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In this episode, Henrique Sousa Dias, Product Lead for Liquid Lane at Symbiotic, discusses why liquidity has become one of the biggest bottlenecks for tokenized assets and what it will take for RWAs, credit, and on-chain finance to scale.

We cover how Symbiotic is expanding beyond restaking into a broader capital efficiency layer, how Liquid Lane aims to make tokenized assets more liquid and composable across DeFi, and what changes with V2.

We also discuss capital efficiency, fees, and value capture, the due diligence and whitelisting process for RWAs, the risks institutions need to consider, and why better liquidity infrastructure could unlock the next wave of adoption for tokenized credit, insurance, and real-world assets.

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In this episode, Abi Dharshan, Head of Product at Zerion discusses how they evolved from a DeFi portfolio tracker into a wallet infrastructure company powering both consumer and B2B crypto experiences.

We cover why wallets remain one of the most important interfaces in crypto, how Zerion thinks about the wallet as distribution and data as the business, and why high-quality interpreted wallet data is still difficult to build in-house.

We also discuss Zerion’s revenue model, including swap fees, premium subscriptions, API contracts, and future opportunities around cards and agentic workflows. Abi also shares lessons from launching and sunsetting ZERO Network, the limits of the fat wallet thesis, and Zerion’s broader vision for the future.

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In this episode, Aaron Kong, Director of Decentralized Finance at Figure, discusses how they are building capital markets infrastructure to make real-world credit faster, cheaper, and more accessible onchain.

We cover how Figure became one of the largest non-bank HELOC originators in the US and how much blockchain rails help reduce origination costs and improve loan execution.

We also discuss Figure’s DeFi strategy across Democratized Prime, Hashra, $Prime, and $YLDS, as well as its expansion into new credit asset classes. Aaron explains the role of DeFi capital, the risk profile of real-world credit, and Figure’s broader vision of turning institutional-grade credit markets into globally accessible onchain yield.

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Figure: Figure - America's #1 Non-Bank HELOC Lender 

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In this episode, Iggy Ioppe, Chief Investment Officer at Theo, discusses how Theo is building a 3.0 generation of RWA products designed to make traditional financial markets usable onchain.

We cover why tokenization alone is not enough, how much of today’s financial infrastructure still runs on outdated rails, and why many early RWA products have struggled to move beyond tokenization theater into liquidity and DeFi integration.

We also discuss Theo’s current product set, including tokenized treasuries, tokenized gold, and a yield-bearing stablecoin powered by a gold carry strategy. Iggy explains Theo’s business model, retail accessibility, regulatory considerations, and the company’s broader vision of building an onchain wealth management platform available globally, 24/7, with no minimums.

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In this episode, Nicholas Cannon, Chief Business Officer at Gauntlet, discusses how data-driven risk curation is helping DeFi become safer, more resilient, and easier to access at scale.

We cover how wallets, neo-banks, and enterprise integrations are becoming key distribution channels for onchain strategies, why Gauntlet currently sets performance fees at zero as part of a growth-first approach, and how that may evolve into sustainable monetization over time.

We also discuss the growing role of institutional participants, from asset managers like Apollo to major banks, the future of crypto-native risk curators versus in-house strategies, and how recent industry hacks have shaped Gauntlet’s approach to security, resilience, and risk management.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:44 What is Gauntlet?
08:30 Distribution and adoption curve across sectors.
20:49 Business model and growth-first strategy.
30:50 Institutional adoption and the role of risk curators.
36:29 Security lessons and the future of safer DeFi.

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Gauntelt: https://www.gauntlet.xyz/ 
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In this episode, Patryk Krasnicki, Director of Research at Serotonin, discusses the evolving onchain credit landscape and how crypto credit markets are moving beyond short-term, crypto-native lending.

We cover the main categories shaping the space, including credit issuance, capital allocation, infrastructure, and risk management, as well as why overcollateralized lending, tokenized institutional funds, and real-world credit are becoming important areas for DeFi.

Resources:

• Report: https://se.ro/feed/article/state-of-onchain-credit
• Article on the map: https://x.com/Solofunk/status/2048827810295218642

Chapters
00:00 — Introduction to onchain credit
04:37 — Mapping the onchain credit landscape
11:44 — Liquidity, yield, and institutional credit
17:29 — Growth areas and risks involved 
22.22 — On-chain origination, underwriting, and credit scoring 
27:32 — What comes next?

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In this episode, we sit down with Azeem, Co-founder of Miden, to talk about what it actually takes to build a privacy-focused blockchain from the ground up.

We get into what Miden is building, how its Guardian feature works, the common misconceptions people still have about privacy in crypto, and how Miden stacks up against others in the space.

Featuring:
Azeem — Co-founder of Miden

Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:56 Fundamentals of Miden
05:30 Misunderstandings About Privacy
09:03 What is Guardian?
15:42 Miden's Core Clients & What's Being Built on Miden
23:39 Miden's Long-term Business Model
33:00 The Future of Tokens & Digital Assets
37:29 Miden's Token Strategy
45:55 Miden vs. Competitors

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In this episode, we use EthCC in Cannes as a starting point of where the crypto industry is right now.                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We talk about the current market shift, the growing institutional presence, what builders and infra teams are prioritizing, and what operators are both worried and excited about.             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Featuring perspectives from: 
Anya — Director of EMEA at Galaxy
Francesco — Head of DevRel at MetaMask 
Simon — Product Marketing Lead at Gauntlet 
Azeem — Co-founder of Miden 

Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:28 Episode setup & guest lineup
03:19 Azeem (Miden) — Institutions care about tech, not price
16:33 Anya (Galaxy Digital) — EthCC from an institutional lens
22:03 Simon (Gauntlet) — EthCC recap
32:53 Francesco (MetaMask) — Builders' Nights & EthCC vibe
47:22 Takeaways — the bar is higher, and that's a good thing

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In this episode, Aishwarya Gupta, the Global Head of Business at Polygon Labs, gives a deep dive into how Polygon Labs is building a sustainable enterprise business.

We cover Polygon’s full-stack strategy across wallets, stablecoins, interoperability, compliance, enterprise APIs, and ZK infrastructure, and why the next generation of blockchain ecosystems will be judged by real customers, recurring revenue, and scalable infrastructure.
We also look into why blockchain foundations can no longer rely only on grants, token-based income, or free infrastructure, and how enterprise demand may reshape the business model for crypto networks.     

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This podcast explores what actually works in the onchain economy as a business.

We are long-term believers in the space, but we also believe it needs more honest conversations about how it works in practice.

That means looking beyond narratives and focusing on business models, incentives, and outcomes — what drives value today, and what it really takes to operate behind the scenes.

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