Photographer, publisher, designer, and coffee roaster, Clint Woodside joined me at the 2024 Chico Review to talk about Deadbeat Club Press  and his own photography. We talk about how he partners with artists to make work and books, how he thinks about publishing as a family business, and we talk extensively about his own photography. In particular, Clint and I discuss an ongoing series that touches upon his upbringing and family in New York but also remains somewhat undefined which is how Clint prefers to make work.

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Clint Woodside is a photographer born in Buffalo, NY. He has published over ten books including Let Me Die In My Footsteps (2013), Build Us A Path (2014) Undercover Cars (2016) and Vineland (2017). His work has been widely exhibited and published in the United States and overseas, including New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, London, Tokyo, Sweden, China, Seoul, and Australia. Woodside is also known for his extensive work as a curator and as creator of Deadbeat Club - a publisher and distributor of small books and publications with a diverse roster of photographers. He currently resides in Los Angeles, CA.

Established in 2011 by Clint Woodside, Deadbeat Club is an award winning independent publisher & coffee roaster located in Los Angeles, California. Rooted in contemporary photography, our ethos on small run, limited edition publications carries into our small batch single origin, signature blend and limited release coffees.

Each Deadbeat Club project is selected with the expectation of collaboration and a longstanding partnership. Working closely with photographers and artists around the world, making sure their original vision is never compromised, we produce a body of work that we are proud to share with our community.

Here are some of the recordings I made at the 2024 Chico Review with the wonderful attendees who come to Chico to share their work and their stories with incredible reviewers. I had the opportunity to spend a short amount of time with over 20 attendees. These conversations come from our first interactions for me and the guests with each other and I did not see the work before the recordings. That meant the description of the work had to be fine tuned just as it does for a portfolio review. So what you will here is similar to a portfolio presentation. I've also linked to the guest's Instagram and Websites so you can see the work. One last note, I was recording in a variety of spaces at the beautiful Chico Hot Springs resort so there may be a number of different ambient sounds across the recordings.

The Chico Review is the country’s premier Photobook Retreat. Organized by Charcoal Book Club, The Chico Review takes place over six nights at Chico Hot Springs Resort, near Livingston Montana. Sixty-four applicants will be selected by our jury and invited to spend the week with over twenty of the most influential and creative photographers, book makers, gallerists, museum curators, and photobook publishers in the industry. One full scholarship and five partial scholarships will be awarded. Student discounts and need-based scholarships will be available to those selected who qualify.

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Alexander Iglesias 02:23 https://alexiglesias.net/ | https://www.instagram.com/alexander_d_i/

Caitlin Bagwell 06:35 https://www.caitlinbagwell.photography | https://www.instagram.com/cebagwell/

Ian Edward White 10:57 https://ianedwardwhite.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/ianedwardwhite/

Melissa Guerrero 20:24 https://www.mommyobserver.com | https://www.instagram.com/theobserver_meli/

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Linda Troeller joins me to talk about her book, SEX. DEATH. TRANSCENDENCE., published by TBW. Linda has a storied life in photography from her early self-portraiture, to her book, The Erotic Lives of Women, and now to Sex. Death. Transcendence., Linda has been exploring the female gaze since the early 1970’s. We talk about her ideas on self-portraiture, healing waters, and her amazing time at the Chelsea Hotel, all of which have led to their own publications.

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Linda Troeller’s art projects focus on self-portraits, women's and social issues. She made the Chelsea Hotel her base for 20 years, curating an exhibition for the 125thAnniversary, “Chelsea Hotel Through the Eyes of Photographers,” and publishing a monograph, “Chelsea Hotel Atmosphere – An Artist’s Memoir,” 2007 and a new book, “Living in the Chelsea Hotel, Schiffer Publishing, 2015 that won the International Photo Award, 2016. She had a major exhibition at Leica Gallery, Los Angeles, Ilon Art Gallery, Harlem, 2018 and Laurence Miller Gallery, NYC and Museum of.Sex, NYC.

Aperture published her Pictures of the Year award winning images in “Healing Waters,” exhibited at their Burden Gallery, NYC and powerhouse Books published her next book, ‘Spa Journeys,” 2004. Her book, “Erotic Lives of Women,” Scalo, Zurich, 1998 was reviewed as one of the “most gutsy and imaginative books of the decade,” NYTimes. The exhibition opened at Fotohof Gallery, Salzburg traveling to Berlin and Weimar, Germany. Her second book on women, Orgasm, Daylight, 2014 was introduced at the Filter Photography Festival and is in major libraries from Kinsey to Harvard to National Museum of Women in the Arts.’

She received a New Jersey Arts Grant and the Woman of Achievement Award from Douglass College, in 1991 for her TB-AIDS DIARY, a series of photo-collages in Color Polaroid that helped prevent discriminative stamping of HIV in passports. It was exhibited at Fotofest, Houston and over fifty galleries and covered in the Asbury Park Press and Trenton Times to European Photography Magazine. The set of 19 prints was recently acquired by the Norton Museum of Art permanent collection, West Palm Beach, Florida.

She photographed three Fashion Catalogues for the Apolda Museum, Germany and exhibited “Apolda Fashion, 2005” at Centro Colombo Gallery, Medellin in 2006. She returned to Colombia to teach self-portraiture to women in poverty in 2010 for the University of Antioquia. She has an ongoing series of self-portraits, “Self-Reflection.”

She has lectured at School of Visual Arts, NYU, Parsons, Yale, Salzburg Summer Art Academy, New Orleans Photo Alliance, Ryerson University, Toronto and was a professor of photography at Stockton College of New Jersey, Indiana University, and Bournemouth College, England. She has a MFA, School of Art, and MS, Newhouse School, Syracuse University and BS from Reed School of Journalism, West Virginia University. She was an assistant at the 1974 Ansel Adams Workshops for Ralph Gibson and in 1987 for Annie Leibovitz and David Hockney. Her photographs are in corporate and private collections such as the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston, American Express, Johnson & Johnson, Library of Congress and is in archives such as Special Collections Bird Library, Syracuse University. She graduated from Toms River High School which named her to their Hall of Fame, and resides in New York City and New Jersey. 

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"Rodeo is sort of this universal expression of rural culture and everybody owns it…Native Americans own it, Mexicans own it, Black folks own it, White people own it…these are American Cowboys." Ivan McClellan grew up with adversity both from outside his family and inside his family. He speaks openly about the trauma and the healing in his life, and the choices he made that took him from acting, to UX design, and to photography. His best known work is a project he calls Eight Seconds, A tribute to the American Cowboy, of which he has an expansive definition. We have a fantastic conversation about mental health, race, and life in Portland. http://eightsecs.com/ https://www.instagram.com/eightsecs/ https://theundefeated.com/features/from-navajo-nation-to-rookie-of-the-year/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"Our job is to keep making work that speaks both to the conflicts as they unfold and also what they are going to mean…our job is to hold our political and military leaders accountable for the decisions they make and the people they affect." Victor Blue is a documentary photographer interested in the aftermath of conflict. He believes it is not enough to just cover the conflict, but that we also need to document the consequences of the decisions and actions of our political leaders. His recent show at the Bronx Documentary Center, Cities in Dust, consisted of a series of panoramic images of the aftermath of the US led airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, which Victor referred to as "broken domesticity" in the show. Victor also understands that the work he produces has to be rewarding to the reader in terms of interest and making people better informed because he is competing for your time with your job, your family and all kinds of distractions. http://www.victorblue.com/ https://www.instagram.com/victorblue/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

MFA Photography, Video, and Related Media, in collaboration with El Museo del Barrio, presents the final program in the Scheimpflug Lecture Series of the spring 2019 semester entitled The Culture of Community: A Latinx Photo Symposium. This episode is from a recording of the Latinx Photo Symposium event. The Real Photo Show was part of the early planning for the show. The show was organized by Liz Zito with discussions led by MFA grads Jordan Cruz and Carla Maldonado. The discussion was moderated by El Museo del Barrio Curator, Susanna V. Temkin and the guests were artists Veronica Sanchis Bencomo, founder of Foto-Feminas, and acclaimed artist Perla De Leon. The Culture of Community: a Latinx Photo Symposium could not be possible without the generous support of ADORAMA and GramArt, as well as the collaborative efforts of Charles Traub, Michael Chovan-Dalton, Liz Zito, Jordan Cruz, Carla Maldonado, Susanna V. Temkin and El Museo del Barrio. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB Links: http://www.veronicasanchis.com/ https://foto-feminas.com/ http://www.jordancorinecruz.com/ http://www.carlamaldonado.com/ http://lizzito.com/ https://www.elmuseo.org/

"I think that the early interest in infrastructure came from riding the subway to high school everyday and standing in the front car with my friends and watching the tunnel." Stanley Greenberg stopped by to talk about his new book CODEX NEW YORK - TYPOLOGIES OF THE CITY. It's a fascinating view of New York City organized by infrastructure, topography, carved out spaces, and architectural history. Stanley walked every block of Manhattan as part of this urban catalog of New York. We talk about how the work started and the discoveries along the way and we will talk about how Stanley got started and how his politics influence his work. https://www.stanleygreenberg.org/ https://www.instagram.com/stanleygreenberg/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I think they see themselves as a second family, a found family, a supportive family and they're young in a way where they are exploring the world and seeing things for the first time, it's very exciting, it's intoxicating…" Michael Joseph was in town for his solo exhibition "Lost and Found" at Daniel Cooney Fine Art Gallery. Michael has some amazing stories about how the "Travelers" work took shape and about the connections he made along the way. We spend a good amount of time talking about one of the more well known Travelers, Knuckles, and how Knuckles' journey gave Michael a deeper understanding of who the Travelers are. Michael’s work “Lost and Found” has been featured on Vice.com and CNN.com. He has been exhibited nationally, most recently at Daniel Cooney Fine Art, (New York, NY) and the Aperture Gallery (New York, NY). He has lectured for Amy Arbus at the International Center of Photography (New York, NY) in portraiture classes at the New England School of Photography (Boston, MA) and taught at the Light Factory (Charlotte, NC). http://www.michaeljosephphotographics.com/ https://www.instagram.com/michaeljosephphoto/ https://www.instagram.com/wildwestoftheeast/ https://www.facebook.com/michaeljphotographics/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"…I'm able to share a story in a small part of American on a large scale and that's not me, per say, that's the story of this culture that's been so overlooked and I feel really thankful that…I've been accepted and I've been able to photograph it…" Rory Doyle, Nicole Craine (Everyday Rural America, Ep.74) and I talk about his award winning Delta Hill Riders photo essay. Rory was in town for portfolio reviews and we talk about the difficulty of getting work outside of the major media parts of the country, which is a large part of the mission of Nicole's Everyday Rural America. We also talk about the responsibility of representing communities that you are not inherently a part of and how you work in those communities with respect. After this recording, Rory was awarded the 2019 Zeiss Photography Award and the 2019 Smithsonian Photo Contest Grand Prize. https://www.rorydoylephoto.com/ https://www.instagram.com/rorydoylephoto/ https://www.facebook.com/rorydvt https://twitter.com/rorydoylephoto This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I feed off of other people, that's really how I teach, I love teaching this way. I like to improvise, I like to go by what is needed." Anja Hitzenberger and I talk about photography, food, Mozart balls, and her new online venture, StrudelmediaLive, where she sometimes teaches from a mountaintop. Anja Hitzenberger is a photographer and video artist whose work focuses on the body and its relationship to architecture and space, as well as themes relating to food and how people eat. Her work has been exhibited in solo and group shows, as well as at film festivals and on theater stages throughout Europe, the United States, South America and Asia, and published internationally in magazines and books. She is the founder of StrudelmediaLIVE, which offers live online interactive photography courses for students participating from locations around the world. She has received numerous art grants and has completed residencies in Rome, Paris, Warsaw and Beijing. She is on the faculty at the International Center of Photography (ICP) in New York, where she teaches personal vision classes. Originally from Salzburg, Austria, she divides her time between New York and Vienna, Austria. http://anjahitzenberger.com/ https://strudelmedialive.com/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

As part of an ongoing series recorded at the 2024 Chico Review, I recorded with photographer Raymond Meeks to discuss his latest book, The Inhabitants published by MACK with an extended poem by George Weld. Ray and I talk about how this work, which traces the passages of refugee crossings inside Spain and France, profoundly affected Ray's approach to making work and how he views his role as a photographer. This episode picks up where Sasha and Ray left off back in episode 51 on PhotoWork with Sasha Wolf.

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Raymond Meeks (Ohio, 1963) has been recognized for his books and pictures centered on memory and place, the way in which a landscape can shape an individual and, in the abstract, how a place possesses you in its absence.  His books have been described as a field or vertical plane for examining interior co-existences, as life moves in circles and moments and events—often years apart—unravel and overlap, informing new meanings.

Raymond Meeks lives and works in the Hudson Valley (New York).  His work is represented in numerous private and public collections.  He is the sixth laureate of Immersion, a French-American photography commission sponsored by Fondation d’entreprise Hermès.  Exhibitions from this commission are scheduled for New York (ICP September, 2023) and Paris (Fondation Henri Cartier-Bresson  September, 2024).  The Inhabitants, a book made in collaboration with writer George Weld, was published in August 2023 by MACK.

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"We spent a lot of time visiting architectural sites when I was a kid…I really grew up with a kind of 6th sense about buildings, about architecture, and about how architectural space creates a kind of narrative and I've been able to take that and translate that into my photographic practice." Andrew L. Moore took some time after teaching his graduate class at the School of Visual Arts to talk about his work. He is probably best known for his books, Detroit Disassembled and Dirt Meridian and we have a pretty intense discussion about what was wrong with the critique of photographing ruins, known as "Ruin Porn." We have a lovely conversation about Andrew's first mentor, Emmet Gowin, and we will also talk about the influence of architecture and the importance of writing which is all very connected to Andrew's work. Andrew will be the juror for the upcoming Rust Belt Biennial. Check the link below to find out more. https://andrewlmoore.com/ https://www.rustbeltbiennial.com/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"Ended up going on a six month road trip from Toronto to Los Angeles…all through the south…living in a van…lived in that total for a year, but six months on the road for a photo trip" Katie Sadie started out as a fashion photographer but quickly realized she wanted more out of the work she was making. She sold off her studio equipment to pay for a 6 month road trip through the American South ending in Los Angeles. She traded studio backdrops for rolls of 120 film, bought a Pentax 6x7 off of Craigslist and purchased a van that she lived and traveled in for about a year. We also have a pretty intense conversation about a photo project she started with her mother who lives with schizophrenia. In just 3 years after restarting her photo career, Katie was a winner of the 2017 Magenta Foundation Emerging Photographer Competition, did a residency at a naturists colony, had that work published in True North Photo Journal, and more work published in Float Magazine, and Aint-Bad, and she was hired to document the production of holiday films for A&E/Lifetime. Katie was visiting New York to meet with photo editors when we recorded this show. Links https://www.katiesadie.com/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"They are really poignant images and they really sort of resonated humanity, and because I didn't know the author, I didn't know the intent or anything, in some ways that allowed me to kind of engage with them. Because I didn't feel like I was being manipulated, I was in control their meaning in some ways." -Oliver Wasow "Since the election, the sort of two dominating emotions for me have been rage and tenderness…This range of photographs in Oliver's work…encompassed this sense." -Mark Alice Durant This episode comes from a live audience show at the Big Room in conjunction with the School of Visual Arts MFA Photo, Video, and Related Media Program and Saint Lucy Books. I sat down with Oliver Wasow and Mark Alice Durant of Saint Lucy to talk about Oliver's book, Friends, Enemies, and Strangers published by Saint Lucy Books. We talk about publishing books, the history of portraiture, the context of images, and how this project was a reaction to the ascendancy of the Trump family to the American presidency. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"This was all slow kind of going as well, an email here and there, and it wasn't until 2014 that Harold's health started to fail quite seriously…and Judith dropped me a line and said, 'if you are serious about doing this film, just fyi, let's get on with it.' So I did and that was where I had to kind of take a bit of a leap of faith. " Filmmaker, Andy Dunn stopped by to talk just hours before the premiere of his documentary, Last Stop Coney Island: The Life and Photography of Harold Feinstein at the DOC NYC festival. The first showing was sold out and second show had just been added. Andy and I talk about Feinstein, his career, his personal life, and his philosophy on life and being a photographer. We also talk about how turning down the Family of Man exhibition and leaving NYC affected his career and how the making of this documentary was affected by Feinstein's decline in health and his ultimate passing. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ https://www.andydunnonline.com/ https://www.feinsteinfilm.com/ http://www.docnyc.net/film/last-stop-coney-island-the-life-and-photography-of-harold-feinstein/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I think the first thing that happened, which is the big overarching theme of the book, was the missing Malaysian plane…and all the kind of mythology and conspiracy that followed it, and that led to a much bigger more personal theme, which is about Andrew, Tom's cousin, who also died in a plane crash." - Paul Kwiatkowski "The book is not a reflection on how we process grief, it is actually processing grief." - Tom Griggs Paul Kwiatkowski and Tom Griggs stop by SVA to talk about their new book, Ghost Guessed. We have a really wonderful conversation about collaboration and personal and public grief. Tom and Paul talk about the experience of making this book and how Tom's loss of his cousin in a plane crash, and Paul's loss of his grandmother to HIV, allowed them to work in partnership with each other to create this narrative about how we try to create order and reason while experiencing life and processing loss. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB Links: http://www.fractionmagazine.com/ghost-guessed https://www.instagram.com/ghost_guessed/ http://www.tomgriggs.net/ https://www.instagram.com/griggstom/ https://twitter.com/uglyboy_paul

Return guest, Michael Joseph, talks about his new book, Lost & Found, published by Kehrer Verlag. You may already know the work from the Travelers series on his Instagram account. This is a beautifully laid out and printed book and we get into many of the details and decisions that went into making this book. First, the decision to publish this series, connecting with an editor, the fundraising, what kinds of text would be used, all the design elements, and finally having it in hand. Michael generously shares each step along the way. We also catch up on how Michael’s next series, The Wild West of the East is coming along.

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Michael Joseph is a street portrait and documentary photographer.  Raised just outside of New York City, his inspirations are drawn from interactions with strangers on city streets and aims to afford his audience the same experience through his photographs.  His portraits are made on the street, often unplanned and up close to allow the viewer to explore the immediate and unseen. Themes throughout his portraiture and projects include identity formation, found family, wanderlust, the human journey, the search for equality and human authenticity.

His first monograph, "Lost and Found: A Portrait of American Wanderlust" will be published in Fall, 2023 (Europe) and Spring, 2024 (USA) by Kehrer Verlag.

Michael’s work has been featured on CNN, Vice, The Guardian, Dazed, AnotherMan, Paper Magazine, HUCK, the Advocate, and published in magazines internationally including Elle, Inked, 1814 and SHOTS. He has been exhibited nationally, with solo shows at Daniel Cooney Fine Art (New York, NY) and the Soho Photo Gallery (New York, NY) and the FP3 Gallery (Boston, MA). Group exhibitions include the notable Aperture Gallery (New York, NY), the Getty Images Gallery (London, UK) and the Griffin Museum of Photography (Massachusetts). He has lectured at the International Center of Photography (New York, NY), the Savannah College of Art and Design (Savannah, GA), in portraiture classes at the New England School of Photography (Boston, MA) and taught at the Light Factory (Charlotte, NC). 

His portraits are held in the permanent collection at the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston (Houston, TX) Fort Wayne Museum of Art (Fort Wayne, Indiana), the Rochester Museum of Fine Arts (Rochester, NH), the Jack Sheer Collection, Tang Teaching Museum and Art Gallery (Saratoga Springs, NY)and private collections. He is a 2023 and 2016 Photolucida Top 50 Photographer, 2020 Photolucida Finalist, and LensCulture Portrait Award Finalist. He is a recipient of the fellowship in photography from the Massachusetts Cultural Council and a grant from the Peter S. Reed Foundation. 

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"I left home because I was getting too comfortable. Comfortable with the type of work I was creating, comfortable around the people I had known for 29 years… " Lynsey Weatherspoon was in New York for Photoville after being named to the Lit List - 30 Image Makers To Watch by the Authortity Collective. Lynsey and I talk about leaving home and taking risks in order change your life and to pursue what you truly want to do. What you will learn about Lynsey is that she doesn't like to get too comfortable or complacent. She changed her home, she changed her profession, and she would start all over again if it seemed like the right time to do so. Lynsey and I also talk about some of her work on Negro League Players, the Gulla Geechee, and a series she did called the Last Cobbler. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links: http://www.lynseyweatherspoon.com/ https://www.facebook.com/lnweatherspoon https://www.instagram.com/lnweatherspoon/ https://twitter.com/lnweatherspoon Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"The analogy I always use is that we are on this table as a society, but we don't see that we are getting pushed closer and closer to the edge and we're comfortable because we are still on the table, but now we are looking at the edge and we are freaking out." Bunni Elian is an alum of the Bronx Documentary Center and one of the original members of the Bronx Photo League. Her work on the Afropunk music festival earned her a Pulitzer Center grant and was just featured on the Picture Show, NPR's photo story site. Bunni is a multimedia journalist and her work explores the cultural implications of the African Diaspora which is directly tied to Bunni's own journey of finding herself. We talk about politics, race, and how her pre-med education informs her work. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links: https://www.hellobunni.com/ https://www.instagram.com/hellobunni/ https://www.facebook.com/MelissaBunniElian/ https://twitter.com/bunnisays https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2018/09/02/643074020/afropunk-brings-the-black-lives-matter-ethos-abroad Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I was like, If I spend as much time working on my own stuff as I do working at this desk I could probably make just about anything happen, so goodbye." Nicole Craine's successes in the documentary/photojournalism world can be attributed to her ability to know when it's time to walk away and when it's time to lean in. Nicole has walked away from a couple of steady photo related jobs in New York that others would kill to have in order to pursue her work and, one time, so she could meet Quest Love, more on that in the show. Those moments created space in her life where she could then lean in to pursue opportunities by not being afraid to just call people up. This led to getting into the Eddie Adams workshop, joining the Everyday Project, showing her work to the New York Times, and receiving some serious interest in her family-based project. We hit upon a lot different topics in this episode such as race, politics, censorship, and the getting work as a female photojournalist. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links: https://www.nicolecraine.com/ https://www.instagram.com/everydayruralamerica/ https://www.instagram.com/nicole_craine/ https://www.facebook.com/nicole.craine https://twitter.com/Nicole_Craine Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I want nuanced reflections and questions…that's why I like literature…if a book didn't do that you would not be interested and you would throw it away…so I think photography should beckon the same kinds of responses…" Sarah Blesener dropped out of school at an early age to pursue alternative forms of education which included a year of flight school. She describes herself as very goal driven with a desire to get things done quickly, which accounts for how much she has accomplished in a relatively short period of time. Sarah has an impressive list of awards, clients, publications, shows, and lectures all within the last 3 years. We talk about her work and how having it out in the world for others to interpret filled her with self-doubt at first but then gave her a better understanding how the photograph can create conversation and it also helped Sarah get a better sense of where she wants to go philosophically with future work. http://www.sarah-blesener.com/ http://www.sarah-blesener.com/instagram/ https://www.facebook.com/sarah.blesener https://twitter.com/sarah_blesener This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I looked back on my life and was like, I've done a lot of tearing down, a lot of dismantling of my life to move on to something else and grow, and I thought maybe I don't need to do that…" Reuben Radding's path to photography can be traced through his love of music. He dropped out of High School to play music and to be with a community that got him away from his abusive father, who was also a musician. Music brought him to New York City in the early 90's where he played at the Knitting Factory, which would eventually lead to his love of photographing in New York. There were times when Reuben tried to break-up with music by pursuing writing, but he would always come back to music. Even now, Reuben judges his photographic compositions the way he would a musical composition, by how well it organically all comes together. We talk about all of this and more, including how Reuben ended up writing for porn magazines and testing software for Microsoft on this episode of Real Photo Show. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links: http://www.reubenradding.com/street-work https://www.instagram.com/reuben_radding/ https://twitter.com/ReubenRadding https://www.facebook.com/reuben.radding Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I think even in storytelling and making pictures there's so much noise and it's so busy and here's this conflict and this violence and for me it's just about people, I just want to see them." Sara Hylton uses portraiture to tell the stories of the oppressed, abused, and the underrepresented. Much of her work focuses on discrimination against women and their resilience in the face of systemic class and gender bias. We talk about how Sara developed this sense of social justice, how she chose photography as her method of communication, and what it takes to gain the trust of those who have every right to be suspicious of others. http://www.sarahylton.com/ https://www.instagram.com/sarahyltonphoto/ https://twitter.com/sarahyltonphoto https://www.facebook.com/sara.hylton.12 This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"That was at the very end of Thailand, I was just starting to think I didn't want to play poker anymore and I was starting to be drawn to something maybe a little more creative which I had never done in my whole life…" Aaron Berger taught himself photography by studying the tech specs that are included with photos on Flickr® and looking at photographers such as Garry Winogrand on the internet. His path to photography started with a realization that he was not going to be a professional soccer player which lead to a lucrative career in internet poker and a failed attempt to be a YouTube® star. We talk about how all of this leads Aaron to New York with a point and shoot film camera. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ LINKS: http://www.aaron-berger.com/ http://www.aaron-berger.com/workshops https://www.instagram.com/aaronbergerfoto/ https://www.facebook.com/aaron.berger.9 Photo of Aaron © Andre D Wagner Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/ Michael Chovan-Dalton on FB

David De Lira (he/they) is a queer, BIPOC, lens-based artist and educator born and raised in northern Mexico. He is currently based in Schenectady & Syracuse, New York. I met David at the Biennial Homecoming show at RIT this past winter. David’s work explores their connection and relationship to a white queer community that he married into with their partner. David’s photographs of this community are often made within or accompanied by images of northern landscape that is equally new to David’s life. We talk about how David came to be where he is and how David’s family and friends informs who he is and how that is all revealed in David’s work.

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David De Lira (he/they) is a queer, BIPOC, lens-based artist born in 1991 Raised in northern Mexico, De Lira currently residing in Schenectady, New York. De Lira holds a BA in Art History & Studio Art from SUNY Albany (2019) and an MFA in Art Photography at Syracuse University (2023). His undergraduate education dramatically influenced his aesthetic, formal skills, and research interests for his present work in art photography.

De Lira’s work concentrates on intimacy, desire, and love, which have been important elements of his own embodiment, along with the subjects of his photographic gaze, who are part of his chosen family--his husband, friends and lovers. 

He consciously uses elements of light, color, gesture, and pose to imbue his photographs with emotional and psychological intensity. De Lira’s work does not attempt to provide definitive answers. Rather, he invites viewers to engage with others in an intimate, meaningful way, requiring them to reflect on their own identities in the process. 

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"When the shelling got too bad my mom would hide us in the bathroom and say it's just raining really hard and this is the safest spot in the house." Rola Khayyat grew up during the Lebanese Civil War but when talking about her experience she doesn't focus on the horrors, she focuses on the richness of her life and how her mother protected her children and gave them a sense of security and home. Life during conflict is at the heart of Rola's work and also became the creative drive behind the work of her siblings and her mother. We talk about all of this with a focus on Rola's documentary, "From Brooklyn to Beirut" about a community of Lebanese Jews in New York and their connection to Lebanon. https://rolakhayyat.com/ https://www.instagram.com/rolesk/ https://www.facebook.com/RolaKhayyatPhotography/ https://twitter.com/rolakhayyat This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.org @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"The people that I dealt with were quite fascinating to me because I came from a completely different perspective and I began following them and I said they support me there's no reason for me not to support them." Peter Kasovitz is the co-founder of K&M Camera which has been in business for 42 years. It's an institution among photographers from all around the world and Peter's generosity and support for students and established photographers is know by many. Peter and I spoke at SVA which was meaningful for the both of us, SVA brought many customers to K&M, including me, and it was while I was a student at SVA that I learned first hand of Peter's generosity. We also talk about Peter's relationships with some great photographers such as Robert Frank and Roy DeCarava. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I really wanted to kind of tackle women being empowered by physical fitness, and being empowered by sports, and what let me into that was discovering roller derby." Andréanna Seymore's interest in photographing women in sports as a source of empowerment can be traced back to her own experience of giving up sports in school because there was no support or expectation of success for women in sports. She also sees her mother, a lawyer who defended tenants from eviction, as inspiration for her interest in promoting strong women. We talk about Andréanna's work, starting a Literacy and Math Program through Photography, her love of Roller Derby, her father the pirate, and the hazards of wet-plate nudist photography. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links http://www.andreanna.com/ https://www.instagram.com/andreannaseymore/ https://www.facebook.com/pointn.shoot.1 https://www.schifferbooks.com/scars-stripes-the-culture-of-modern-roller-derby-5612.html | Book Visit www.thephotoshow.org @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"I don't think I was really ready to break out as a photographer, but I was ready to break out as like my own spirit." Joseph Michael Lopez is a documentary photographer. His interest in photography started while he was a cinematographer. Joseph is mostly self-taught and his work often involves concerns for social justice which is a character trait he attributes to the life story of his mother who escaped Cuba in 1967. Joseph's work has appeared on the cover of M, The Magazine for Leica M Photography, The Sunday Review of The New York Times, New York magazine and The New Yorker, among others. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ LINKS https://www.josephmlopez.com/ https://www.facebook.com/joseph.m.lopez https://www.instagram.com/josephmlopez/ https://twitter.com/JosephMLopezNYC http://m-magazine.photography/ceemes/en/magazine/m-magazine-no-3.html Visit www.thephotoshow.org @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB Photo by Rachel Elizabeth Seed

"When you're 3 or 5 years old and you're understanding that your grandma fits bras, you don't think about it in a sexual way…I just equated bras with, oh people go see grandma Selma feeling uncomfortable and they leave feeling better." Nomi Ellenson is a body positive and sex positive boudoir photographer. As a freelance fashion photographer, Nomi felt limited by what she was assigned to shoot in terms of promoting a specific kind of beauty. She started her own business so she could help change the narrative on what it means for someone to feel beautiful. She credits her photographic practice to a combination of influences. She is the daughter of two rabbis who believe in community service and putting your whole self into your work. She is also the great-great-granddaughter of the founder of The Town Shop, a well known lingerie store in Manhattan. Nomi describes her shoots as collaborations and those collaborations require that she develop a sense of trust with her clients, something she learned to do as a child watching her grandmother fit women for bras in the family store. We talk about Nomi's path to photography, learning how to run a business, and we even do a bit of tech-talk near the end of the show. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links: http://www.naomiellenson.com/ https://www.instagram.com/nomifoto/ https://www.instagram.com/boudoirbynomi/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB

"That's the thing I get most excited about with photography is what you can hide from the viewer and how you can frame your work to make it something that is very specific or might not be seen just passing by." Katie Kline's photography was influenced by her father's job at Disneyland and their frequent trips to the land of artifice. Now Katie sees a little Disney wherever she travels and you can see it in her landscapes and the way she records the details of places that aspire to be more. Katie also teaches photography at a High School in North Hollywood California and we talk about the benefits of learning photography by shooting film and using a traditional darkroom. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Links: http://www.katiekline.com/ https://www.instagram.com/katiekline/ https://www.instagram.com/robertkline/ (Katie's father's IG) Visit www.thephotoshow.org realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow

Photographer, Louis Chavez and I have a conversation about New Intimacies, Louis’ photographic study of gay cruising. It is inspired by Peter Hujar’s work but takes a more experimental approach with more inspiration by writings of José Esteban Muñoz. We also discuss Louis’ work as a curatorial assistant at the George Eastman Museum and, as your teaser, you just might learn a little bit about the Situationist International and Pscyhogeography. Louis was also kind enough to send a video slideshow on the Real Photo Show YouTube channel so you can see the work while listening.

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Louis Chavez is a photographer and curator based in New York. Their solo exhibition, New Intimacies, was exhibited at the University of Rochester’s Hartnett Gallery in 2021 and at PeepSpace in Tarrytown, NY in 2023. Chavez was a participant in SOILED: The Downtown Dirty Book Fair, curated by Matthew Leifheit in 2022, and was a graduate presenter at the Society for Photographic Education’s national conference in 2023. In addition to their visual arts practice, Chavez is a curatorial assistant in photography at the George Eastman Museum in Rochester, NY. They were a guest curator at Visual Studies Workshop in 2020 and a studio assistant to photographer Joshua Rashaad McFadden in 2021. Chavez holds an M.F.A. in Photography and Related Media from the Rochester Institute of Technology and a B.S. (summa cum laude) from SUNY Brockport.

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