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From Consulting to Law School and Back with Ashwin Aravind (pt. 1)
04 Jun 2025
01:09:36
In this episode, I reconnect with Ashwin Aravind, Head of Operations at Lightyear. Ashwin has been a high-octane performer all his life, spanning school and career. Starting with his undergrad years at UC Berkeley, where Ashwin majored in Molecular and Cell Biology as well as Business Administration, we follow his forays into consulting and law school before ultimately transitioning to the tech sector. Ashwin reflects on the proactive and strategic nature of his career decisions, consulting mentors, and evaluating trade-offs, only to recognize in retrospect how some choices didn't align with his true motivations.
We wrap this conversation with him finishing law school, foregoing the bar, and returning to consulting. Stay tuned after this discussion for Part 2, where we discuss his transition to tech and operations.
00:00 Introduction to the Push-Pull Podcast 02:27 Meet Ashwin Aravind: A Journey Through Education and Career 14:11 Early Career Decisions and Consulting 15:31 The Law School Decision 29:35 Experiences at Stanford Law School 35:38 Questioning the Law School Grind 38:07 Exploring Other Interests at Stanford 41:01 Internships and Realizations 46:05 The Consulting Pivot 51:13 Navigating Post-Law School Decisions 01:00:16 Final Decision: Consulting Over Law
I Didn’t Want to Leave. I Just Wanted to Grow.
28 May 2025
00:19:30
Today I discuss my personal journey of leaving prior jobs in search of greater fulfillment. I compare my experience to what I learned in 'Job Moves' by Bob Moesta, Ethan Bernstein, and Michael B. Horn, highlighting how people's motivations for staying in or leaving jobs often go beyond compensation and job features. This book deftly expands to the role of employers in fostering employee growth and satisfaction, the potential for flexible role designs in the workplace, and the benefits of understanding what truly excites and motivates employees.
00:09 Personal Career Reflections 02:53 Features vs. Experiences in Job Descriptions 03:58 Common Beneath-the-Surface Push and Pull Factors 05:38 The Importance of People Development 07:30 Crafting a Role That Fits 09:45 Building a Team Your Employees Want to Rehire 13:40 Flexible Role Designs and the Future of Work 16:38 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
Episode 3 - Rajan Trivedi
26 Mar 2025
01:08:15
In this episode, I interview Rajan Trivedi, a seasoned product leader who has made significant transitions across various industries. Rajan shares his unique framework for career transitions, focusing on the utility of making switches focused on either industry or function. He delves into his journey from consulting to the public sector, a startup in Kenya, and finally to product management roles at Prudential and Chegg. Rajan also discusses his changing risk appetite, the nuances of being a people manager, and the critical role of data in driving product decisions. Don’t miss this in-depth discussion on career growth, adaptability, and leadership.
00:00 Introduction to the Push-Pull Podcast 02:16 Interview with Rajan Trivedi Begins 03:06 Rajan's Early Career and Education 03:46 Consulting Experience and Public Sector Work 05:51 Evaluating Career Options and Transition to Public Policy 12:38 Working in the Obama Administration 13:33 Millennium Challenge Corporation: Mission and Impact 19:40 Transition to a Startup in Nairobi, Kenya 24:04 Joining M-Changa and the FinTech Journey 29:24 Reflections on Grad School and Career Clarity 33:14 Unique Path to Product Management 33:52 Grad School Experience and Thesis 36:11 Breaking into Product Management 38:07 Journey at Prudential 49:01 Transition to HomeLight 53:45 Joining Chegg and Career Growth 59:39 Reflections on Risk and Career Transitions 01:04:33 Current Endeavors and Final Thoughts
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Episode 2: Theresa Freet
19 Mar 2025
01:16:53
In this episode, I interview Theresa Freet, a Strategy & Operations leader with over 12 years of experience in the ed-tech field. Before her rise as an operator, she traveled internationally and immersed herself in the food industry, exploring the world and ruling out alternative career paths. Theresa emphasizes the importance of finding the right overlap between personal fulfillment and career growth, being comfortable with uncertainty, and effective delegation in management. Her experiences highlight the importance of recognizing what truly 'lights you up' and trusting the journey, even through transitions and unexpected shifts.
00:00 Introduction to the Push Pull Podcast 00:20 Meet Theresa Free: A Journey in Ed Tech 00:50 Early Career: Embracing Travel and Passion 03:29 The Madrid Experience: Unlocking Fearlessness 05:42 Teaching in Bogota: A Year in Colombia 06:52 AmeriCorps and the Path to Japan 09:25 JET Program: Life in Rural Japan 14:58 Discovering a Love for Cooking in Ireland 17:36 Exploring the Food Industry in New York and California 28:58 Transitioning to Tech and Volunteer Work 32:22 Joining IIN: A Return to Education 36:11 Incredible Team and Unmatched Benefits 37:06 Optimizing Systems and Project Management 38:04 Frustrations with Leadership 40:56 Transition to Thinkful 43:22 Growth and Challenges at Thinkful 46:45 Managing Remote Teams 58:07 Joining Polygence 01:04:55 Navigating Cultural Shifts 01:08:24 Exploring New Opportunities 01:13:50 Final Thoughts and Reflections
Episode 1: Samir Jain
12 Mar 2025
00:59:58
In this episode, I interview Samir Jain, Sr. Director of Product at Medidata Solutions, discussing his career journey and key transitions. We discuss how relationships, sales skills, and increasing levels of responsibility factor into career growth. We also explore what informed Samir's transitions: emphasizing the importance of mission alignment and finding the right kind of ownership (i.e. executing on the solution vs. defining the problem) in each Product leadership opportunity.
Episode 0: Push Pull Intro
06 Mar 2025
00:02:11
Introducing the Push-Pull Podcast!
I'm Varun Rajan, a Product Manager and Career Coach. I'll be interviewing mid- to senior-level professionals about their careers to share their stories.
If you’re looking to make a meaningful change in your professional life — contemplating a switch in your role, company, or industry — or if you’re just curious about how others chose their paths…
I hope you pick up something useful or inspiring from my guests and their hard-earned wisdom.
Episode 11: The Great Detachment
21 May 2025
00:12:13
In this episode, I delve into the emerging concept of the “Great Detachment.” We discuss the impact of team dynamics, job longevity, and fulfillment on employee engagement and performance. Referencing recent Gallup surveys, I highlight issues like disruptive changes in organizations, hybrid and remote work challenges, and declining employee engagement. I ponder how I may shift the podcast's focus towards research on organizational changes, team morale, and building trust within companies to foster long-term employee commitment and growth.
00:00 Introduction 00:56 Shifting Focus: Job Longevity and Fulfillment 01:56 The Great Detachment: Employee Disengagement 02:45 Impact of Disruptive Changes 03:44 Challenges of Hybrid and Remote Work 04:54 Performance Management Issues 06:24 Decline in Employee Engagement 09:08 Addressing Employee Fulfillment and Growth 11:00 Future Directions for the Podcast
In this episode of the Push Pull podcast, we continue our conversation with Omar Dinar, diving deeper into his career journey. Omar shares his experiences transitioning from aerospace engineering to finance, joining Lehman Brothers during the financial crisis, and later getting integrated into Barclays post-acquisition. He details his ascent into a management role, his pivot back to an individual contributor role to stay connected with markets, and his eventual leap into wealth management. Omar reflects on the importance of aligning work with personal values, the complexities of managerial roles, and the impact of setbacks like being passed over for a promotion. He also discusses the challenges and rewards of building a client base in wealth management and emphasizes the significance of long-term planning, taking well-calibrated risks, and finding work-life balance.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:22 Omar Dinar's Transition to Barclays 01:58 Challenges and Growth at Barclays 03:45 Management Insights and Hiring Philosophy 14:45 Transition to MUFG 20:56 Setbacks and New Beginnings 26:44 Pivot to Wealth Management 36:01 Reflections and Advice 39:37 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Episode 9: Annalyn Cruz
07 May 2025
01:16:25
Today I interview Annalyn Cruz, a dream life and embodiment coach and the CEO of Grounded in Wisdom, LLC.
We discuss Annalyn’s career journey from higher education in student affairs to learning and development in the corporate world, and back to higher education. With each transition, we revisit her commitment to empowering others, and the role of strong personal relationships in building trust and self-confidence.
00:00 Introduction 03:09 Interview Begins 05:05 Early Career and College Experience 08:17 Discovering a Career in Higher Education 18:17 Graduate School Experience 20:26 First Job in Higher Education 22:46 Challenges and Growth at San Jose State 26:55 Exploring New Paths: Recruiting, Bartending, and Makeup Artistry 33:25 Returning to Higher Education at UC Berkeley 38:46 Career Progression and New Challenges 39:14 Inherited Team Dynamics and Struggles 41:20 Emotional Vulnerability and Team Shift 47:10 Transition to Semester at Sea 48:28 Pivot to Learning and Development 50:32 Taking a Step Back for Future Growth 58:59 Corporate Experience at EA 01:03:22 Starting a Business and Balancing Roles 01:10:59 Coaching Focus and Final Advice
Episode 8: Omar Dinar (pt. 1)
30 Apr 2025
00:46:37
In this episode of the Push Pull podcast, we explore the fascinating career journey of Omar Dinar, currently a financial advisor at Merrill Lynch. Omar transitioned from an engineer working on military helicopters to working in financial services, starting his finance career in the aftermath of the subprime mortgage crisis at Lehman Brothers. Omar shares insights into the challenges he faced, the impact of the macroeconomic environment on his career path, and how he leveraged his education and networking opportunities to pivot successfully. Omar's story of resilience, adaptability, and relationship-building offers valuable takeaways for anyone navigating career transitions.
00:00 Introduction to the Push Pull Podcast 00:38 Meet Omar Dinar: From Engineering to Finance 01:55 Navigating the Financial Crisis 04:47 Early Career and Mentorship 09:49 Transitioning to Finance 19:52 Pursuing an MBA for Career Growth 24:51 Navigating Multiple Internships 25:41 Philosophy Behind the MBA Program 28:27 Choosing the Right MBA Program 30:19 Final Internship Experience 30:36 Joining Lehman Brothers 32:15 The 2008 Financial Crisis Unfolds 38:50 Life After Lehman: Transition to Barclays 41:05 Understanding Risk Management 44:09 Settling into Barclays 45:02 Conclusion and Future Insights
Episode 7: Varun starts reading Job Moves
23 Apr 2025
00:10:45
I just picked up the book 'Job Moves' by Ethan Bernstein, Michael B. Horn, and Bob Moesta! I haven’t gotten far into it yet but my bells are already ringing. Listen to me appreciate how much I already love the message. Also hear me betray my mixed feelings about how people smarter and more famous than me have concurrently came to the same conclusions I have.
00:00 Introduction to the Push Pull Podcast 00:49 Exploring the Book 'Job Moves' 02:17 Defining Pushes and Pulls 05:11 The Four Categories of Job Changers 06:27 Progress Over Perfection 07:34 Understanding Past Motivations 09:22 Wrapping up
Episode 6: Varun talks about why Push Factors matter
16 Apr 2025
00:11:07
Today I reflect on some key lessons learned from my initial work on this podcast. In particular, I’ve received feedback about how challenging it is to detail push factors for three reasons:
They’re often emotional before we place logic to them
They may not be flattering to share publicly, and
Reframing them diplomatically feels disingenuous
I give you my take on why the process of fleshing out your push factors help you better understand yourself and make empowered career decisions.
00:00 Introduction to the Push Pull Podcast 00:18 Reflecting on the Podcast's Thesis 01:01 Emotional vs. Logical Push Factors 02:23 Hesitation in Discussing Push Factors 03:17 Reframing Push Factors Positively 05:35 The Importance of Self-Empowerment 08:12 Conclusion
Episode 5: Marshall Robins
09 Apr 2025
01:03:12
Such a pleasure to reconnect with Marshall Robins after several years. Starting off in construction, pivoting to finance and then tech sales, to come all the way back around to financing construction projects — Marshall’s story is a master class in taking chances on something new and committing fully to seeing it through.
We had an honest discussion about burnout, recovery, and how the balance between social pressures and his internal compass helped him navigate a healthy dynamic with his work life.
00:00 Introduction to the Push Pull Podcast 00:15 Meet Marshall Robbins: A Journey from Construction to Finance 00:40 The Power of Mentorship and Networking 01:07 Understanding Sales Roles and Industry Jargon 01:56 Marshall's Early Career Struggles and Realizations 05:04 Transitioning from Construction to Community College 05:56 The Decision to Pursue Higher Education 13:12 Finding Direction and Mentorship in College 19:33 Internship Experience in Private Equity 21:49 Challenges in the Job Market Post-Graduation 24:16 Pivoting to a Business Development Role 27:53 Joining Looker: A New Opportunity 30:42 Transitioning to Inbound Sales Development 31:28 Progression to Account Executive 31:47 Reporting Structure in SDR Roles 32:21 Mentorship and Career Decisions 34:09 Challenges and Opportunities in Account Executive Role 36:09 Impact of Google Acquisition 42:31 New Beginnings at Mixpanel 43:35 Burnout and Career Reflection 43:57 Taking Time Off and Finding Balance 51:46 Joining Herzer Financial 54:11 Current Role and Future Aspirations 58:20 Final Thoughts and Reflections
Episode 4: Shalini Chander
03 Apr 2025
01:08:36
Today I interview my cousin Shalini Chander, Director of Product at Align Technologies. Shalini shares her journey from consulting in pharmaceutical manufacturing to becoming a software product leader. We track her career progress through process, storytelling, relationship-building, and advocacy. Shalini also emphasizes the importance of building visibility and sharing learnings within a company for advancement.
00:00 Introduction to the Push Pull Podcast 03:05 Meet Shalini Chander: Career Overview 04:03 Early Career in Pharmaceutical Consulting 12:01 Transition to In-House Roles and Grad School 16:43 Business School Experience and Lessons 19:50 Post-Business School: Consulting and Startups 22:41 Challenges in Startups and Learning Experiences 30:56 Joining Abbott: Product Management Journey 35:21 Navigating Career Changes at Abbott 38:15 Balancing Career and Motherhood 40:30 Transitioning to Genetics and Startups 45:29 Challenges and Successes in Product Management 55:00 Advancing in Product Management at Align 01:04:44 The Importance of Storytelling in Career Growth 01:07:15 Final Thoughts and Career Advice