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14 Bloody shadows on the wall23 Nov 202402:19:23

In this episode, your hosts tell you stories you best not try at home: political assassinations, successful and failed, in Sweden and France.

From the Middle Ages to the 2OthC, discover stories bigger than fiction which sadly don't include dragons :((

Also, we have a Very Exciting Announcement: we're starting a Patreon! Find out more at the end of the episode and directly at the mouth of the river of time: Ragman's Patreon

Tell your friends and even your enemies about this episode, and if you liked what you hear, leave us a firework of stars and rave about us in a review on your podcast app of choice.

You can contact us at:

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

Sources and ressources:

  • Lo
  • Nyköpings gästabud

Historielingo - Avsnitt 63: Håtunaleken

Historielingo - Avsnitt 64: Nyköpings gästabud

  • Killing of Erik XIV

P3 Historia: Erik XIV - Intriger, brodermord och skandalös kärlek

P3 Historia: Johan III - Krig, intriger och en mördad bror

  • Assassination of Olof Palme

https://www.so-rummet.se/kategorier/olof-palme 

https://www.so-rummet.se/kategorier/palmemordet 

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordet_p%C3%A5_Olof_Palme 

Olof Palme - Hanoi Speech 1972 (eng)

https://dissidences.hypotheses.org/5716

https://www.histoire-en-citations.fr/citations/portrait-de-jean-jaures-en-citations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lm27IxQS8c 

https://www.ina.fr/ina-eclaire-actu/video/afe85009640/l-attentat-du-petit-clamart

https://www.gendarmerie.interieur.gouv.fr/gendinfo/histoire/adjudant-francis-marroux-le-destin-d-un-gendarme-de-la-resistance-a-l-elysee

 

 

Ep 13 "Oh the banners!": of sigils and heraldry26 Sep 202401:47:52

In this episode, your hosts take you on a journey to medieval and not so medieval Europe to explore the rich world of heraldry to compare it to its Westeros counterpart: sigils. 

Who gets to have a coat of arms? How to pick your doodle? What are the rules? Are imaginary coat of arms a new thing?

We discovered so much we didn't know about, it was an actual delight to learn so much -and hopefully you enjoy learning with us. It's not just pretty images, but it is *also* pretty images. And identity. 

Tell your friends and even your enemies about this episode, and if you liked what you hear, leave us a firework of stars and rave about us in a review on your podcast app of choice.

You can contact us at:

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

Sources: 

Virginie:

- Dictionnaire du Moyen Âge : "héraldique", article par Michel Pastoureau

-         http://chroniques.bnf.fr/archives/sept2002/numero_courant/manifestations/pastoureau_inter.htm

- Blasonner en latin (xiie-xvie siècle) - Michel Pastoureau https://books.openedition.org/psorbonne/21154?lang=fr

https://journals.openedition.org/extremeorient/110

https://books.openedition.org/pufr/16462?lang=fr

  • Les Armoiries de Paris - Marc DECLERCK
  • Le Blason des Temps Nouveau - Catalogue de l’exposition
  • Armorial de la ville de Paris

https://essentiels.bnf.fr/fr/image/ba845ff7-2c3b-4a38-b1dd-02cfefe6a771-armorial-la-table-ronde-1

http://quetedugraal.over-blog.com/blasons-des-chevaliers-de-la-table-ronde/

https://herald-dick-magazine.blogspot.com/2015/09/la-quete-du-graal-dans-les-manuscrits.html?m=1

 

Lo:

 https://varumarkesmanual.uppsala.se/tillampningar/uppsalas-stadsvapen/

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholms_stadsvapen 

“Heraldiken i Sverige” - Magnus Bäckmark & Jesper Wasling

 

05 Unnatural Histories13 Mar 202402:43:38

In this episode, your hosts take you on a cruise to discover real world creatures that are extremely real, as our friends the Orcs of Winterfell reminded us, and as attested by medieval bestiaries.

We also draw parallels with what creatures we see in the books A Song of Ice and Fire, A World of Ice and Fire as well as Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon the TV shows: dragons, unicorns, wyverns etc. and even weirwood trees!

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

Sources and ressources:

Lo's sources: 

“Drakspår: på jakt efter världens mest kända reptil” - Bo Eriksson

“Nordiska väsen” - Johan Egerkrans

“Folktrons väsen” - Tora Wall

“Smöjning & rotdragning” - När man talar om trollen

“Bäckahästen” - När man talar om trollen

“Sjöodjur” - När man talar om trollen

“Ormen i myt och folktro” - När man talar om trollen

Virginie's sources:

Licornes/ unicorns : Michel Pastoureau, Bestiaires du Moyen Âge

Tarasque : https://books.openedition.org/gup/399  https://books.openedition.org/editionsmsh/3565

Dragons : https://journals.openedition.org/leportique/171#tocto2n4

Vouivre/ Wyvern: https://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/divers16-08/010041931.pdf

04 Cats of the Harbour and beyond01 Feb 202402:03:56

In episode four of the podcast we talk all about the cats of ASOIAF and our world. What function has cats had in our world historically, and how does that parallel ASOIAF? Are there cats in mythology and religion (in ASOIAF and irl)? Is Ser Pounce the true hero of the story? Join us on a feline trip through ASOIAF and history!

 

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

 

You can contact us at:

ragmanspod@gmail.com

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BlueSky

 

Sources and resources

Lo:

“Medieval Pets” - Kathleen Walker-Meikle

“Människan och faunan: Etnobiologi i Sverige” - Håkan Tunón

“Kattens historia: Sverige speglat i kattens öga” - Gunnar Broberg

"Freyja predicted the future"- Historiska museet

"Nedslag i nordisk mytologi, del 11: Freja" - Malin Kim

“Magic, Genderfluidity, and queer Vikings, ca. 750‐1050” - Jacob Bell

“The Queerly Departed: Narratives of Veneration in the Burials of Late Iron Age Scandinavia.” - Lee Colwill in Trans and Genderqueer Subjects in Medieval Hagiography, eds. Alicia Spencer-Hall & Blake Gutt.

 

Virginie:

"L'homme et le chat, un dialogue immémorial"- Radio France

"Chat" - Au Blason Des Armoiries

"Bestiaries" - Michel Pastoureau

"Médiéval bestiaries" - Michel Pastoureau

"Black: History of a colour" - Michel Pastoureau

"Les Fleurs du Mal" - Charles Baudelair

"Le Roman de Renart"

"Le Chat" - Guillaume Apollinaire

03 What’s in a name?26 Dec 202302:34:54

Today on the 26th of December, the Titan of Braavos brings you a gift: episode 3 of Ragman's Harbour!

In our third episode, we discuss naming conventions in ASOIAF and our real world. How did last names come to be a thing in our world, and how does that parallel last names in ASOIAF? Why are there so many Aegons in ASOIAF history, as well as many Louis and Gustavs in French and Swedish history? (Spoiler: it has to do with one of Virginie's favourite words)

We also discuss the effects of colonisation and slavery on the naming of people, both in ASOIAF and our own world. So get ready to learn all about names and what they say about norms and structures in society!

 

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

 

You can contact us at:

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BlueSky

 

Sources and resources

Lo:

“Efternamn i Sverige” - Institutet för språk och folkminnen 

“Historik om personnamn i Sverige” - Institutet för språk och folkminnen

“De naturliga efternamnen” Statistikmyndigheten SCB

“Svenska förnamn genom historien - från Eskil till Estelle” - Åke Steinwall 

“Namnskick i forna tider” - Svenska Heraldiska föreningen

“‘De kunde ju tro man var en finnpajsare’” - Karin Skoglund 

“Om Tornedalens namnskick i äldre tid” - Erik Kouksu 

“Svenska kyrkan och det samiska namnskicket: Övergripande perspektiv” - Marit Frändén 

“‘Att blotta vem jag är’ - Släktnamnsskick och släktnamnsbyten hos samer i Sverige 1920–2009” - Marit Frändén 

“Namn i kyrkböckerna” - Sametinget 

“The Multiple Burdens of Foreign-Named Men—Evidence from a Field Experiment on Gendered Ethnic Hiring Discrimination in Sweden” - Moa Bursell. 

 

Virginie:

"Famille et pouvoir dans le monde Franc" (chapitre VI) - Régine Le Jan

"Noms de famille et noms de terre dans la noblesse française à l’époque moderne" - Élie Haddad

"Du son à la scription, la trace indélébile du nom: À propos d’une blessure héritée de l’esclavage aux Antilles-Guyane" - Philippe Chanson

02 Of Scandals and Bastards06 Dec 202303:01:07

In our second episode, we dive into a variety of sex scandals and issues of inheritance, from our own world and ASOIAF. As we go along, we discuss what happens when royals have sex out of wedlock, but also what rights bastards have in various historical and cultural contexts. And much more.

We want to give a brief apology for the audio quality in this episode. We had some issues when recording, that has since been identified and won't be a problem in future episodes. This is also the reason why this episode took a bit longer to come out. Thank you LittleWolfBird for helping us with audio engineering and making all sound as good as possible!

 

Thank you also to  Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com.

 

You can contact us at:

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BlueSky

 

Sources and resources

Lo:

P3 Historia: Cecilia Vasa - Sveriges mesta skandalprinsessa

P3 Historia: Erik XIV - Intriger, brodermord och skandalös kärlek

P3 Historia: Karin Månsdotter - pigan som blev drottning av Sverige

“Maidens, maidenheads, and the patriarchy - Virginity norms in ASOIAF” - Lo the Lynx

 “Kungar, sex och skandaler - en studie av skvaller och journalistik” Mia-Marie Hammerlin & Lars-Eric Jönsson

“A Brief Trans History” - Lo the Lynx

“The queer stories of Fire and Blood - Lo the Lynx

P3 Historia: Axel von Fersen - kärleksaffärer, revolutioner och en vrålande lynchmobb

 

Virginie:

"Bâtard et fils a putain : du titre à l’insulte" - Dominique Lagorgette

Épisode 16 - Marie-Lise et les bâtards de princes • PM (passionmedievistes.fr)

Guillaume le Conquérant, le bâtard de Normandie, Paris, Belin 2014 | Gilduin Davy - Academia.edu

Bâtards et bâtardises dans l’Europe médiévale et moderne - La perception des bâtards au xve siècle - Presses universitaires de Rennes (openedition.org)

Jean de Bourgogne batard de Jean sans Peur | MAILLARD-LUYPAERT MONIQUE - Academia.edu

« Humbert le Bâtard : un seigneur itinérant au service de son prince », dans L'itinérance des seigneurs, actes du Colloque international, éd. A. Paravicini Bagliani, E. Pibiri, D. Reynard, Lausanne, 2003, p. 5-25 (CLHM, 34). | Guido Castelnuovo - Academia.edu

Éric Bousmar, Alain Marchandisse, Christophe Masson et Bertrand Schnerb éd., La Bâtardise et l’exercice du pouvoir en Europe du xiiie au début du xive siècle (openedition.org)

Le siège de Toul, en 1420, sous l'épiscopat de Henri de Ville : fragments historiques / par Charles Hequet,... | Gallica (bnf.fr)

01 The Red Wedding and Other Bloodbaths12 Sep 202301:23:18
12 And the dragons danced (HotD season 2 discussion w/Bidonica)23 Aug 202402:50:37

In this episode we discuss season 2 of House of the Dragon with a special guest, Bidonica! Together we talk about art in ASOIAF/HotD compared to the history of art in our world, (trans)gender politics in HotD and our world, language and power, class politics, and more! 

And also why Italian fan artists draw Sansa with dark hair... 

 

You can contact us at:

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Where to find Bidonica:

https://x.com/bidonica1

https://bidonicart.tumblr.com/

https://bidonica.tumblr.com/

 

Art in HotD tag: https://bidonica.tumblr.com/tagged/art%20in%20hotd

Art in Westeros: https://bidonica.tumblr.com/tagged/art%20in%20westeros 

 

Bidonica's references:

Umberto Eco, Il nome della rosa, Bompiani 1980 

Pentiment (videogame) 

Proserpine (artwork by Dante Gabriel Rossetti)

Ellen Terry as Lady MacBeth (artwork by John Singer Sargent)

Dance (artwork by Henri Matisse)

Erotic revelry - Athenian Red Figure column krater

 

Lo's references:

“Missbrukad kvinnokraft” - Ellen Key

“Fenixelden: Drottning Kristina som alkemist” by Susanna Åkerman

”A brief trans history” - Lo

“Writing migration through the body” by Emma Bond

“The Queerly Departed: Narratives of Veneration in the Burials of Late Iron Age Scandinavia” by Lee Colwil 

“Magic, Genderfluidity, and queer Vikings ca. 750-1050” by Jacob Bell

“Fa'afafine, fakaleitī, fakafifine — understanding the Pacific's alternative gender expressions” by Alan Weedon

“What does “Two-Spirit” Mean?” - by Geo Neptune

 

Virginie's references:

Leitis in Waiting (documentary)

Kumo Hina (documentary). And a shorter clip from the documentary, explaining what māhū is.

Ragman's Harbour episode 2 "Of Scandals and bastards" (references for all discussions about bastards can be found there!)

 

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

11 Mini-episode: tv show recommendations13 Aug 202401:10:22

Are you feeling bereft after season 2 of HotD? Not sure what to do with your free time? We are here for you! In this mini-episode, we provide tv show recommendations to fill the void that HotD might have left in your life.

 

Lo's recommendations:

SKAM

Young Royals

Ragnarok 

 

Virginie's recommendations: 

Polar Park

Icon of French Cinema

Peepoodo and the Super Fuck Friends

 

Unplanned bonus chat about:

Jordskott

Maria Wern

Nói albinói (Icelandic movie)

 

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Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

 

10 Mini-episode: book recommendations!24 Jul 202401:07:09

During this HotD season, we thought both our dear listeners and ourselves could use a break from just talking about the dragon show. So here is the second of three mini-episode where we recommend stuff to you all! In this episode we talk books!

 

Lo’s books & authors:

  • Stöld (Stolen) - Ann-Helén Laestadius (Sápmi/Sweden)
  • Kallocain - Karin Boye (Sweden)
  • Muminböckerna (The Moomin Books) - Tove Jansson (Finland)

Virginie’s books & authors:

  • La Jument Verte (the Green Mare) by Marcel Aymé (France)
  • Métaphysique des Tubes (the character of rain) by Amélie Nothomb (Belgium)
  • Daniel Pennac’s “Malaussène Saga” (<- unofficial name): The Scapegoat, The Fairy Gunmother, Write to Kill, Monsieur Malaussène, Passion Fruit (France)
  • Svend Åge Madsen’s At Fortælle Menneskene (Narrating the People) and Tugt og Utugt i Mellemtiden (Virtue and Vice in the Middle Time) (Denmark, in Danish)

 

Unplanned bonus chat about:

Lo: Pippi Långstrump (Pippi Longstocking) by Astrid Lindgren (Sweden). 

Ronja Rövardotter (Ronia, the Robber’s daughter) by Astrid Lindgren (Sweden).

And other assorted books by Astrid Lindgren. 

 

Virginie: Astérix by Goscinny & Uderzo (France).

Tintin by Hergé (Belgium).

Ps: the “twelve things to do of Astérix” is actually called “the Twelve Tasks of Astérix” and the task where they have to get a permit (A38) is called "The Place that sends you mad"

 

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Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

 

BONUS EPISODE: The Silent Harbour outtake (HotD S2E3)07 Jul 202400:14:35

The Ragman's Harbour visited The Silent Sisters to chat about House of the Dragon season 2 episode 3! We had so much to say that not everything could fit in the podcast episode, so here is an outtake just for our listeners. Join us as we discuss how the name Ulf comes from the Swedish/Norse world "ulv", meaning "wolf", the history of that word and other taboo words, and the history of languages in general.

And of course, go listen to the whole episode with The Silent Sisters!

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com (remixed for this episode by LittleWolfBird)!

09 Mini-episode: Movie recommendations!02 Jul 202401:00:00

During this HOT HotD season, we thought both our dear listeners and ourselves could use a break from just talking about the dragon show. So here is the first of three mini-episode where we recommend stuff to you all! In this episode we talk movies!

 

Lo talked about, in chronological order:

  • The Millenium movies, especially Män som hatar kvinnor/The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo - by Niels Arden Oplev & Daniel Alfredson (the movie with a journalist and hacker trying to solve the 40 year old mystery of a missing girl, while also delving into social inequality in Sweden)
  • Fucking Åmål/Show Me Love - by Lukas Moodysson (90s movie about two teenage girls falling in love in the small town Åmål) 
  • Portrait de la jeune fille en feu/Portrait of a Lady on Fire- by Céline Sciamma (the sapphic love story between a painter and a lady of the gentry in 18th century France. Gay and sad.) 

 

Virginie talked about, in chronological order:

  • La vie est un long fleuve tranquille -by Etienne Chatilliez (the movie with switched babies that’s all about making fun of rich and catholic people because we think class humour is the best)
  • Les Visiteurs -by Jean-Marie Poiré (the medievalist movie that’s absolutely not historically accurate but that we love to loathe -or just love- and makes fun of rich people because class humour is really our thing)
  • La cité de la peur (le film des Nuls) by Alain Berberian (the movie that made me laugh when explaining its plot because the words “serial killer” are a joke in it but also, there’s a serial killer)
  • Les trois frères -by Didier Bourdon & Bernard Campan (the movie that’s about three brothers who didn’t know they’re brothers, who find out when their biological mother dies and leaves them a supposedly large heirloom. It of course makes fun of rich people but not only that! In a cult scene, you may discover we had the Wheel of Fortune in France. You may also discover how… dangerous it is to drive while high on ecstasy. And so much more)

You can contact us at:

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

08 Of Blood and fire (HotD season 1 discussion w/ Obie)12 Jun 202403:04:19

In this episode we welcome our first guest, Obie, to discuss season 1 of House of the Dragon ahead of the season 2 premiere. 

Together we recap season 1 and discuss how it works as an adaptation of Fire & Blood. We also discuss reproductive rights in Sweden, France, and Aruba, a queen who was a king, and the real life Aegon the Conqueror (but Frankish).

Join us in the HotD hype!

 

You can contact us at:

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

 

Sources and resources:

“Missbrukad kvinnokraft” - Ellen Key

“Kvinnans villkorliga frigivning” - Eva Moberg

“Elise "Ottar" Ottesen-Jensen”-RFSU

Sveriges sexigaste 80-åring!- RFSU (excerpt of interview with Ottar)

“Fenixelden: Drottning Kristina som alkemist.” - Susanna Åkerman

“Kroppar sedda utifrån cripteori.” - Renita Sörensdotter (in the anthology “Kroppsfunktion. En antologi”, edited by Frida Sandström)

Disability, gender, and sexuality in ASOIAF – Lo the Lynx

“Hodor - a study of disability and sexuality” - Lo the Lynx

 

07 Of Grumpkins and Snarks08 May 202402:02:11

In this episode, your hosts take you on a second cruise through folklore and chivalric romance to discover more real world people-like creatures and humanish people that are just as real as national borders that parallel characters (or not) from ASOIAF/ Game of Thrones.

We still don't mention her because we're horrible people, but you know this episode is in honour of Old Nan, our queen of love and stories <3

Tell your friends and even your enemies about this episode, and if you liked what you hear, leave us a firework of stars and rave about us in a review on your podcast app of choice.

You can contact us at:

ragmanspod@gmail.com

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BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

Sources and ressources:

* Lo's sources:

“The Flying Noaidi of the North: Sámi Tradition Reflected in the Figure Loki Laufeyjarson in Old Norse Mythology” - Triin Laidoner “Folktrons väsen” - Tora Wall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7lkzJuDTws&ab_channel=Biblibiblioteken “Jättar” - När man talar om trollen “Trollen i myt och folktro” - När man talar om trollen “Bortbytingar och bergtagna” - När man talar om trollen https://kulturminnet.wordpress.com/2021/10/29/nordisk-folktro-del-36-bergtagning/ 

*Virginie's sources:

Mélusine : - biblio : https://biblioweb.hypotheses.org/25001 - “Dictionnaire du Moyen Âge imaginaire - le médiévalisme, hier et aujourd’hui” sous la direction de : Anne Besson, William Blanc et Vincent Ferré - Structure des légendes mélusinniennes : https://www.persee.fr/doc/ahess_0395-2649_1978_num_33_2_293927 - Le beau et le laid : https://books.openedition.org/pup/4057

Les lavandières de la nuit:

- Musée : https://www.mbaq.fr/fr/nos-collections/peintures-d-inspiration-bretonne/yan-dargent-les-lavandieres-de-la-nuit-315.html - Le pouvoir et la foi au Moyen Âge : https://books.openedition.org/pur/141442?lang=fr

06 Of snarks and grumpkins13 Apr 202402:15:54

In this episode, your hosts take you on a cruise to discover real world people-like creatures and animalistic people that are definitely real (or were!) that parallel characters and, hmm, stories from ASOIAF/ Game of Thrones.

We don't mention her because we're horrible people, but you know this episode is in honour of Old Nan <3

Tell your friends and even your enemies about this episode, and if you liked what you hear, leave us a firework of stars and rave about us in a review on your podcast app of choice.

You can contact us at:

ragmanspod@gmail.com

Twitter/X

BlueSky

Thank you LittleWolfBird for the sound engineering, and thank you to Matt Graham for the theme music with sounds from zapsplat.com!

Sources and ressources:

* Lo's sources:

“Folktrons väsen” - Tora Wall

“Nordiska väsen”- Johan Egerkrans

“Skogsrået, näcken och Djävulen: Erotiska naturväsen och demonisk sexualitet i 1600- och 1700-talens Sverige” - Mikael Häll

“Queer Perspectives on Erotic Human-Supernatural Encounters in Finland-Swedish Folk Legends” - Catarina Harjunen

“Gruvrået” - När man talar om trollen

“Skogsrået” - När man talar om trollen

“Varulven” - När man talar om trollen

 

* Virginie's sources:

Meneux d’loups : 

https://www.persee.fr/doc/mar_0758-4431_2002_num_30_1_1768

 

Dones d’aigua : https://www.catalunyamagrada.cat/llocs/dona-daigua-misteriosa-llegenda-del-montseny_41160102.html 

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aigua#Enlla%C3%A7os_externs 

 

Lamiak :

file:///C:/Users/virsi/Downloads/Dialnet-LamiasYSirenasATravesDeLaSimbologia-308255.pdf

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