Is LinkedIn still worth the price? Are fake resumes making remote hiring a nightmare? And could AI actually take over your recruiting job? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, Joel sits down with Tony Le, Global Head of Talent at Mission Cloud, to talk tech recruiting in 2025. Mission Cloud is a leading cloud services and AI solutions provider. From early days in retail to leading global talent teams, Tony pulls no punches on what it really takes to stay relevant in today’s fast-evolving market. They break down why LinkedIn’s pricing feels like a mystery box, the real deal on InMails, and how recruiters can future-proof their careers with AI, data, and tech fluency. Additionally, Tony shares what it’s like to screen 400 resumes in a day, how to spot AI-generated resumes, and why “giving your candidates an edge” might just be the new standard. If you’re a talent, on the job market, or just trying to stay ahead in 2025, you don’t want to miss this one.  In this episode: (00:03) Introduction (01:01) Introduction to Tony Le and what he does (01:55) Sponsor message for Hey Milo AI (03:18) Falling into recruiting: how a cousin’s career fair changed everything (06:58) Leaving agency life: the grind of replacing 50 consultants every 18 months (09:14) Pivoting in-house: from Ask Jeeves to influencing the whole company (12:34) The LinkedIn pricing mystery: why no one pays the same (16:35) Gen Z, TikTok, and the pressure to build a personal brand early (20:03) The future of LinkedIn: moving toward creators, ads, and beyond (21:44) Common mistakes and what recruiting teams look for in resumes (22:58) What AI does with resumes (24:41) The resume trick recruiters actually notice: it’s all in the headline (26:40) The role of an account manager (27:06) Remote work and applicant flow (27:40) Challenges in screening resumes (30:07) The rise of fake candidates and AI-enhanced resumes (33:24) Interview preparation and etiquette (36:48) Zoom etiquette, t-shirts, and what still matters in interviews (39:48) Why great recruiters prep their candidates (42:01) How hiring managers are changing and what they’re not doing anymore (44:54) Tony’s advice for recruiters to stay relevant (51:42) Where to find Tony and his favorite Slack communities (52:16) Final thoughts About Tony Le Tony Le is the Global Head of Talent Acquisition at Mission Cloud, a CDW company. With 20+ years of experience in both agency and in-house recruiting, he’s seen the tech talent world from every angle. Tony is a firm believer in pairing real-world people skills with tech-forward recruiting strategies and he’s not afraid to question the status quo. Resource Links LinkedIn  Mission Cloud This episode is brought to you by HeyMilo AI, the conversational AI built for high-volume hiring. HeyMilo helps recruiters save hours by automating initial screens while delivering smooth, two-way interviews at scale. Book a demo at HeyMilo.ai and see why top teams trust it to elevate their brand. About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does Drag Queen Bingo have to do with employee engagement? In this episode, Joel catches up with Tannum Sullivan, Senior Manager of People, Experience & Culture at RentSpree — a prop-tech startup that’s redefining how people rent (and how employees stay engaged). They dive deep into the real reasons engagement is hitting all-time lows and why the old HR playbook isn’t enough anymore. Tannum shares what it’s really like building culture from the inside — not the sidelines — and why true engagement means showing up for your people in ways that matter (spoiler: drag queen bingo might be your new secret weapon). They unpack what startup life actually feels like (hint: multiple hats, daily chaos, and lots of autonomy) and why it’s not for the faint of heart. They also get real about burnout, boundaries, and why leadership must lead by example if they want employees to take PTO guilt-free. Plus: how to talk to leadership in their language (data!) and why guiding principles are more than corporate wallpaper — if you know how to test them. Packed with practical advice, fresh ideas, and honest takes, this episode is for anyone trying to make work work again in 2025. In this episode: (00:00:03) Podcast introduction (00:01:15) Catching up with Tannum and RecFest memories (00:02:19) Tannum’s new role at RentSpree and focus on culture (00:03:42) Why engagement is at historic lows — and what’s really going on (00:06:08) Remote work, rethinking employee connection & drag queen bingo (00:07:06) How to really listen to employees (hint: skip the surveys) (00:09:20) Why knowing the business matters for HR & TA pros (00:12:02) The great generational divide — and the power of autonomy (00:16:08) Startup culture: chaos, multiple hats, and finding the right fit (00:21:04) Testing if “guiding principles” are real — smart questions for job seekers (00:28:30) Burnout & overwork: how to set boundaries in a startup (00:33:34) Getting leadership buy-in: speaking their language with data (00:36:03) Real metrics to watch: pulse surveys, Slack emojis & reposts (00:39:35) How to connect with Tannum & final thoughts About Tannum Sullivan Tannum Sullivan is the Senior Manager of People, Experience & Culture at RentSpree, a fast-growing property tech startup. A true culture builder, she believes engagement can’t happen from the sidelines — it takes rolling up your sleeves, knowing the business, and sometimes hosting a drag queen bingo night to keep remote teams connected. Resources LinkedIn  RentSpree About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s really happening behind the scenes when you hit “apply” on a job posting? Does candidate experience actually impact business results, or is it just a feel-good metric? Today’s episode will make you rethink how hiring really works, whether you’re a recruiter or a job seeker. Joel Lalgee sits down with Cailean Bailey, Head of Global Talent Acquisition at Design Pickle, a creative tech platform with over 550 employees in 15 countries. Cailean drops actionable insights on building candidate experiences that actually matter — and why most companies are getting it wrong. You’ll hear Cailean break down the realities of startup life, including why hiring isn’t about ping-pong tables or equity dreams, but about handling chaos, bringing structure, and delivering business outcomes. She shares how her team uses behavioral competencies like curiosity and adaptability to make smarter hires, and reveals their secret weapon: tracking candidate Net Promoter Scores (NPS). If you’ve ever wondered how to measure real hiring success or get leadership buy-in for better processes, this episode is a goldmine. Stick around as they explore what it really takes to stand out in today’s noisy job market — whether you’re building a team or trying to get hired. Cailean explains why providing feedback, setting expectations, and treating candidates like customers can make you an outlier in the best way possible. Plus, she shares how Design Pickle keeps candidates engaged from application to onboarding, and why companies of any size can implement “surprise and delight” moments without breaking the budget. This episode is brought to you by Interactive EQ, the immersive talent assessment platform that goes beyond the resume. Experience first-person, real-life scenarios that reveal how candidates actually respond—not just what they say. See it in action at interactiveEQ.com and let them know Joel sent you. In this episode: 00:01:12 – Meet Cailean Bailey and Her Journey to Design Pickle 00:04:53 – Growing Design Pickle During COVID-19 00:10:41 – From Soccer Coach to Recruiter: Cailean's Career Pivot 00:24:07 – Agency vs. In-House Recruiting Realities 00:34:15 – The Hidden Truths About Working in Startups 00:39:47 – Measuring Curiosity and Drive in Interviews 00:50:25 – Startup Chaos and Proving Yourself on Day One 01:03:13 – Candidate NPS: A Game-Changer in Candidate Experience 01:15:32 – Why Great Candidate Experience Doesn’t Need Fancy Tools 01:25:58 – Connecting Hiring to Business Outcomes and ROI 01:39:12 – Why Candidate Experience Is a Marketing Play 01:51:47 – Setting Honest Expectations About High-Performance Cultures 02:02:17 – Final Thoughts and Where to Connect with Cailean Bailey About Cailean Bailey Cailean (pronounced Kay-lynn) is the Head of Global Talent Acquisition at Design Pickle, an AI-powered creative platform with a global design workforce. He leads a distributed team that manages 30,000+ applications annually across 14 countries, hiring for roles in Engineering, Product, Marketing, Sales, and Creative. Before recruiting, Cailean was a Division I soccer coach, where he learned to build high-performing teams and guide people through pressure and growth. That mindset now fuels his approach to talent. Outside of work, he’s into F45 workouts, strong coffee, globe-trotting (40+ countries), and waiting—sometimes patiently—for Manchester United’s return to glory. Resource Links Design Pickle Linkedin Design Pickle Official Website About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Episode 6 of Recruiting is no Joke I'm honored to have The one and only Brian Fink with me today - Currently the Global Technical Sourcing Manager at Twitter, in the past he's worked with Apple, RentPath, and AWS. On top of this Brian is a great follow on Linkedin for recruiters, he posts helpful and encouraging content and is a great representation of who he is in real life. (We chatted last Friday and I came away with actionable advice I've been using) Brian is a true recruiting leader and influencer and I'm super happy we get a chance to chat again Thank you to our Sponsors Brighthire.com the only interview platform that can help you remove bias and improve your quality of hire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week's guest is Adam Rosenfield - Adam is an experienced SaaS recruiter who specializes in scaling talent acquisition for seed stage to Series D tech companies. His accomplishments include scaling a global team 7x, building out our diversity and inclusion plans, and working to earn a US "Best Places to Work" honor in 2022. Adam has had agency and internal experience over the past decade and brings a ton of value. Thank you to our Sponsors Brighthire.com the only interview platform that can help you remove bias and improve your quality of hire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am delighted to have Britteny Soto, Director of Talent Acquisition, Justice Equity Diversity, and Inclusion & Enablement for Encamp. Join us as we discuss her journey to her current position, What TA struggles she's facing, What she cares about most in her role, And why she loves what she does! Thank you to our Sponsors Brighthire.com the only interview platform that can help you remove bias and improve your quality of hire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Super excited for Episode 3 of Recruiting is no Joke. Join Nick Martuscelli Talent Director from Barstool Sports We will be hearing about: His journey to his current role, Life as a talent Director, His biggest Challenges, How he is using his brand to boost recruiting and So much more. Thank you to our Sponsors Brighthire.com the only interview platform that can help you remove bias and improve your quality of hire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Episode #2 of Recruiting is no joke. This week's guest Adam Walters heads up recruiting for Polygon.io a series A funded fintech start-up! Join us for this afternoon session where we'll hear what start-up recruiting life is really like and get his take on how to attract top talent. Adam has a strong background in agency recruitment focusing on tech startups, then we had an offer he couldn't refuse, heading up talent at a fintech startup. Here is his story. Thank you to our Sponsors Brighthire.com the only interview platform that can help you remove bias and improve your quality of hire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever wondered how recruiters actually land interviews in today’s brutal market? Or what truly makes someone stand out when applying? This episode with Glenn Lindley is packed with raw, honest advice for recruiters and job seekers navigating a hiring world full of ghosted applications, AI-driven fraud, and overwhelming competition. Glenn shares why your network is your real résumé, why authenticity crushes AI-generated messages, and the best moves you can make at in-person events to turn conversations into opportunities. Glenn Lindley, former Director of Talent Acquisition at HighLevel and Pubmatic veteran, dives deep into how he successfully transitioned careers, built strong recruiter communities, and survived the rollercoaster of hypergrowth startups. You’ll hear inside tactics from his global hiring experience, including fighting fraud in remote recruiting and why real human relationships always beat spray-and-pray applications. Plus, we explore how recruiters and job seekers can use AI the right way — not to replace human connection, but to amplify it. Whether you’re job hunting, recruiting, or just trying to stay ahead of the curve, this episode is loaded with actionable insights you can use immediately. In this episode: 00:00 — Welcome 01:00 — Meet Glenn Lindley: Career Highlights 02:00 — Why Glenn Left Pubmatic After a Decade 05:30 — Landing Interviews in Today’s Job Market 08:00 — Importance of Networking and Recruiter Communities 16:00 — How to Approach Networking Events Without Being Awkward 24:00 — Starting His Own Recruiter Community 34:00 — Fighting AI Fraud in Global Hiring 40:00 — How Recruiters Should Be Using AI 43:00 — Upcoming Events and Where to Find Glenn About Glenn Lindley Glenn Lindley is a seasoned talent acquisition leader with over a decade of experience, including scaling Pubmatic through an IPO and leading recruiting at HighLevel. Based in California, Glenn has built a reputation for fostering strong recruiter communities, pioneering effective hiring practices, and staying ahead of tech trends impacting recruiting. He’s a vocal advocate for balancing technology and human connection in the hiring process and actively supports out-of-work recruiters through grassroots community events. Resource Links Glenn Lindley | LinkedIn PeopleTech Partners | Website PubMatic | Website HighLevel | Website About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does it really take to build a remote-first culture that actually works — not just one that’s an afterthought? How can AI become your secret weapon without losing the human touch in HR and recruiting? And what does “real candidate experience” even mean today? This week, Joel Lalgee sits down with Sarika Lamont, VP of People and Culture at Vidyard, for an absolute masterclass in recruiting, people leadership, and AI integration. Sarika doesn’t just talk theory — she’s actively leading the AI transformation at Vidyard and shares what companies should be thinking about now to stay competitive and human-centered. From how Vidyard builds intentional remote-first systems, to why documenting everything is critical, and how recruiters are using AI avatars to create a mind-blowing candidate journey, this conversation is pure gold. You’ll walk away with fresh ideas about AI enablement, building strong hiring processes, creating real culture (not just kombucha parties), and why understanding your business deeply is non-negotiable. If you’re a recruiter, talent leader, or job seeker who cares about what’s next, you won’t want to miss this episode with Sarika Lamont. This episode is brought to you by Interactive EQ, the immersive talent assessment platform that goes beyond the resume. Experience first-person, real-life scenarios that reveal how candidates actually respond—not just what they say. See it in action at interactiveEQ.com and let them know Joel sent you.  In this episode: 00:02 – Introduction and Setting the Stage 00:39 – Meet Sarika Lamont and Her Role at Vidyard 02:00 – Remote-First vs. Forced Work-From-Home Companies 03:31 – Redefining Company Culture Beyond Perks 05:00 – Communication and Documentation in a Remote-First Setup 07:15 – The Energy Shift for Extroverts in Remote Work 08:15 – In-Person Company Events and Growth Strategy 10:11 – The Power of Values in Vidyard’s Community 11:00 – How to Hire for Culture and Values About Sarika Lamont Sarika Lamont is the Vice President of People and Culture at Vidyard, a Canadian-based video platform for business communication. With over two decades of HR and leadership experience, she specialises in talent acquisition, organisational development, and driving strong company culture. Sarika currently leads Vidyard’s transition into a fully remote-first company while focusing on building scalable, people-first strategies. Resource Links Sarika Lamont | LinkedIn Vidyard | Official Website About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if the key to unlocking the future of recruitment lies not in cutting-edge technology, but in the timeless power of human connection? Could AI, with all its promise, actually be widening the gap between recruiters and the candidates they seek? And in a world where side hustles are on the rise and trust is harder to earn, how can recruiters and job seekers alike navigate the ever-shifting landscape of the job market?  In this  episode of Recruiting is No Joke, we get real about the challenges and opportunities in the world of talent acquisition. Today, host Joel Lalgee is joined by Anna Taylor, Director of Global Talent Acquisition at Semperis , a leading cybersecurity software vendor. Together, they’re unpacking some of the biggest trends shaping recruitment right now—from the rise of AI tools to the enduring importance of human connection.   Anna shares her personal journey into recruitment and why she believes that, despite all the tech advancements, the heart of hiring still comes down to people. They dive into the unique challenges of recruiting in the cybersecurity sector, the impact of hybrid work models, and how to spot fraudulent candidates in an age of increasingly sophisticated scams.   But it’s not all about the challenges—Anna and Joel also share practical advice for job seekers, like how to craft a resume that stands out (hint: clarity and authenticity are key) and why networking is still one of the most powerful tools for career growth. Plus, they tackle the rise of side hustles and what it means for employers trying to build trust with their teams.   Whether you’re a recruiter, a hiring manager, or someone navigating the job market, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss. Let’s get into it! In this episode: (00:03) – Introduction to the podcast (01:06) – Guest introduction (01:55) – Anna's role at Semperis (02:31) – Team structure and hiring (02:58) – Remote vs. hybrid work preferences (04:14) – Personal experiences with work models (05:36) – Challenges of remote work (09:23) – Recruitment journey (11:30) – Previous experience in HR tech (12:27) – Learning curve in tech recruitment (13:43) – Growth of cybersecurity industry (15:10) – Impact of AI on recruitment (16:45) – The disruption of recruiting (18:02) – The adrenaline rush of placement (19:09) – AI in recruitment tools (20:41) – Fake employees in interviews (21:50) – Identifying fraudulent resumes (22:16) – Consistent LinkedIn profiles (23:16) – Security breaches during hiring (24:24) – Application volume and resume trends (25:16) – What recruiters look for in resumes (26:10) – The importance of professional experience (27:13) – Matching resumes to job descriptions (28:07) – Resume length and relevance (29:25) – Professional summary considerations (29:32) – Understanding candidate potential   (30:26) – AI in recruiting challenges   (32:09) – Rise of side hustles   (33:15) – Screening for side hustles   (35:52) – Personal branding and networking   (37:25) – Advice for career starters   (38:44) – Networking strategies   (40:58) – Upcoming events and conferences   (41:46) – Connecting with the company   (42:48) – Long-term networking   About Anna Taylor  Anna Taylor is the Director of Global Talent Acquisition at Semperis, a cybersecurity software vendor specializing in hybrid identity protection. Since joining in January 2022, she has played a pivotal role in scaling the company from 140 to 500 employees across multiple global locations. With a background in HR tech and startup environments, Anna brings a deep understanding of talent acquisition, operations, and workforce strategy. She is passionate about building strong recruitment teams, navigating the challenges of global hiring, and ensuring a seamless candidate experience. Anna is also a strong advocate for ethical hiring practices, particularly in an era of AI-driven recruitment and increasing cybersecurity threats. Anna Taylor Social Media LinkedIn Semperis About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can bootcamps really transform your tech career? You’ve seen the bold claims—“Land a six-figure tech job in just 12 weeks!” Sounds like a dream, but is it too good to be true? With bootcamps becoming a popular shortcut into tech, it’s time to ask: do they really work, or are they just another overhyped trend?   In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee chats with Daniel Odegaard, head of talent acquisition at TripleTen, an IT bootcamp. They break down Daniel’s journey from agency to corporate recruiting, offering an insider’s perspective on the differences between the two. More importantly, they dive into the real role of recruiters, the power of candidate coaching, and whether bootcamps actually help people transition into tech careers.   Daniel doesn’t sugarcoat things—he talks about the importance of setting clear career goals, managing expectations, and doing your homework before jumping into a bootcamp. They also explore how AI is reshaping customer service, including Klarna’s CEO’s warning that AI could replace human jobs. While AI is great for efficiency, they discuss its shortcomings in empathy, human connection, and customer experience.   So, is a bootcamp your ticket to a tech career, or is there more to the story? Tune in to find out! And if you’re serious about breaking into tech, don’t forget to subscribe for more expert insights on navigating the job market. In this episode: (00:03) Introduction to the podcast   (00:36) Guest introduction   (01:23) Daniel's background   (02:10) First job in recruitment   (04:45) Transitioning to corporate talent acquisition   (06:27) Understanding recruitment incentives   (07:34) Recruiters and candidate support   (09:13) Value of paid services   (10:12) Transitioning into tech   (11:27) Advice for job seekers   (12:38) Challenges of entering big tech   (14:02) Understanding job market dynamics   (15:47) Managing expectations in career transitions   (17:35) Red flags in recruitment   (18:44) Understanding program commitments   (20:12) The tech job landscape   (21:43) Long-term outlook on tech hiring   (23:16) Reality of dream jobs   (25:57) Skills for the future   (28:40) AI's impact on employment (29:50) Klarna CEO's warning on AI   (30:46) Human vs. AI in customer service   (32:52) Empathy in customer service   (32:19) Quality assurance challenges   (33:46) AI’s strengths and limitations   (34:59) Skepticism towards AI   (35:34) Empathy simulation in AI   (36:29) Disconnect in customer service   (37:20) Mental health and technology   (39:35) The future of human-centric companies   (40:08) Rise of smaller companies   (41:06) Impact of layoffs on customer relationships   (42:25) Cultural shift towards micro communities   (43:53) Parenting and technology boundaries   (45:47) Disconnect from corporate leadership   (47:26) Convenience vs. human connection   (49:08) Conclusion and resources   About Daniel Odegaard Daniel Odegaard is a senior recruiter at TripleTen, an international company specializing in tech education and career transitions. At TripleTen, Daniel plays a pivotal role in guiding individuals from diverse backgrounds into successful tech careers. His expertise lies in understanding the nuances of both agency and corporate recruitment, allowing him to effectively support candidates through their career transitions. Daniel Odegaard Social Media LinkedIn  Website  About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee sits down with Ginette Harvey, a seasoned talent acquisition expert with nearly two decades in the industry. Ginette shares her journey from unexpectedly falling into recruitment to leading a multi-million dollar business, launching her own diversity consultancy, and now building a global blockchain talent acquisition company. The conversation dives deep into the power of human connection in an AI-driven world, the importance of social selling, and how recruitment businesses must pivot in the face of changing technology. Ginette also opens up about the challenges of scaling a company, hiring the right talent, and why she believes business success boils down to having a solid, repeatable formula. And of course, we couldn’t ignore the latest buzz in the business world! Joel and Ginette unpack Elon Musk’s controversial email demanding federal employees justify their jobs, the shifting dynamics of leadership, and Klarna’s embarrassing AI blunder—where the company laid off two-thirds of its customer service team, only to realize humans are still essential. If you’re in recruiting, leadership, or just love a good industry shake-up, this episode is packed with insights, laughs, and a no-nonsense look at where work is headed. In this episode: (00:00:03) Introduction to the Podcast (00:01:03) Guest Introduction (00:01:45) Ginette’s Recruitment Journey (00:02:58) Setting Up a U.S. Business (00:03:22) Transition to Consulting (00:04:24) Global Nature of Blockchain (00:06:06) Importance of Human Connection (00:06:52) AI's Impact on Recruitment (00:08:16) Building Relationships Post-Pandemic (00:09:20) Adaptability in Recruitment (00:11:05) Success Formula in Recruitment (00:13:01) Hiring Practices and Turnover (00:15:35) Market Challenges and Opportunities (00:16:56) Adapting Business Development Strategies (00:18:43) Agility in Business (00:19:53) News Discussion: Elon Musk's Email (00:20:54) The Importance of Motivation in the Workplace (00:22:32) The Impact of Leadership Styles (00:26:26) The Role of AI in Customer Service (00:27:23) Reality Check on AI Chatbots (00:30:05) Balancing AI and Human Interaction (00:35:37) The Value of Human Connections (00:37:17) Guiding Principles for Relationship Building (00:39:11) The Lost Art of Adding Value (00:40:13) Upcoming Events in Blockchain and AI (00:41:01) Connecting with Jeanette (00:41:22) Closing Remarks (00:41:54) Final Thoughts About Ginnette Harvey Ginnette Harvey is a seasoned recruitment entrepreneur with over 17 years of experience in the staffing industry. In 2021, she co-founded BlocHaus, a leading blockchain recruitment firm dedicated to connecting exceptional talent with pioneering organizations in the blockchain sector. Prior to founding BlocHaus, Ginnette played a pivotal role in the growth of SThree's North American business, serving as a founding member and ascending to the executive team and U.S. board during her 15-year tenure.  In 2021, she launched Harper & Gray, a company committed to helping organizations diversify their workforce and promote diversity, equity, and inclusion (DE&I) in the workplace.  Recognized for her contributions to the staffing industry, Ginnette was named one of the top 100 most influential leaders in staffing in North America by Staffing Industry Analysts. She also serves on the Women's Leadership Council for the American Staffing Association and is a certified professional coach. Through her ventures, Ginnette continues to drive positive change by fostering inclusive environments and connecting top talent with forward-thinking companies. About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Ginnette Harvey  Social Media LinkedIn Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever applied for the perfect job, only to realize it never really existed? What if the job market isn’t just competitive—but haunted? Across job boards and career sites, ghost jobs linger—positions that were never meant to be filled or were quietly abandoned by companies. But job seekers aren’t the only ones being deceived. Fake candidate profiles are also flooding the market, leaving recruiters chasing applicants who don’t exist. These digital phantoms—jobs and candidates alike—waste time, drain energy, and blur the line between reality and illusion. Are you applying for a job that was never real? Or are recruiters screening candidates who don’t even exist? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee sits down with Stephen McGrath, Product Experience Manager at Poetry, to uncover the truth about ghost jobs and their impact on candidates. With over 15 years in recruitment—spanning agency, RPO, and in-house roles—Stephen shares deep industry insights, breaking down the role of RPO and ATS systems, the rise of AI in hiring, and the growing disconnect between companies and job seekers. Joel and Stephen also tackle the recruitment industry’s biggest challenges—including layoffs, technology shifts, and the often misunderstood role of recruiters. They explore how humor, authenticity, and video content can reshape recruiters’ reputations while bridging the gap between candidates and employers. From harsh candidate feedback to the realities of modern hiring, this episode dives deep into the evolving world of recruitment—offering transparency, empathy, and a fresh perspective on the future of hiring. In this episode: (00:00:03) – Introduction to the episode (00:01:06) – Guest introduction: Stephen McGrath (00:02:04) – Understanding RPO (00:03:34) – Role of ATS (00:03:37) – Overview of Canada ID (00:04:39) – Introduction to ghost jobs (00:05:56) – Candidate experience issues (00:07:22) – Overview of Poetry (00:08:58) – AI in recruitment (00:09:50) – Evaluating AI tools (00:12:32) – Challenges in recruitment processes (00:17:54) – Trends in contract work (00:19:23) – Recruitment technology insights (00:20:08) – Job market dynamics (00:20:48) – Layoff patterns (00:21:48) – Transparency in business (00:23:01) – Employee loyalty and stability (00:24:03) – Cultural misrepresentation (00:25:32) – Recruiter challenges (00:27:39) – Caring in recruitment (00:29:02) – Career guidance initiatives (00:29:56) – The recruiter's care (00:30:50) – Recruiters' bad rap (00:31:27) – Hurtful comments (00:31:52) – Disgruntled candidate reads (00:32:37) – Changing the narrative (00:33:21) – Authenticity in recruitment (00:34:44) – Video content focus (00:36:37) – Humor in recruitment (00:37:54) – Connecting with candidates (00:40:07) – Final thoughts and advice About Stephen McGrath Stephen McGrath is a seasoned recruitment professional and technology innovator based in Glasgow, Scotland. With over 15 years of experience in the industry, he has worked across agency, RPO, and in-house recruitment before transitioning into recruitment technology. Stephen played a key role in building Canada ID, which was later acquired by Isomers. Now, as the product experience manager at Poetry, he focuses on gathering feedback and refining technology to enhance the recruitment process. Passionate about improving recruiter efficiency, Stephen continues to bridge the gap between recruitment and cutting-edge technology. Stephen McGrath Social Media LinkedIn Website About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered if the increasing reliance on AI in hiring is slowly eroding the very human touch that makes recruitment so personal? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, Joel Lalgee sits down with Jessica Begley, COO of Very, to explore key topics such as recruitment trends, employee engagement, and the role of AI in the workforce. Jessica shares her journey from Chief People Officer to Chief Operating Officer and emphasizes the importance of treating employees as individuals. The discussion covers strategies for engaging a remote workforce, the risks of AI implementation, and the crucial need for upskilling in the evolving job market. They also address recent layoffs at Workday and Meta, underscoring the emotional toll and the need for transparent communication. The conversation delves into job market segmentation, discussing the challenges faced by skilled workers, wisdom workers, and knowledge workers, while also addressing issues like overqualification for entry-level roles and the impact of job report revisions on economic decisions. Finally, they offer practical advice for job seekers on the power of networking and building meaningful professional relationships. In this episode: (00:00:03) Introduction to the episode (00:01:38) Guest introduction (00:03:03) Jessica's career journey (00:04:41) Importance of people in business (00:09:26) Engagement strategies (00:10:38) Creating a people-centric culture (00:13:45) Intentionality in engagement (00:15:34) Recent layoffs discussion (00:16:01) Impact of AI on jobs (00:17:56) Identifying replaceable jobs (00:19:33) AI in corporate strategy (00:20:18) Implications of AI on workforce (00:21:12) Upskilling employees (00:22:14) Zapier's hiring philosophy (00:23:40) Meta layoffs and employee perception (00:24:20) Communication and transparency issues (00:25:31) Skill set definition challenges (00:29:57) Understanding job segmentation (00:30:03) Challenges for wisdom workers (00:30:41) Networking for executive roles (00:31:10) The role of knowledge workers (00:32:01) Job growth analysis (00:33:01) Hiring challenges in trades (00:34:15) Overqualification issues (00:34:36) Job report revisions (00:36:03) Economic decisions impact (00:37:07) Interconnected economic systems (00:38:28) Government worker exits (00:39:09) Networking advice (00:41:27) Long game mentality in networking (00:42:23) In-person interaction opportunities (00:43:09) Sustainable networking practices (00:45:24) Closing remarks About Jessica Begley Jessica Begley is the COO of Very, a leading provider of IoT hardware services. With a diverse background in human resources, Jessica transitioned from Chief People Officer to Chief Operating Officer, bringing her expertise in people management, employee engagement, and organizational development. She is passionate about fostering people-centric cultures and navigating the evolving landscape of technology and recruitment. Jessica Begley  Social Media LinkedIn Website About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A job seeker submits their application. They wait. And wait. But there’s no call, no email—just silence. What they don’t know is that their fate was sealed in milliseconds, judged by AI-driven algorithms they’ll never see, for reasons they’ll never understand. Are we witnessing a revolution that will elevate recruitment to new heights? Or are we on the verge of losing the human touch in hiring forever?  In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, Joel Lalgee sits down with Matt Pietsch to unravel the truth behind recruitment’s rapid evolution. With decades of experience in human capital management, Matt has seen it all—the rise of cutting-edge HR tech, the fragmentation of applicant tracking systems, and the growing pains of an industry struggling to keep up with change. But with AI transforming hiring at an unprecedented pace, one question looms large: Are we making recruitment more efficient, or are we losing the personal touch that truly makes a difference? Matt and Joel dive deep into the current job market, exposing the hidden challenges candidates face and the technology gaps recruiters must overcome. Can a more unified system bring order to the chaos? And in a world where automation is king, how do we keep genuine human relationships at the heart of hiring? But that’s not all. The debate over remote work versus returning to the office is more intense than ever. How do companies measure productivity fairly? Are younger workers really craving in-person collaboration, or is flexibility the ultimate key to success? And what about working parents—how can they navigate a workforce that wasn’t built with them in mind? With fresh insights, bold predictions, and a no-nonsense look at the future of human capital management, this episode is a must-listen. The future of work is changing—are you ready to adapt? Let’s dive in! In this episode: (00:03) Introduction to the episode (01:12) Guest introduction (01:48) Matt's background in recruitment (02:01) Early recruitment experience (02:45) Client relationships in recruitment (03:15) Volume of calls in early career (04:32) Evolution of recruiter value (06:00) Face-to-face interactions in recruitment (07:21) Progression in Matt's career (08:26) Experience with startups (09:33) Understanding HR tech landscape (11:09) Innovation in ATS market (13:16) Total talent management concept (14:48) AI's impact on recruitment (15:29) Candidate experience challenges (17:18) Human interaction in recruiting (19:13) Disconnect in recruitment processes (20:14) The evolution of recruitment technology (21:36) The future of recruitment staffing (22:00) The impact of technology on human interaction (23:39) The importance of face-to-face interaction (24:36) Building an offline brand (25:37) Value over discounts in sales (26:06) Shifting focus to value in job applications (28:00) ROI in employment relationships (29:09) Changing dynamics of job security (29:40) Discussion on remote work (30:45) Deferred resignation announcement (31:47) Flexibility in work environments (32:42) Measuring productivity (33:36) Remote work benefits (34:36) Young workers' preferences (35:33) Impact of return-to-office mandates (36:34) Corporate decision-making (37:15) Commuting challenges (38:53) Childcare challenges (40:14) Measuring productivity challenges (41:05) Outlook for hiring market in 2025 (42:32) Networking opportunities (43:09) Closing remarks About Matt Pietsch Matt Pietsch is a C-Suite Executive, CRO / CSO / Advisor, with over 25 years of experience in Human Capital Management, HRTech, and innovative SaaS products businesses. He is a proven business transformer, revenue accelerator, and creator of exceptional shareholder value. Whether in a situation that requires restructuring, turnaround, accelerating a successful business, revamping the go-to-market strategy, or global expansion, he positions companies for success, including exit. Matt Pietsch Social Media LinkedIn Website About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Mentioned  Article on Human Capital Management / HR Tech Recruiting Market HR Tech Conferences Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recent Gallup findings show employee engagement is at its lowest in a decade, even worse than during the pandemic. In this thought-provoking episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee sits down with Josh Drean, co-author of "Employment is Dead: How Disruptive Technologies are Revolutionizing the Way We Work." Together, they dive deep into the seismic shifts reshaping the modern workplace, from the lingering effects of the "Great Resignation" and "Quiet Quitting" to the growing chasm between corporate profits and employee compensation. Josh and Joel explore the critical role of employee experience design in fostering engagement and retention, particularly as younger generations redefine their relationships with work. They challenge traditional corporate practices, arguing that companies must prioritize employee well-being and adapt to evolving workforce expectations to thrive in the long term. The conversation takes a hard look at the pitfalls of traditional employee engagement surveys, using a striking example of employees being fired after an "anonymous" feedback session. This underscores the urgent need for trust, transparency, and actionable change in workplace culture. Looking ahead, Josh and Joel envision a future of work powered by decentralized, skill-based employment models enabled by web3 technologies. They discuss how these innovations could democratize opportunities and redefine the employer-employee relationship. The episode wraps up with Josh sharing insights from his book and promoting his upcoming events, while Joel encourages listeners to join the conversation and rethink the future of work. Let’s dive in!   In this episode: (00:00:03) Introduction to the Episode (00:01:36) Guest Introduction (00:02:20) Overview of the Book (00:02:50) Employee Engagement Trends (00:03:55) Reflection on 2021 (00:05:57) Employee Experience Design (00:07:18) Culture vs. Employee Satisfaction (00:08:34) Short-Term Gains vs. Workforce Needs (00:09:58) Shifts in Employee Mindset (00:11:10) Rise of Content Creation (00:12:50) Bank CEO Salaries vs. Employee Raises (00:13:08) Employee Frustrations at JPMorgan Chase (00:15:55) The Contractual Nature of Employment (00:16:56) Resentment in the Workforce (00:17:54) Job Market Realities (00:18:04) Employee Retention vs. Engagement (00:19:37) HR Limitations and Automation (00:20:18) Diversity and Inclusion News (00:21:31) Impact of Political Changes on D&I (00:22:05) Equity in the Workplace (00:23:26) Generational Divide in HR Perspectives (00:24:24) Corporate Compliance and D&I Efforts (00:26:38) Public Perception of D&I Value (00:28:04) Future of D&I Over the Next Four Years (00:28:42) Rise of the Gig Economy (00:29:50) The Importance of Trust in Employee Surveys (00:30:16) The Consequences of Honesty (00:31:42) The Disconnect in Workplace Culture (00:32:40) Employee Expectations vs. Reality (00:34:57) The Creator Economy as a Model (00:39:44) The Future of Work and Decentralization (00:41:06) Skill Verification and Employment Dynamics (00:44:04) The Role of Education in Freelancing (00:45:12) Promoting Engagement and Connection About Josh Drean Josh Drean is a visionary leader in the future of work, employee experience, and decentralized work models. As a co-author of "Employment is Dead", Josh challenges traditional workplace paradigms and advocates for innovative approaches to employee engagement and satisfaction. With a deep understanding of the evolving work landscape, he explores how emerging technologies, such as web3 and the gig economy, are reshaping the way we work and connect. Josh is passionate about empowering individuals to thrive in decentralized work environments and is a strong proponent of skill verification and education as tools for success in the modern economy. Through his thought leadership, speaking engagements, and writing, Josh inspires organizations and individuals to rethink work culture, embrace equity, and build trust in the workplace. About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships.   Recruiting is No Joke Social Media ● LinkedIn ● Website ● Instagram ● TikTok   ● X (formerly Twitter   Josh Drean Social Media ● LinkedIn ● Website   Mentioned Book: Employment Is Dead: How Disruptive Technologies Are Revolutionizing the Way We Work  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Want to know how a global restaurant chain hires 1,500+ employees while battling an industry notorious for turnover?  In this episode, Joel chats with Chrystal Gualtieri, the Global Talent Acquisition Leader at CKE Restaurants—the powerhouse behind Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s. They dive into the ins and outs of recruiting in the fast-paced hospitality world and explore how recruiters can keep things human in an age dominated by technology and templates. Chrystal takes us through her fascinating journey, from handling high-volume nonprofit hiring to steering talent acquisition in a corporate setting. She breaks down the real reasons behind restaurant retention challenges and explains why even the smartest applicant tracking system can’t replace the warmth of genuine candidate care. Along the way, they discuss hot topics like the evolving role of hybrid work, AI’s place in the recruitment process, and even some resume red flags (yes, your email address might be giving you away!). With a mix of practical advice and real-world insights, Chrystal also reveals how she handles the pressure of managing multiple roles with just a spreadsheet, a smile, and a lot of grit. Whether you’re a seasoned recruiter or just curious about the behind-the-scenes of hiring in hospitality, this episode is packed with valuable nuggets that can help anyone navigating the recruitment maze with too much on their plate and not enough backup. In this episode: (00:00:03) Podcast introduction (00:01:15) Chrystal’s background and journey into recruitment (00:02:11) Sponsor message and recruitment tech (00:03:26) Chrystal’s early recruitment experience (00:04:38) Transition to corporate recruiting (00:05:17) Tech industry vs. hospitality industry (00:06:08) AI adoption in hospitality recruitment (00:08:23) Restaurant staffing and retention challenges (00:10:30) Corporate recruitment challenges (00:12:43) Hybrid work environment and candidate expectations (00:14:09) Building relationships in a hybrid office (00:16:41) Communicating hybrid work policies to candidates (00:20:53) Authenticity and AI in applications (00:22:36) Resume details and LinkedIn consistency (00:26:00) Candidate follow-up etiquette (00:28:21) Tracking job applications and networking (00:30:22) Candidate experience and tech limitations (00:33:23) Handling candidate rejections (00:36:40) Recruiter workload and full-cycle responsibilities (00:37:42) Connecting with Chrystal and closing remarks This episode is brought to you by HeyMilo AI, the conversational AI built for high-volume hiring. HeyMilo helps recruiters save hours by automating initial screens while delivering smooth, two-way interviews at scale. Book a demo at HeyMilo.ai and see why top teams trust it to elevate their brand. About Chrystal Gualtieri Chrystal Gualtieri is the Global Talent Acquisition Leader for CKE Restaurants, the parent company of Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s. With 1,500+ hires under her belt and nearly a decade of experience, Chrystal brings high-volume hustle and high-touch heart to every part of the recruiting process. She’s also a big believer in leading with empathy, staying tech-savvy but human-first, and celebrating every small win in a very big job. Chrystal Gualtieri LinkedIn  CKE Restaurants About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered what it takes to land a job in GovTech or defense tech? In this season-opening episode of Recruiting is No Joke host Joel Lalgee sits down with Tommy Weinert, recruitment lead and founder of Mount Indie, a dynamic agency specializing in government and defense tech recruiting. Tommy shares his unique journey into the world of clearance jobs, focusing on recruiting top-tier engineering talent for roles that require security clearances. From his beginnings in audiovisuals to now leading a thriving recruitment agency, Tommy reflects on the importance of speaking up, seizing opportunities, and adapting in a fast-paced, competitive industry. The conversation takes a deeper dive into the complexities of recruiting within a small, specialized candidate pool and how Mount Indie’s success stems from actively listening to clients and tailoring solutions. Tommy also opens up about the challenges of balancing confidence and imposter syndrome, emphasizing the value of taking risks for personal and career growth. But that’s not all. The episode explores some hot-button topics in today’s professional landscape, including diversity, equity, and inclusion (DE&I). The speakers examine the often-polarizing nature of DE&I discussions and how these conversations carry emotional weight in the workplace. They also touch on the appropriateness of sharing political views on LinkedIn, with a LinkedIn poll revealing that most respondents believe political discourse should be avoided on the platform. These reflections spark a larger conversation on maintaining professionalism while navigating sensitive topics in today’s digital world. Additionally, Tommy and Joel offer valuable job-seeking advice, emphasizing the importance of applying directly through company websites rather than relying solely on LinkedIn. This strategic approach, they argue, can significantly enhance engagement with potential employers and improve a candidate’s chances of standing out in a crowded job market. Tune in for a candid and insightful episode packed with actionable advice, career wisdom, and a fresh perspective on recruitment in a rapidly evolving world. Whether you’re a job seeker or an agency leader, this episode offers essential tips for navigating the complexities of today’s recruiting landscape. In this episode: (00:03) Introduction to the podcast (00:36) Announcement of new format (02:32) Guest introduction: Tommy Weinert (03:00) Insight into clearance jobs (04:03) Working with government contractors (04:20) Tommy's journey into recruitment (06:07) Imposter syndrome discussion (08:52) Starting own recruitment agency (10:11) Agency structure and growth (12:02) Current events and TikTok discussion (12:56) TikTok's ban and national security (14:01) Tommy's experience with TikTok (15:24) Mixed signals about TikTok (17:39) Reflections on data security (19:03) The impact of TikTok layoffs (19:36) Reactions to LinkedIn controversy (20:51) The risks of platform dependency (22:24) The need for content creation skills (24:11) Federal workers returning to office (25:12) Remote work trends post-COVID (26:24) Conflicting views on office return (27:09) Speculation on workforce reduction (28:14) Federal employee remote work statistics (29:19) Predictions for candidate pool chaos (29:53) DE&I polarization (31:42) Emotional nature of D&I (33:59) LinkedIn poll on politics (35:31) Impact of political discussions (36:27) Nuance in political conversations (40:45) Job-seeking strategies (42:41) Recruitment system disconnect About Tommy Weinert Tommy Weinert is the founder and president of Mount Indie, specializing in national security recruitment since 2008. His unique approach to recruiting focuses on aligning strategies with a company's goals, creatively enhancing talent, and streamlining processes. He also founded ShadowLabs, training recruiters in the cleared space. Tommy is a recognized expert, serving on the Advisory Panel for ClearanceJobs and speaking at key industry events like Sourcecon and Talent42. About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Tommy Weinert Social Media LinkedIn Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is the return-to-office trend finally losing steam? In this week’s episode, Joel Lalgee tackles a growing corporate misstep as companies like Dell struggle with flawed return-to-office policies that penalize parents and strain employee well-being. You’ll also hear a rare, heartwarming layoff story—yes, you read that right! Joel highlights how empathy can turn even the toughest moments into opportunities for growth. As Gen Z loses faith in traditional college paths, there’s a growing movement towards skilled trades. Joel dives into why more young people are choosing hands-on careers and how industries like construction are evolving to meet the demand. Plus, if you’re juggling multiple jobs or considering a side hustle, you’re not alone. Joel breaks down the rise in multi-job holders and what it means for the future of the workforce. Tune in for raw takes on the future of work, the return of layoffs, and why flexibility isn’t just a perk—it’s a necessity. Whether you’re a recruiter, job seeker, or curious about the trends reshaping work, this episode offers insights that will keep you ahead of the curve. In this episode: 00:04: Introduction to the episode 00:37: Overview of the week's episode 01:07: Meet the host, Joel Algee 01:35: New segment announcement and how to stay in touch 02:27: Sponsor message: Source Whale 03:58: Feel-good moment: Layoff with empathy 08:21: Thoughts on the return to office policies 13:42: Dell's childcare policy controversy 16:20: Final thoughts and call for feedback 16:36: Teens losing faith in college and rise in skilled trades 17:28: Rise in Vocational Programs 20:26: Introduction to Multiple Job Holders 22:31: Conclusion and Closing Remarks About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter This episode is brought to you by Sourcewhale, the ultimate platform for streamlining your recruitment process and connecting with top talent efficiently. Discover how Sourcewhale can transform your hiring strategy and empower your team to thrive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you a job seeker trying to find your way in today’s tricky job market? Let’s be real—networking can feel like the magic key to unlocking career opportunities, right? But with so many people competing for the same roles, what challenges are you bumping into? And how has remote work changed the game for us all? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee dives into the ever-changing landscape of recruitment and job searching. He highlights the vital role of networking and shares insights from the recent Breakfast USA event in Nashville. Joel also tackles the current job market hurdles, touching on a viral story about Summer Meyers’ unconventional LinkedIn strategy. He sheds light on economic narratives that often overlook the real struggles faced by job seekers and discusses the effects of return-to-office mandates. The episode goes further to explore generational workplace dynamics, the redefinition of professionalism, and the value of mentorship. Joel encourages you to think outside the box when job hunting. Ready to unlock your career potential? Tune in and discover strategies to help you stand out in this competitive landscape! In this episode: (00:03) Introduction to the episode (00:37) Live event experience (01:12) Value of networking (04:26) Viral job search story (08:01) Job market dynamics (10:43) Return to office mandate (13:46) Employee sentiment on office return (17:21) Generational workplace issues (19:15) Generational perspectives on professionalism (21:37) Mentorship in the workplace (22:35) Defining professionalism (23:31) Engagement with the audience (24:19) Podcast wrap-up and future plans About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Resource Links Summer Meyers' LinkedIn Profile Yahoo Article on Job Market This episode is brought to you by Sourcewhale, the ultimate platform for streamlining your recruitment process and connecting with top talent efficiently. Discover how Sourcewhale can transform your hiring strategy and empower your team to thrive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ready to dive deep into recruitment strategies and tech innovations that are shaping talent acquisition? In this special episode recorded live at RecFest USA, Joel Lalgee sits down with Amy Cropper from TriCentis, Asud Anderson from Equinix, and Brian Fink from McAfee. You’ll hear unfiltered insights on how these leaders are using AI to revolutionize sourcing, build global talent pipelines, and address the ever-changing landscape of recruiting. Brian Fink kicks things off by sharing how McAfee’s AI-driven deepfake detection is enhancing tech hiring and protecting digital identities. He emphasizes the value of staying excited in the recruiting field and the impact of building tech teams aligned with a strong mission. Amy Cropper then delves into strategies for transforming hiring at a scaling B2B company, sharing candid advice on navigating challenges when budgets are tight, and the power of transparency in attracting top talent. Asad Anderson wraps up by exploring how Equinix manages global sourcing through personalized outreach, data-driven strategies, and the art of building trust with passive candidates. He shares practical tips for crafting authentic employer branding and ensuring your EVP resonates across diverse global markets. Don’t miss these actionable takeaways and expert perspectives on what’s next in talent acquisition! In this episode: 00:00:04: Introduction to the episode 00:00:37: Recap of last week's live interviews 00:01:20: Introduction of guests for this episode 00:02:04: Live from RecFest USA 00:02:22: Interview with Brian Fink from McAfee Security 00:02:57: Discussion on the September surge in recruitment 00:03:30: Brian Fink on McAfee's new deep fake detector 00:04:41: Insights from RecFest and the importance of D&I 00:05:47: Recruitment marketing and employer branding 00:06:34: Strategies for building community in recruitment marketing 00:08:43: How to start with content creation for talent leaders 00:09:36: Using mediums like Medium for engaging developers 00:10:41: Employer branding mistakes and using video 00:12:13: Crafting job descriptions and storytelling 00:13:47: Future of recruitment skills and technology 00:15:51: Introduction to AI and Personalization 00:16:13: Strategies for Authentic Communication 00:17:15: Techniques for Personal Video Messaging 00:17:33: Predictions for 2025 in Hiring 00:19:01: Where to Find Brian Fink Online 00:21:45: Introduction to Amy Cropper from TriCentis 00:23:41: Discussing AI at RecFest 00:24:39: Automating Basic Recruiting Tasks 00:25:03: Use Cases and AI in Recruiting 00:26:12: Transformations at TriCentis 00:26:55: Preparing for Future Growth 00:27:49: Key Strategies for New Leadership Roles 00:29:16: Engaging Candidates with a Growth Story 00:30:31: Honest Conversations About Startups 00:30:33: Discussion on layoffs and the unpredictability of the job market 00:31:01: Advice on personal development and networking for job seekers 00:31:23: Growing a company in uncertain times 00:31:30: Thoughts and predictions for the talent acquisition space in 2025 00:32:21: Strategies for optimizing existing resources 00:33:03: Benefits of networking and attending conferences 00:33:54: Changes observed in conferences compared to the previous year 00:34:08: Anticipation for upcoming conference sessions 00:34:40: Introduction to Asud Anderson and the company Equinix 00:36:11: Trends in global hiring and the commoditization of job searches 00:37:24: Research and data-driven approach to sourcing talent 00:38:36: Targeted sourcing and defining the role of sourcing 00:40:14: Managing and expanding global talent pools 00:41:13: Authentic messaging and employer brand 00:42:38: Importance of an individualized candidate experience 00:43:37: Maintaining authenticity and continuous candidate engagement 00:44:47: Personalizing AI Messages 00:45:41: Importance of Analytics in Recruitment 00:47:13: Unique AI Use Case - Covey 00:49:01: Big Bet for 2025 in Talent Acquisition 00:51:19: Connecting with Asud Anderson 00:52:12: Closing Remarks ******************************************************** This episode is brought to you by Built In. As the premier online community for national startups and tech companies, Built In connects you with exciting startup job opportunities, the latest tech news, and events happening in the national tech scene. Resources Amy Cropper Asud Anderson Brian Fink TriCentis Equinix McAfee Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter About Joel Lalgee Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Learn more about your ad choices. 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Did you know that your employer brand could be the game-changer in attracting top talent today? In the latest episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee dives into the exciting world of employer branding with insights from industry pros like Maria Katris (Built In), Tannum Sullivan(Golden Hippo), and Celinda Appleby (Visa). Broadcasting live from Breakfast USA in Nashville, Joel and his guests discuss how recruitment has transformed from a simple transaction to a savvy marketing strategy. Maria highlights how candidates are now doing their homework on companies just like they would when making a big purchase. This makes building brand awareness and keeping potential candidates engaged super important, even when you're not hiring. Tannum shares why it’s crucial for recruiters to focus on building real relationships with candidates. Personal touches and valuable content can make all the difference! Celinda chimes in on the need for authenticity in employer branding, reminding us that what you promise during recruitment should align with the actual employee experience. Authentic stories and consistent messaging are key to winning trust. Want to know how AI fits into all this? Tune in to Recruiting is No Joke and don’t forget to subscribe for more insights on navigating the future of recruiting! In this episode: (00:36) Live interviews at Breakfast USA (02:25) Maria Katris introduction (03:14) Recruitment as marketing (05:13) Candidate awareness and engagement (06:48) Shifting mindsets in recruitment (08:54) Challenges in implementing new strategies (10:21) Building community and talent pools (14:01) Global recruitment trends (16:26) Content creation for global markets (18:02) Authenticity in employer branding (18:17) Employer engagement through raw video (19:14) Market differences in recruitment (19:52) Future of recruitment technology (20:42) Resources for recruiters (21:14) Power of video content (22:05) Introduction to Golden Hippo (23:39) Building employer brand from scratch (24:27) Impact of employer branding on hiring (24:50) Getting leadership buy-in (26:10) Measuring employer branding success (27:22) Common employer branding mistakes (28:45) Authenticity in employer branding (31:10) AI in employer branding (33:04) Pitfalls of using AI (34:34) Encouraging employee participation (35:41) Employer branding and career videos (36:52) Recruitment strategy integration (37:27) Finding Golden Hippo (38:43) Future of recruitment marketing (39:44) Using Gen AI in recruitment (41:02) Common employer branding mistakes (41:58) Balancing aspirational and authentic branding (43:23) Focus group strategies (44:20) Leadership challenges in recruitment (45:00) Talent attraction metrics (45:35) Team structure in talent attraction (46:08) Video content in recruitment (47:52) Future of employer branding (49:04) Tracking candidate journey Maria Katris Social Media LinkedIn Built In Tannum Sullivan Social Media LinkedIn Golden Hippo Celinda Appleby Social Media LinkedIn Visa This episode is brought to you by Built In. As the premier online community for national startups and tech companies, Built In connects you with exciting startup job opportunities, the latest tech news, and events happening in the national tech scene. About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are we truly witnessing job growth, or is it just another statistical illusion? The U.S. August jobs report claims 142,000 new positions and a dip in unemployment to 4.2%, but can we really trust these figures? Is the much-anticipated September surge on the horizon, or simply wishful thinking? And why are recruiter job postings climbing when so many Australians are taking on multiple jobs just to get by? Could this be a sign of economic resilience—or a red flag we’re overlooking? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke host Joel Lalgee takes a closer look at the August jobs report, questioning the accuracy of the numbers and warning that revisions could be coming. He challenges the idea that 142,000 jobs were actually created and stresses the importance of digging deeper into the data for a clearer understanding of the job market. Joel also explores the emotional toll job searching can take, sharing the struggles of job seekers who face rejection after countless applications. He offers practical advice on staying resilient and tips for those labeled "overqualified" to better tailor their applications and showcase their true value. Wrapping up, Joel discusses the growing trend of people in Australia balancing multiple jobs and the risk of burnout that comes with it.  Curious to know what these trends mean for your career or business? Tune in to Recruiting is No Joke, and don’t forget to subscribe for more insights on navigating today’s complex job market! In this episode: (01:16) August jobs report discussion (01:46) August jobs report video (02:53) Job market skepticism (03:36) Job seeker experiences video (05:28) Job search challenges highlighted (06:35) Analysis of job types added (08:32) Understanding unemployment rate (10:12) Critique of common job search advice (12:07) Job market realities (13:55) Economic overview and layoffs to cut costs (14:53) Introduction to September surge (16:29) Reality check on September surge (18:39) Conclusion on job market trends (19:27) Discussing the August jobs report (21:14) Emerging job trends in Australia (22:08) Impact of extra jobs on workers (23:40) Closing remarks and future topics About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Resources Video: US Adds 142,000 Jobs in August, Unemployment Rate 4.2% Greglangstaff September Surge Video Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered how a seemingly thriving workplace could conceal a tragedy, or if your job security is at risk due to layoffs and deceptive scams? What if a radical shift like a four-day workweek could transform our work lives, or if massive strikes signal a desperate need for change in how we treat our workforce? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, Joel Lalgee explores pivotal stories and trends affecting the recruitment industry. He begins with a tragic case where a Wells Fargo employee was found dead at her desk after four days, sparking a critical discussion about corporate culture and employee well-being. Joel then introduces "career cushioning," a proactive strategy for preparing for potential layoffs, and offers practical advice on effective networking. He also touches on the recent Labor Day strikes in U.S. hotels, highlighting growing concerns over worker conditions and their broader industry impact. Additionally, Joel examines Japan's potential move to a four-day workweek and raises awareness about job offer scams. Throughout the episode, Joel incorporates personal anecdotes with industry insights, urging listeners to stay informed and take control of their careers. In this episode: (02:15) Wells Fargo tragedy (05:13) Career cushioning  (08:05) Networking strategies (13:32) Four-day workweek in Japan (16:16) Job offer scams warning (18:05) Labor Day strike (18:58) Hospitality worker shortage (19:52) Teaching job challenges (20:44) Healthcare worker issues (21:36) Manufacturing job realities (22:30) Need for better job incentives (23:20) AI and automation in the workforce (24:04) Wrap-up and future topics About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Resources News Article: Wells Fargo Employee Found Dead Japan's Four-Day Workweek Proposal News Article: Labor Day Strikes in U.S. Hotels This episode is brought to you by Sourcewhale, the ultimate platform for streamlining your recruitment process and connecting with top talent efficiently. Discover how Sourcewhale can transform your hiring strategy and empower your team to thrive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did you know that the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has overestimated job numbers by nearly a million since March? In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee discusses the job market, recruitment practices, and job seekers' challenges. He begins by thanking listeners for their support following the podcast's rebranding, which boosted downloads. Joel then critiques the Bureau of Labor Statistics for overestimating job numbers, highlighting the tougher-than-reported job market. He also explores "ghost jobs," where companies post openings without intent to hire, causing frustration for job seekers. Joel emphasizes the importance of realistic expectations and encourages proactive job searching. In this episode: (00:03) Introduction and rebranding (01:13) Job market statistics (02:24) The reality of job market (03:22) Playing a video on job market (06:06) Interest rates and job market validation (07:46) Concept of ghost jobs (09:06) Pipelining strategy  (13:26) Recruiter poll on ghost jobs (17:05) Job application strategies (19:01) The great resignation prediction (19:52) Counter offers on the rise (20:41) Job market shift (21:35) Future hiring trends (25:03) September surge discussion (27:38) Expectations for job seekers (30:31) Engagement and feedback invitation (31:24) Upcoming events and live sessions About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter This episode is brought to you by Sourcewhale, the ultimate platform for streamlining your recruitment process and connecting with top talent efficiently. Discover how Sourcewhale can transform your hiring strategy and empower your team to thrive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered how recruiters tackle the tough world of government contracting? Imagine the pressure of matching candidates to roles that require top security clearances, all while dealing with a job market that's anything but straightforward. In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee sits down with Benjamin Mena, the founder of Select  Source Solutions and host of the Elite Recruiter Podcast. They dive deep into the latest trends in recruitment, with a particular focus on the government contracting sector. Benjamin shares his insights on the challenges of filling specialized positions within government jobs and the complexities that arise with the USA Jobs portal. They also discuss the impact of AI on recruitment processes and job security, offering a glimpse into the future of recruitment roles as technology continues to evolve. The conversation shifts to the ongoing trend of layoffs in the tech industry, exploring its implications for both recruiters and job seekers. Benjamin emphasizes the importance of networking and uncovering hidden job markets, while also touching on the role of corporate culture and identity in job satisfaction and layoffs. The discussion also covers the evolving role of cover letters and why job seekers need to be proactive and adaptable in today’s job market. Tune in to gain valuable insights and strategies to enhance your recruitment efforts. In this episode: (01:29)  Benjamin's background (02:44)  Content creation discussion (04:40)  Government contracting insights (05:25)  Talent supply and demand (06:39)  Challenges in government job applications (07:34)  Remote work and government jobs (08:14)  Corporate office space dynamics (09:59)  Layoffs in the tech industry (11:00)  Impact of AI on employment (12:03)  Recruiting efficiency through AI (13:29)  Future of recruiting teams (14:47)  Short-term focus of companies (16:44)  Market predictions and economic outlook (17:17)  Impact of debt on layoffs (17:32)  AI's role in layoffs (18:06)  Fear of job loss (19:11)  Cultural impact of layoffs (19:36)  Corporate cost-cutting measures (20:35)  Corporate culture and profit (21:10)  Identity and work (21:39)  Preparing for layoffs (22:14)  Balancing work and life (22:42)  Remote work and cost of living (23:40)  Cover letters discussion (25:39)  Hiring managers' views on cover letters (26:59)  Poll on cover letters (30:32)  AI in job applications (31:12)  Interview AI tools (32:04)  Recruitment challenges (33:03)  Understanding the numbers game (33:55)  The dangers of "one itis" (34:35)  Maintaining a recruitment pipeline (36:47)  Hidden job market insights (37:43)  Job market realities (38:28)  Effective LinkedIn outreach (40:07)  Recruiters' true role (41:01)  Learning from mistakes (42:17)  Being specific in requests (45:11)  Avoiding open-ended questions (47:02)  Short and direct communication (48:38)  The reality of recruiter workloads (48:55)  The ideal recruitment process (49:03)  Corporate restructuring challenges (49:26)  Meeting overload in recruitment (49:49)  Improving recruitment efficiency (50:41)  Promoting the Elite Recruiter Podcast (51:08)  Time management on LinkedIn (51:26)  Balancing social media and family (51:58)  Understanding recruitment mindsets (52:48)  Closing remarks and future plans About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Benjamin Mena Social Media LinkedIn Website About Our Guest Benjamin Mena is a seasoned recruiter who began his career after earning an Economics degree from the University of Central Florida. Over 15 years, he led hiring efforts for major defense contracts, supporting some of the nation’s most complex government programs. In 2018, he founded Select Source Solutions, continuing his government support while expanding into consulting. Benjamin now leverages his economics background to guide employers in aligning recruitment practices with broader economic and tech trends. Outside of work, he enjoys running, exploring wine regions, and hosting The Elite Recruiter Podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you still clinging to the belief that a polished resume is your golden ticket to landing that dream job? It’s time to rethink. In today’s whirlwind of recruitment trends, LinkedIn updates, TikTok tips, and social media frenzy, your online presence is just as crucial as your resume. With giants like Salesforce, Walmart, and Zoom pushing people back to the office, and mouse jigglers surfacing amid heightened monitoring, not to mention the rising layoffs and burnout in healthcare, there’s so much more to consider. Ready to navigate this brutal job market?  In this episode of "Recruiting is No Joke," we dive into the complexities of today’s job market and how social media is reshaping recruitment. We kick off the conversation with a warm introduction to Lauren Surman, founder of LWL Consulting and our insightful co-host. The conversation explores the tension between social media and traditional resumes, particularly in light of a viral post suggesting that social media presence may outweigh resumes in hiring decisions. We analyze this notion, highlighting that while social media is crucial for visibility, resumes still hold significant value. We also cover the balancing act between client searches and business development, tackle the issue of burnout in healthcare, and offer guidance on addressing employment gaps. We wrap up by discussing return-to-office mandates, the role of leadership in cultivating office culture, and the benefits of in-person interactions. This episode provides a thorough look at the evolving recruitment landscape, blending practical insights with a touch of humor to help job seekers and recruiters navigate these challenging times. Tune in to discover actionable tips on balancing your social media presence with your resume, insights into overcoming burnout, and strategies for thriving in the current job market. In this episode: (01:03) Introduction to  Lauren Surman (02:10) Lauren's show overview (03:42) Lauren's business growth (04:19) Outbound recruitment strategies (05:33) Discussion on resume vs. social media  (07:09) Lauren's take on social media's importance vs resume (09:24) Impact of social media on hiring (10:37) LinkedIn poll results (14:07) Job market overview (15:47) Industry-specific hiring insights (18:07) The importance of part-time jobs (18:41) Navigating job interviews with side hustles (19:15) Bridge jobs and their value (19:47) Advice for presenting current work (20:39) Openness to employment gaps (21:49) Transparency in recruitment (23:02) Job market realities (25:33) Corporate job market trends (27:21) Return to office mandates (29:11) Tracking employee activity (30:42) Remote work preferences (31:41) Office dynamics and budget concerns (33:27) Leadership and office presence (35:26) Remote work and pizza (36:20) Preparing for layoffs (37:51) Job market anxiety (39:57) Candidate questions on layoffs (42:15) Chipotle's controversial LinkedIn promotion offering free food  (43:00) Misleading job applications (46:23) Recruitment and job boards (48:51) Closing remarks and Lauren's upcoming projects About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Lauren Surman LinkedIn Website Instagram Other Links & Mentions Chipotle Celebrity Status Card Lessons with Lauren Indy Star Article on Salesforce Friday Live with Lauren About Our Guest Lauren Surman is the Founder of LWL Consulting, a specialized recruiting agency excelling in SaaS, executive search, sales, and tech recruitment. Known for her "figure-it-out-no-matter-what" mentality, Lauren is magnetic, passionate, and earned the nickname "The Bad Girl of LinkedIn." Her diverse background—from hospitality to construction—equips her with a unique perspective and a well-rounded skill set. Lauren’s expertise in sales and tech recruitment, coupled with her engaging live show, "Friday Live with Lauren," offers fresh insights and keeps the industry connected and informed. She has managed teams of 100+, closed deals up to $1.2 million, and served as Mr. Marriott's personal server. Beyond work, she cherishes her role as a mom to her 6-year-old son, Axel, and enjoys golfing, spending time with her dogs, and beach sunrises. Her motto, "If I can't, my network can," reflects her belief in the power of collaboration and meaningful connections. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee welcomes Stephanie Murray, Senior Director of Talent at Brightside Health, for her first-ever podcast appearance. With nearly two decades in healthcare recruiting, Stephanie gets real about the state of the industry, the mental health hiring crisis, and what it takes to build a high-functioning, data-driven talent function. They dig into Brightside’s massive scale—from 20 clinicians to 1,200—and why sourcing, not job posts, drives most of their hires. Stephanie opens up about postpartum depression, the personal “why” behind her work, and the game-changing strategy of turning meet-and-greets into a pipeline goldmine. She also drops the playbook on Brightside’s award-winning Talent Collective and how adding free CEUs and wellness perks helped them build a community that actually converts. Plus, they tackle what AI, overregulation, and therapist burnout mean for the future of recruiting. Let’s jump in! In this episode: (00:00:03) Introduction (00:02:19) Stephanie’s background and Brightside Health overview (00:04:55) Scaling Brightside Health and data-driven hiring (00:06:56) Challenges in healthcare hiring (00:08:35) Recruitment marketing and sourcing strategies (00:10:37) Building the Brightside Talent Collective (00:11:37) Meet and greets and community engagement (00:13:17) Impact of the Talent Collective (00:14:34) Meet and greet structure and recruiter coaching (00:18:07) Community value and engagement tactics (00:19:17) Expanding to associate therapists and university outreach (00:20:48) Community growth and brand impact (00:22:04) Advice for building talent communities (00:24:03) Career advice for aspiring mental health professionals (00:26:03) Corporate hiring trends and market outlook (00:31:47) Application volume and candidate screening (00:32:51) Sourcing vs. waiting for applicants (00:33:38) Podcast wrap-up and where to connect About Stephanie Murray Stephanie Murray is the Senior Director of Talent at Brightside Health, a national leader in tele-mental health. With nearly 20 years of recruiting experience—most of it in healthcare—Stephanie now leads with a passion for building high-performing teams that truly care about making a difference. From launching talent communities to reducing time-to-hire through proactive engagement, she’s redefining what strategic recruiting looks like in a mission-driven, fast-growth company. Stephanie Murray LinkedIn  Brightside Health About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The job market is brutal right now, especially for folks in marketing and HR. Job scams are everywhere, AI is making things more complicated, and finding the right talent feels more competitive than ever. To top it off, some hiring practices are less than ideal, and many people are just not ready to leave their current jobs. It’s enough to make you wonder—are these so-called “ghost jobs” just setting us up for disappointment? Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," Joel hosts a solo episode packed with vital updates and insights. He starts by expressing gratitude to listeners and encouraging them to leave reviews. Exciting news follows: Rec Fest, a major recruitment event in Nashville, is just around the corner. Joel offers a discount code to make this valuable networking opportunity even more accessible. Joel also introduces a new community platform tailored for job seekers, designed to provide essential resources and support. He gives a shout-out to podcast sponsor Source Whale for their impactful recruitment tools. Reflecting on a recent Google ad for their AI tool, Gemini, Joel highlights a growing concern: while AI is marketed as a time-saver, many professionals find it adds to their workload and stress. In addition, Joel addresses the current job market, prevalent job scams, and the crucial role of remote work flexibility. He shares a poignant viral video of a young woman distressed by her high-pressure job, emphasizing the need for companies to cultivate empathy and support. Joel discusses how economic pressures, like rising inflation, contribute to workplace anxiety and stresses the importance of leaders checking in with their teams. Tune in, stay informed, and don’t miss out on the upcoming episode with our exciting guest host. In this episode: (00:03) Introduction and gratitude  (02:10) Rec Fest in Nashville and  discount code (02:36) Community platform for job seekers (03:09) SourceWhale Sponsorship acknowledgment (04:17) Discussion on AI and Google's Gemini (11:38) Job market insights (13:20) Talent pipelining (16:18) Walmart's return to office frustration (18:39) Corporate hiring trends (20:31) Anxiety in corporate culture (21:16) Impact of layoffs and workload (22:05) Inflation and employee stress (22:52) Empathy in leadership (23:41) Retention vs. job satisfaction (24:28) Community for job seekers (25:18) Closing remarks and gratitude About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter ****************************************************************************** This episode is brought to you by Sourcewhale, the ultimate platform for streamlining your recruitment process and connecting with top talent efficiently. Discover how Sourcewhale can transform your hiring strategy and empower your team to thrive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are we truly seeing the full picture when it comes to Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) and their role in hiring? Can algorithms really replace the nuance of human judgment? As AI continues to evolve, is it possible that we’re overlooking the essential human element in the hiring process? In this episode of "Recruiting is No Joke," we’re delighted to feature Mike Peditto, Director of Talent at Teal and known as "The Realistic Recruiter." Join us as we unravel the intricacies of recruitment, from the impact of Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) to the evolving role of AI in hiring. We dive into a thought-provoking LinkedIn post by Stephen Rothberg that critiques ATS filters for resume keywords and underscores the need for human oversight in the hiring process. We also explore the legal aspects of AI-driven decisions, the balance between technology and human judgment, and the significance of maintaining a polished online presence. Plus, discover how Teal empowers job seekers with essential tools and resources. Don’t miss a special segment where Mike shares insights from his podcast, "Corporate Pizza Party," co-hosted with industry experts. They offer a candid look at corporate life and practical job search advice, blending humor, honesty, and critical perspectives on the recruiting world. Tune in for an engaging discussion that promises both laughter and valuable takeaways. In this episode: (00:37) Introduction to Mike Peditto (02:02) Mike's content creation journey (03:40) Discussion on content creation (03:43) Corporate pizza party podcast (05:31) Recruitment content culture (06:21) LinkedIn post discussion (07:22) ATS technology and candidate ranking (09:00) Legal implications of AI in hiring (10:41) The role of recruiters in screening (14:10) AI screening tools (16:49) Quality vs. quantity of applicants (17:43) The future of recruitment tools (18:50) Poll results on AI in recruitment (19:37) Enhancing candidate experience (20:04) AI and resume screening (22:27) Authenticity in job applications (24:51) Interviewing techniques (26:57) Bias in hiring decisions (31:21) The role of recruiters (34:20) LinkedIn profile judgments (35:09) Petty hiring managers (36:11) The impact of LinkedIn photos (36:59) Recruiters' unwritten rules (38:51) Navigating content tone (41:15) Finding Mike Perdido online (42:05) Teal's mission and tools (43:31) How Mike's content creation journey led him to work with Teal. About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Mike Peditto LinkedIn Teal | LinkedIn Teal | Official Website Corporate Pizza Party | Official Website Corporate Pizza Party | Apple Podcasts About Our Guest Mike Peditto is the Director of Talent at Teal and a renowned content creator known as the Realistic Recruiter. With extensive experience in internal and agency recruitment, Mike’s no-nonsense approach has made him a sought-after voice in the industry. He co-hosts the “Corporate Pizza Party” podcast, where he discusses the realities of corporate life and job searching. Mike is dedicated to providing authentic and valuable advice to both recruiters and job seekers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever felt like searching for a job has become a full-time job in itself? With today's job market growing increasingly complex and brutal, it seems like every step toward securing employment is met with yet another hurdle. So, how do you navigate this treacherous terrain? And as an employer, how can you leverage platforms like LinkedIn to find the talent that stands out in this crowded field? Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we have the pleasure of speaking with Melissa Grabiner, a leading LinkedIn authority and talent acquisition expert. Melissa joins us to delve into the current job market and the hurdles job seekers are navigating today. We explore the tough realities facing job seekers, including a notable TikTok video that highlighted the experience of one candidate who faced 1,623 rejections. Melissa offers her expertise on crafting a compelling resume and LinkedIn profile, the importance of proactive job searching, and the impact of authenticity in content creation. We discuss the critical need for persistence, effective communication, and strategies for standing out in a crowded job market. Melissa challenges the misconception that using an "Open to Work" banner on LinkedIn makes candidates seem desperate, advocating instead that transparency about job searching is a strength. Despite the current challenges, Melissa remains hopeful that the job market will eventually tilt back in favor of candidates. She encourages job seekers to stay resilient and proactive, emphasizing that leveraging networks and taking initiative are essential for navigating these turbulent times. Tune in to gain valuable insights and strategies for your job search. And don’t forget to subscribe to "Recruiting is No Joke" for more expert advice and career tips. In this episode: (01:19) Introduction to Melissa Grabiner (02:46) Melissa's motivation for creating content on LinkedIn (05:49) The importance of authenticity (06:47) Monetizing content on LinkedIn (08:37) Building an audience takes time (10:51) Balancing multiple responsibilities (12:03) Melissa’s business helping job seekers  with resumes and LinkedIn optimization. (12:58) The challenges of content creation (15:08) Job market challenges (15:25) Reactions to a job seekers' story (17:40) Melissa's thoughts on job seekers' struggles (17:52) Importance of a strong resume and LinkedIn profile (18:47) Differentiating yourself in job applications (19:41) The value of follow-up messages (21:05) Proactive job searching (22:23) Shifts in job market dynamics (23:19) Candidate experience and ghosting (24:20) Candidate experience insights from UPS (25:18) Job searching vs. dating analogy (26:19)  LinkedIn open to work banner controversy (27:30) The reality of job searching (30:11) The importance of proactive networking (31:03) Job market trends and future outlook (32:40) Historical context of job market changes (34:29) The need for continued effort in job searching (35:25) LinkedIn support services (36:02) Finding the right help (36:29) Patience in networking (37:13) Local opportunities (37:47) Closing remarks About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Melissa Grabiner LinkedIn About Our Guest Melissa Grabiner is a distinguished HR and Talent Acquisition professional with over 30 years of experience, renowned for her expertise and thought leadership. As a 2X LinkedIn Top Voice in Job Search Strategies and Recruiting, she commands a following of over 352,000 and has achieved 2.1 million engagements and 194 million impressions on her posts in the past year. Melissa is ranked as the #2 Female LinkedIn Creator worldwide and has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Market Watch, and Times Square Billboard. She has created a strategic Talent Acquisition Function for Takeda Pharmaceuticals, managed 22 Talent Advisors with 0% attrition, and overseen hiring for 25,000+ employees. Her expertise spans global expansions, divestitures, and reorganizations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Like it or not, Gen Z is taking over: From politics to the workforce, how do we bridge the gap between decades of experience and fresh new energy? What happens when seasoned professionals in their 70s find themselves working alongside ambitious 20-year-olds who are reshaping the work landscape? With Gen Z bringing their tech-savvy skills and fresh perspectives into the mix, it’s inevitable that some challenges will arise. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we're thrilled to welcome Danielle Faraj, a leading LinkedIn voice and Gen Z workplace expert. In this episode, we delve into the generational divide in the workforce, focusing on the unique challenges faced by Gen Z employees as they enter the job market. Danielle explores how these challenges are often misunderstood and discusses strategies for fostering a supportive and inclusive workplace culture. We address common stereotypes about Gen Z, such as the notion of entitlement, and how these perceptions echo criticisms faced by millennials in the past. Danielle highlights how platforms like TikTok and Instagram have empowered Gen Z to voice their experiences and hold companies accountable. Join us as we examine evolving workplace expectations, communication barriers, and shifts in professional etiquette. Danielle shares insights on bridging generational gaps, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, clear communication, and adaptability for creating a positive work environment. In this episode: (00:55) Introduction to today’s topic (02:24) Introduction to Danielle Faraj (03:01) Danielle's background (05:11) Toxic work experience example (06:49) Decision to leave a job (07:16) Positive work experience at Wade and Wendy (09:26) Realization about Gen Z's role (10:40) Influential figures in Gen Z discussion (11:39) Critique of Simon Sinek (12:46) Comparison of generational experiences (15:11) Discussion on Gen Z job retention (17:58) Contextualizing job market changes (20:04) The corporate ladder and transition (21:25) Corporate loyalty and layoffs (21:36) Cohesiveness in work environments (22:25) Generational work expectations (23:22) Productivity and remote work (25:36) Generational judgments (26:57) Remote work vs. office work (28:35) Gen Z's work preferences (30:03) Trust issues with leadership (32:00) Corporate trust erosion (34:46) Generational poll results (37:35) Gen Z's flexibility in time management (39:28) Workplace timing expectations (40:25) Toxic work environment experiences (41:20) Communication of workplace expectations (42:12) Gen Z etiquette training (42:52) Critical skills for Gen Z (44:08) Recruitment and cultural fit (46:01) Accountability in leadership (46:30) Social media and employee voice (48:14) Gen Z's motivation and awareness (50:08) Empathy in understanding generations (50:48) Danielle's upcoming projects (52:06) Podcast closing remarks About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Danielle Farage LinkedIn Instagram Website Facebook About Our Guest Danielle Faraj is a leading voice on LinkedIn and a prominent consultant on Gen Z workforce dynamics. With a rich background in HR and extensive experience teaching workshops for Microsoft and Northwestern, she has garnered over 20 million impressions on social media and built an engaged audience of 23,000 C-suite executives. As a digital nomad, Danielle combines her global perspective with practical insights to help companies navigate generational shifts. She is also the co-host of the Purple Acorn podcast, known for her engaging approach and deep understanding of Gen Z in the workplace. ****************************************************************************** This episode is brought to you by Sourcewhale, the ultimate platform for streamlining your recruitment process and connecting with top talent efficiently. Discover how Sourcewhale can transform your hiring strategy and empower your team to thrive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did the COVID-19 pandemic unveil more than just a health crisis? Like it or not, the pandemic exposed a myriad of challenges within our work environments that were often overshadowed by the comfort of in-person interactions. Suddenly thrust into remote work, we discovered gaps in communication, decision-making processes, and even our ability to connect meaningfully. "Today on 'Recruiting is No Joke,' we sit down with Heba Youssef, Chief People Officer at Workweek and host of the "I Hate It Here" podcast and newsletter to delve into  the evolving landscape of recruitment and workplace dynamics. During the sit-down, we discuss the impact of the pandemic on work environments, employee engagement, and the challenges of maintaining work-life balance. Heba emphasizes the importance of honesty in employer branding and critiques the trend of "coffee badging." We also explore the future of work, including remote and gig work, and the role of AI in HR. We wrap things up by delving into digital worker management and its ethical implications.Tune in to gain valuable insights and stay ahead in the ever-evolving world of work! In this episode: (01:12) - Introduction Hebba Youssef  (03:28) - Impact of the pandemic on work (06:00) - Work culture and employer branding (10:39) - Coffee badging and remote work (12:26) - Engagement and return to office (15:03) - Strategies for getting employees back to the office (16:55) - Promotion and remote work (17:45) - The office and commercial real estate (19:05) - Remote work and inclusivity (20:11) - Remote work and job market trends (22:54) - Automation and AI in layoffs (24:13) - Gig economy and AI (25:42) - Merger of Careerbuilder and Monster (29:39) - AI and its limitations (35:00) - Upcoming events and plans (36:13) - The AI employee announcement (37:06) - Reactions to the announcement (38:13) - Comments on the announcement (39:24) - Industry frustrations (41:53) - Taylor Swift SEO issue (43:43) - HR and recruiting frustrations About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Hebba Youssef LinkedIn TikTok Work Week Website Workweek LinkedIn I Hate It Here Podcast About Our Guest Hebba Youssef is the Chief People Officer at Workweek and founder of “I Hate it Here,” a podcast and newsletter with over 130,000 readers. She has led global learning and development teams, talent management, and People Ops at fintech startups, Axios, and Lithic. Hebba excels in building and scaling People Ops teams across various industries. In her free time, she enjoys reading sci-fi and fantasy novels and playing board games with her family. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Imagine this: In a world buzzing with AI-powered job searches and LinkedIn's latest features, does the humble cold call still have a place in recruitment? Let's dive into how traditional tactics like cold calling stack up against today's tech-savvy methods "Today on 'Recruiting is No Joke,' we talk with Lysha Holmes, owner of Qui Recruitment in the UK. Qui Recruitment was established in 2005 to provide a consultative and informed service within the recruitment market.  Lysha has been a guest on our podcast before, bringing valuable insights.  We explore the evolution of cold calling in recruitment, the impact of digital communication, and the crucial role of personal branding on LinkedIn. Lysha emphasizes the art of a compelling opening line in cold calling—it’s not just about making a call, but about forging a connection. We also delve into using LinkedIn for lead generation and building relationships through content creation. With LinkedIn's new features like video feeds gaining traction, Lysha highlights their appeal to Gen Z, underscoring video's rising importance. We also discuss AI's potential to enhance the candidate experience by improving communication and maintaining respect throughout the hiring process. This conversation is a treasure trove for recruiters, offering practical tips on mastering cold calling, leveraging AI, and building a strong personal brand to thrive in today's recruitment landscape. Let’s dive in!" In this episode: [00:58] Introduction to Lysha Holmes [04:25] The Importance of Cold Calling [11:29] Evolution of Communication Methods [18:23] The Role of Personal Branding and Content Creation [18:31] The suggested tab on LinkedIn and its similarity to TikTok's "for you" page. [19:18] Observations and opinions about the suggested content on LinkedIn [21:58] Use of video on LinkedIn [23:00] The preferences of Gen Z for consuming video. [24:04] Audience demographics on TikTok [27:58] Advice for creating video content [30:30] Following up after job interviews [31:46] Balancing persistence and respect in job seeking [35:07] The importance of persistence [36:32] Readjusting recruitment metrics [37:50] Improving the candidate experience with AI [38:44] Learning from online dating apps [40:45] Focusing on joy in the job search [42:23] Gratitude and adding value in the job search [47:33] Networking and being non-judgmental About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Lysha Holmes LinkedIn Qui Recruitment Website About Our Guest Lysha Holmes, host of The Recruiters Recruitment Podcast, is a sober, solo parent, and executive coach with a specialization in Rec2Rec since 2002. Believing in the people-centric nature of recruitment, she runs her R2R service with a focus on candidates' skills, experience, and aspirations, ensuring seamless matches with industry partners. Her approach combines efficiency with discretion, reflecting a deep commitment to fostering successful career connections in the recruitment sector. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if I told you that the future of recruitment isn't confined to office perks and flexible hours anymore? Picture a world where virtual reality interviews redefine the hiring process, where your next boss might be an AI, and where company culture thrives as a vibrant, evolving force. Welcome to a frontier where recruitment meets innovation, and corporate culture isn't just a buzzword—it's a dynamic, living ecosystem shaping the workplaces of tomorrow. Today on 'Recruiting is No Joke,' we feature Devyn Mikell, President of QualiFI, to discuss current trends and challenges in the recruitment industry. QualiFI is a screening platform designed for high-volume recruiting. It assists in managing candidates from the initial phone screen through to the final interview, including scheduling and live video interactions with customers. During the conversation, we delve into the impact of remote work, employee mandates, and the ongoing talent shortage in healthcare. Our conversation also touches on the ethical implications of political discussions in the workplace and the surprising decline in demand for software developers. Additionally, we react to news stories, including Wells Fargo's firing of employees/‘Mouse Jigglers’  for unethical practices. This episode offers valuable insights into the evolving landscape of recruitment and corporate culture. In this episode: [01:07] - Introduction to  Devyn Mikell [01:13] -Introduction to QualiFI and what it does [01:41] - QualiFI's clientele base [02:05] - Challenges in healthcare recruitment [03:26] - Devyn's thoughts on the role of AI in healthcare jobs: supplementing or risky? [04:28] - Reaction to news story: Wells Fargo firing mouse jigglers [-6:13] - Ethical concerns in sales: Remote work trends and productivity [09:40] -Devyn's biggest challenge has been building a remote-first company [11:35] - Remote work mandate at Dell/Thecorporate escapee video [14:33] - Reaction to Dell's return to office policy [16:21] - Challenges of switching back to in-person work [17:57] - Remote work challenges [19:37] - Navigating political conversations at work [30:34] - Decline in software developer demand [34:22] - Gen Z's interest in skilled trades [36:23] - The ego and humility [37:28] - Events and networking About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Devyn Mikell  LinkedIn Qualifi Website About Our Guest Devyn Mikell is the President and Co-Founder of Qualifi, a startup transforming phone interviews into scalable business intelligence to enhance candidate experience. An entrepreneur and business leader from Indianapolis, IN, Devyn thrives on connecting with others and understanding their perspectives. He also started a food truck in his senior year of college, reflecting his passion for food and innovation. A 2017 graduate of Indiana State University with a Bachelor's in Operations and Supply Chain Management, Devyn excelled in Track & Field, winning several medals in the Long Jump. Devyn also coaches Track & Field, demonstrating his commitment to mentoring and development. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did you know that the landscape of job searching is changing rapidly? Big companies and their strict rules are becoming less popular. This shift has sped up because of big changes like the pandemic. The pandemic showed us that working from home can work well. At the same time, technology, especially AI, is making job searches easier and faster. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we welcome Serge Boudreau and  Shelley Billinghurst from the "Recruitment Flex" podcast. The conversation delves into the intricacies of the recruitment industry, the importance of mentorship, and the evolving dynamics of the job search process During the conversation, they discuss their professional backgrounds, their work at Hire Value, and the importance of mentorship and relationships in business. Shelley and Serge share insights on starting a business, the evolving job search process, and the impact of technology and parental involvement in interviews. They also touch on the power shift towards job seekers and the rise of remote work and the gig economy. Shelley discusses the significant power shift to job seekers in 2021 and 2022, driven by the rise of remote work and the gig economy. However, she noted that the traditional corporate grind still holds sway in many companies. The conversation provides valuable insights into the recruitment industry, the importance of mentorship, and the evolving dynamics of the job search process. In this episode: [00:37] Introduction to Serge Boudreau & Shelley Billinghurst [01:25] Shelley’s background and podcast origin [02:28] Serge's background and podcast origin [05:09] Podcast growth and authenticity [05:59] Hosting events and industry relationships [08:58] Collaboration and business expansion [13:59] Advice for starting a business [16:21] Importance of real relationships [17:49] Entrepreneurial coaching and advice [20:14] The importance of empathy for job seekers [21:24] Challenges faced by recruiters and job seekers [24:09] Use of technology in job interviews [25:52] Impact of AI on job interviews and assessments [30:12] AI auto apply tools and their impact [34:39] Challenges in recruitment marketing and candidate screening [36:39] Involvement of parents in job interviews [40:57] The thank you note debate [46:09] Shift away from corporate grin [51:53] Impact of pandemic on work preferences [53:32] Viral sensation and online attention About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Serge Boudreau LinkedIn Hire Value Inc. Website Shelley Billinghurst LinkedIn Hire Value Inc. Website About Our Guests Shelley Billinghurst, CEO & Founder of Hire Value, boasts over 25 years of expertise in recruitment, with a deep understanding of provincial, national, and global labor markets. She spearheads digital recruitment marketing and co-hosts The Recruitment Flex Podcast, recognized as a TATech Top 40 Honoree (2024) and a Top 100 Most Influential Thought Leader (2023). Serge Boudreau, a 25-year Talent Acquisition leader, excels in TA technology and recruitment marketing. As VP for Growth at Hire Value and co-host of *The Recruitment Flex Podcast*, he's a TA Tech Top 100 Influential Thought Leader. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Like it or not, the recruitment landscape is evolving rapidly. Success now requires embracing advanced technology alongside understanding human connections. By blending AI for efficient data handling with the essential human touch of relationship building and niche market expertise, recruiters can thrive in this changing industry. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we are joined by Gary Elden OBE and Dan Malka, CEO and co-founders of Hire Genius, an essential all-in-one cloud-based recruitment toolkit. Our discussion delves into the dynamic recruitment landscape, highlighting the crucial roles of relationship-building, adapting post-COVID, and leveraging AI effectively. Gary Elden OBE emphasizes that understanding client needs and building rapport are foundational for successful recruiters. Post-COVID, the recruitment market has shifted, requiring adaptability. While cold calling remains integral, Gary Elden OBE and Dan Malka stress converting these into warmer relationships. They underscore the benefits of specialization, actionable data, and navigating challenges for solo recruiters. Balancing technology and personal interactions is key, alongside focusing on niche markets for industry success. Dan Malka advocates for integrating AI meaningfully rather than superficially, cautioning against over-reliance for productivity. Whether seasoned or starting out, insights from Gary Elden OBE and Dan Malka provide valuable guidance for thriving in recruitment’s evolving landscape. Let’s dive in! In this episode: [00: 51 ] Introduction to Gary Elden OBE and Dan Malka [01:27] Introduction to Hire Genius [03:26] Importance of recruitment background in developing HR technology [06:22] Evolution of recruiter skills  [08:11] The role of relationships in recruitment [11:47] The role of cold calling in recruitment [16:37] The future of networking in recruitment [17:51] Adapting recruitment strategies [18:29] Leveraging AI in recruitment workflows and coaching clients [19:45] End-to-end workflow automation [21:42] Challenges of AI adoption [22:38] Outsourcing and language accent [24:52] Efficiency and productivity [26:03] Actionable data and market insights [29:11] Management style and remote work [30:47] Shift in recruitment dynamics [33:25] Solo entrepreneurship and technology [34:39] Transition to recruitment consulting [36:06] Market challenges and learning opportunities [36:25] Barriers to entry [37:38] Challenges for job seekers About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Gary Elden OBE  LinkedIn HireGenius Website Dan Malka LinkedIn HireGenius Website About Our Guests Gary Elden OBE, Chair of Momenta Group, co-founded Hire Genius and chairs Amoria Bond, Get-Optimal, and The Stephen James Partnership. Former CEO of SThree PLC, he was awarded the 2015 Black British Business Awards’ Business Person of the Year.  Dan Malka, CEO and co-founder of Hire Genius collaborates with Elden, leveraging 20+ years of recruitment expertise to innovate streamlined, secure, and cost-effective hiring solutions. Their partnership ensures efficient talent acquisition through an all-in-one platform. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you tired of sending generic outreach emails into the void, hoping for a response? Do you find yourself lost in the sea of sales pitches flooding your inbox? In today's hyper-connected digital landscape, personalization is no longer just a bonus—it's a necessity. As the importance of personalization in outreach becomes increasingly evident, businesses are seeking innovative ways to connect with their target audience and stand out from the crowd. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we sit down with Scott Littrell, the VP of Sales at SourceWhale, to delve into the intricacies of sales, cold calling, and the power of personalization in outreach. SourceWhale is the industry-leading business development and headhunting platform built for modern-day recruitment. We discuss the challenges of sales and cold calling, highlighting the necessity of personalization in outreach to boost reply rates. Scott shares his strategies for breaking into large accounts, emphasizing the importance of understanding the market and targeting the right accounts. We also discuss the role of content creation on platforms like LinkedIn, with Scott advising sales teams to post valuable content to build relationships. The episode provides actionable insights into effective sales strategies and the evolving landscape post-pandemic. In this episode: [00:57] Introduction to Scott [01:13] Introducing today’s topic (Sales and Cold Calling) [01:39] SourceWhale's services   [02:07] Multi-channel approach   [03:02] Challenges in outreach   [05:02] Introduction of SourceWhale's personalized outreach capabilities   [06:12] The power of personalization   [10:38] Content creation and influencer marketing   [13:08] The importance of value-driven content  [15:39] Focus on best accounts   [18:21] Personalization and outreach   [19:06] Post-pandemic strategy   [20:05] Effective outreach strategies   [21:26] Content creation and outreach   [25:16] Cold calling and multi-channel outreach   [26:41] Data analysis on cold calling   [32:28] Challenges and success in cold calling   [35:42] Authenticity and value in sales   [35:49] Motivation and confidence in sales  [36:29] Effective cold calling   [38:52] Cold call openers   [42:24] Follow-up and relationship building   [44:39] Adapting sales strategies   [45:02] Closing and networking   [46:16] Conclusion and call to action About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) Scott Littrell LinkedIn SourceWhale Website About Our Guest Scott Littrell has been the VP of Sales at SourceWhale since 2023. With a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration from the University of Vermont, Scott's career journey includes notable roles at ZoomInfo, where he managed teams and excelled in new business development. His expertise extends from clinical sales to leadership, marking a dynamic trajectory in the industry. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is construction the next big thing in recruiting? In the 100th episode of Recruiting is No Joke, host Joel Lalgee sits down with Kala Kapahalou, Director of Talent Acquisition at W.E. O’Neil, to talk about a rarely spotlighted industry with massive opportunity: construction. From ditching culinary school dreams to leading TA at a top national contractor, Kala shares his deeply personal and professional journey—from being told he was “too quiet” to thrive in recruiting, to proving everyone wrong. He offers a behind-the-scenes look at what hiring looks like in a world of million-dollar projects, civil engineering demands, and an ongoing talent shortage. Joel and Kala cover everything from soft skills and culture fit, to career pivots and whether AI will ever take over construction jobs. They dig into why construction needs better branding, how soft skills have become the new superpower, and what younger talent is missing when stepping into the workforce. In this episode: (00:03) Introduction  and milestone update (01:17) Meet the guest: Kala Kapahalou (02:53) Kala’s origin story—from culinary dreams to recruiting (05:01) Leaving agency life for internal TA (06:52) Taking a pay cut to level up long-term (10:58) Construction vs. tech: why you should consider the hard hat (12:35) What do project managers in construction actually do? (13:50) Importance of relationships in construction (14:20) The underrated power of soft skills in blue-collar industries (16:45) Where construction hiring is headed (18:02) Field vs. Office jobs in construction (19:13) Decline in union interest and labor pipeline (21:49) Construction’s growing culture shift: balance, flexibility & retention (23:18) Will AI and automation affect construction? (26:38) Soft skills in Gen Z: what recruiters are noticing (28:25) AI in recruiting: tool or threat? (33:08) What makes a great interviewee  (36:31) Joel’s classic advice: interview = conversation, not interrogation (41:05) Culture fit vs. hard skills: what really matters (42:11) How to connect with Kala & W.E. O’Neil (44:01) Wrap-up and Joel’s call to action About Kala Kapahalou Kala Kapahalou is the Director of Talent Acquisition at W.E. O’Neil, a leading national construction firm. With over 16 years in recruiting, Kala’s career began unconventionally — starting as a recruiting assistant after pivoting from culinary school ambitions. His journey spans agency staffing, direct hire, and now corporate talent leadership in one of the most relationship-driven and complex industries: construction. Known for his resilience, adaptability, and emphasis on soft skills as a competitive edge, Kala has helped shape recruiting strategies that balance field operations with long-term cultural fit. He's a vocal advocate for elevating the perception of construction careers and building pipelines that meet the real demands of the industry. Resource Links W.E. O’Neil LinkedIn About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is finding the right talent like searching for a needle in a haystack? In today's fast-paced world, building strong communities and trust and balancing in-person and online events is more important than ever in recruitment. Whether it's the personal connections made face-to-face or the wide reach of online platforms, the best recruitment strategies blend both worlds. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we host a live recording at the Unleash conference, featuring guests Krista Tan from Talent Collective, Summer Delaney from CollabWORK and Ray Culvert from Talent Partners. We delve into the heart of recruitment, touching on the pivotal roles of community building, trust, and the dynamic between in-person and online events. We discuss CollabWORK’s innovative approach to connecting employers with the hidden job market through trusted community spaces, highlighting their AI-driven job distribution and impressive engagement rates. We also address the challenges within the talent ecosystem, emphasizing the need for better communication and follow-through in the recruitment process. Together, we underscore the role of technology and community in enhancing the recruitment experience for candidates and employers alike. In this episode: [00:53] Introducing Talent Collective [01:51] Building a community [03:31] Impactful stories [04:38] In-person vs. virtual events [06:15] Growth and leadership [08:21] Building a community [09:08] Engagement in the community [10:07] Connecting with Talent Collective [12:31] Introducing CollabWORK [13:44] Defining community [14:31] Successful communities [16:39] Online and in-person communities [17:16] Background of CollabWORK [17:27] Katie Couric and career journey [17:57] Building trust and community partnerships [19:43] HR tech community and advocacy [20:30] CollabWORK's value proposition [21:26] Trust and attention in recruitment [22:16] Community referrals and job click rates [25:31] Hidden job market and community connect [26:29] Community expansion and personal branding [27:11] Engaging in professional communities [30:22] Connecting with CollabWORK [31:29] Talent Partners and talent ecosystem [33:06] Recruitment challenges and AI in pre-screening [34:32] AI for candidates [36:43] Recruiter job security [38:14] Automating recruitment [39:28] Recruiter responsibility [41:07] Networking and community building [42:16] Future of job boards [43:35] Unleash conference takeaways About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Our Guests Summer Delaney, CEO of CollabWORK, pioneers a community-powered hiring platform, integrating with 40+ ATS to connect companies with diverse talent pools. A seasoned journalist, content strategist, and community builder, she's contributed to major media outlets and won awards. Summer holds a BS from Northwestern University and an MBA from Columbia Business School. Krista Tan is the Co-Founder of Talent Collective, a community-based organization empowering and connecting women in talent acquisition. With a mission to advance careers and recruiting networks, we curate in-person and virtual experiences. With 375+ global members, we've established chapters in major cities and plan expansion in 2024 to Austin and Chicago. Ray Culver is an accomplished executive with over 25 years of expertise in the Contingent Workforce domain, spanning Temp, Contract, Direct Hire, HR Technology, RPO, and MSP/VMS. Specializing in GTM strategy, client acquisition, large-scale recruiting projects, and global sales and operations management, Ray excels in implementing and managing large account programs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered how your recruitment process could be transformed for the better? In today's dynamic business landscape, where time is of the essence and competition for top talent is fierce, traditional recruitment methods may fall short of meeting the demands of modern organizations. But what if there was a way to streamline and optimize the entire process? What if technology could revolutionize the way companies attract, assess, and hire candidates? Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we shift our focus to the Unleash conference, where we engage with some of the brightest minds in the recruitment industry. In this episode, we are thrilled to share the wealth of knowledge and insights from representatives from UPS, Medtronic, and Rockwell Automation (Matt, Mark and Patrick). In our conversation, Matt discusses the benefits of using Fountain for recruitment automation and enhancing candidate experience. Mark Smith from Medtronic shares insights on skills-based hiring, recruiting from non-traditional backgrounds for roles requiring dexterity, and fostering an inclusive culture. He also talks about leveraging AI to improve recruitment processes. Patrick Fenn from Rockwell Automation describes his journey in recruitment and his role in hiring for the company. The episode delves into the use of technology in recruitment and the importance of employer branding. In this episode: [00:00:49] Automation and improving candidate experience [00:02:42] High-volume hiring and process changes [00:04:32] Candidate experience and surveys [00:05:44] Enhancing candidate communication [00:10:55] Leadership and candidate experience [00:12:33] Data and predictive analysis [00:16:11] Employer branding and hiring at Medtronic [00:17:14] Skills-based hiring philosophy [00:17:36] Microscopic assembly skills [00:18:30] Recruiting for micro assemblers [00:21:37] Creating a culture for manufacturing [00:25:16] AI tools for recruitment [00:29:20] Candidate experience and AI [00:34:18] Global hiring responsibilities [00:34:45] Internship recruitment strategy [00:35:20] Phenomenon of internship hoarding [00:36:44] Candidate experience and automation [00:38:06] Evaluation of recruitment automation tools [00:39:06] Recruiter feedback and AI adoption [00:39:51] Advanced CRM and pre-matching tools [00:40:36] Recruiter workload and trust building [00:41:28] Recruiter-manager relationship and transparency About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Our Guests Matt Lavery, Matt is a seasoned Recruiting and Staffing expert, specializing in social media and online recruitment. He excels in applicant tracking systems, AAP management, project management, HR technology implementation, workforce planning, and background check processes. Matt's innovative approach consistently drives organizational success and fosters inclusive workplace cultures. Mark Smith, is a seasoned Global Talent Leader with over two decades of experience at top companies like Randstad, Amazon, and Kraft Heinz. Now at Medtronic as Senior Director, Global Talent Acquisition, he excels in fostering talent, driving innovation, and promoting a culture of trust and servant leadership in healthcare. Patrick Finn is the Director of Talent Acquisition at VillageMD, based in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He excels in recruiting top talent to drive healthcare innovation and growth. Patrick's leadership ensures VillageMD attracts and retains skilled professionals, contributing to the company's mission of transforming primary care. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode of 'Recruiting is No Joke Live' takes a deep dive into the shifting landscape of recruitment. With a focus on finding common ground between technological advancements and human-centric approaches, our guests will unpack key trends and techniques reshaping the industry. Bias Reduction with AI We explore one of AI's most significant promises: the potential to reduce bias that has historically plagued the hiring process, aiming for a more equitable, transparent practice. How can AI improve candidate experiences and enhance job matching? Decoding HR with People Analytics Our experts discuss the innovative ways people analytics is transforming HR decision-making. By enabling a comprehensive understanding of the employee lifecycle, can we anticipate and address future challenges more proactively? Human Connection in an AI-Driven World Despite leaps and bounds within the AI space, there's a vital component that remains irreplaceable - human interaction. Our conversation grapples with the essential but often overlooked role of human touch within recruitment process automation. In this episode 00:00:04: Introduction to the episode 00:01:07: Discussing people analytics 00:02:04: Using data for decision making in HR 00:03:42: The connection between recruitment and people analytics 00:04:21: The use of AI in recruitment 00:07:15: The application of data in an organization 00:08:10: Importance of doing something with the data 00:09:11: The future of people analytics 00:10:45: Remote work and office culture 00:15:00: Debunking the fear of AI 00:16:59: Importance of solving problems with AI 00:18:24: Potential benefits of AI for recruitment and work life balance 00:19:43: Learning about Technology and Accessibility 00:21:03: The Problem of Mundane, Repetitive Tasks in Jobs 00:21:28: Diversity and Bias in Job Applications 00:24:19: Identifying and Addressing Bias in Hiring Process 00:26:48: Brief Discussion on Effect of Technology in Hiring 00:29:41: The Need for Human Contact and Interaction in Hiring 00:31:41: The Positive Impact of Technology on Job Processes 36:57: What is People Analytics? 37:34: Tools and Skills for Transitioning into People Analytics 40:15: The Future of Data Analytics 43:32: The Impact of AI in Analytics 45:07: The Future of Job Applications 48:40: Advice for Startups in the Analytics Industry. 00:49:15: How employee experience changes with people analytics 00:49:44: What matters more - people or technology 00:50:10: Hypothetical fight: LinkedIn vs Indeed 00:50:51: Where to connect with the speaker 00:51:20: Embracing change and the power of data About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Our Guests Zack Johnson, General Manager of Embedded Analytics, focused on building strategic partnerships with organizations that believe analytics unlocks critical, untapped value for their customers. Zack manages Visier’s OEM analytics business, where we partner with other software providers to bring world-class analytics to their customers. Angela Hood, Founder/CEO of ThisWay Global, an international, VC-backed HR tech company that was incubated at ideaSpace – University of Cambridge, UK, with new offices now in the US. ThisWay's team is comprised of experienced entrepreneurs, global PhD’s in the areas of machine learning and AI, as well as talent from across the globe.  John Federman, CEO of HireRoad with over 25 years experience driving revenue and profit through innovative media, data and ecommerce platforms designed to drive greater successes in connecting buyers and sellers. With deep big-publishing-company experience, have gone on to lead transformative data and technology companies that target, engage and build relationships with consumers across multiple platforms. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you keeping up with the latest trends in the recruitment industry? From the increasing influence of Artificial Intelligence in resume crafting to the evolving standards of content on LinkedIn, the landscape of job hunting is constantly changing. But amidst all these changes, one thing remains constant: the importance of authenticity. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we sit down with Adam Posner, CEO of NHP Talent and fellow podcast host. In our conversation, we delve into the most recent trends within the recruitment industry, with a particular emphasis on the influence of Artificial Intelligence in the crafting of resumes and the caliber of content on LinkedIn. We underscore the necessity of maintaining authenticity in job applications and adopting a strategic methodology when networking on LinkedIn. Our conversation encompasses the criticality of pinpointing the appropriate audience for brand collaborations, the hazards associated with an excessive dependence on social media platforms for conducting business, and the changing dynamics of remote and hybrid work structures. Furthermore, we engage in a dialogue about the societal progression towards a better work-life equilibrium and the imperative for lucid communication in the process of synchronizing candidate expectations with the ethos of a company's culture. In this episode: [00:00:37] Introduction to  Adam Posner   [00:02:37] Discussion on podcast episodes   [00:03:26] Impact of AI on resume generation   [00:09:17] Quality of content on LinkedIn   [00:13:24] Thought leadership and building a quality network   [00:16:55] Building a quality network on LinkedIn   [00:18:18] Thought leadership and content quality   [00:21:27] Impact of AI in recruitment   [00:23:31] Remote work and work-life balance   [00:29:15] Hustle culture and work priorities   [00:31:26] Work from home revolution   [00:32:42] Young engineers' preference for office work   [00:34:13] Controversy over interview attire   [00:35:10] Importance of presentability in interviews   [00:37:39] Challenges of recruiting in lean teams   [00:38:59] Upcoming events and podcast release schedule  About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Adam Posner Adam Posner, Founder and President Director at NHP Talent Group, specializes in recruitment strategy, talent process, and operations for startups, agencies, and brands. With a focus on Marketing, Performance Media, Creative, Product, and Content Creation, Adam utilizes his 15 years of experience in NYC's advertising and marketing industry to understand candidates' Career DNA, ensuring a perfect fit. As the host of the #ThePOZcast, Adam brings experts from the world of Talent and HR to help drive careers forward, emphasizing tenacity and personal growth. Adam Posner Social Media NHP Talent Linkedin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered what the future holds for the job market and how technology will redefine the way we find and fill positions? Well, you're not alone. In the ever-evolving world of recruitment, staying ahead of the curve is not just a goal; it's a necessity. Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we sit down with Marcus Sawyerr, an expert in talent acquisition and AI technology. Marcus's journey in recruitment is a testament to the power of innovation and inclusion.  In our conversation, we delve into the significance of AI wearables within the recruitment sphere, the ever-changing dynamics of the job market, and the critical nature of adaptability for those seeking employment. Throughout our discussion, Marcus imparts invaluable advice on the art of networking and the crafting of a personal brand. We also examine the merits of aligning individual capabilities with the current demands of the job market. Our conversation extends to the comparison of job stability in startup environments versus established large corporations, and we highlight the escalating necessity for professionals in sectors that are experiencing a high demand but suffer from a low supply of skilled individuals. As the episode draws to a close, we reflect on the themes of personal development and the pivotal decisions that shape one's career trajectory. In this episode: (00:01:05) - Introduction to Marcus Sawyerr   (00:01:58) - Marcus Sawyer's experience in the recruitment space (00:03:03) - The evolution of AI in recruitment  (00:04:20) - AI Wearables and technology trends  (00:13:40) - The practical use cases of new technology (00:15:53) - Two contrasting predictions about the recruitment market   (00:17:49) - The nature of predictions and the need for quantitative measures  (00:18:38) - Big tech firms over-hiring during talent war   (00:19:36) - Evolution of recruiter role   (00:20:32) - Market-specific talent demand (00:21:42) -Geopolitical influence on the job market  (00:25:20) - Challenges in job search  (00:27:33) - Importance of building a network and personal brand   (00:30:20) - Navigating modern job search   (00:32:44) - Importance of in-person networking   (00:35:39) -The importance of strategic job search   (00:36:23) - The illusion of dream job scenarios and the need for realistic expectations  (00:36:31) - The advantages and challenges of working for a big tech firm (00:37:22) - Job stability in the evolving technological landscape  (00:38:22) - Comparison of job stability in startups versus large corporations   (00:39:57) - The economic value of different professions based on supply and demand.   About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Marcus Sawyerr Marcus Sawyerr, Founder & CEO of EQ Community, boasts over 15 years of experience in online recruitment, digital transformation, and executive leadership. He has held key positions, including former President at Adecco, a Fortune 500 company, and served on the Microsoft Services Executive Board. Witnessing the limited access to meaningful job opportunities, especially for people of color, he started as an inside sales rep and worked his way up. Now, he focuses on empowering diverse talent as he leads EQ Community, a private members' community for multicultural tech professionals. Marcus Sawyerr Social Media EQ.app Linkedin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever felt like your job application disappears into a black hole, never to be seen by human eyes? You name it, I've heard it. 'It must be a robot, 'ATS just reject everyone,' or the classic, 'No one even reads my resume.' Today on "Recruiting is No Joke," we're thrilled to have Russell Ayles, the founder and CEO of UNRiVALLED recruitment agency. With decades of experience in internal recruitment, Russell brings a wealth of knowledge to our discussion. During our conversation, we dive deep into a controversial video by Jerry Lee, the CEO of WonSulting. The video in question showcases a fake resume with the name "Kiss My Nuts" that somehow managed to secure interviews. We fiercely debate the video's underlying message, pondering whether it's a stark revelation of recruiters prioritizing keywords over the entirety of a resume's content. Throughout our conversation, we dissect the recruitment process, underscoring the undeniable importance of relevant experience and how phone interviews play a crucial role in evaluating a candidate. We also touch upon the often overlooked disconnect between corporate executives and their employees, the elusive concept of a hidden job market, and how the culture of a company can significantly influence its recruitment practices. Wrapping up the episode, we share some practical job application tips and take the time to debunk common myths surrounding the hiring process. Our goal is to shed light on these critical issues and help both recruiters and job seekers navigate the complex world of recruitment with a better understanding and more realistic expectations. In this episode: (00:00:37) - Introduction to Russell Ayles   (00:01:50) - Russell's journey to becoming a LinkedIn Top Voice.   (00:05:34) - Choosing and using an ATS, focusing on candidate experience.   (00:08:41) - Russell's transition from career coaching to founding Unrivalled.   (00:09:57) - Discussing the challenges faced in business and entrepreneurship.   (00:11:34) - Reaction to Jerry Lee's "Kiss My Nuts" resume experiment.   (00:15:24) - Debating the experiment's purpose and recruiters' responsibilities.   (00:16:35) - Authenticity and impact of Jerry Lee's video.   (00:17:50) - Role of keywords in recruitment and talent acquisition.   (00:19:29) - Why certain resumes pass screening processes.   (00:20:24) - Recruiters' emphasis on specific skills.   (00:23:33) - The influence of resumes on job suitability.   (00:26:19) - Elon Musk's $56 billion request and employee implications.   (00:29:28) - Trust and culture in corporate environments.   (00:32:32) - Comparing US and Australian corporate cultures.   (00:33:21) - Culture differences in small vs. large companies.   (00:34:11) - Aligning recruitment with company culture.   (00:35:59) - Company culture's effect on recruitment.   (00:38:56) - Glassdoor reviews' impact on company perception.   (00:44:47) - The hidden job market's role in recruitment.   (00:47:43) - Advantages of hidden jobs for companies and HR.   (00:49:18) - Overcoming fear in job applications.   (00:50:10) - Evaluating career advice based on advisors' experience.   (00:51:01) - Statistics on role filling methods.   (00:52:34) - Job advertising, hidden market, and job search strategies.   (00:54:27) - Matching qualifications with job requirements.   (00:55:47) - Realities of the hiring process and skills importance.  About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Russell Ayles Russell Ayles is a seasoned professional with nearly two decades of experience in the retail industry. Having worked with industry giants like ASOS, General Pants, and House of Fraser, he has seen it all when it comes to recruitment. Russell is the founder of UNRiVALLED Agency, offering a refreshing approach to talent sourcing. With a focus on understanding businesses' DNA and providing top-notch candidate care, Russell is committed to revolutionizing the recruitment process. Russell Ayles Social Media UNRiVALLED Agency. Linkedin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever wondered how working from home affects a company's ability to innovate and find new talent? The shift to remote work has changed a lot about how companies operate. From how we work together to how we hire new people, the way things are done is evolving. Today on “Recruiting is No Joke”, we sit down with Rani Mavram, CEO of Complete. Complete is a platform for startups to manage and scale their compensation strategy, keeping cash bonuses and benefits front of mind. During our conversation, we talk about the subtleties of remote work and its impact on innovation and recruitment. We explore the equilibrium between remote and in-office work, the critical role of company culture, and tactics for handling compensation workflows. Our discussion also delves into the importance of a company's compensation philosophy, the necessity for clarity in job postings, and our responsibility as recruiters to enlighten candidates about compensation. Moreover, we touch on how remote work influences recruiting and the creation of an inviting office atmosphere. We wrap up the episode with anticipation of delving into AI in sourcing in future discussion In this episode: (01:09) – Overview of Complete (02:36) – The complexities of compensation packages and the need for better literacy  (03:45) – Nike's CEO weighs in on how remote work affects innovation (O5:07) –  Rani shares his take on remote work, collaboration, and innovation (07:23) –  Joel presents results from a LinkedIn poll about remote work (15:29) –  Rani talks about the importance of employee development (11:03) –   Rani examines how remote and in-office work settings influence recruiting (13:51) – The importance of an appealing office space and the hurdles of balancing remote work with office culture. (17:40) – The value of investing in employee development  (18:24) –  Rani describes an interactive offer platform's features (19:13) – Engagement with different sections of the offer platform (21:04) – Using video in recruitment to add authenticity and human connection  (22:51) – Increasing compensation expectations among job seekers (24:42) – The importance of comprehending total compensation (27:52) – The need to educate candidates about compensation packages (29:30) –  Rani explains a company's compensation philosophy and its role in attracting and retaining talent. (34:28) – The challenges and significance of transparency in compensation (36:10) – Internal pay parity and understanding pay progression over time (37:14) – Salary transparency (38:15) – Offer evaluation (39:14) – Empowering hiring managers (39:42) – The impact of remote work on innovation (40:17) – How to learn more about Complete (40:44) –  Potential future conferences and the value of resources (41:51)  – Upcoming AI and sourcing discussion About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Rani Mavram Rani Mavram, the co-founder of Complete, is responsible for creating a platform designed to help startups manage and scale their compensation strategies effectively, with a focus on cash bonuses and benefits. In addition to assisting companies in defining their compensation philosophy, Complete offers various products, including an interactive offer letter for potential candidates to gain a comprehensive understanding of their compensation package. It also allows current employees to access detailed breakdowns of their compensation. The platform has successfully raised $4 million from investors such as Accel, Y Combinator, and Housefund. Currently, it is used by HR teams in companies like Roblox, Vercel, and DataStax. Rani Mavram Social Media Complete Linkedin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The job market, even when the economy is robust, can be a challenging place. Knowing how to search and what prospective employers are looking for makes the search easier. But in this age of technology, having access to solid insights is a must. Today on “Recruiting is No Joke”, we sit down with Tom Woodhams. Tom is a recognized thought leader in the recruiting space, known for his work in helping find Data and Software Engineering talent. Tom stops by today to talk trends, give resume tips, and help listeners navigate the job search terrain.  If your job search hasn’t produced the results, you thought it would, join us for a deep dive as we expose hidden gems you might be overlooking. It’s an incredible conversation with the one and only Tom Woodhams … today on “Recruiting is No Joke.! In this episode: (3:45) – Joel and Tom discuss one of his more popular posts. (5:00) – Joel and Tom go deep on the topic of resume tailoring.  (6:52) – Understanding the value of keywords in a job description. (7:10) – People often have challenges writing their own resumes.  (9:10) – Joel shares his perspective on resumes and accomplishments.  (10:44) – Tom shares his views on keyword filtering.  (12:40) – Seasoned recruiters and reading through the lines.  (14:50) – Joel emphasizes show not tell.  (18:21) – The conversation moves to the intricacies of the application process.  (19:00) – Tom opens up about Easy Apply.  (23:51) – Possible changes to the traditional interview process.  (28:01) – Conversations on remote work and employee sentiments.  (31:53) – Recruiting and remote work are discussed. (33:10) – The conversation turns to the voice employees found during COVID. (34:19) – Joel mentions that employees want flexibility.  (37:37) – Tom believes hybrid is the new remote. (38:34) – Tom gives jobseekers his best piece of advice.  About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Recruiting is No Joke Social Media Linkedin Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About Tom Woodhams  Tom Woodhams is a tech recruiter who loves coding just as much as he loves helping people with their tech and coding careers. With nearly a decade in the recruiting industry, his specialty is Data and Software Engineering. What sets Tom apart when it comes to job placement is that he is an actual coder. So, whereas other recruiters can only place people in positions, Tom can view the opportunity from both sides of the table. This allows him to better align people with businesses and in the process, everyone wins. A noted Linkedin creator and champion of the ADHD community, Tom inspires jobseekers through his podcast and a variety of other content pieces.  Tom Woodhams Social Media Website – Hawkeye Innovations Linkedin Instagram X (Formerly Twitter) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Going through a layoff is never easy, and bouncing back with a new job can feel like an uphill battle. It gets even harder when you're bombarded with bad advice online. Join us on "Recruiting is No Joke" as we chat with the amazing James Hudson, a talent acquisition expert. He'll share real-world tips on navigating the job market after a layoff and crafting a solid plan for your next career move. Remember, finding a job is more like a marathon than a sprint. Let's work together to get you back on track and moving forward in your career. Tune in for this important conversation with James Hudson, only on "Recruiting is No Joke"! In this episode:  (2:11) – James Hudson begins telling the listeners about his journey in Talent and Acquisition, including his Linkedin content journey. (2:58) – The auto accident that changed everything.  (4:00) – James sees an opportunity via Linkedin to share real insights. (4:44) – The audience on Linkedin begins to grow.  (5:04) – James lands a weekly column in Forbes.  (7:09) – The conversation goes deep into James and his content strategy and reviews popular posts.  (9:42) – James speaks on followers and their views on career coaching and resume writing services offered by recruiters.  (10:33) – James makes an interesting point about the most prolific content creators.  (10:55) – The value a recruiter has to offer as a content creator.  (12:00) – James voices concerns about recruiters.  (12:42) – Social media exploitation from the realm of career and recruiting advice.  (13:49) – Joel and James review another post/video and provide cautionary perspectives. (16:50) – James discusses the danger of speaking in absolutes.  (17:41) – James says anyone speaking in absolutes is not a recruiter, they’re a salesperson. (18:52) – The importance of testing your resume if it isn’t working.  (20:20) – Joel and James review another video, this one featuring James.  (21:30) – Things to do when facing a layoff, according to James. (22:10 – Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and how it applies to business and job seekers.  (23:00) – Why James and his most viral post matter and resonate with listeners.  (24:08) – Advice for recently laid-off workers.  (24:34) – The 90-minute rule for job seekers.  (24:38) – Don’t forget to practice gratitude.  (25:05) – What got James through the dark times.  (26:08) – The importance of finding your job search rhythm.  (26:31) – The gift of time that comes with being laid off.  (28:02) – Needs following a layoff are situational and change from day to day.  (31:05) – James offers job seekers his best piece of advice.  (31:51) – Job searches are marathons, not sprints.  (34:13) – The power of community and tips on networking.  Recruiting is No Joke Social Linkedin.com Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) About James Hudson James Hudson offers expertise on building recruiting engines, and the global teams that run them in a wide range of environments. His superpower is process simplification, and he leverages technology to reduce friction in enterprise-wide systems, enabling recruiting teams, and hiring managers, helping them spend time on tasks that create the most value. His weekly column in Forbes centers on careers and leadership is a must-read and he also sits on several boards, offering key insights and advice. An avid traveler, he’s passionate about people and a vocal advocate of lifelong learning.  James Hudson Social Linkedin.com TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Embarking on a job search journey can be a challenging and humbling experience, regardless of one's level of expertise. In the podcast "Recruiting is No Joke," listeners gain valuable insights to navigate through the complexities of the job market and secure the careers they deserve. In this episode, we revisit some of the most impactful moments from past episodes while sharing feedback from our audience. Join us as we reflect on key learnings and memorable discussions, aiming to equip listeners with the knowledge and tools needed for success in their career pursuits. Additionally, we'll provide a sneak peek into the exciting updates and enhancements planned for the podcast. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting your career journey, our goal is to empower you with the resources to seize opportunities and achieve your professional aspirations. In this episode: (1:02) – Joel goes deep about his followers and the direction of the podcast.  (1:40) – The focus of the podcast moving forward is discussed.  (2:30) – The guest format plan is revealed.  (4:40) – The comments from the post are shared on-air. (5:14) – Advice for job seekers. It takes more than just applying. (5:41) – Randomly applying is not the way, apply for jobs that fit your skillset.  (6:12) – Joel shares that recruiters were hardest hit by the slowed job market.  (7:00) – Plenty of jobs, but the jobs don’t match the people according to Joel.  (7:12) – Joel offers job seekers advice.  (8:38) – Joel offers a sobering reality on today’s job market. (9:30) – The comments from video #2 are discussed.  (10:43) – Joel encourages listeners to keep working on the road to finding a job.  (10:50) – Apply, network, update your resume.  (11:50) – Tools are great, but the resume will still need to work for you.  (12:15) – Joel mentions what he looks for in an applicant’s job history.  (12:45) – The things applicants should emphasize on their resumes.  (13:52) – Focus on accomplishments, not responsibilities.  (14:44) – Joel shares insights from a good friend who also happens to be a peer.  (16:50) – Joel gives his take on what comes next.  (17:10) – AI and Automation led to layoffs, but now we’re in growth mode.  (17:25) – The election will tell the hiring story once we know which way it goes.  (18:20) – Joel discusses his job seeker poll results.  (19:10) – Joel encourages listeners to participate in his poll.  (20:07) – Closing thoughts from Joel on shows to come.  About Joel Lalgee  Joel Lalgee is an internationally known recruitment leader and coach who has helped thousands of recruiters build their brands online. In 2015, Joel started recruiting for a small start-up agency in Milwaukee. He quickly found his passion for recruitment. In 2019, he discovered content marketing, publishing his first posts on Linkedin. Since then, he has grown to over 400k followers, and his content has been seen over 1 billion times. In 2023, he started a business specializing in coaching recruiters, marketing consulting, and influencer partnerships. Relevant Links LinkedIn Website Instagram TikTok   X (formerly Twitter) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices