In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 4, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Path. This includes dreaming, original myth, 3 levels of reality and myth change.

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and is a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 3, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Geography. This includes lands, inner and outer roles, and time-spirits,

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and is a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Frank Uit de Weerd, CRR Global faculty member and co-author of Systems Inspired Leadership, about the benefits of a systems inspired approach to organizational change. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The importance of preparing for the change
• Ways of working more skilfully with emergent change
• Edge crossing and helping organizations to look for minimal viable edges
• The difference between change management and change leadership
• The importance of slowing down

Frank Uit de Weerd is an organizational psychologist and executive/team/systems coach with extensive experience in leadership development, business innovation and cultural transformation. He builds on more than 25 years of international experience in Human Resources with Royal Dutch Shell, where he held assignments in Europe (Netherlands, Belgium, UK), Africa (Gabon) and Asia (Malaysia). He believes that it’s critical for organizations to create a work environment where people feel safe to bring their whole person and where they are supported and encouraged to step into their magnificence. These so-called human-centered organizations create superior results and are key for building a better, more conscious and sustainable world.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 4 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from 4 Worldworkers’from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this episode Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into the 5th and final principle of RSI: Relationship Systems are in a constant state of emergence, always in the process of expressing their potential.

This principle is critical to the phenomenon referred to as the speed of change. It signifies modern society’s increasingly shorter planning horizons and the required flexibility to embrace and navigate change effectively. Successful organizations are nimble and flexible in the face of shifting tides.

Most people are averse to change because they are afraid of the unknown or of losing the status quo. Even the word “change” itself often creates resistance. With RSI, the premise is to accept change as constant, natural and inevitable and to co-create with and from it. Leaders need to move away from the traditional unfreeze-change-freeze paradigm and encourage teams to embrace change as a natural and continuous evolution necessary for survival.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson and Katie Churchman are discussing the power of small habits and fresh starts. Building on their previous discussion around myths and myth change they explore ways of refreshing or completely rewriting narratives in our everyday lives. How can we change the stories that will enable us to step into new ways of being, with each other and with ourselves.

We often wait for temporal markers- like a New Year or a birthday ending in a zero- to make big changes…but why can’t we start today? And what habits can we build into our lives to help us to keep us on track?   

Join Katie and Floyd as they discuss ways in which we can utilize the power of storytelling in everyday life in order to consciously create new ways of being, with our teams, our partners and perhaps most importantly with ourselves.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into the 4th principle of RSI: Relationship Systems Are Naturally Intelligent, Generative and Creative.

This principle allows us to view any change or disturbance as an ally while trusting the Team Entity’s resourcefulness to find its own answers. Conflict and chaos are seen as signals and messages by the Team Entity to co-create from- rather than react to- something new that is trying to happen. 

The more RSI a team has, the more collectively intelligent, generative and creative it can be, paving the way for increased performance. These Relationship System qualities remain present regardless of circumstances, even in disturbance and breakdown (like during a global pandemic). 

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with Maddie Weinreich about toxic behaviors. Building on John Gottman’s research into couples they explore how to become more aware and ultimately reduce the amount of ‘toxins’ that show up in your relationship. The 4 Relationship Toxins are Defensiveness, Contempt, Stonewalling and Blaming. When used frequently, these toxic communication patterns are so lethal to human relationships that Dr. Gottman coined the term the “The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”.

In this podcast, we discuss: the characteristics of the 4 toxins; becoming more aware of your own toxic behaviors; building a positivity bank account; repair bids; and perpetual problems in relationship.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with ORSC coach and Agile expert Terrance Turpin. Terrance has over 20 years of experience in Technology and Software Development and is also a CRR USA staff member. Terrance blends Team coaching – supporting teams in clarifying, aligning & co-creating as a diverse but single entity -and Agility coaching – establishing healthy states of flow across an organization by coaching for alignment in structure, processes, environments, and relationships. Terrance believes that the coaching process is one that generates understanding and alignment for the client, their environments, and those they interact with.  

In this episode, Terrance and Katie discuss some of the synergies between ORSC and Agile Coaching; how ORSC and agile are two sides of the same coin; and how a blend of ORSC and Agile can enable organizations to master continuous change.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson and Katie Churchman are discussing myths and myth change. The idea of a myth connects us with the archetypal roots of the relationship - which has great meaning and power. We are always developing who we are as a couple or a corporation, but often unconsciously. So by revealing this creative process to clients the coach we can make it much more conscious and intentional. 

Floyd is a Front of the Room Leader for CRR Global who focuses on leaders and teams and bringing the best out of individuals based on company and individual objectives. Floyd has more than 30 years of business and military experience which he combines with his coaching, training, and organizational development to help leaders achieve professional and personal goals in alignment with company needs.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into principle 3: Relationship Systems Rely on Roles for their Organization and Execution of functions. Roles belong to the system, not to the individuals that inhabit the system

This principle requires the biggest mental shift in teaming and leadership focus as it asserts that every team member has the responsibility to hold a leadership role on behalf of the system. 

Every relationship system has its own functional and emotional needs that must be fulfilled through roles. Without assigned roles, the system can’t function. 

These roles belong to the relationship system, not necessarily to the individuals that inhabit them. How one person embodies a role can be very different from how another person embodies that same role. Personal history, psychology, work style, maturity, etc. all impact how skillfully each individual inhabits that role. 

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman deep-dive into the second of the 5 principles of Relationship Systems intelligence: Every member of the system is an information carrier and Voice of the System (VOS).  

You can think of a team or family as a puzzle where every member is a piece. To reveal the picture of the overall team experience, every piece is needed. Each member has critical information about the functioning of that team or family. The information may be transmitted through verbal and non-verbal signals, as well as through the behaviors and actions of the individuals within the team. 

As the Collective Intelligence research indicates, the more input acquired from others, the more informed a team will be in its decision-making. 

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member Yuri Morikawa about toxic positivity. Across this conversation, they discuss:

• Can too much positivity ever really be considered 'toxic'? 
• The difference between useful positivity and toxic positivity
• What becomes marginalized when a system is overly biased towards positivity
• Becoming aware of this pattern of behavior in ourselves and the systems that we work with

Yuri Morikawa has been an active player in the professional coaching field since 2004. She has trained and coached more than 1000 of leaders and coaches globally from various backgrounds, such as corporate executives, NGO leaders, business owners, independent professionals, and dream seekers of their own. Prior to her career in coaching, Yuri worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. After being a trainer for Coaching Training Institute (CTI) for 8 years, she launched the Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) Program in Japan and founded CRR Japan in 2009.  Currently, she is a global faculty member of CRR Global, developing professional organizational coaches around the world, such as in Japan, China, Singapore, South Africa, and Australia. She is passionate about bringing her professional experience to the bigger social context and works extensively with NGOs in Social Sectors such as the Kamonohashi Project supporting survivor leaders of human trafficking issues in India and Asia Rural Institute, educating organic farming, and developing servant leadership for rural leaders in Asia and Africa.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with Maddie Weinreich about vitality for couples. 

There are all kinds of ways we can be in relationship with our partners. Sometimes it can be very dull to be in a couple and can be very exciting! Relationships are in constant cycles. 

In this episode, Maddie talks about relationship behavioral patterns that can help to foster more aliveness, engagement and vitality.  After two decades of working with couples, Maddie’s noticed 5 recurring ‘elements’ in couples with high levels of vitality. These 5 elements are as follows:

1.     Autonomy 

2.     Interdependence

3.     Constructive Disagreement

4.     Intimacy

5.     Vision

When couples have all of these things going on there tends to be a good amount of engagement, aliveness and vitality. 

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon deep-dives into the first of the 5 principles of Relationship Systems Intelligence (or RSI): The Third Entity.

RSI involves the ability to move from seeing a group of individuals to seeing the system itself, as a living breathing entity and this is what we call Third Entity.

Relationship Systems Work holds that there is more present in a relationship than the individual team members. Along with the people involved, there is also the relationship or system itself. It is useful to consider the relationship as a separate “third entity” which has its own needs and voice. In Relationship Systems Work this Third Entity is the ultimate focus.

In this episode, Katie Churchman is talking with master coach Maddie Weinreich. As well as being the past director of faculty and leader development at CRR Global Maddie currently serves as a senior Front of the Room Leader for the ORSC Program and ORSC Certification

Maddie’s passion for personal development and human potential contributes to her success in the field of relationship coaching. For more than 25 years, Maddie’s own marriage has provided her with deep insights into the joys and challenges of a committed relationship. While raising her family in New England, Maddie has developed a great aptitude for helping others to discover the gifts that come from empowering relationships. These gifts serve to transform clients’ lives and help them move forward.

Maddie believes that all relationships have the potential for more growth and in this episode, Maddie discusses how to make your partner your ally.

In Part-1 of Ghosts, Faith Fuller is talking about Ghost roles. 

Ghost roles are invisible third-party presences that come and go and impact the emotional field. A ghost role is present when something is clearly affecting the relationship, yet isn’t talked about, and may not even be conscious to the people in the system. 

Ghosts arise from our experiences in previous relationships, both personal and professional. They may be people, or they may be events and they can both negatively and positively influence our lives.

In this episode, Faith talks about becoming aware of ghosts, working with ghosts and potentially turning them into allies.

In the first episode of season 2, Marita Fridjhon introduces the 5 principles of Relationship Systems Intelligence (RSI). RSI has five key principles which shape what we believe, how we engage, and the “place from which we come.” These principles underpin all of our relationships and are, therefore, fundamental to everything we do as coaches, leaders and human beings. Understanding and engaging in these principles can help us to better access and apply Relationship Systems Intelligence, with our clients, our teams, and with our families.

Principle #1 Each Relationship System has its own unique identity (referred to by Marita as the 3rd entity).

Principle #2 Every Member of a Relationship System Is a Voice of the System

Principle #3 Relationship Systems Are Naturally Intelligent, Generative and Creative

Principle #4 Relationship Systems Rely on Roles for their Organization and Execution of functions. Roles belong to the system, not to the individuals that inhabit the system

Principle #5 Relationship Systems Are In a Constant State of Emergence, always in the process of expressing their potential

In the Season 1 finale, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman are talking about meeting the system. How can we make sure we are meeting the people in front us, as they are in the present moment? When we’re coaching, it can be all too easy to presume we know who we’re talking to – particularly when it comes to longer-term coaching engagements. So each and every time we meet a system, how can we try to see it with brand new eyes? So that our preconceptions and past experiences don’t cloud our vision of what’s really there?

In this episode, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman are discussing ways we can integrate Organizational Relationship Systems Coaching (otherwise known as ORSC) into our work and into our lives. If you already have an established coaching or consultancy practice, how might you benefit from ORSC? And how can you seamlessly blend ORSC into what you’re already doing?

In this episode, Katie welcomes back Sandra Cain, Director of Curriculum and senior Faculty at CRR Global, to talk about alignment. Across this conversation, they discuss: 

• Why alignment coaching is foundational to the ORSC approach
• The challenges surrounding alignment coaching
• The importance of bilateral ventilation
• Shifting from positions to common interests 
• Humanizing the other person and seeing them as a person and not the problem

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman talk about collective leadership. Many of us attribute the idea of ‘leadership’ to a particular person or a team of ‘leaders.' However, as Marita explains in this podcast, leadership can also be viewed as a role that belongs to the system. When we embrace this idea we start to see that inspired leadership can show up in the most unlikely places and from the most unlikely people. What would your team or family dynamic be like if there was more of a sense of shared responsibility around the idea of ‘leadership’? As opposed to belonging one person, can this be a role that we share?

In this episode, Faith Fuller is talking about setting a coaching agenda. 

Establishing a clear agenda at the start of a coaching session is incredibly important because it sets expectations and also influences the relationship between coach and client.  It’s a powerful tool that can set the tone for everything else to follow. But it can also be the coaching session in of itself. As Faith explains- the agenda doesn’t have to be something we rush to ‘get done’ at the beginning of the session.

When a client doesn’t know what they want or brings a really broad or vague ‘goal’ to a session how can we help them to get more clarity around their wants and needs?

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman are talking about reading and working with the emotional field, which is a key element of systems coaching. By closely tracking shifts in the emotional field we can start to reflect back and possibly shape the emotional climate in a given situation.

You can think of it like an immediate weather report of what is happening emotionally in this moment. And just like a weather report, it’s not exact. There might be a 69% chance of rain, just in the same way you sense some awkwardness in the field. It’s subjective, ever-changing and can provide us with a lot of information. 

Alongside the emotional field, they discuss Metaskills, conscious intentionality, self-awareness and the intelligence of the body.

In this episode, Faith Fuller is talking about what makes systems coaching different. What are the crossovers between pure coaching and consultancy and what is unique about systems coaching? What do we do? Why do we do it? And how does it help our clients?

Over the course of this conversation we discuss the following topics:

• The differences between therapy and coaching
• The differences between pure coaching and systems coaching
• Blending consultancy and coaching
• Giving our clients the tools to change their lives.

RSI-White-Paper: An Introduction to Relationship Systems Intelligence

In this episode, Marita Frijdhon is talking about system inspired leadership and why it is needed now more than ever.  As we say in systems coaching, ‘the whole is greater than the sum of its parts’ and by utilizing this intelligence, teams of all shapes and sizes may find that they not only survive- but thrive- through challenging times. Instead of focusing on the individual mountain that we have to climb, let’s connect with the team around us, and consider what we can do together- today- to create positive change. 

Key takeaways from the episode: 

• A systems inspired leader recognizes that they don’t always have to be in charge. Instead, they utilize the strengths within their team.
• Systems inspired leaderships is about stepping back and seeing the bigger picture. A shift from micro-management to macro-analysis.
• They are ‘we’ focused as opposed to ‘me’ focused
• Stepping into a systems perspective will not only help your team to work more effectively it will also take the pressure off you as a leader.
• Great leadership isn’t about having all the answers: it’s asking great questions. 

In this episode, Faith Fuller is exploring Transparency. Practicing real, authentic transparency can be a very powerful tool- as a coach, a leader and as a human being. Transparency can help to build trust, deepen connections and humanize conversations.

This episode covers the importance of transparency when coaching systems you are a part of; being clear and upfront about hidden agendas; using transparency in emails and texts to offer clarity and also, using it as a tool for flagging intentions.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is talking about life-giving and life-draining behaviours. What gives you life and what drains you? And which do you bring more of to your family, colleagues and community? 

Over the course of the episode, Marita discusses becoming conscious of life-giving and life-draining qualities, the stages of grief and also takes a look at how the two qualities are more intertwined than we might realise. Can life-giving qualities exist within life-draining experiences, like grief?

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller about evolution through relationship, which is a major theme in your upcoming book Relationship Matters: A New Paradigm for an Evolutionary Leap in Relationships. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• Why relationship is essential for human evolution
• What gets in the way of relationship?
• Slowing down to be present with the relationships in our lives
• Our relationship with nature
• Faith’s high dreams for relationship work

Faith Fuller is a co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 20 years of experience working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode of the Relationship Matters podcast, Faith Fuller is talking about the aftermath of an argument. Arguments are a normal part of relationship. So perhaps we should be less concerned about the amount we argue and more focused on how we argue. 

And if we do blow up in relationship and we have a particularly unskillful argument, how can we more consciously recover from the blow and start to repair any damage that we might have created within the relationship?  In this episode, we talk about the unwritten rules around our relationships that govern how we behave with our partners, children and colleagues. At CRR Global we refer to these social contracts as designed team alliances (which we refer to in this episode as a DTA). We also talk about how we can use fights as opportunities to learn and grow- both on an individual and an interpersonal level. 

Right now, many of our roles have blended together. We might be playing parent, teacher and manager all at the same time because of the lock-down measures brought in by COVID-19.

Often people become identified with the job they are doing, which is what we refer to in this podcast as an “outer role” – like being CEO or cook. Or they identify with an emotional job for which they feel responsible – what we call an “inner role” like being the peacemaker, or the one who speaks up about things. 

So join Marita as she talks about the different types of roles and what we might learn from the overlapping of the many roles in our lives. How might we better navigate this juggling of responsibilities, jobs and parts of self? Now and also beyond a time of COVID-19…

What does it mean to be in Right Relationship? In episode 1, Faith Fuller is exploring the many ways we can step into Right Relationship, with our partners, families, colleagues and also with ourselves. What does it mean to be in Right Relationship? And how can we become more conscious and intentional in relationships- particularly during challenging and uncertain times? 

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty members Judy Van Zon and Irith Koster about Emotional Intelligence or EQ and how it can help us take responsibility for our emotions. This conversation touches on a range of topics, including: 

• What is emotional intelligence and why is it so fundamental to the ORSC approach
• What happens when our EQ is lacking? Or is not balanced with the other intelligences? 
• How to use emotional intelligence to take responsibility for our own emotions
• The link between EQ and locus of control
• The benefits of building emotional intelligence in coaching, leadership and life

Irith Koster trained as an organizational psychologist (MA) and specializes in coaching partnerships and teams, and individual leaders. By studying, working, and living in Amsterdam, Jerusalem and Los Angeles, Irith learned to look at situations from multiple perspectives, which added to her drive to help people do the same. Alongside being a Certified Organization and Relationship Systems Coach since 2013 and a front-of-the-room leader for CRR Global, she is an ICF-accredited Professional Certified Coach and a Certified Team Performance Coach by Team Coaching International. She is also a facilitator of the War to Peace Methodology, created by Halcyon Global, and a Co-active Coach and is a lifelong student of the Gremlin Taming Method by Rick Carson. Her secret mission is that the people she works with take these tools and insights home into their families. Irith is based in the Netherlands with her husband and three daughters. She loves to run in the forest of Amsterdam and to read everything she can about human beings and their relationships. She is fluent in Dutch, English and Hebrew. 

Judy van Zon has lived and worked in several countries and speaks the language of people who are crossing a border, physically as well as emotionally. In short, she works with people who are going through personal or professional change. One of the things that sets her apart is her inclusion of spirituality to help her clients better connect to their own inner wisdom and power. In her team coaching, Judy believes that working with the ORSC model is a very powerful way to build bridges in relationships. It goes far beyond familiar skills like empathy and active listening. It offers a whole new way of looking at people and how we live and work together. Her focus is on working with corporate leaders and teams. Training others in this allows her to spread this energy throughout the world. For the last 25 years, she has lived and worked in six countries on three continents, the last 3.5 years in India and the region around. She is now back in the Netherlands and, as well as being a senior faculty member, was the former Director of Certification at CRR Global. Judy speaks Dutch, English, German, Spanish, and French. 

 
 For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member Sunčica Getter about ORSC and mindfulness. Across this conversation, they discuss: 

• What is mindfulness?
• How can mindfulness help us to become better systems coaches?
• How can the ORSC tools and skills help us to be more mindful?
• The inner observer as an ally
• The role of compassion
• Some of the benefits of mindfulness- personally & professionally

Sunčica Getter is an MCC systemic coach, consultant, educator, and Director for Continuous Development at CRR Global. With over 20 years of experience, her focus is on transformational leadership development and systemic culture change. Her work in coaching education has seen her train, mentor and supervise coaches and design and deliver academic, public, and in-house coaching training and accreditation courses. Her experiences collaborating with world-class coaching institutions and diverse clients have made Sunčica a trusted systemic coaching consultant. She advises companies and institutions on the implementation of systemic coaching and systemic thinking for both organizational and community development. In addition, Sunčica is a qualified mindfulness teacher, having trained with Jack Kornfield and Tara Brach through the University of Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Centre.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Mike Holton, COO of CRR Global, about the importance of grief when dealing with a myth change. Across this conversation, they discuss:

•  The value of grieving an old myth before embracing a new myth
•  Some of the challenges that show up when we rush through the grief stage
•  How grief can be an ally for change
•  The importance of slowing down
•  And some ways we can learn to prioritize this important stage

Mike Holton has a lifelong passion for working with and developing leaders across the globe. Alongside his roles at CRR Global, Mike has spent a career working to develop organizational capabilities within the Global 2000. In the coaching field, he has worked as an Agile, leadership, couples, team, and organizational coach. The most important role Mike plays is being a husband and father to four amazing children. This role has shaped him and continues to develop him as a person today.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In part 3 of this 3-part special on boundaryless change, Katie talks with CRR Global co-founder Marita Fridjhon about some of the everyday applications of boundaryless change. This episode brings this mini-series back down to earth and looks at the importance of this concept in our everyday lives. Across this episode, they discuss:

• How to explain this concept to a 6-year-old?
• How might this concept be useful to a parent?
• Some of the ways we need to embrace boundaryless change in our daily lives
• The importance of embracing and working with the principle of emergence

If you haven’t listened to parts 1 and 2 already, we would highly recommend listening to Boundaryless Change Part 1: The Meta View and Boundaryless Change Part 2: The Coaching Evolution first. 

Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In part 2 of this 3-part mini-series on boundaryless change, Katie speaks with CRR Global co-founder Marita Fridjhon about how boundaryless change is impacting the coaching industry. Across this conversation, we discuss: 

• How can coaches respond to an increasing awareness of boundaryless change
• Ways we can hold the complexity surrounding boundaryless change
• Some of the impacts on the coaching industry at large
• The most essential skills to help coaches and their clients work with boundaryless change

If you haven’t listened to it already, we would highly recommend listening to Boundaryless Change Part 1: The Meta View first.

 
Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global co-founder Marita Fridjhon about boundaryless change. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The difference between complicated and complex systems 
• Our increasing awareness of boundaryless change
• The challenges that arise when we try to remedy complex issues with simple solutions
• The importance of boundaries and boundary-setting
• How to hold the complexity of boundaryless change whilst also honoring our need for boundaries 

Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 2, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Intelligence. This includes edge-crossing, rank, deep democracy, the constant nature of change, and the idea of “who knows what is good or what is bad.”

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member Chris Howell about the improvisation in relationship. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The golden rule of Improvisation & how it applies to Relationships
• How the ORSC tools or techniques do you believe help us to embrace an improviser mindset
• The benefits of an improviser mindset when co-coaching or co-leading a course

Chris Howell is an experienced team and leadership coach known for his energetic presence, empathy and engaging style. His understanding of systems emerged through his experience in designing information technology and managing change in organizations. He always focused on the people and relationships in the system. His awareness of Psychology, NLP and Organisation Development helps him to make the connections between heart, mind and all levels of emotional intelligence within the human system. Chris now facilitates leadership development and accredited coach training as well as coaching executives and teams for international corporates. He has supported people and teams across a wide range of industries, including finance, manufacturing, technology, pharmaceutical, government, construction, and non-profit.  He uses a wide range of well-recognized assessment tools that help people to see more deeply who they are in their relationships. He is passionate at supporting community and non-profit organizations. He founded a community organization in a deprived area of South-East London which continues to support members of the local community to express their voice. He has also supported leadership development for teenagers in the same community, helping them find purpose, confidence and who they are as leaders. Chris continues to enjoy learning about relationship based in Kent on the South coast of the UK.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks to CRR Global faculty member Kiki Kesseler about bringing Metaskills to life. Across this conversation, they discuss:

• The concept of Metaskills and why they are useful for coaches
• Embracing Metaskills so they aren’t simply understood but embodied
• The gap between intention and impact
• The influence of Metaksills, professionally and personally
• Ways we can practice being more conscious and intentional communication

Kiki Kesseler is a CRR Global faculty member for both courses and the certification program. Kiki believes that the value of working with teams, individuals and relationships lies in the balance between revealing to the clients what is trying to happen and educating them on how to self-manage similar issues in the future for a more positive and productive relationship. Kiki focuses on people development and brings 20+ years of experience in cultural diversity, coaching, training, and team management across various industries, with corporate roles in Sales & Marketing, Business Development and Training. She specializes in team development, conflict resolution, leadership skills and systemic coaching. She is known to create a trusted atmosphere of positive energy that encourages the client to align, communicate, learn, and implement changed behavior. With clear education and the use of practical tools, Kiki inspires a can-do spirit among leaders. Her strength lies in combining coaching and training skills to enable growth. Originally from The Netherlands, she speaks Dutch, English, and German. Her cross-cultural experience was established through living in Austria, the United States, Germany and the UAE over the past 18 years, working within culturally diverse environments, organizations and teams. After a four-month adventurous drive from Dubai back to the Netherlands, Kiki and her family are now based close to Utrecht, The Netherlands.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this special episode of the Relationship Matters Podcast, Katie Churchman will be stepping into the role of guest alongside CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller, with the show guest-hosted by senior faculty member at CRR Global, Sandra Cain. Across the conversation, they discuss what they are learning about birth and death, which was inspired by their different life circumstances: at the time of recording, Katie was 24 weeks pregnant with twins, and Faith is navigating stage 4 Uterine cancer. This discussion covers a range of topics, including:

• The similarities between birth and death
• How birth and death can be a mirror for one another
• Myth changes and secondary identities
• Disappointed dreams, grief, and the limits of expectations
• The importance of presence
• The wisdom in uncertainty

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman is the host of the Relationship Matters podcast and a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organisations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organisations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specialises in coaching individuals & teams across a wide range of areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated, energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Yuri Morikawa, a CRR Global faculty member based in Japan and Rebecca Hou, a CRR Global faculty member based in China, about ORSC in Asian culture. For International Coaching Week, the duo offered an impactful virtual workshop on empowering deep democracy in organizations with Asian Culture which included both Chinese and Japanese Participants. This episode continues their exploration and looks at some of their practices and experiences from working in organizations with Asian culture. This conversation covers a range of topics, including: 

• The differences that show up when using ORSC in Asian organizations
• Challenges around Deep Democracy in Asian culture
• The impact of Deep Democracy in their personal systems
• Systems Inspired Parenting
• Ways to empower ORSC in Asian culture.

Yuri Morikawa has been an active player in the professional coaching field since 2004. She has trained and coached more than 1000 of leaders and coaches globally from various backgrounds, such as corporate executives, NGO leaders, business owners, independent professionals, and dream seekers of their own.  Prior to her career in coaching, Yuri worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. After being a trainer for Coaching Training Institute (CTI) for 8 years, she launched the Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) Program in Japan and founded CRR Japan in 2009.  Currently, she is a global faculty member of CRR Global, developing professional organizational coaches around the world, such as in Japan, China, Singapore, South Africa, and Australia. She is passionate about bringing her professional experience to the bigger social context and works extensively with NGOs in Social Sectors such as the Kamonohashi Project supporting survivor leaders of human trafficking issues in India and Asia Rural Institute, educating organic farming, and developing servant leadership for rural leaders in Asia and Africa.

Rebecca Hou is an ICF Master Certified Coach, Executive/Leadership Coach and Training Consultant. She is also a faculty member and Front of the Room Leader at CTI and CRR Global. She leads professional coaching certification programs: including Co-Active Coaching, ORSC, Neuroscience Consciousness & Transformational Coaching. She is also a mentor coach, supervisor, and examiner for certification coach students. Her major focus areas are one-to-one leadership coaching, team coaching and the design and delivery of training workshops. Rebecca used to work for Siemens Management Institute for four years. During her service, she worked with internal clients of different business sectors from Industry, Energy, and Healthcare, as well as cross-business sectors. Prior to this, Rebecca worked for IWNC, a multi-national training company, for 11 years. During that period, she maintained contact with a portfolio of clients and worked with them on the design and delivery of programs.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole. 

Season 5 is here! Get excited about 20 news episodes where podcast host Katie Churchman engages in meaningful conversations with an amazing lineup of guests from our global community of systems thinkers.

Click here to watch the video.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature to the larger whole.

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In this episode, Katie is talking with Bill Donaldson, Doris Saouma, and Michella Welstead about ORSC Coaching Circles, a community-led Worldwork initiative. ORSC Coaching Circles are 100% led and run by a community of change agents from around the world. They embrace the RSI Principles and welcome all ORSC practitioners to fill a role and ultimately evolve the larger world system we are part of. Throughout this conversation, they discuss:

• The inspiration behind ORSC coaching circles
• How they work
• Their high dream for the initiative
• The importance of Worldwork

Getting in touch: ORSC Coaching Circles are open to those who've completed training on ORSC tools and would like to come together with others to experience and practice the tools in a safe and supportive environment.  To be added to the monthly announcements or find out more information, please click here or email orsc.coachingcircle@gmail.com. 

Bill Donaldson is a husband to Amy, father to Katie and Greg, and grandfather to Nathaniel, living in Charleston, SC. Bill is passionate about making people’s lives better through his leadership in Business Transformation and Team Coaching. He is passionate about women's allyship with a goal to impact 100K women to retain or re-join the STEM workforce. Bill is an ICF ACC certified coach and a Gold Tier #IamRemarkable facilitator. 

Doris Saouma supports leaders and organizations in defining and living their legacy while building better workplaces, cultures, and countries. She works with leaders globally in various sectors, including private banks, central banks, consulting firms, hedge funds, sovereign funds, private equities, trading agencies, pharma companies, insurance companies, as well as governmental and non-governmental organizations. Her work experience ranges from supporting individual leaders in developing their leadership skills and upgrading their careers to accompanying teams in collaborating for higher impact.

Michella Welstead grew up in Australia and now calls the Netherlands home. She comes from a background in data management and data-driven transformation. Along the way, she’s seen firsthand how critical team dynamics are to organizational success. She now incorporates ORSC coaching tools in her work in agile transformations to help individuals, teams, and organizations unleash their creativity, embrace collaboration, and transition towards improved performance.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Judy van Zon and Katherine Starks about the ORSC™ certification program. Judy is currently Director of Certification at CRR Global, and Kathie is a recent alumnus of the program. The ORSC Certification program is a unique and comprehensive eight-month program with extensive practice and online study designed to produce the best ORSC practitioners in the world! Throughout this conversation, we discuss what makes the program so unique, the intentions and outcomes of the course, edge crossing, the practicalities of the course, the impact of world work, and much more.

For more information on the ORSC Certification Program, please click here.

Judy van Zon helps her clients better connect to their own inner wisdom and power. In her team coaching, Judy believes that working with the ORSC model is a very powerful way to build bridges in relationships. It goes far beyond familiar skills like empathy and active listening. It offers a whole new way of looking at people and how we live and work together. Her focus is on working with corporate leaders and teams. Training others in this allows her to spread this energy throughout the world. She also applies her skills to roles like facilitating and mentoring. For the last 25 years, she has lived and worked in six countries on three continents, the last 3.5 years in India and the region around. She is now back in the Netherlands and is CRR Global's current Director of Certification. Judy speaks Dutch, English, German, Spanish, and French. With a master’s in business administration, her professional career started in the commercial operations of an international consumer goods company. 

Katherine Starks has spent most of her career in financial services, the last 15 years in senior leadership positions. This experience laid the groundwork for a natural progression to the next stage: coaching and mentoring other professionals so that they too can find their path and passion in life. Kathie’s coaching journey began during her years in the corporate world, first becoming an ICF Certified Co-Active Coach and later embarking on her ORSC journey just as she pursued her final and most challenging role as CEO and Branch Manager of the Bank of New York Mellon in Frankfurt. At the beginning of 2022, Kathie left the corporate world so that she could dedicate all her time and energy into pursuing her dream of coaching successful teams and fulfilled leaders.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In the final episode of season 4, Katie talks with Kiki Kesseler about vulnerability in relationship. Across this conversation, we discuss:

• How does vulnerability show up in relationship? 
• Patterns in relationship
• Expressing what you need
• Owning “I don’t know” as a pathway into vulnerability
• Choosing to be vulnerable
• The impact of control and the value of playfulness

Kiki Kessler is a CRR Global faculty member for both courses and the certification programme. Kiki believes that the value of working with teams, individuals, and relationships lies in the balance between revealing to the clients what is trying to happen and educating them on how to self-manage similar issues in the future for a more positive and productive relationship. Kiki focuses on people development and brings 20+ years of experience in cultural diversity, coaching, training, and team management across various industries, with corporate roles in Sales & Marketing, Business Development, and Training. She specializes in team development, conflict resolution, leadership skills, and systemic coaching. She is known to create a trusted atmosphere of positive energy that encourages the client to align, communicate, learn, and implement changed behavior. With clear education and the use of practical tools, Kiki inspires a can-do spirit among leaders. Her strength lies in combining coaching and training skills to enable growth. Originally from The Netherlands, she speaks Dutch, English, and German. Her cross-cultural experience was established through living in Austria, the United States, Germany and the UAE over the past 18 years, working within culturally diverse environments, organizations and teams. After a four-month adventurous drive from Dubai back to the Netherlands, Kiki and her family are now based close to Utrecht, The Netherlands.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

Part 1 provides a flyover of some of the ways ORSC can help us to understand parenting. Looking through the lens of ORSC, what can we learn about parenting, and what can it teach us about ourselves at a personal, relational, and societal level?

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.