Joe sits down with Max Morin, a reining horse trainer based in Aubrey, Texas, who’s built a name for himself developing top-tier 2-year-old prospects. Originally from France, Max’s love for horses started young—even when he had to learn from horsemanship videos in a language he barely understood. He shares how he made it to the U.S., landed a job with legendary trainer John Lyons, and eventually carved out a place of his own in the performance horse world.

Max opens up about his journey, the mentors who shaped his horsemanship—like John & Josh Lyons and Nick Dowers—and how he’s now focused on blending strong fundamentals with elite performance. It’s a story of grit, passion, and the pursuit of excellence in and out of the arena.

Cole Cameron is a horseman, clinician, and competitor from Bluff Dale, TX. In this episode of On the Move, Ben sits down with Cole to discuss his journey in horsemanship, from personal experiences and career-defining moments to the evolving landscape of clinics and expos. They dive into the challenges of teaching, the importance of financial literacy for trainers, and the realities of balancing family life with a demanding career. As a past Road to the Horse competitor, Cole shares his insights on the event, reflecting on his experience in the competition and its impact on the industry.

Nevada Miller is a talented silversmith, jeweler, and founder of the Be A Maker School. Raised in California, Nevada grew up immersed in entrepreneurship and craftsmanship, learning valuable lessons from her parents that shaped her work ethic and dedication.

Nevada shares how her upbringing influenced her journey as an artist and entrepreneur, inspiring her to create the Be A Maker School—a platform where students can learn directly from skilled craftspeople in fields like saddle making, rawhide braiding, leatherworking, and jewelry making. She also reflects on her experience adapting to life in a small, rural town in southern Nevada as a young woman fresh out of college.

Tina Butler is an equine physio who has worked all over the world with FEI equine athletes.  Tina has had a number of accomplishments in her career, including being the physio for the 2008 American Show Jumping Team that won the gold medal at the Beijing Olympics.  Ben and Joe discuss massage therapy, equine nutrition, and much more.

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Joe Wolter is a well known horseman and clinician. Joe was born and raised in California and grew up around horses. He went on to work for Ray Hunt, learn from Tom And Bill Dorrance and work for the 6666 ranch in Texas. Ben and Joe discuss horse showing, cattle dogs and how your attitude affects the stock you’re working with.

Natalie Murphy is a singer, song writer and musician located in Nashville, TN.  Natalie has also been an avid horse enthusiast from a young age and continues her horsemanship journey along side her husband and children.  Ben and Joe enjoy a conversation about music, horses and overcoming self doubt.

Look up Natalie Murphy on Spotify and other music platforms to find her music, including her new single Proving Me Wrong.

John Saint Ryan is a British actor turned horseman.  Brought to the states in pursuit of a career in film, John met Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance.  The teachings of Ray and Tom had a profound impact on John, who is now a trainer and clinician based in Southern California.   Ben and Joe sit down with John to discuss accents, martial arts, horsemanship, and much more.

Cliff Williamson has spent the last 7 years as the Director of Health and Regulatory Affairs for the American Horse Counsel.  Ben and Joe sit down to discuss some of the most prevalent issues affecting the American horse industry today.  Topics discussed include thoroughbred racing, Tennessee walking horses, and how everyday horse enthusiasts can help have an impact on federal policy.   To find out more about the American Horse Council visit horsecouncil.org

Cary Schwarz is an artist and saddle maker who has been in leather working for the past 45 years. Cary is known for his saddle making and role within the Traditional Cowboy Arts Association. Cary continues to make saddles and teach others to improve their craftsmanship.  Topics discussed include how to encourage learning, what it means to be an artist and how saddle making has evolved over the course of the last 40 years.

Ben and Joe sit down for a conversation about success, failure and gratitude.  Topics discussed include being process oriented, academics, practitioners, learning how to succeed and the importance of peers.  Hope you enjoy this fun conversation as we all reflect on what we have to be thankful for during this holiday season.

Greg Jost is a former IT professional who has lived on the road with his horse for the past two years.  Ben and Joe first met Greg in the fall of 2022 at a Buck Brannaman clinic.  Greg “caught the bug” after his first clinic and attended five consecutive Buck clinics from coast to coast.   Topics discussed include starting on one’s horsemanship journey, dealing with frustration and how to stay on the move.

Rahul and Houston are top level, American polocrosse players.  Ben and Joe sit down with the pair for an enjoyable conversation about the sport.  Topics discussed include American polocrosse, the polocrosse World Cup, and developing horses to play the game.

Dr. Bill Barnes is a practicing Orthopaedic surgeon, musician and an avid horseman. He raises cattle and horses on his ranch in Georgia where he helps people pursue their own journey with horses.

Jaton Lord is a Reined Cow Horse Trainer from California. Jaton was exposed to the horse world through the help of his grandfather, Ray Hunt. As a teenager, Jaton travelled the world with grandpa Ray, riding colts and getting exposed to thousands of horses and riders. When he came of age, Jaton opted to start his career in the performance horse industry. Jaton joins Joe to share his journey of cowboying, showing and helping people with their horses. Topics discussed include the relationship between horsemanship and horse showing, the importance of not forcing things to happen, and what it takes to be successful in the horse business.

Kip Fladland is a cowboy and clinician who has been riding horses for the public for over 20 years.  He has cowboyed for a living, worked on dude ranches and worked for Buck Brannaman on the clinic trail.   Ben and Joe discuss Kip’s background, riding outside horses, life on the road and cowboy gear.

Ben and Joe sit down for episode seventeen. The conversation moves into a discussion centered around what it means to block out unwarranted opinions of others and instead focus on being a more self aware individual.

Ricky Quinn is a clinician and rancher from North Platte, Nebraska.  Ricky puts on several horsemanship clinics throughout the country and helps run the Lazy U Quarter Horses program at Olson Farms.  Ben and Joe discuss selling horses, Ricky’s upbringing, and Ricky’s perspective on horsemanship and personal growth.

Buck Brannaman is an internationally known horseman and clinician.  Topics discussed include chasing wild horses, learning to deal with people and the vaquero tradition.

Ben and Joe sit down and debrief after Buck Brannaman's clinic in Lewisburg, WV.  Topics discussed include what they learned, the attitude they have going into a clinic and the culture surrounding a Buck Brannaman clinic.

Jakob Huck is a horseman from Western Nebraska.  He currently works for Buck Brannaman, supporting him as he puts on horsemanship clinics around the country.  Ben and Joe talk with Jakob about life on the road, his journey in horsemanship and his goals for the future.

Jake Heck is a father, wrangler and avid bowhunter. He and his family run Fort Valley Ranch in Virgina. Previously they ran M Lazy C Guest Ranch in Central Colorado where Ben worked for them. Ben and Joe discuss Jake's approach to implementing horsemanship in the trail string, diet, fitness, and the Mount Rushmore of classic Disney movies.

Jon Binninger along with his wife Hannah are the founders and owners of Landgrove Coffee Co. In addition to roasting quality coffee, the Binningers devote spare time to bettering they're horsemanship and enjoying life at the family's home in Troy, ID. Listen in as we chat with Jon to hear how it all came about.

Dr. Mark Crisman is an exceptionally well traveled Doctor of Veterinary Medicine who has been practicing for over 30 years.  Ben and Joe learn about Mark’s unique path to becoming a vet, his international experiences and his perspective on the current state of veterinary medicine.

Alicia Landman is a horseman from Nashville, TN.  She helps people have a better relationship with their horse by riding for the public and teaching lessons.  Ben and Joe discuss Alicia’s early life with gaited horses, and the life long pursuit of becoming better horsemen.

Paul Van Dyke is a saddle maker and horse trainer from Sheridan Wyoming. Originally from Michigan, Paul always had a love of the western arts and lifestyle. As a teenager, the course of his life would be changed when he took a trip to Sheridan, Wyoming and met Don Butler. In the Spring of 1997 Paul went to work for Don to learn the art of saddle making. From there, Paul began to carve out a life in the area, riding colts and cowboying in the summer and building saddles in the winter. Today Paul continues to make saddles and train horses in addition to teaching saddle making courses. Join Joe as he sits down with Paul to discuss saddle making, the art of teaching and the unique, rich history of the Sheridan style of leather work.

Chas Weldon is a saddle maker hailing from Billings, Montana. He comes from a ranching background which laid the foundation for his saddle making philosophy.  He has worked on some of the biggest outfits in Montana and Wyoming including the historic Padlock Ranch. Chas got his start in leather working at the famous Connolly Saddlery and would go one to work with legendary saddlers such as Dale Harwood and Chuck Storms.

Roby Moreland is a horse trainer based in Weatherford, TX. He spent almost a decade at McGinnis Meadows Ranch in Libby, MT and has studied horsemanship under some notable mentors. He is currently pursuing a career in the performance horse arena.

Dylan Palm is our friend and a fellow enthusiast on the horsemanship journey who has been interning with Bill Barnes. Throughout a lively conversation we ask him about his time in Georgia, his introduction into horses and wish him the best before he heads back to his home state of Washington.

Ben and Joe sit down with farrier Travis Burns.  Travis is an Associate Professor of Practice and the Chief of Farrier Services at The Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine.  Topics discussed include Travis’s journey to become a therapeutic farrier, kertomas, laminitis, and the current state of the farrier industry.

Ben and Joe examine some of the struggles they are encountering in the process of pursuing better horsemanship.  They also talk about a few of the things that keep them encouraged and motivated on their journey.

Ben and Joe discuss two figures that have intrigued them.  First, they examine 13th century world leader Ghengis Khan.  The man who started the world’s largest land empire and shaped much of the history in Asia, Europe and the Middle East.  Second, Ben and Joe talk about 5 time NBA Champion Kobe Bryant.  Known for his Mamba Mentality”, Kobe is seen as one of most competitive and well disciplined basketball players of all time.  Listen here to hear Ben and Joe deliberate on these extraordinary men and how they stayed on the move.

Ben and Joe reflect on the weekend at Stony Creek Ranch.  Topics discussed include which historical figures you’d like to have dinner with, favorite TV shows and how to deal with the fear of failure.

Ben and Joe discuss the genesis of the podcast, horsemen, cowboys, whiskey and what it means to be ‘On The Move’.

Zöe Chappelear is a horse trainer from Burbank, Oklahoma. The wife of former guest, Derek Chappelear, Zöe runs her business out of K Barr C Ranch. Zöe joins Joe to share the story of her horsemanship education, the growing of her business and her goals for the future. Topics discussed include getting wholistic education in the horse industry, what it looks like to grow a training business and the importance of letting horses think for themselves.

Dana Glass is a horseman from Wellington, Florida. Dana and his wife, Dressage Olympian Kasey Perry-Glass, both work with horses for a living. Dana did not grow up around horses, but at the end of his collegiate baseball career he was recruited to work on a large guest ranch in Colorado. Though it wasn’t always the easiest work, this job spurred Dana’s passion for working with horses and starting colts. Dana once again had a pivotal moment in his education when he was introduced to the horsemanship of former guests such as Buck Brannaman, Joe Wolter and Buster Mclaury. Since then, Dana has been pursuing good horsemanship through his work. Today, Dana works with colts all the way up to Olympic level show horses. Join Ben and Joe as they learn about Dana’s fascinating horsemanship journey.

Dan Lorenz is the Founder of Ranch Vision Achievement, a consulting company that focuses on leadership and business development that helps ranches and conservation groups flourish. Dan has spent time all over the country, from the suburbs of Chicago, dressage barns of Florida, to the ranches of Northwest Wyoming. He has a passion for horsemanship, ranching and people. He’s gone through several business ventures over the years, but his most recent one focuses on problems he’s encountered his whole life, dysfunctional organizations. Dan joins Ben and Joe to share his journey and talk about what he has seen that has made people and organizations both successful and unsuccessful. Topics discussed include ranching in predator country, burning out from business and how to set your life up to have meaningful work.

Lauren Trager-Burns is a Clinical Assistant professor at the Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine. Her residency was in Equine Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation. Today she currently practices on performance horses from both the English and Western disciplines. Joe and Lauren sit down to discuss her career, equine orthopedics and recovery. Topics discussed include working with off the track thoroughbreds, the best recovery tools for your horse and the importance of a proper warmup.

Joe and Ben sit down to discuss the recent controversy with Charlotte Dujardin, an Olympic Dressage rider from the UK who withdrew from the Paris Olympics after a video was exposed of her whipping a student's horse 24 times in a row. The Dujardin controversy has sparked a lot of discussion in the equine world and has sparked a larger audience with some even calling for the banning of equine events in the Olympics. Joined by their friend, Noelle Hasler, Ben and Joe discuss the details of Charlotte's video, the international response and how it impacts the larger equine community.

Ryley Miller is a competitive horse driver from Pennsylvania. She currently competes at the FEI 2 Star level. FEI driving operates similar to three day eventing. It consists of three phases, Dressage, Marathon and Cones. Ryley joins Ben and Joe to educate them on this discipline and share her journey as a young driver making her way to the upper echelon of the sport. Topics discussed include the format of driving competitions, the horses and gear used in driving and the challenges of being a young competitor at a high level.

Scott and Andrea Van Leuven live in Lovelock, Nevada. Scott is the cow boss at the C Punch Ranch, a million acre ranch with one fence. They operate on a harvest model, meaning they never pull out their bulls and they calve year round. This model creates a unique job description for Scott and Andrea who consistently rope and work cattle in the open. The Van Leuven's join Ben and Joe to talk about their day to day on the C Punch and how they have seen ranching change over their careers. Topics discussed include how in the introduction of Angus cattle has influenced stockmanship, the type of horses required for long days in rural Nevada, and the practical use of traditional buckaroo roping.

Joseph Bentz is a horse trainer and rancher from Jentura, Oregon. Joseph grew up on his family's ranch in eastern Oregon. After deciding that college was not the path he wanted to take, he worked for Nick Dowers for two years in Dyer, Nevada. In Dyer, Joseph not only honed his horse training ability, but also learned to manage people and better run a ranch. Today, he heads up the colt starting program at his family's Spur Brand Horse Program in Oregon. Every year the Bentz family puts on the Ranchers Horse Sale. For more information you can visit their website at www.ranchershorsesale.com.

Joseph will be competing in the Road to The Horse 2025 as a wild card competitor. If you'd like to watch him in Road to The Horse, he will be competing starting March 27th in Lexington, KY. A livestream is available at Road to The Horse's Youtube Channel.

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Dr. Deb Bennett is the founder of the Equine Studies Institute. For over three decades, Dr. Bennett has used her PhD in Vertebrae Paleontology and her passion in horses to help educate people on biomechanics. Dr. Bennett joins Ben and Joe to discuss another hot button item in the horse world: collection. The conversation starts with Asian horsemen from thousands of years ago and ends with modern day disciplines and how collection is used. Topics discussed include what is high collection, what has been mistaken for collection in the past and why collection ultimately boils down to a coiling of the horses loins. Tune in for an incredibly interesting discussion on a hot button issue in the horse world.

Dougie Hall is an social media influencer, public speaker and the owner of Good Medicine Bucking Horses. Dougie lives in Browning, Montana on the Blackfoot Indian Reservation. Today, Dougie gives back to his community through his public speaking. He believes it's important to share his story to help inspire young natives to overcome the generational trauma that can often be common in their communities. In addition to his public speaking, Dougie breeds bucking horses. A passion he learned from his uncle, Mouse Hall. Dougie joins Ben and Joe to share his story and talk about his perspective on leading a fulfilling and enriching life.

John Darnell is the founder of 310 Ranch Life. Originally a ranch rope dealership, 310 Ranch Life now sells ropes, tack, apparel, has a video library, puts on clinics and sponsors ranch roping competitions. John sits down with Ben and Joe to share his journey from hard working cowboy to small business owner. John started learning his craft through recreational ranch ropings, but was given the opportunity to hone his skills when he was given the task of managing herd health for a very large cattle operation in Alabama. Topics discussed include when is the right time to go full time with your business, the time and work required to master your craft, and stories from the most recent 310 Ranch Life trip to the C Punch ranch in Nevada.

Chris Turnbull manages a station for the Lansdowne Pastoral Company in Tambo, Queensland, Australia. Chris grew up in rural Queensland and was raised up in station life. Today Chris uses dogs, horses, and his crew to manage sheep and cattle in the Australian outback. Chris joins Ben and Joe in person to discuss horsemanship, stock dogs and life in the Australian bush.

Loncey Johnson is a saddle maker and cowboy from Dillon, Montana. From an early age, he had an interest in leather working. Loncey started his saddle making career in his teenage years and has continued to grow his business ever since. Ben and Joe sit down with Loncey to discuss his perspective as a younger saddle maker and how he balances tradition with new style and design. Topics discussed include growing your business, what makes a good using saddle and how western saddle trends have changed with the modern cowboy.

Kyle Noyce is a reined cow horse trainer from Blanchard, Oklahoma. Kyle grew up in Northern Minnesota, and despite not coming from "horse family", he has always had a passion for working with horses. Today, Kyle is a well known trainer in the NRCHA. Kyle joins Ben and Joe to share his journey of learning to work with horses by "diving in the deep end" and how an extended hiatus from horse training allowed Kyle to come back to the sport with a better perspective and the right motivation. Topics discussed include how to lead a training program, what makes a trainer successful in reined cow horse, and the importance of approaching horse showing the right way.

Sam Cockburn is a steeplechase trainer and Jockey from Middleburg, VA. Sam grew up surrounded by the steeplechase industry that is father was involved in. Today Sam pursues his goals of making successful steeplechase horse. Join Ben and Joe as they sit down with Sam to learn about the American Steeplechase industry and what it takes to be successful. Topics discussed include the confirmation needed for longevity in racing, the difference between hurdle and timber racing and what it takes to prepare a horse to be accurate to a jump while putting forth such large physical exertion. Tune in for a fun conversation about an industry rich in tradition and excitement.

Ben and Joe sit down for a solo episode to celebrate and reflect on making it to 100 episodes. They reflect on how the podcast and their time in the horse business has changed them. Topics discussed include the importance of not rushing to judgement, the power conversation has to build empathy and understanding, and what it means to be an onlooker versus the man in the arena. Join Ben and Joe as they celebrate this milestone and look forward to hundreds of more episodes thanks to listeners like you!

Josey Wales (his nickname that was affectionately bestowed upon him by the 6666s cowboys) came to the US for the first time in 2017. Ever since he was young, Josey wanted to be a cowboy. However, he was not born in the heart of Texas, rather the rural hills of Wales. After graduating from university, Josey decided to pursue his boyhood dream of cowboying and went to Texas. This led him to the 6666s ranch of all places where he would meet cowboys such as former guest, Dusty Burson, and cowboy legend, Boots O’Neal. Though the road wasn’t easy and the learning curve was steep, Josey continues to pursue the craft of cowboying today. Join Ben and Joe as they sit down with Josey to discuss this tale of determination, toughness and a man who is turning himself into a true Texas cowboy, despite the odds.