand, Expedition Air. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Madison joins Ross to discuss the technology Carbon Upcycling uses to create solid materials like concrete, plastics, and consumer products out of CO2 and share her take on the tradeoffs associated with working with some of the largest players in the energy sector.

Madison explains what inspired CUT to launch Expedition Air, describing how a consumer brand helps educate the general public about carbontech and what other companies in the space are following suit. Listen in for insight into Expedition Air’s collaboration with artists Annalee Levin and Luis Merchan and learn how Madison and her team are using visual art to market carbontech.

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Expedition Air

Expedition Air on LinkedIn

Expedition Air Artist Collaborations

Expedition Air Artist in Residence Program

Carbon Upcycling

Annalee Levin on Reversing Climate Change S2EP52

Carbon XPRIZE

Apoorv Sinha on Reversing Climate Change EP078

Rob Niven on Reversing Climate Change S2EP16

Clean CO2

Aether Diamonds

Air Company

Newlight Technologies on Reversing Climate Change EP014

Covalent

Captured Carbon Studio

Rebuilding trust in a polarized world—Dr. Kevin Vallier, philosopher at Bowling Green State University16 Apr 202101:03:50

According to the NOMINATE Index, the last time the US was this polarized was just before and during the Civil War. So, how did we get here? And what can the philosophy of public reason liberalism teach us about living together—even when we don’t agree on much?

Dr. Kevin Vallier is an Associate Professor of Philosophy at Bowling Green University and author of Trust in a Polarized Age and Must Politics Be War? Restoring Trust in the Open Society. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Vallier joins Ross to discuss the doom loop between falling distrust and growing polarization and address how we can learn to disagree in more a productive way.

Dr. Vallier explains liberalism in general and public reason liberalism specifically, describing how we might build a shared doctrine that appeals to multiple reasonable perspectives. Listen in for Dr. Vallier’s public reason argument for restricting carbon emissions and learn what we can do to rebuild trust in our institutions and each other.

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Books by Kevin Vallier

Trust in a Polarized Age by Kevin Vallier

Must Politics Be War? Restoring Our Trust in a Polarized Age by Kevin Vallier

Nolan McCarty on Google Scholar

Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation and Radicalization in American Politics by Yochal Benkler, Robert Faris and Hal Roberts

So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed by Jon Ronson

John Rawls

Jerry Gaus

A Theory of Justice by John Rawls

Political Liberalism by John Rawls

Public Reason Liberalism

S2E59: Is endless growth Crazy Town?—w/ Dr. Jason Bradford of the Post Carbon Institute13 Apr 202101:12:04

Empires rise and fall. And while we understand these cycles conceptually, there’s a bizarre notion that we are somehow immune. That we can continue to evolve toward greater ease and material abundance generation after generation. That our potential for growth is somehow unlimited. But natural resources are finite. So, what happens when we run out?

Dr. Jason Bradford is the Cofounder of Farmland LP and Cohost of Crazy Town, a podcast produced by the Post Carbon Institute that explores “climate change, overshoot, and runaway capitalism”. He is also the author of The Future Is Rural: Food System Adaptations to the Great Simplification. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Bradford joins Ross to explain what differentiates ecological economics from other schools of thought and why some resources are simply too valuable to price.

Dr. Bradford shares his prediction regarding a great simplification of civilization, describing his vision of a future where we might still enjoy modern conveniences but at a very different scale. Listen in to understand why we he thinks we can’t ‘artificial ecosystem’ our way on to other planets, why industrial carbon capture is a bad idea, and how we might build a lower-complexity society that is sustainable for the long term.

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Crazy Town podcast

The Future Is Rural: Food System Adaptations to the Great Simplification by Jason Bradford

Farmland LP

Post Carbon Institute

Tom Murphy’s Do the Math Blog on Economic Growth

Enough Is Enough: Building a Sustainable Economy in a World of Finite Resources by Rob Dietz and Dan O’Neill

Paul Kingsnorth on Reversing Climate Change S2EP53

Ted Nordhaus on Reversing Climate Change EP100

The Breakthrough Institute

Kim Stanley Robinson on Reversing Climate Change S2EP51

Novels by Ursula Le Guin

Bernard Lietaer

S2E58: Oceans and climate, Waves and Beaches—w/ Kim McCoy, oceanographer and author06 Apr 202100:44:04

Few of us live at sea, so the ocean doesn’t get as much attention as it deserves in the climate conversation. But Kim McCoy contends that phytoplankton deserve just as much consideration as polar bears, and it’s time for us to understand how rising temperatures impact the water, the wind, the waves, and the weather. After all, we all live downstream of climate change.

Kim is the oceanographer who updated Willard Bascom’s Waves and Beaches: The Powerful Dynamics of Sea and Coast, adding new insights around the impact of climate change. On this episode of the podcast, Kim joins Ross to discuss the impact of changing the amount of energy in a given system (i.e.: adding energy in the form of heat) and explain the relationship between changes in the atmosphere and changes in the ocean.

Kim shares the scientific data around the increase in accumulated cyclone energy fueling Atlantic hurricanes and describes how private property is becoming public due to sea level rise. Listen in for Kim’s take on interventions like iron fertilization and solar radiation management and find out what we can do restore the health of the hydrologic cycle that connects us all!

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Waves and Beaches: The Powerful Dynamics of Sea and Coast by Willard Bascom and Kim McCoy

Books by John Kretschmer

John Kretschmer on Reversing Climate Change S2EP33

John Martin’s Iron Hypothesis

Running Tide

Brian Von Herzen on Reversing Climate Change EP034

Brian Von Herzen’s RCC Bonus Episode on the Documentary 2040

S2E57: Farming While Black: race and regenerative agriculture—w/ Leah Penniman of Soul Fire Farms30 Mar 202100:34:06

Regenerative agriculture is sometimes branded as a new idea. But the tradition of maintaining soil carbon and honoring the earth, of leaving the land better than we found it, has been part of indigenous traditions for thousands of years. So, what can we do to re-center the stories of Black and Native American growers and give credit where credit is due?

Leah Penniman is the Co-Director and Farm Manager at Soul Fire Farm, an Afro-Indigenous-centered community farm committed to uprooting racism and seeding sovereignty in the food system. Leah has 20-plus years of experience as a soil steward and food sovereignty activist, and she is the author of Farming While Black: Soul Fire Farm’s Practical Guide to Liberation of the Land. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Leah joins Ross and cohost Rebekah Carlson to explain George Washington Carver’s work pioneered modern regenerative agriculture—two decades prior to J.I. Rodale.

Leah describes the work she has done to reclaim a connection with the land (beyond the oppression of slavery and sharecropping) and offers advice on reconnecting with your own indigenous roots. Listen in for Leah’s insight on the shift among Black Americans from rural to urban farming and learn how you can support Soul Fire Farm’s work to promote social and environmental justice.

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Soul Fire Farm

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Farming While Black: Soul Fire Farm’s Practical Guide to Liberation of the Land by Leah Penniman

‘Why Farming Is an Act of Defiance for People of Color’ in Healthyish

Owen Taylor on The Table Underground Podcast EP030

The Cooking Gene: A Journey Through African American Culinary History in the Old South by Michael W. Twitty

The land-healing work of George Washington Carver at Grist

Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II by Douglas A. Blackmon

The Justice for Black Farmers Act

S2E56: Celebrating your very own Climate Passover Seder—w/ Sarah Tuneberg of Geospiza23 Mar 202100:58:41

The Passover story is one of intense grief and loss as well as redemption and freedom. And while the Jews fled Egypt 3,000 years ago, many aspects of the story seem particularly relevant in a world plagued by extreme climate events and COVID-19. So, how might the events of Passover inform the way we think about climate change? Can we customize our Passover observances in a way that considers our responsibility to solve the climate crisis?

Sarah Tuneberg is the CEO of Geospiza, a software company that helps cities and corporations take action around climate risk, and she spent 2020 leading the State of Colorado’s Coronavirus Innovation Response Team. On this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Sarah returns to explain the Jewish tradition of the Passover Seder and explore how it might be customized around the theme of climate change.

Sarah walks us through the Seder meal, describing the inclusive nature of the service and the Jewish tradition of questioning that allows for reinterpretation of the Passover story. Listen in to understand how the idea of tikkun olam requires an active pursuit of social justice and learn how to incorporate climate elements in your Seder celebration this year.

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Sarah on Twitter

Geospiza

Sarah Tuneberg on Reversing Climate Change EP094

New American Haggadah by Jonathan Safran Foer

Jonathan Safran Foer on Reversing Climate Change S2EP29

Jonathan Haidt

Books by Amy-Jill Levine

Greta Thunberg

An Overview of the Story of Passover

What to Expect at a Passover Seder

S2E55: Gather: Reclaiming indigenous foodways—w/ Twila Cassadore, Nephi Craig, & Sammy Gensaw16 Mar 202101:31:34

There is a growing movement among Native Americans to reclaim their spiritual, cultural, and political identities. And restoring indigenous food practices is central to this work. The new documentary Gather follows several indigenous leaders as they work toward food sovereignty, demonstrating the hope and healing power of traditional food.

On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, three of the people featured in the film join Ross to discuss how they got involved in Gather and share their work around reclaiming indigenous foodways with the world. First, traditional food forager and educator Twila Cassadore explains the importance of food sovereignty in the context of her work with the Western Apache Diet Project.

Then, Apache & Navajo restauranteur and executive chef Nephi Craig of Café Gozhóó describes his journey through classical French cuisine back to Native food, exploring the power of indigenous food practices in healing chemical dependency and generational grief. Finally, Yurok fisherman and Ancestral Guard founder Samuel Gensaw III offers insight on the Fish Wars of the 1970s and his ongoing fight to protect future generations through indigenous food. Listen in to understand why he believes indigenous values are key in sustaining life on earth and learn what you can do to support Twila, Nephi, and Sammy’s work.

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Gather Documentary

San Carlos Apache Tribe

Western Apache Diet Project

Tribal Food Sovereignty Advancement Initiative

Twila Cassadore at the Quivir Coalition

Café Gozhóó

Sunrise Park Resort

Nephi Craig on Instagram

Nephi Craig on Facebook

Native American Culinary Association

Victorious Gardens Initiative

Ancestral Guard on Instagram

FishboneTradeCo

Guardians of the River on YouTube

The Fish Wars

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