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Estimating vs. Quantity Surveying – Can We All Just Get Along? (EP 242)03 Nov 202501:05:31

In this episode of Own the Build, Paul is joined by Mike Ashcroft (Co-Founder of EstimateOne) and Paddy Westbury (Estimating Director at Structure Tone) to explore the often misunderstood world of estimating – and its love/hate relationship with quantity surveying.

They dive into Paddy’s 40-year journey from sleepy PQS firms to the intensity of fast-track fit out, his reflections on Structure Tone’s explosive growth, and how modern estimators are evolving from number-pushers to project strategists. The trio unpack the cultural shift in tendering, what great QS–Estimator relationships look like, and why curiosity (plus owning your mistakes) might just be the best traits for the next generation of professionals.

If you’ve ever argued over a bill, blamed an estimator for a budget, or wondered who really owns procurement – this one’s for you.

🔗 Check the link below to download Paul’s free ebook:

Mastering Construction Procurement Strategies for Supply Chain Integration, Tendering, and Commercial Success

For our list of other eBooks on building your QS Career and AI, click here - Free eBook Downloads.

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Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Curiosity, Communication, and Coaching: How to Build Better QSs (EP 241)27 Oct 202500:34:26

In this episode of Own the Build, Paul is joined by Katie Taylor, Managing Quantity Surveyor, to explore what it really takes to raise the bar for commercial professionals in construction.

Katie shares how she entered the industry by chance as a receptionist, studied part-time to become a QS, and developed a deep passion for coaching and communication. Together, Paul and Katie discuss:

  • Why coaching is critical for QSs and subcontractors alike
  • The underestimated importance of soft skills and psychological safety
  • How to handle difficult conversations with confidence
  • What truly makes a “great” QS in today’s market
  • The real impact of curiosity, communication, and mindset

If you’re managing or mentoring QSs — or are one yourself — this episode offers practical insights into how to grow a strong, competent commercial team.

🔗 Check the link below to download Paul’s free ebook:

Mastering Construction Procurement Strategies for Supply Chain Integration, Tendering, and Commercial Success

For our list of other eBooks on building your QS Career and AI, click here - Free eBook Downloads.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Question Time Returns: The QS Career Clinic – From Roy Keane to Red Flags in Procurement (EP 232)25 Aug 202500:33:20

Question Time is back — and it’s better than ever. After a brief baby-related break (sorry about skipping 224.1 and 228.1), Paul and Chris are back to answer your burning questions about quantity surveying, procurement, contracts, and even… sport.

In this episode, we cover:

  • 🧠 How to build a standout QS career — including which contract type to master and why
  • 🤖 What skills QSs need in an AI-driven world (spoiler: it’s not just tech knowledge)
  • 💸 Whether main contractors can mandate portals like PayApps — and if freezing access is legal or just cheeky
  • 🏉 What sport best represents the QS profession (Test cricket? Heptathlon? Rugby?)
  • 🏆 Which sports personality would make the best QS (yes, Roy Keane gets a shout)

Plus, advice for QSs returning to the UK job market and how to unlock freelance roles with developers, SMEs, and beyond.

This is QS advice from the trenches — funny, honest, and straight-talking. Question Time is officially back, every 4 episodes.

📩 If you'd like to read the two Own the Build eBooks based on 200+ episodes — Mastering Your Career in Quantity Surveying and The AI Revolution in Quantity Surveying — head to the show notes to download your free copy.

Download them here - Free eBook Downloads.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

From 120-Day Payment Periods to Fair Payment: Rudi Klein's Vision (EP 149)08 Jan 202400:45:32

This week, Paul is joined by Rudi Klein, the Director at Klein Legal and former chief executive at the Specialist Engineering Contractors (SEC) Group. Rudi was involved in piloting the ‘Construction Act’ through the UK Parliament and originated Section 112 of the Act dealing with the right to suspend construction contracts for non-payment.

Today’s show discusses payment abuse being the industry’s dominant business model and what we can all do to change this. We discuss 120-day payment cycles, the demise of Carillion and other large Main Contractors in the recent past, and we turn to Project Bank Accounts and Retentions to change the status quo.

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Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Managing Risks in Tendering: What's a World-Class process when receiving a Tender? (EP 148)18 Dec 202300:46:40

This week, Paul is joined by Mike Wharton, Chief Executive Officer at Complete Roofing Systems, Allied Roofing and Roof Analytics. Mike is passionate about quality and standards in the delivery of construction and has had an exciting journey from Equity Analyst and Fund Manager to CEO at a roofing subcontractor.

Today’s show discusses the current economic climate and how it impacts construction’s Supply Chain. 

As a Subcontractor, what is your process when a tender lands? Do you say, “Wahey, we have a job to price! Let’s get on and do it?” Or do you hesitate and think, “This is a potential new client, which is great, but it’s a tier one; why are they suddenly coming to us out of the blue?”

Mike shares his advice on operating in today’s market as a subcontractor, considering all the risks.

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Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Strategies for Improving Procurement: A Focus on the Relationship between Procurement and Commercial Departments. (EP 147)11 Dec 202300:47:34

This week, Paul is joined by Jon Watts, the Procurement and Supply Chain Director at Hayfield Homes.

In today’s conversation, Paul and Jon discuss the relationship between the Procurement and Commercial Departments, and Jon explains how he manages collaboration between the two at Hayfield Homes.

Across the episode, we discuss Jon’s unique approach to Supply Chain relationships, how his experience in the RAF shapes his approach to work and most importantly, the best tactics to maximise procurement returns in construction.

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Your free OTB downloads

I’ve shared a link to the eBook here:

Beyond margin – how QS KPIs can transform your construction business.

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Today’s Sponsor

Today’s Sponsor is Sablono. Track Free is a real-time tracker that’s connected directly to your construction site and it’s completely free!

To try it for free, Click Here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Future of Contracting Series: Why QS’s shouldn’t only have margin as their KPI. (EP 146)04 Dec 202300:34:05

This week, Paul is joined by his close friend and QS, Chris Barber. Chris is a Chief Visionary Officer (CVO) at C-Link and Prosper and a passionate advocate for subcontractors on his YouTube channel, School of Sub

In today’s conversation, Paul hosts the second episode of a new 4-weekly series titled The Future of Contracting. In today’s episode, we explore the topic of measuring QS performance and Chris shares why companies have to move away from only measuring QSs’ on financial performance.

This show will resonate if you are a QS or manage Quantity Surveyors. Paul and Chris reflect on their shared experience and quickly realise that the way QS have been measured for so long is fundamentally flawed if you want to discover how and what can be done about it, check the show out.

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Your free OTB downloads

I’ve shared a link to the eBook here: QS KPIs eBook.

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Building Profits: Mastering Sub-contractor Payments, Applications, and Cashflow! (EP 145)27 Nov 202300:36:07

This week, Paul is joined by Gary Davies from SubPort, an Award-winning Quantity Surveying Consultancy supporting Sub-Contractors to increase profits, improve cash and eliminate risk.

In today’s show, Paul and Gary discuss the art of the Application for Payment process, how to ensure you are always getting paid the right amount and on time and what to do if you are not.

In today’s economic environment, never has there been a better time to focus on cash flow, and this episode gives you the grounding.

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Your free OTB download

Looking for a Final Account Statement template to work with on your construction project? We have created a template document for you:

Final Account Statement Template

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.


Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

BIM: Bridging the Gap Between Policy and Project Success. (EP 144)20 Nov 202300:38:54

This week, Paul is joined by Michelle du Plessis, Managing Director and Co-founder at Shft, a leading one-stop BIM agency working with SMEs across the country to take the opportunities of BIM and digital technology.

In today’s show, Paul and Michelle talk about BIM. Michelle is a genuine expert in the space, and we discuss where we are up to with BIM, how things are changing and how Michelle and her team at Shft help contractors, especially SMEs, start to impact their bottom line with BIM.

A must-listen!

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Your free OTB download

Looking for a Final Account Statement template to work with on your construction project? We have created a template document for you:

Final Account Statement Template

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

How to get paid (everything your mate down the pub doesn’t know). (EP 143)13 Nov 202300:47:38

This week, Paul is joined by an experienced Construction Solicitor, Samuel Bawden, Partner and Head of Dispute Resolution at Holmes & Hills. Samuel is also the Chair at Constructing Excellence Essex, and like the rest of us, he is highly passionate about construction.

In today’s show, Paul and Samuel discuss the options contractors have at their disposal when they are not being paid. If you’re not being paid and want to know what can/can’t be done, what processes are available to you and which one is best, tune in.

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Your free OTB download

Are you looking for a Final Account Statement template to work with on your construction project? We have created a template document for you:


Final Account Statement Template


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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.


Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Future of Contracting Series: The end of the ‘subcontractor’ and the start of something new. (EP 142)06 Nov 202300:36:58

This week, Paul is joined by his close friend and QS, Chris Barber. Chris is a Chief Visionary Officer (CVO) at C-Link and Prosper, and also a passionate advocate for subcontractors on his YouTube channel, School of Sub.

In today’s conversation, Paul introduces the first episode of a new 4-weekly series titled The Future of Contracting. In today’s episode, we explore an eBook that Paul recently wrote titled Why Main Contractors seriously need a Tender Strategy. In the eBook and the show, we explore:

  • 🔮 Why Main Contractors must embrace long-term thinking. 
  • 💰 The profound impact of dwindling subcontractor numbers on Main Contractor profits.
  • 📊 Unveiling the blueprint for Main Contractors to master their supply chain through an ingenious tender strategy.

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Your free OTB downloads

I’ve shared a link to the eBook here: Why Main Contractors seriously need a Tender Strategy.

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Understanding the Difference: Liquidated Damages vs. Consequential Damages Explained. (EP 141)30 Oct 202300:39:09

This week, Paul is joined by Cian Brennan, Managing Director at Quantum Contract Solutions, a company giving “contractual superpowers to construction companies”. Cian helps contractors navigate the choppy waters of construction projects and contracts and provides expert advice.

In this contractually focused conversation, we discuss the difference between Liquidated Damages and Consequential Damages and how you must negotiate both at the tender stage and throughout the contract's lifecycle. As always with Cian, real-life examples are brought to the table, and we share best practices if you get into similar positions.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to the download below: 

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Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link.

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Making Health and Safety a Profit Centre, not a Compliance Department. (EP 140)23 Oct 202300:41:06

In the studio today, I am joined by Gavin Coyle, CEO of Coyle Group, a Group of Companies serving the safety sector in the construction industry. Gavin is a thought leader, speaker, and safety mentor and holds a level 9 MBS in workplace Safety from DCU, a Diploma in Safety, a Certificate in Law, and a Diploma in Corporate Governance.

In today’s conversation, Gavin talks about his experience in the Construction Industry, the regular pushback from Commercial and Procurement teams regarding Health and Safety and how he believes you can make Health and Safety a Profit Centre, not a cost. 

Gavin is uber passionate about this topic and is a keynote speaker at many high-profile events. His views on Health and Safety will absolutely change your perspective.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to the download below: 

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

QS to Software Founder: Why Construction Needs to Work Smarter, Not Harder (EP 231)18 Aug 202500:50:23

In this special episode of Own the Build, Paul is a guest on Ross Griffin's Inventing Construction podcast.

The conversation dives deep into Paul’s journey from subcontractor QS to co-founder of C-Link, a software platform built to overhaul procurement and supply chain management in construction. Paul shares raw and honest reflections on why QSs are drowning in admin, how traditional tender processes fail everyone, and what needs to change to give commercial teams the tools and time to lead projects more effectively.

Topics include:

  • The inefficiencies baked into modern QS workflows
  • The real problem with Excel and “invisible” audit trails
  • How SMEs and subcontractors can lead the digital charge
  • Why BOQs should make a comeback – and who should own them
  • Advice for young QSs entering a fast-evolving profession

This is a practical, no-fluff episode for any QS frustrated by inefficiencies and curious about how tech can actually make life easier.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Emotional Intelligence in Construction: How to Build a team and Project. (EP 139)16 Oct 202300:50:35

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Dan Macpherson, Executive Director at Henry Riley, who is industry-leading in Construction Consultancy, cost management, health and safety and project management services.

In today’s conversation, Dan talks about Emotional Intelligence in team management, project management and commercial management and how he applies his own Emotional Intelligence to successfully execute projects.

Dan sees Emotional Intelligence as not just a way to improve profit margins but also to secure the long-term success of your business and team as well.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to a free download below: 

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Wrongful Termination in Construction and how to spot a Termination at Will Clause. (EP 138)09 Oct 202300:41:19

In the studio today, I am joined by Abbie Chisnall, a construction solicitor at Holmes & Hills Solicitors. Abbie is a Construction Lawyer who helps construction companies to avoid costly disputes and keep the money flowing within the industry.

In today’s conversation, Abbie shares how more and more she sees wrongful termination impact Construction Contracts. Most construction contracts contain termination clauses that give parties the right to terminate in certain circumstances. However, Abbie is more on cases where the correct procedure has not been followed.

Abbie shares stories of her experience and explains how to avoid making mistakes in termination and how to react if you have been wrongfully terminated.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to a free download below:
 

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The new way to tender and manage your supply chain: a Main Contractor’s story. (EP 137)02 Oct 202300:45:07

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Peter Jackson, the Managing Director of Seddon Housing Partnerships, a family-owned Main Contractor, now in its 125th year, operating across the Northwest.

Peter is a keen listener of the show and got in touch to talk about the supply chain, how main contractors should manage them and changes he’s made to how Seddon works off the back of listening to some of the shows.

In today’s conversation, Peter shares how he has recently pivoted the way he manages his subcontract supply chain, talks through a recent supply chain ‘conference’ he held inviting his subcontract partners in for a meeting and why he feels the need to update his approach to supply chain management.

If you are a Main Contractor, this show is a must-listen.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to a free download below: 

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Navigating Collateral Warranties: A lawyer’s insight into what they are and when you need them. (EP 136)25 Sep 202300:38:29

In the studio today, I am joined by Connor Mennell. Connor is a Construction solicitor specialising in transactional and contentious dispute work at Gordons LLP.

Connor has negotiated and advised on the terms of building contracts and knows the JCT and NEC standard forms. Connor also has experience resolving disputes through litigation, adjudication and mediation and providing commercial advice during ongoing projects to avoid formal disputes.

In today’s conversation, Connor talks about Collateral Warranties, what they are, why the industry has them and how to get them right. I was on an incredibly high-profile project once, where the client was a huge bank, and they asked for a Collateral Warranty, but they did so post-contract, and it was a drawn-out and expensive affair which Connor says is not unusual.

In this episode, we discuss how to avoid these pitfalls. You must listen to this episode if you’re a QS or a Main Contractor.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to a free download below: 

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Future of Quantity Surveying: The Project Brain. (EP 135)18 Sep 202300:49:30

This week, Paul is joined by Martin Paver, CEO and Founder of Projecting Success, a passionate team of visionaries, project managers and data scientists on a mission to change how we deliver projects. 

Invited back onto the show a year after his first visit on Episode 88, Martin talks about how AI and Machine Learning are impacting the construction industry today and how they will change the future role of the Quantity Surveyor. Across this fascinating conversation, you get a real insight into the future, and Martin shares his ambitions for creating a “Project Brain” to power all projects.

If you want a sneak peek into the future of construction, you will love the show, and if you’re interested in the apprenticeship, you can find that here.


Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to the EOT Template below: 

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.


Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

From Estimator to QS: How do you handover from pre-construction to construction? (EP 134)11 Sep 202300:37:57

This week, Paul is joined by Carlene Goodearl, the Lead Commercial Manager at Anchor, a provider of specialist housing and a Board Member at Women in Social Housing.

Carlene is a construction manager turned commercial manager. In today’s show, we discuss her journey in construction and focus heavily on her role as a client-side QS, discussing how to manage her Main Contract Supply Chain and the pre-construction phase, including the handover from Estimator to QS.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to the EOT Template below: 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Project Delays: How do you recover the cost of delay in three simple steps? (EP 133)04 Sep 202300:42:28

This week, Paul is joined by Peter Searle, Founder of Searle Management Consulting, a consultancy focused on making Contracting businesses more and more profitable.

In today’s show, Paul and Peter discuss project delays - the Delay and Disruption Protocol drafted by the Society of Construction Law, As-Planned vs. As-Built and how to submit a successful extension of time claim.

If you are on a project with delays (basically everyone!), wrap your ears around this episode to improve your chance of a profitable outcome.

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86% of workers believe they need to up-skill to cope with the changes that AI will bring. How does the RICS recommend Quantity Surveyors do this? (EP 132)28 Aug 202300:42:32

This week, Paul is joined by Andrew Knight, Global Data & Tech Lead at the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors (RICS), who I think everyone will have heard of. Andrew is a highly experienced technology specialist and is currently leading the program to develop, enhance and gain adoption of RICS’ Data Standards.

In today’s show, Paul and Andrew discuss how a Quantity Surveyor’s skillset is already changing regarding cost estimation, take-offs and more while focusing on Chat GPT and a recent report on AI by Boston Consulting Group.

86% of workers need to be up-skilled to cope with the changes that AI will bring; this episode is your first step.

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Last week, Paul mentioned the Contract Audit document that perfectly summarises a construction contract in just 3 pages. If you’d like access to that, drop Paul a line below, and he will share it.

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Construction Contracts: Common misunderstandings, misconceptions and how to avoid mistakes that have massive consequences. (EP 131)21 Aug 202300:44:57

This week, Paul is joined by an experienced Construction Solicitor, Samuel Bawden, Partner and Head of Dispute Resolution at Holmes & Hills. Samuel is also the Chair at Constructing Excellence Essex, and like the rest of us, he is highly passionate about construction.

In today’s show, Paul and Samuel discuss common legal and commercial issues in construction contracts and the mistakes contractors often make.

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Have you ever wished you could summarise a contract in a couple of pages for yourself or your project team?

Paul mentioned the Contract Audit document that perfectly summarises a construction contract in just 3 pages. If you’d like access to that, drop Paul a line below, and he will share it.

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Working with the RICS on the Conflict Avoidance Pledge. (EP 130)14 Aug 202300:37:33

This week, Paul is joined by Len Bunton, the Founder of Bunton Consulting, Vice Chairman of Scottish Mediation, and Chairman of their Excellence in Mediation Committee. Len is also currently the Chairman of the Construction Industry Collective Voice, Commercial and Procurement Group.

In today’s show, Len talks passionately about the Conflict Avoidance Pledge, a pledge championed by the RICS and signed by many industry leaders to recognise the importance of conflict avoidance on projects. Len talks about his experiences of Adjudications and Mediations and shines a light on how this pledge can improve the industry.

You can SIGN THE PETITION FOR PROJECT BANK ACCOUNTS HERE.

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Can AI Empower the Subcontractor? (EP 230)11 Aug 202500:33:25

In the final part of the Contract Clarity Series, Paul is joined once again by the brilliantly practical contract expert Sarah Fox to explore the future of contracting in construction.

They dive into the rise of AI, what it means for lawyers and quantity surveyors, and how contracting must evolve in a digitised world. From empowering junior QSs to building smarter scopes of work, the discussion unpacks the risk and opportunity of emerging legal tech — and why simplification, not just automation, is the path forward.

You’ll also hear:

  • Why contract scopes are the secret weapon for managing liability
  • How Gen AI tools can help (and hinder) contract review
  • Whether clients and funders might embrace simpler, fairer contracts
  • Why Sarah believes better contracting starts with the outer edges of the supply chain

This is an optimistic and eye-opening wrap-up to the series — packed with practical advice, lightbulb moments, and a vision for more balanced, efficient contracting in the years ahead.

📩 If you'd like to read the two Own the Build eBooks based on 200+ episodes — Mastering Your Career in Quantity Surveying and The AI Revolution in Quantity Surveying — head to the show notes to download your free copy.

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Contract Management in Construction: Tips to Avoid Pitfalls with Variations, Payments, and Nominated Subcontractors. (EP 129)07 Aug 202300:50:05

This week, Paul is joined by Cian Brennan, Managing Director at Quantum Contract Solutions, a company giving “contractual superpowers to construction companies”. Cian helps contractors navigate the choppy waters of construction projects and contracts and provides expert advice.

In this contractually focused conversation, we discuss two real-life examples of contractors getting into a pickle. One is where they were told by the client to wrap multiple variations into a single agreement, and then it all came unstuck, and the other is when they were required to procure a nominated subcontractor.

Cian shares the stories and best practices if you get into similar positions.

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The Future of Construction Technology and the Role of Contractors and Quantity Surveyors. (EP 128)31 Jul 202300:36:49

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Owen Drury, a QS and now the Co-Founder of Bilt Renovation, a contractor bringing Residential Home Construction into The 21st Century.

In today’s conversation, Owen and I discuss the future of construction. Owen hosts the Bricks & Bytes Podcast interviewing construction technology founders and understands what it takes for technology to break through and what is coming.

We talk about how main contractors, subcontractors and construction professionals can prepare for the future and get ahead of the competition by adapting and taking on board new tech.

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Expert Insights for Quantity Surveyors on Resolving Claims in Construction. (EP 127)24 Jul 202300:46:17

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Sean Bradley, Contract & Commercial Management Consultant at SB Consultancy. Sean is a Chartered Quantity Surveyor, a Fellow of the RICS and has over 30 years of project & commercial management experience on major Civils & Building projects.

In today’s conversation, Sean and I discuss claim strategy. What do I mean by this? We have talked about records in recent weeks, and this fits into a more comprehensive process of how you can prepare your business to avoid claims but be best prepared for dispute resolution if it comes to it.

Sean’s experience as a Commercial Director for a large contractor and now a Party Representative leaves him very placed to share his thoughts in a fascinating conversation.

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Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Redefining the Hard Hat: Stories from 16 Years as a Woman Working on Site (EP 126)17 Jul 202300:38:56

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Michelle Hands, a Construction Engineer👷‍♀️Public speaker 📣 Filmmaker & Content Creator and the Director of She who dares, WINS. 

Michelle has spent the last 16 years as a Construction Engineer/land Surveyor and, in addition to that, is now dedicating her time to help empower and inspire women who work in traditionally male-dominated fields with her She who dares WINS platform and YouTube channel.

In today’s honest conversation, Michelle shares some stories from her 16 years on-site as a woman, how things were, how things have changed and how the industry can be a more welcoming place for women.

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  1. Implications and Opportunities of a Design & Build Contract

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Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Why subcontractors should never walk off site when they are not getting paid. (EP 125)10 Jul 202300:41:34

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Guy Jackson, who is the Founding Partner at Overford, a chartered quantity surveying practice that specialises in problem-solving complex construction and engineering matters.

Guy is a Fellow of the RICS and the CIArb and holds a BSc in Construction Commercial Management, an MSc in Construction Law and Dispute Resolution, and a Graduate Diploma in Law.

In today’s conversation, Guy and I debate the best strategies for both Main and Subcontractors when the subcontractor threatens to walk off-site due to payment. We discuss why subcontractors should never walk off-site and, instead, what they should do while at the same time looking at things from a main contractor’s perspective too.

This happened to me a lot, so it was a great debate, and I think you will enjoy it too.

Your free OTB downloads

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  1. Implications and Opportunities of a Design & Build Contract

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Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

How much should Quantity Surveyors be paid? A Recruiter's view... (EP 124)03 Jul 202300:38:37

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Chirag Shah for something different a bit different. Chirag is a recruitment expert, founder, and principal consultant at PACE Global, a Project Controls Recruitment Expert (View the Community Website Here).

Chirag is a construction recruiter with almost 20 years of experience in Project Control and Commercial roles. Chirag’s mission is to deliver clients the best quality Project Controls personnel and help graduate to director-level employees progress in their careers.

In today’s conversation, Chirag explains the state of play in the employment market for both employees and employers, shares some tales of woe about recruiting Quantity Surveyors and Project Controls professionals in the past and provides for both employees and employers on how best to navigate today’s marketplace.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to the Design & Build download below: 

  1. Implications and Opportunities of a Design & Build Contract

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

An Open Letter to the Construction Minister - why we need Project Bank Accounts. (EP 123)26 Jun 202300:37:28

This week, Paul is joined by his close friend and QS, Chris Barber. Chris is a Co-Founder at Prosper, a platform helping subcontractors to scale their business and also a passionate advocate for subcontractors on his YouTube channel, School of Sub.

In today’s conversation, Chris talks about his recent Open Letter to the Construction Minister backing Project Bank Accounts to protect against the growing crisis of construction insolvencies for SMEs. We debate what a Project Bank Account is, whether it would bring the desired benefits and where people can sign the petition.

You can SIGN THE PETITION HERE.

Your free OTB downloads

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  1. Implications and Opportunities of a Design & Build Contract

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Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Letters of Intent: A How To Guide. (EP 122)19 Jun 202300:40:10

In this episode, Paul is joined by Sarah Fox, a construction contract expert and Director at 500 Words, who deliver simple digital trust-enhancing contracts to put construction companies in control.

In today’s conversation, we talk about Letters of Intent. Have you ever written a letter of intent in a hurry on a Friday afternoon because works HAVE to start on a Monday

If you have, you need to listen to the show. We discuss what Letters of Intent are, what common errors contractors make with them and what the typical pitfalls of issuing them are.

To learn more, you can buy Sarah’s book here.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

  1. A Bill of Quantities Template
  2. A Vesting Certificate Template

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Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Making Construction a great place to work: can flexible working help - a view after one year of research. (EP 121)12 Jun 202300:42:52

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Emma Stewart, MBE, Co-Founder at TimeWise. Emma is a social entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience working with people, policymakers and businesses to tackle inequalities, improve the world of work and deliver tangible social impact.

Emma is passionate about inspiring social change and contributes to numerous government task forces, reports and initiatives, and is a regular media commentator on how to shape better, fairer labour markets and raise family living standards.

The episode was designed as a follow-on to episodes 104 and 111, which focused on whether a 4-day working week was possible in construction and how to get a better work-life balance.

In today’s conversation, Emma explains how TimeWise is changing the world of work through flexible working. We discuss the recent report “Making Construction a Great Place to Work” and the follow-on report “One Year On” and discuss how flexible working can improve the sector and all our lives.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

  1. A Bill of Quantities Template
  2. A Vesting Certificate Template

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Want to connect with Paul?

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Smash and grab adjudications: what are they and how can you protect your project? (EP 120)05 Jun 202300:38:28

In the studio today, I am joined by Connor Mennell. Connor is a Construction solicitor specialising in transactional and contentious dispute work at Gordons LLP.

Connor has negotiated and advised on the terms of building contracts and knows the JCT and NEC standard forms. Connor also has experience resolving disputes through litigation, adjudication and mediation and providing commercial advice during ongoing projects to avoid formal disputes.

In today’s conversation, Connor talks of his experience resolving smash-and-grab adjudications for his clients. Smash and grab adjudications are on the rise and can be costly, so it is critical to understand them, protect your project against them and be able to defend yourself if they happen.

You must listen to this episode if you’re a QS or a Main Contractor.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

  1. A Bill of Quantities Template
  2. A Vesting Certificate Template

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Clause-Dumping and Risk Wars: Why Subbies Deserve Better (EP 229)04 Aug 202500:32:12

In this episode, titled Subcontracting Simplified, Paul and Sarah Fox go deep into what’s really broken in subcontracting — and what can be done to fix it. From clause-dumping and risk overload to overlooked meeting minutes and unreadable contracts, this is a frank conversation about the challenges subcontractors face and the behaviours that hold the industry back.

We discuss:

  • ❌ Why many subcontractors are set up to fail before they’re even on site
  • 🧾 The madness of passing down entire main contracts (and what should actually flow)
  • 🤝 The power of better communication and properly structured pre-let minutes
  • 💡 Sarah’s three-part strategy to improve subcontracting: Simplify, Optimise, Digitise
  • 🧠 How smarter procurement leads to stronger relationships, better pricing, and successful delivery

🔗 Sarah also shares real-world stories and offers tangible advice for both main contractors and subcontractors who want to build better, fairer, and more effective projects.

📩 If you'd like to read the two Own the Build eBooks based on 200+ episodes — Mastering Your Career in Quantity Surveying and The AI Revolution in Quantity Surveying — head to the show notes to download your free copy.

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Power of Record-Keeping: Why Records are Critical for Project Success. (EP 119)29 May 202300:42:17

In the studio today, Paul is joined by Yosof Ewing. Yosof is Head Coach at The Contract Coach, who advises construction businesses that wish to work differently and avoid disputes before they happen.

Yosof has a wealth of experience as an Expert Witness, Mediator, and Adjudication Party Representative and is a Fellow of the Institute of Construction Claims Practitioners. In today’s conversation, we focus on how to avoid disputes by being the party with better records. We discuss how record keeping differs between main and subcontractors and what contractors can do to set themselves apart.

The topic is relevant to every project, and in my opinion, record-keeping is a habit every project and contractor needs to take.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

  1. A Bill of Quantities Template
  2. A Vesting Certificate Template

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Entire Agreement Clauses: What You Need to Know Before Submitting Your Tender (EP 118)22 May 202300:38:00

In the studio today, we have Lawrence Pearce, a construction solicitor at Holmes & Hills Solicitors. Lawrence is a Construction Lawyer who helps construction companies to avoid costly disputes and keep the money flowing within the industry.

Lawrence is a contract law episode, and everyone should follow him on LinkedIn for fantastic insight. In today’s conversation, we focus on Entire Agreement clauses, which Lawrence has seen become a bigger and bigger problem in the sector. Do you know what an entire agreement clause is? If not, you need to listen to this, as your tender could be invalid!

A must-listen for all commercially minded construction professionals.

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As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

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C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Navigating the Use of Provisional Sums in Construction Contracts (EP 117)15 May 202300:45:29

In the studio today, we have Richard Brackstone, CEO of RB Management and Consulting Ltd. Richard is a QS turned consultant who’s unique consultancy has an innovative approach providing specialist, executive-level support to companies in construction with a focus on Risk Management and Commercial Best Practices.

In this focused episode on Provisional Sums, Richard explains what Provisional Sums are, how they are different from PC sums and how to use both defined and undefined provisional sums. Richard explains best practices and how many contractors and subcontractors often fall down when using Provisional Sums.

Here is a link to Richard’s paper and this is a must-listen for all commercially minded construction professionals.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Equipment Equation: Weighing the Costs of Hiring vs. Buying Plant for your business (EP 116)08 May 202300:39:11

In the studio today, we have Daniel Parker, the UK Country Manager for easyToolhire, a platform that simplifies the rental of tools, equipment and machinery. Daniel is a serial entrepreneur interested in blockchain and property and generally doing some good and is currently growing the easyToolhire here in the UK.

In this fascinating episode, Daniel explains easyToolhire’s unique business model and talks about his experience of trying to innovate and breakthrough in the construction industry. We debate whether contractors should buy or hire plant, particularly in the context of today’s economy.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below: 

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Contractor's Guide to Getting Paid: Dealing with Delays and Cost Disputes (EP 115)01 May 202300:53:52

This week, Paul is joined by Cian Brennan, Managing Director at Quantum Contract Solutions, a company giving “contractual superpowers to construction companies”. Cian helps contractors navigate the choppy waters of construction projects and contracts and provides expert advice.

In this contractually focused conversation, we discuss two real-life examples of contractors who were either not being paid for a variation or for an extension of time (two things I’m sure most people are familiar with!). Cian provides terrific advice on navigating your way out of these situations.

You can find Cian’s podcast, Construction Secrets, by clicking here.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to two of the two free downloads below:

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

The Future of Quantity Surveying: Data Analytics and the Changing Landscape of Construction with the RICS (EP 114)24 Apr 202300:39:05

This week, Paul is joined by Andrew Knight, Global Data & Tech Lead at the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors (RICS), who I think everyone will have heard of. Andrew is a highly experienced technology specialist and is currently leading the program to develop, enhance and gain adoption of RICS’ Data Standards.

In this episode, we again focus on the future of the Quantity Surveying role.

We discuss how data is being monetised today, how it will be monetised in the future, and most importantly, how Quantity Surveyors can be a big part of that. The RICS have recently adopted Data Standards, and Andrew’s role is to talk about this and explain how Quantity Surveyors and SMEs can build their data analytics capability.

This is an excellent follow on to our viral episodes 88 and 90 on the future of the QS. Check them out if you’ve not before.

Your free OTB download

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to a free eBook titled the Ultimate Guide to Subcontract Tendering. 


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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Inside the Mind of a Subcontractor: What Happens when they receive a Main Contract Tender (EP 113)17 Apr 202300:44:27

This week, Paul is joined by Mike Wharton, Chief Executive Officer at Complete Roofing Systems, Allied Roofing and Roof Analytics. Mike is passionate about quality and standards in the delivery of construction and has had an exciting journey from Equity Analyst and Fund Manager to CEO at a roofing subcontractor.

I believe that often Main contractors consider subcontractors a commodity and then are disappointed by the lack of quotes they receive. Usually, I think this is due to the approach and presentation of main contract enquiry documents. During today’s show, we explore how subcontractors view tenders that arrive into their business: what they perceive as an interesting tender and what is a laughable one.

If you’re a main contractor, this will be a real eye-opener, and if you’re a subcontractor, this will hopefully educate you on some top tips to mirror in your business.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared a link to a free eBook titled the Ultimate Guide to Subcontract Tendering. 

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

How to navigate the choppy waters between material supplier and customer, as a subcontractor. (EP 112)10 Apr 202300:40:45

This week, Paul is joined by Nicola Barden, Managing Director at BSF Solid Surfaces, a specialist subcontractor specialising in 3D Thermoforming and producing bespoke centrepiece designs since 1998.

During today’s show, we talk about inflation and how this has affected Nicola’s business in the past few years. Nicola shares tactics on how she has managed her relationship with her suppliers and then with her clients to ensure that her business best navigated this situation.

In this entertaining episode, Nicola also shares her thoughts on retention, payment and how she would improve construction.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared some links to free downloads on templates and guides we wrote below:

If there are other documents, you’d like us to share/produce. Please get in touch with me at paul@c-link.com.

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

How to Work Smarter, Not Harder: Balancing Work and Life in Construction. (EP 111)03 Apr 202300:44:02

This week, Paul is joined by Parag Prasad, a Business Coach, focusing heavily on construction. Managing Director at The Business Growth Agency. Parag was awarded London Business Coach of the Year 2019, 2020 and 2021 and focuses heavily on architecture and knows our sector well.

The episode was designed as a follow-on to episode 104, which focused on whether a 4-day working week was possible in construction.

“Construction workers are putting in more than 5 hours per week than the average worker in Britain. British workers already spend considerably more time working than the rest of Europe.”

In this thought-provoking and informative episode, Parag talks about his experience coaching individuals in the construction and architecture sector on balancing work and life for the betterment of their health and also business performance. 

A truly valuable listen for all in construction.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared some links to free downloads on templates and guides we wrote below:

If there are other documents you’d like us to share/produce. Please get in touch with me at paul@c-link.com.

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Beyond the Headlines: The Impact of Value Engineering on the Grenfell Disaster. (EP 110)27 Mar 202300:39:49

This week, Paul is joined by Samantha Mepham, Partner - National Head of Health and Safety Services at Rider Levett Bucknall, a global Quantity Surveying and Construction consultancy.

In this thought-provoking and informative episode, Samantha first explains how the Building Safety Act will impact contractors and what they should do to adapt to the legislation.

Beyond this, the conversation turns to the Grenfell disaster and how value engineering played a big part in the tragedy. From this, we talk about what Quantity Surveyors and procurement professionals should learn from this in the context of value engineering.

A truly valuable listen for construction professionals at contractors. 


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Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared some links to free downloads on templates and guides we wrote below:


If there are other documents, you’d like us to share/produce. Please get in touch with me at paul@c-link.com.


Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient Quantity Surveyors available in the market. At C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS.


Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

10 Commercial Mistakes I Made Early in My Career — And What I’d Do Differently (EP 228)28 Jul 202500:30:25

In this reflective episode of Own the Build, Paul is joined by Chris Barber to dive deep into the early mistakes they made as young Quantity Surveyors — and what they’ve learned from them since.

If you’ve ever sat in a final account meeting feeling underprepared, avoided a difficult conversation with a subcontractor, or been caught off guard by a variation — you are not alone.

🎯 In this episode, Paul and Chris discuss:

  • The pressure of being thrown into the deep end as a trainee QS
  • Why their first final account meetings gave them a false sense of confidence
  • What they’d do differently to manage variations, stakeholders and scope changes
  • The power of one-to-ones, and why they’re still rare in construction firms
  • How to manage difficult conversations internally and externally — before they blow up
  • Why learning to regulate emotion in meetings is a career superpower

If you’re in the early years of your QS career — or mentoring someone who is — this is a must-listen.

📩 If you'd like to read the two Own the Build eBooks based on 200+ episodes — Mastering Your Career in Quantity Surveying and The AI Revolution in Quantity Surveying — head to the show notes to download your free copy.

Download them here - Free eBook Downloads.

🎙 Got a question or topic for a future episode? Email: paul@c-link.com

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

Why Subcontractors need to be better at saying no (EP 109)20 Mar 202300:40:28

This week, Paul is joined by his close friend and QS, Chris Barber. Chris is a Co-Founder at Prosper, a platform helping subcontractors to scale their business and also a passionate advocate for subcontractors on his YouTube channel, School of Sub

In today’s conversation, Chris talks about how main contractors need to start managing subcontractors with empathy and, if they do not, why subcontractors should push back. Chris has worked as a Main and Subcontract QS and leans into his experience on both sides to share his best practice advice.

A must-listen for all Quantity Surveyors and anyone doing procurement.

Your free OTB downloads

As promised at the top of the show - I’ve shared some links to free downloads on templates and guides we wrote below:

If there are other documents you’d like us to share/produce. Please get in touch with me at paul@c-link.com.

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

How a kit-of-parts will impact construction in the future (EP 108)13 Mar 202300:37:53

This week, Paul is joined by Dale Sinclair, the Head of Digital Innovation at WSP. Many of you will know WSP, but if you don’t, WSP is one of the world’s leading engineering professional services firms, with 42000 employees across 40+ countries.

In today’s conversation, Dale explains the term ‘Kit-of-parts’ and its relevance to us in the construction sector. Across the conversation, Dale explains how a kit-of-parts will change the way we work and what it might do to the role of the Architect and the QS moving forward.


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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

How to ACTUALLY manage risk on construction projects (EP 107)06 Mar 202300:51:10

This week, Paul is joined by Chris Ritson, Senior Risk & Uncertainty Consultant at Safran, a software company building a unified project management solution to help organisations confidently tackle complex capital projects.

Chris is an out-and-out risk expert, and Paul wanted to interview him to fully understand the difference between how a Risk Manager and a QS manage risks and what QS’ could learn.

Across the episode, we cover parametric modelling, Montecarlo simulations and best practice when managing risks and opportunities. Chris advises best setting up projects and project teams to manage risks. If you work construction risks - you really should listen in.

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Are you struggling with a lack of Quantity Surveyors?

A recent RICS Survey found that 54% of main contractors reported insufficient numbers of Quantity Surveyors available in the market, and at C-Link, we completed a survey that found 80% of companies find it challenging to recruit QS at the moment.

Are you one of those companies?

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Main Contractors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.


Book a demo to learn more by clicking here.

Send us Fan Mail


Want to connect with Paul?

Paul is on Linkedin here and would love to talk. You can also connect with Paul at paul@c-link.com or through, C-Link. 

C-Link is software built by Quantity Surveyors for Quantity Surveyors. We save 600 hours of Quantity Surveying time per project in automation. We can make your QS’ so much more efficient.

Watch the Video to learn more; you can book a demo by clicking here.


 

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