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Season 8, Episode 5: How did Madison Realty Capital grow from a $10M fund into one of the most active private credit platforms in real estate? Today, we sit down with Josh Zegen, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Madison Realty Capital, to break down how MRC built its lending business before private credit became an institutional asset class. Josh shares how the firm survived the GFC, became vertically integrated, and scaled into a major capital source for sponsors when banks pulled back. Whether you’re interested in distressed debt, construction lending, office-to-residential conversions, or today’s maturity wall, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into how Madison thinks about risk, rescue capital, borrower relationships, and finding opportunity in a volatile market. Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction to Josh Zegen and Madison Realty Capital 05:00 – The Early Private Credit Opportunity 10:53 – Surviving the GFC and Taking Over Assets 15:45 – Becoming a Construction Lending Powerhouse 19:00 – Back Leverage and Lending to Lenders 24:12 – Distress, Rescue Capital, and Loan Workouts 31:24 – Fundraising, Insurance Capital, and Investor Demand 35:44 – The Pfizer Office-to-Residential Conversion 42:40 – West Palm Beach, Florida, Texas, and Hot Markets 48:12 – Recaps, Volatility, and Building Through the Cycle For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 4: She oversees $60 billion in U.S. real estate equity, and she says the old playbook is done. Soultana Reigle is Managing Director and Head of US Equity at PGIM Real Estate, where she leads the firm's $60B US equity platform and serves as Senior Portfolio Manager for its US value-add strategies. PGIM Real Estate manages over $200B in debt and equity globally, and sits within PGIM, the $1.4T asset management arm of Prudential Financial. In this episode, Soultana breaks down how PGIM is deploying capital across the country, why "sharpshooting" specific deals has replaced broad-based sector bets, and where she's finding the best opportunities in today's market. Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:31 – Building a $60B Value-Add Platform from Scratch 09:04 – GFC Lessons 13:52 – The "Sharpshooter" Strategy and Sourcing $8B in Deal Flow 15:02 – Senior Housing and Low-Latency Data Center Thesis 25:24 – Buying a San Francisco Office Asset 33:48 – Capital on the Sidelines and Navigating "Higher for Longer" Rates 44:20 – AI Disruption, Career Advice, and why EQ is a Superpower For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 3: How did Fernando De Leon go from translating legal disputes as a teenager on the US-Mexico border to building Leon Capital Group? Today, we sit down with Fernando De Leon, Founder and CEO of Leon Capital Group, to break down one of the most remarkable founder stories in real estate. Fernando shares how his early life in Matamoros and South Texas shaped his view of risk, opportunity, and systems. We also get into his first real estate equity stake, his time at Harvard and Goldman Sachs, and how he built conviction before the GFC. Whether you’re interested in distressed debt, Texas real estate, AI, data centers, or the mindset behind durable compounding, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into the skepticism, stamina, and timing that helped Fernando build across real estate, private equity, and operating businesses. Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction to Fernando De Leon 07:00 – Early Real Estate Lessons on the Border 14:00 – Harvard, Mentors, and Long-Term Seeds 21:40 – Leaving Goldman and Optioning Texas Land 28:29 – Buying Distressed Loans After the GFC 37:07 – Why 2008 Won’t Repeat the Same Way 46:43 – AI, Data Centers, and Hidden Risk 52:48 – Building Operating Businesses 57:07 – Mental Health, Talent, and New Opportunities 01:04:00 – Mistakes, Stamina, and AI Disruption For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 2: How does one of the nation’s largest real estate capital pools navigate a "real estate recession" while the rest of the economy stays hot? Today, we sit down with Eli Edwards, Managing Director at Fortress Investment Group and Head of US Real Estate Equity, to break down the firm’s strategy in a shifting market. Eli shares how Fortress spotted the San Francisco multifamily turnaround while the "doom loop" narrative was still in full swing. We also get into the "silver tsunami" in senior housing, why student housing is now a game of picking idiosyncratic winners, and how they are leveraging Delaware Statutory Trusts (DSTs) to provide tax-efficient solutions for retail investors. Whether you’re interested in distressed debt, Core Plus yields, or the future of the Sun Belt, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into the conviction, timing, and risk discipline that helped Eli and his team at Fortress identify growth opportunities where others only saw risk. Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 04:14 – Transitioning from Banking to the Buy-Side at Fortress 10:21 – Contrarian Plays: Why Fortress Went Heavy on San Francisco Multifamily 15:31 – The Sun Belt Outlook and the Looming "Supply Cliff" 18:52 – Why Equity and JV Partnerships Trump Preferred Equity Today 22:56 – Student Housing: Picking Winners in a Shrinking Demographic Pie 25:56 – The Silver Tsunami: Why Senior Housing Fundamentals are "Inelastic" 30:51 – Tax-Efficient Strategies and the Launch of the Fortress DST Platform 40:21 – GFC vs. Today: Navigating a "Real Estate Recession" Without an Economic One 45:54 – Market Outlook: Why 2026 is the Year for Real Estate Fundamental Bottoming For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 1: How did two lawyers turn a handful of Arizona fourplexes into a vertically integrated real estate powerhouse with over 20,000 units renovated? Today, we sit down with John Griggs, Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Presidium, to break down the strategy behind that rise. John shares how he spotted his first opportunity in the "golden age" of the Arizona housing market before shifting his conviction to Texas just as the landscape was beginning to transform. We dive into how Presidium scaled its early portfolio to 5,000 units, the hard lessons learned from internalizing management during the GFC, and the strategic move of acquiring a special servicing company to master the mechanics of distressed debt. Whether you’re interested in ground-up development, creative capital stacks involving HUD debt, or where multifamily opportunity sits in today’s cycle, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we explore the risk discipline and long-term vision that helped Presidium evolve from a grassroots startup into a dominant institutional investment platform. Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction and Presidium's Background 01:32 – From Silicon Valley Law to the 2003 Arizona "Golden Age" 08:03 – Moving to Texas and Raising Capital for Scale 10:11 – Navigating the GFC and Internalizing Management 14:58 – The Institutionalization of Multifamily Real Estate 19:27 – Strategic Acquisition: Buying a Special Servicer 24:56 – Launching a Development Platform and Spotting Market Peaks 31:18 – Today's Creative Financing: HUD Debt and Housing Authorities 36:38 – Targeting Distress and Partnering with Lenders 42:15 – Delo Capital and the Outlook for Sun Belt Migration For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 6: How did a former real estate analyst turn the pain of building pitch decks into one of CRE's fastest-growing AI companies? Today, we sit down with Sammy Greenwall, co-founder and CEO of Henry AI, to discuss how artificial intelligence is transforming commercial real estate workflows. Sammy shares his journey from college basketball to helping scale Lev into a $100M venture-backed company before leaving to build Henry AI. The conversation covers the inefficiencies of traditional brokerage workflows, why Henry focuses on delivering outcomes instead of software, and how AI is automating offering memorandums, BOVs, and other time-intensive tasks. Sammy also explains why local brokerage data may be more valuable than national databases, how "humans in the loop" remain critical to adoption, and where he sees the future of AI in commercial real estate. Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:39 – The Genesis of Henry AI and Early Conversations 03:00 – Sammy’s Background: From the Bay Area to Toll Brothers 03:53 – The Pain Point: Spending 70% of the Day in PowerPoint 07:41 – The Lev Story: Starting a Company with a Rabbi in a Chabad House 11:00 – Scaling to a $100M Series B and "Relentless Grit" 13:10 – Leaving Lev to Build a Generational AI Company 15:18 – Why Brokerage Costs Are Under Fire 18:00 – Why Henry Charges 3x More 19:50 – Why the Professional Touch in AI Still Matters 21:56 – Identifying the Single Pain Point 24:08 – The Future of Interactive, Digital Offering Memorandums 27:19 – The Data War 32:58 – Labeling the "Walled Garden" of Commercial Real Estate Data 35:30 – Where the Name "Henry" Actually Came From 38:14 – CEO Productivity For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 5: How did RREAF Holdings grow into a $4.8B real estate platform across multifamily, hospitality, BTR, and master-planned communities? Today, we sit down with Kip Sowden, Chairman & CEO of RREAF Holdings, and Doug McKnight, President of RREAF Holdings, to break down the strategy behind the firm’s growth across the Sun Belt. Kip shares how he moved from brokerage into principal investing after the GFC, while Doug explains how his fixed income background shaped RREAF’s approach to capital, risk, and liquidity. The conversation covers distressed acquisitions after 2008, bridge lender opportunities today, and why RREAF focuses on “all things residential” across the South and Southeast. Kip and Doug also break down their approach to multifamily, extended stay hotels, beachfront resorts, and large-scale Texas developments, while sharing why they believe a new real estate cycle is beginning. Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:45 – Kip Sowden’s Early Career in Brokerage and Mortgage Banking 09:28 – Moving Into Principal Investing and Launching RREAF 17:03 – Buying Distressed Notes and REO After the GFC 24:17 – Structuring $500M+ Multifamily Portfolio Deals 30:29 – Master-Planned Communities, BTR, and Texas Growth 36:39 – Why RREAF Is Bullish on Extended Stay Hotels 42:26 – Why RREAF Focuses on the South and Southeast 47:45 – Institutional Capital Returning to CRE 54:30 – Where RREAF Sees Opportunity in the Next Cycle For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 4: How does a firm managing $17 billion navigate global real estate through high interest rates and a "hope-driven" market? Today, we sit down with Tim Mooney, partner and global head of real estate and Jim Dunbar, partner and head of real estate lending at Värde Partners. They break down how Värde operates across the capital stack, from senior lending and structured credit to niche equity platforms in student housing and medical offices. Tim and Jim share how their "distress roots" from the GFC shaped their current strategy of building sector-specific operating platforms like Trimont. They explain why today’s cycle is a "slow trickle" compared to 2008, the reality of the upcoming maturity wall, and how they are synthetically creating mezzanine returns. Whether you’re curious about AI’s impact on real estate demand or looking for insights into international markets like India and Europe, this episode is a masterclass in institutional credit. Join us for an unfiltered look at the conviction and data-driven discipline required to manage a global alternative investment platform in today’s cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction to Värde Partners 05:58 – Tim Mooney and Jim Dunbar’s Backgrounds 10:05 – The Trimont Acquisition and Data Advantage 13:00 – Värde’s Current Strategy: Staying Senior in the Stack 15:51 – Case Study: Repurposing Distressed New York Assets 22:44 – Lessons from the GFC vs. Today’s "Hope-Driven" Market 30:50 – Middle Market Lending and Creating Synthetic Returns 34:26 – The Case for Medical Office and Student Housing Platforms 41:16 – AI Disruption and the Future of Productivity 45:15 – International Complexity: Lending in India and Europe For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 3: How did ACRE grow from a post-GFC workforce housing thesis into a global real estate investment firm? Today, we sit down with Michael Van Der Poel, Founding Partner at ACRE, to break down the strategy behind that rise. Michael shares how he spotted workforce housing before it became an institutional trade, and how ACRE built its early portfolio by buying distressed multifamily assets at deeply discounted prices. We also get into raising capital from Asia, building a vertically integrated platform, and expanding across both equity and credit strategies. Whether you’re interested in capital raising, private credit, or where real estate opportunity sits in today’s cycle, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into the conviction, timing, and risk discipline that helped ACRE grow from a scrappy startup into an institutional investment platform. Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:17 – Michael Van Der Poel’s Background and Early Real Estate Career 06:55 – ACRE’s Workforce Housing Thesis After the GFC 09:56 – Raising the First Fund and Buying Distressed Multifamily 15:00 – Building ACRE’s Credit Platform 21:13 – Why ACRE Plays Across Equity, Credit, and Development 23:21 – Pricing Equity Risk and Finding Returns in Today’s Market 38:50 – Rental Housing, AI Disruption, and the Future of Jobs 41:03 – Where ACRE Sees Opportunity Right Now 46:19 – Multifamily Outlook and the Next Buying Window For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 2: How did Equinox evolve from a single gym in New York to a global luxury lifestyle and hotel brand? Today, we sit down with Jeff Weinhaus, Co-President and Chief Development Officer at Equinox, to break down the incredible real estate strategy behind the fitness empire. Jeff shares the inside story of how a stubborn lease negotiation won over billionaire Stephen Ross, why Equinox builds gyms inside historic bank vaults and sugar factories, and the exact "70/30 Rule" they use to decide which cities get a location next. We also dive into the future of wellness, the shift from cardio to heavy strength training, and what it takes to double a luxury portfolio without losing the brand's soul. Whether you’re curious about the brand's pivot toward longevity and mental health or how they plan to double their portfolio without losing their edge, this episode is a must-listen for anyone in capital markets or real estate development. Join us as we dive deep into the disciplined growth and creative vision that transformed a local family business into a global luxury platform. Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out. TOPICS 0:00 - Intro & Jeff Weinhaus’s Background 6:07 - The Columbus Circle Deal & Winning Over Stephen Ross 10:06 - Expanding Beyond NYC & The First LA Location 13:07 - Navigating the Pandemic & Automating the Gym 15:33 - The Blue-Collar Origin Story of a Luxury Brand 18:54 - Building Gyms in Bank Vaults & Sugar Factories 21:37 - The 70/30 Rule of Real Estate & Location Scouting 31:19 - Equinox Hotels & The Science of Perfect Sleep 39:13 - The Art of the Deal: Negotiating with Landlords 43:08 - Sunbelt Migration & Targeting Second-Tier Cities 48:08 - Why Gen Z is Spending Their Money on Equinox 54:05 - New Fitness Trends: Cold Plunges & Padel 1:00:13 - International Expansion: London & The Middle East 1:04:37 - The Future: How Equinox Plans to Double in Size For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 1: Season 7 of the No Cap Podcast kicks off with a masterclass in global real estate investment and management. Jack and Alex sit down with Richard Litton, President of Harbor Group International, to explore how the firm scaled from a $1 billion management-focused company to a $21 billion powerhouse. Richard breaks down the creative evolution of Harbor’s strategy, detailing how they pivoted from secondary office markets to becoming the world's most active Freddie Mac buyers. From navigating the current wave of CRE debt maturities to exploring opportunistic plays in markets like Detroit and Cleveland, learn how these experts deploy capital at scale in a reset market. Whether you're looking at workforce housing or the resilience of Manhattan office credit, this episode is a must-listen for understanding today’s complex financing environment. Join us as we dive into the power of vertical integration and strategic risk-reward underwriting in the new era of real estate. Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:54 – From Corporate Law to Building a $21B Powerhouse 07:15 – Exiting Secondary Office Markets Before the GFC 10:55 – Launching the Credit Platform and Partnering with Freddie Mac 14:15 – Assessing Risk in a Saturated Private Credit Market 18:27 – Workforce Housing vs. Class A: Finding Value in Market Resets 23:14 – Navigating Sunbelt Supply and the Realities of Negative Leverage 28:37 – Manhattan Resilience and D.C. Credit Plays 34:58 – Betting on Detroit, Cleveland, and Norfolk 40:59 – Sourcing Deals in a Reset Environment For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 6, Episode 5: The No Cap Podcast continues with hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik diving into the high-stakes world of proptech with Brendan Wallace, co-founder and CEO of Fifth Wall. Managing billions for the world’s largest real estate owners, Wallace explains his transition from a New York real estate family to bridging the gap between massive physical assets and cutting-edge technology. The conversation breaks down why real estate has historically been a "luddite" industry and how Fifth Wall’s unique strategy, using major industry players as LPs, turned a "bug into a feature" for tech adoption. From backing unicorns like Procore and Open Door to the strategic acquisition of Industrious by CBRE, Wallace shares the inside track on what actually drives returns in the built environment. Wallace predicts a total revolution where venture firms don’t just build tools, they become the industry players themselves. If you want to know where real estate and AI are colliding, this is the episode to watch. Shoutout to our sponsor, Appfolio. The growth engine transforming how firms handle investor relations and distributions. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro to Brendan Wallace and Fifth Wall 01:28 – Career Origins: From Times Square to Goldman & Blackstone 09:12 – First Successes: Workday Acquisition and Founding Cabify 12:35 – Founding Fifth Wall: Filling the Proptech Gap 17:00 – Why Real Estate is a Historically "Luddite" Industry 19:27 – Winning Bets: Consumer Fintech, Procore, and Unicorns 24:43 – Industrious vs. WeWork: The Durable "Flag" Model 28:44 – The Future of Multifamily: Aspirational Brands like Sakra 33:54 – AI Revolution: Shifting to a "DIY" Internal Tech Model 42:58 – The Big Pivot: Why a Lack of Legacy Tech is now a Feature 50:15 – VC Evolution: Moving from Building Tools to the Industry Itself For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 6, Episode 4: Season 6 of the No Cap Podcast continues with a deep dive into one of the most misunderstood sectors in commercial real estate. Jack and Alex sit down with Brian Finnegan, CEO of Brixmor Property Group, to unpack how grocery-anchored retail quietly became one of the most resilient asset classes in the market. From tenant mix and small shop economics to redevelopment-driven growth, Brian breaks down what actually drives performance in today’s retail environment. He also explains how Brixmor has scaled its portfolio of open-air centers by focusing on necessity-based demand and adapting to shifting consumer behavior. They also get into the reality behind e-commerce, why new retail supply has nearly disappeared, and how omnichannel strategies are reshaping leasing, operations, and long-term value creation across the sector. Shoutout to our sponsor, Appfolio. The growth engine transforming how firms handle investor relations and distributions. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction to Brian Finnegan and Brixmor Property Group 02:30 – Career Origins: From Litigation Support to Sales Skills 09:09 – Massive Growth and Strategic Shifts (2004–2006) 14:13 – Partnership with Anchor Tenants and Redevelopment Strategies 15:35 – The Economics of Small Shops vs. Anchor Tenants 17:13 – The "Genetics" and Formula of a Modern Retail Center 18:48 – Health, Wellness, and Fitness Trends in Retail 19:07 – The Growth of "Medtail" and Service-Based Tenants 42:51 – The Future of Shopping Centers and Community Impact 49:00 – Leadership, Culture, and Opening New Markets For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 6, Episode 3: Season 6 of the No Cap Podcast continues with a masterclass in structured credit and securitized assets. Jack and Alex sit down with Chris Hentemann, the founder and CIO of 400 Capital Management, to explore how his firm navigates complex credit markets. Chris breaks down his firm's flexible approach to both performing and non-performing credit opportunities across residential and commercial mortgage credit. From the mechanics of risk retention and "B pieces" to innovative builder finance structures, learn how 400 Capital identifies asymmetry in global markets. Chris explains how they’ve bridged the gap between bank balance sheets and private capital by creating partnerships that accommodate modern regulatory standards. Shoutout to our sponsor, Appfolio. The growth engine transforming how firms handle investor relations and distributions. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 00:43 – Chris Hentemann’s Career: From First Boston to the 2008 Crisis 06:37 – The Founding of 400 Capital and Early Investment Thesis 11:52 – Housing Finance, CRT Markets, and the Role of Private Capital 16:41 – Masterclass on Risk Retention: B Pieces and Asset Quality Control 22:13 – The Evolution of Banks: From Warehouse Lenders to Risk Partners 33:30 – Modern Underwriting: AI Integration and Investment Yield Math 43:37 – Strategy Spotlight: Builder Finance and Lot Financing Structures 48:33 – Global Expansion: European SRT Markets and Regulatory Capital Deals 56:56 – Macro Outlook: Rate Cycles, Inflation, and the Power of Volatility For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 6, Episode 2: This week on the No Cap Podcast, we're sitting down with Ross Cooper — President & CIO of Kimco Realty (NYSE: KIM) — to talk about one of the most resilient asset classes in commercial real estate: grocery-anchored open-air retail. Ross is a third-generation real estate operator whose grandfather Milton Cooper co-founded Kimco back in 1958. After 20 years rising through the investment side of the platform, Ross now leads one of the largest publicly traded REITs in North America. This conversation covers all of it — the origin story, the GFC, the "retail apocalypse" narrative, and how Kimco has quietly built one of the most durable portfolios in the business. We get into how Kimco underwrites acquisitions (location + basis, always), why grocery anchors drive daily and weekly foot traffic that no other asset class can replicate, and how the four segments of the grocery market — traditional, discount, organic, and ethnic — each attract a distinct co-tenancy ecosystem.   Ross also breaks down Kimco's approach to redevelopment and densification, including 13,000+ multifamily units either built, under construction, or fully entitled across their portfolio, and why turning a sea of surface parking into a 25-story mixed-use tower can be additive — not disruptive — to the retail below. We also cover Kimco's structured investment program in preferred equity and mezz financing, how they think about balance sheet discipline (including a decade-long push to earn an A-minus credit rating from all three agencies), and why new ground-up retail construction would require 50–60% rent increases in most markets just to pencil — a supply constraint that's quietly been one of the biggest tailwinds for existing center owners. If you want to understand how a REIT that's been in the business since Eisenhower still finds mispriced assets, turns over capital intelligently, and thinks about what comes next — this episode is it. Shoutout to our sponsor, Appfolio. The growth engine transforming how firms handle investor relations and distributions. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:13 – Kimco’s First Deal and Early Mistakes 10:31 – Curating Tenant Mix Around the Customer 15:08 – Omnichannel Retail and Store Importance 19:44 – Capital Strategy and Debt Approach 25:00 – Portfolio Strategy and Market Positioning 30:00 – Leasing Strategy and Tenant Demand 35:00 – Redevelopment and Value Creation 40:00 – Retail Resilience and Market Outlook 45:43 – Development, Densification, and Closing Thoughts For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 6, Episode 1: Season 6 of the No Cap Podcast kicks off with a masterclass in Opportunity Zone (OZ) equity. Jack and Alex sit down with Jordan Brustein & Andrew Rudy from Ackman-Ziff to explore how they’ve carved out a unique niche in structured finance. Jordan and Andrew break down the creative evolution of the OZ market, detailing innovative preferred equity structures that solve the 10-year hold challenge for developers. From ground-up developments to post-CO recapitalizations, learn how these capital market experts are resetting the clock on distressed assets and preparing for the next era of "OZ 2.0." Whether you're a developer or an investor, this episode is a must-listen for navigating today's complex financing environment. Shoutout to our sponsor, Appfolio. The growth engine transforming how firms handle investor relations and distributions. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:54 – Ackman-Ziff's History and Focus on Structured Finance 03:21 – Carving a Niche in the Opportunity Zone Space 04:35 – Structuring Preferred Equity for a 10-Year Hold 08:55 – Financing Ground-Up Development with OZ Pref 14:52 – The Math: 10-Year Outlook and Positive Leverage 18:05 – Opportunity Zone Fundamentals and Tax Benefits 21:28 – Strategic Recaps: Injecting New OZ Equity Post-CO 25:13 – Navigating Qualified Opportunity Zone Compliance 30:10 – OZ 2.0: Future Outlook and Global Gain Trends 37:21 – Case Study: $200M Recapitalization in Washington D.C. 48:41 – The Cycle of Common Equity vs. Private Credit For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 10: On this episode of the No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Michael Cohen, Principal at Williams Equities and a key figure in the Flatiron NoMad Partnership. Drawing on his family’s nearly 100-year history in Manhattan real estate and his leadership within the brokerage world at Colliers, Michael shares how New York’s real estate ecosystem has evolved from family-run ownership models to today’s era of institutional capital and global brokerage consolidation. Michael also breaks down the strategic thinking behind some of Manhattan’s most recognizable assets and neighborhoods—from the transformation of NoMad and the role of Business Improvement Districts to the redevelopment of the iconic Flatiron Building. The conversation explores how policy shifts like the City of Yes initiative, along with advances in technology, finance, and AI, could shape the next chapter of New York office and urban development. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:55 – The Many Michael Cohens & Williams Equities History 07:05 – Globalization and the Consolidation of Brokerage 11:51 – Public Models vs. Partnership Structures in CRE 19:01 – New York's Current Market State: A Virtuous Cycle 26:38 – The Rise of NoMad and Business Improvement Districts (BIDs) 37:21 – The Future of the Iconic Flatiron Building 40:31 – Portfolio Strategy: 1031 Exchanges and Value-Add Upside 55:01 – Institutional Capital and IRR vs. ROI Investing For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 9: On this episode of the No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Brandon Colombo and Rodes Boyd, co-founders of Bracket and sponsors of this season of the podcast. Drawing on their experience in brokerage and marketplace platforms like Ten-X, they break down why traditional CRE transactions remain slow, opaque, and inefficient—and how new digital platforms aim to fix that. Brandon and Rodes explain how Bracket is building a marketplace designed to streamline the entire deal process, from pricing strategy and broker opinions of value to buyer discovery and execution. The conversation explores how technology, better data transparency, and AI-driven underwriting could expand buyer pools, speed up transactions, and change how properties trade across the commercial real estate market. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:48 – Solving CRE Info Gaps and Transaction Pain 03:48 – Lessons from 10X and Auction Gaps 07:13 – Bringing Institutional Process to Mid-Markets 13:16 – From Manual Brokerage to Tech Platform 21:49 – Pricing Strategy: AI and "Buying the Listing" 28:38 – Selling Transparency Over Price 38:53 – Client Consulting: Data-Driven Trust Building For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 8: On this episode of the No Cap Podcast, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Chris Salerno, founder of QC Capital, to break down how he underwrites across multiple real estate verticals and why car washes have quietly become one of the most interesting operating-heavy “real estate plus business” hybrids in the market. Chris explains what actually drives performance in the car wash business, from site selection and membership economics to cost pressures like water and chemicals, and why QC focuses on a more efficient model with shorter tunnels and lower all-in development costs. The conversation also dives into small bay industrial in the Southeast, why the space is heating up, and how Chris thinks about risk as multifamily rent growth slows and the easy era of cap-rate compression fades. A practical, operator-driven look at where real estate returns are really coming from today. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro And Why QC Invests Across Verticals 04:36 – Chris’ Background And How QC Capital Started 08:22 – First Deals: Brokers, Capital, And Getting A Loan Without A Track Record 12:47 – Why QC Moved Beyond Multifamily 13:56 – Why Car Washes: Cash Flow, Tax Benefits, And Vertical Integration 16:44 – Why Multifamily Could Stay Tough Over The Next Cycle 19:15 – The Liquidity Fund: Short-Term Real Estate-Backed Yield 21:38 – Car Wash Fundamentals: Tunnel Design, Equipment, And Build Costs 27:30 – Operations Reality: Water, Chemicals, Staffing, And Automation 34:53 – Small Bay Industrial: Demand, Rents, And Why It’s Heating Up For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 7: Season 5 keeps going with a look at where capital is really moving as the market works through its next phase. Jack and Alex are joined by Matt Brody, Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Capital Formation at Canyon Partners, one of the most active firms in real estate credit and special situations. They get into how Matt’s experience during the GFC shaped his approach to capital raising, how Canyon thinks about structured credit and recapitalizations, and why today’s opportunity set looks more like quiet, intermediated stress than headline distress. The conversation also covers what LPs are prioritizing right now, why credit is back in focus, and what the wall of maturities could mean for the next stretch of the cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro And Canyon’s Role In Real Estate Credit 02:50 – Matt’s Path Into Real Estate And The GFC Years 06:00 – From Walton Street To Angelo Gordon To Canyon 09:40 – How Canyon Thinks About Credit Vs Equity 14:10 – What LPs Are Looking For Right Now 18:20 – The Wall Of Maturities And Private Credit Demand 23:40 – Macro Vs Micro Data And Reading The Market 28:10 – Multifamily, Housing, And Quiet Distress 33:20 – Structuring Capital Solutions In Today’s Market 39:20 – 2026 Outlook, Refis, Recaps, And What Comes Next For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 6: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex are joined by Alex Samoylovich, co-founder of CEDARst Companies, a developer known for leaning into projects most operators avoid. Alex walks through how CEDARst was built by focusing on adaptive reuse, historic redevelopment, and complex deals that require creativity across both capital and execution. The conversation digs into why complexity became the strategy, how overlooked buildings turned into scalable opportunities, and what actually breaks deals when markets tighten. A grounded look at development from someone who’s spent years solving hard problems, not chasing easy ones. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro and Setting the Stage 05:20 – Alex’s Nontraditional Path Into Development 09:40 – Early Deals and Learning Through Adaptive Reuse 15:30 – Why Complexity Became the Strategy 21:10 – Capital Stacks, Risk, and Creative Structuring 27:40 – Scaling From Local Projects to a National Platform 33:50 – Markets, Mistakes, and Hard Lessons 40:20 – Where Adaptive Reuse Still Works 46:30 – What Development Looks Like From Here For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 5: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Bill Sexton, CEO of Trimont, the largest independent commercial real estate loan servicer in the US. With Trimont now touching roughly 11% of all CRE debt nationwide, Bill offers a rare look into the mechanics behind servicing, workouts, and credit decision-making at scale. Bill walks through how servicing actually works, why distress is emerging unevenly across multifamily, office, and lodging, and what the data is signaling beneath the headlines. The conversation also digs into extensions, refinancing risk, and how lenders are navigating the back half of this cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 01:00 – Bill’s Background and Entry Into Credit 06:30 – What Loan Servicers Actually Do 10:00 – Private vs. Public Credit Servicing 18:55 – Multifamily Stress Signals 26:40 – Office Risk and Capital Costs 31:40 – Lodging and Other Trouble Spots 38:45 – Extensions, Refinancing, and the Data 41:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 46:50 – Culture, Scale, and Building Trimont For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 4: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex are joined by Alex Killick, Senior Managing Director at CW Capital, one of the largest special servicers in the US. Alex pulls back the curtain on how CMBS special servicing actually works, who controls key decisions once loans move into workouts, and why today’s distress looks very different from past downturns. The conversation covers pressure points across multifamily and office, the rise of tenant fraud and insurance costs, and why many resolutions are happening quietly rather than through forced sales. A rare, ground-level view of how distress moves through the real estate system. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 01:00 – Alex’s Path to CW Capital and the GFC 06:29 – How Special Servicing and CMBS Work 08:35 – B-Piece Control and Servicer Power 14:20 – Why This Cycle Is Different 16:15 – Multifamily Stress in the Sun Belt 21:10 – Tenant Fraud, Insurance, and NOI 24:50 – Workout Decisions vs. Asset Takebacks 26:40 – Office Distress and Capital Costs 38:45 – Private Credit and Quiet Extensions 42:35 – The Metrics CW Capital Tracks For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 3: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Edward Pitoniak, CEO of VICI Properties, the REIT born out of Caesars’ bankruptcy that went on to become the dominant owner of experiential real estate in the world. Edward breaks down how VICI reshaped net lease at institutional scale, why gaming real estate proved more resilient than expected, and how skepticism turned into conviction over time. The conversation spans VICI’s evolution from Caesars to the Venetian, as well as its expansion into assets like Chelsea Piers and Great Wolf Lodge. A clear look at owning mission-critical real estate despite shifting narratives. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – VICI’s Origin Story 03:10 – Ed’s Path to the CEO Seat 11:06 – Caesars Bankruptcy and the VICI Spin 21:09 – Wall Street Skepticism Around Gaming 25:29 – Cap Rates, Net Lease, and Scale 31:00 – The Venetian Deal with Apollo 37:58 – Cycles, Pricing, and Operator Power 43:26 – Experiential Assets Beyond Vegas 48:26 – College Sports and New Sale-Leaseback Models 51:10 – Mission-Critical Real Estate For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 2: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with David Auerbach, CIO at Hoya Capital and a leading REIT strategist known for his deep read on public real estate markets. David explains the current state of REITs, where valuations stand, which sectors are positioned for recovery, and how capital is behaving differently across public vs. private markets. He highlights key themes shaping 2025–26, including liquidity pressures, balance sheet strength, and the growing gap between winners and laggards. David also shares what investors often overlook and how to read the signals that matter. A must-listen for anyone watching the REIT landscape closely. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:02 – Data Centers, Cell Towers, and Misunderstood REIT Sectors 05:02 – Media Narratives vs. Real REIT Fundamentals 07:03 – Why REITs Stay Cheap: Sentiment, Rates, and Risk Appetite 11:28 – The REIT Dividend Machine and Long-Term Compounding 17:01 – SL Green Case Study and Smart-Money Office Signals 22:40 – Sector Deep Dive: VICI, Vegas, Retail, and Data Centers 25:21 – NAV Discounts, M&A Activity, and REIT Consolidation 33:26 – Housing Crisis, SFR Growth, and Multifamily Cap Rates 43:18 – Mortgage REITs, Preferreds, and Signs of Market Turnaround For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 1: We’re officially launching Season 5 of the No Cap Podcast...and we’re starting strong. This week, Jack and Alex sit down with Colin Apple, Co-Chief Investment Officer for Bridge Investment Group’s multifamily platform, one of the largest apartment owners in the country. Bridge was recently acquired by Apollo Global Management, giving the platform expanded access to institutional capital while continuing to operate as a standalone real estate business within Apollo. Colin breaks down how Bridge evaluates dislocation, why capital is behaving the way it is, where they’re still finding opportunity, and what separates durable operators from those getting washed out. If you want a clear read on how one of the most active institutional investors is navigating this cycle, this episode delivers. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:40 – Colin’s Path Into Real Estate and Joining Bridge 04:18 – Building Bridge’s Platform Across Strategies 08:20 – Growth Drivers: Class B/C, Supply, and Rents 10:40 – Coastal vs. Sun Belt and What “Back” Really Means 14:34 – Sun Belt Check: Cap Rates, Supply, and Patience 18:40 – Underwriting With Higher Expenses 21:00 – Navigating the Cycle and Protecting Downside 26:40 – Cap Rates, Return Hurdles, and 2026–27 Outlook 31:30 – Advice for Young Investors and Finding Opportunity For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 12: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Jon Schultz, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Onyx Equities, one of the Northeast’s most active private real estate firms. Schultz—known for turning around complex office, industrial, and retail assets—shares how Onyx repositions properties, adapts across cycles, and captures value in a rapidly evolving market. From life sciences and medical office to AI-driven data centers, he breaks down the trends reshaping the tri-state region, the lessons learned from decades of leadership, and why success now depends on being “customer-obsessed. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – Early Career and Founding Onyx Equities 06:15 – Navigating Market Cycles and Value Creation 09:30 – Office Market Shifts and Tenant Demand 12:45 – Life Sciences and Medical Office Expansion 17:40 – Inside the Data Center Gold Rush 22:15 – Rates, Debt, and Opportunities Ahead 27:48 – Tri-State vs. Sun Belt Market Dynamics 34:05 – Leadership, Adaptability, and Lessons Learned 42:30 – Building a Brand Tenants Trust Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 11: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Yaakov Zar, Founder & CEO of Lev, to unpack how a former tech entrepreneur is changing the way commercial real estate deals get done. Before launching Lev, Yaakov built and sold his first company, Dispatch, to Vista Equity Partners. Today, he’s at the center of CRE’s tech transformation—blending capital markets expertise with AI and automation to simplify how investors and developers secure financing. He shares the story behind Lev’s pivot from brokerage to software, what’s next for AI in real estate, and how data and design will define the next generation of real estate technology. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:00 – Startup Roots and Dispatch Exit 08:44 – How Mortgage Frustration Became Lev’s Origin 14:25 – Digitizing the Financing Experience 19:45 – AI and the Future of CRE Software 25:02 – How Lev Memo Is Changing Deal Execution 31:10 – Agentic AI and Workflow Automation 36:47 – Harnessing Data and Unstructured Information 41:00 – Brokers, Efficiency and Industry Adoption 45:18 – Building Great Software and Leading Through Change Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 10: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Winston Fisher, Partner at Fisher Brothers, one of New York’s most iconic private real estate firms with over 100 years of ownership, development, and management across the city skyline. Winston shares how he’s helping steer the fourth-generation firm into its next era. bridging tradition with technology and culture through projects like AREA15, the immersive entertainment destination in Las Vegas. He discusses innovation inside a legacy business, what it takes to keep a century-old brand relevant, and why experience is becoming real estate’s most valuable asset. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:18 – Growing Up in a Real Estate Legacy 06:47 – Lessons From Family Leadership 11:34 – Reinventing Fisher Brothers for the Future 15:29 – The Story Behind AREA15 21:02 – Real Estate Meets Experience and Culture 26:48 – Why Creativity Drives Modern Development 33:17 – Balancing Risk, Tradition, and Innovation 39:10 – The Future of New York’s Urban Core 45:26 – Leadership, Legacy, and Next-Gen Vision Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 9: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Seth Weissman, Founder and Managing Partner of Urban Standard Capital, to unpack how a former Goldman Sachs and Perry Capital investor built one of New York’s leading private-credit and development platforms. Weissman shares how his equity background shaped Urban Standard’s design-driven, relationship-first approach to lending—and why committed, discretionary capital wins in the middle market. He also reflects on his early West Chelsea bets, the transition from developer to lender, and how disciplined underwriting and creative structuring define USC’s edge today. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:04 – From Goldman Sachs to Perry Capital 07:44 – First Deals and the West Chelsea Strategy 13:32 – Raising Capital and Building Investor Confidence 18:03 – Why Committed Capital Changes the Game 21:59 – Inside the Middle-Market Lending Opportunity 27:23 – Private Credit’s Rise and USC’s Playbook 32:05 – Efficiency and Equity DNA in Underwriting 35:11 – Market Volatility and the Case for Credit 43:34 – Equity Returns with Credit Risk Protection 47:32 – Culture, Partnerships, and Bean the Office Dog Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 8: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Alicia Glen, Founder of M Squared, former Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development in NYC, and Co-Chair of the Gateway Development Commission, to unpack what it really takes to get housing and infrastructure built in America. Glen brings a rare insider view on how public and private sectors collide, the realities of financing affordable housing, and the lessons she learned managing the country’s most complex urban markets. She also shares how M Squared is reimagining capital to drive social impact while staying commercially disciplined, and what cities must do now to stay livable and competitive. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – From Goldman Sachs to City Hall 06:28 – Inside NYC’s Housing Agenda and Early Lessons 10:15 – Building M Squared and Its Mission 14:47 – Politics and Production of Affordable Housing 18:59 – When Public and Private Sectors Collide 23:40 – The Gateway Project and Federal Funding Realities 28:22 – Market Constraints, Zoning Reform and Affordability 33:31 – Structuring Capital for Impact and Scale 38:26 – Lessons From City Hall and Cross-Sector Leadership 47:51 – The Next Chapter for Cities and Urban Development Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 7: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Sharon Wilson Géno, President of the National Multifamily Housing Council (NMHC), the leading voice for America’s apartment industry in Washington. She explains how NMHC is tackling today’s biggest issues—affordability, regulation, and capital—while separating signal from noise on rent control, tax policy, and the GSE debate. Expect practical policy ideas cities are using now (single-stair, fast-track permitting, Florida’s “Live Local”), why Section 8 modernization matters, and what’s really driving insurance and operating costs. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:12 – Career arc and why housing policy became the mission 06:03 – What NMHC does and who it represents 08:14 – NMHC–NAA partnership and three-level advocacy (federal/state/local) 11:01 – Public perception, renters, and reframing the “American Dream” 21:04 – Tax policy: carried interest context and a doubled LIHTC 26:26 – Rent control myths and the Housing Solutions Coalition playbook 33:06 – Real solutions: zoning fixes, single-stair, permitting, Live Local 49:42 – GSE privatization chatter: constraints and market timing 55:56 – Insurance, taxes, labor and the tech/industrialized construction edge Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 6: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Cliff Booth, founder and chairman of Westmount Realty Capital, for a straight-talking look at four decades of success in industrial real estate. Cliff shares how he built one of the most resilient portfolios in the game and what it really takes to stay ahead when the market turns volatile. He reveals the lessons learned from navigating market cycles, rising interest rates, and fierce capital competition, all while avoiding the hype around single-tenant Amazon assets. Expect insider insights on cold storage, flexible industrial, and how relationships still matter in a crowded landscape. TOPICS 0:00 Introduction 4:15 From antiques in Montreal to Dallas industrial real estate 9:45 Building Westmount before e-commerce 15:30 Avoiding Amazon single-tenant hype 22:10 Market cycles and rising rates 28:55 Cold storage and infill industrial 33:40 Capital flood and competition 38:15 Relationships and integrity in deals 43:00 Industrial market outlook and leadership Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

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Season 4, Episode 5: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Miller, CEO and Co-Founder of Fundrise, to reveal how technology is transforming commercial real estate investing and changing how retail investors access private markets. Ben shares the story behind Fundrise’s rise to over $7 billion in real estate assets, why commercial real estate investing is all about macro trends now, and what drives the build-to-rent housing wave. He breaks down the latest on private credit, multifamily, and AI in real estate investment management. Plus, find out how Fundrise’s digital platform is making real estate crowdfunding accessible to millions. TOPICS 00:00 Meet Ben Miller 04:45 How Fundrise democratized real estate investing 12:30 Macro trends driving commercial real estate returns 19:55 Build-to-rent strategies and platform innovation 26:40 Private credit and multifamily market shifts 34:10 Securitization and institutional investor trends 41:45 AI’s impact on CRE investment and management 49:10 Fundrise’s outlook for private markets in 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 4: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Brian Pieracci, Head of North American Private Real Estate Equity at Heitman, to examine why alternatives are reshaping commercial real estate portfolios and outperforming traditional core assets. Brian shares how Heitman pioneered allocations towards self-storage, medical offices, senior housing, and single-family rentals. He breaks down what drives demand in these sectors, the challenge facing office real estate, and how institutional investors are changing their strategies in response. Brian also explains Heitman’s global approach to alternative assets and the importance of diversification in today’s market. TOPICS 00:00 Meet Brian Pieracci 05:15 Early bets on alternatives 13:00 Office real estate vs alternatives 21:40 Self-storage and senior housing 29:30 Strategies for global expansion into alternative sectors 37:00 Balancing core, value-add, and alternative assets 44:30 What institutional investors demand from alternative investments 52:10 The future of CRE beyond the office Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 3: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Kevin Heras, CEO of InvestNext, to explore how a Detroit-built platform is reshaping how real estate firms raise and manage capital. Kevin shares his path from Spain to Michigan Tech to the early Handshake days, then explains the first InvestNext prototype and why standardizing subscriptions, funding, and reporting matters for both GPs and LPs. He breaks down sponsor best practices, the case for partnerships over vertical integration, and where proptech is heading as data and building connectivity unlock better decisions. He also previews what’s next at InvestNext and how potential accreditation changes could expand access to private real estate. TOPICS 0:09 – From Spain to Detroit and Early Influences 3:06 – Handshake Lessons and Startup Bug 5:57 – Corporate Consulting to Entrepreneurship 9:21 – What InvestNext Is and Who It Serves 11:02 – Standardizing Subscriptions, Funding, Reporting 12:01 – One Portal for LPs Across Sponsors 17:32 – What Makes a Good Sponsor vs a Bad Sponsor 21:02 – Partnerships Over Vertical Integration 29:37 – Proptech Outlook and Market Discipline 35:24 – What’s Next for InvestNext and Access to Capital Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 2: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Rick Schaupp, Managing Director at Clarion Partners, for an inside look at one of the country’s largest private real estate investment managers. Rick traces his path from architecture and urban design to managing Clarion’s $70B platform, shares what it was like to start his career during the tech bust and 9/11, and explains why Clarion is expanding into semi-liquid funds for retail investors. He also breaks down today’s biggest investment themes—from multifamily and warehousing to senior housing and industrial outdoor storage—and reflects on where we are in the real estate cycle. TOPICS 00:09 – Rick’s Architecture Roots and Move to Clarion 02:00 – Asset Management During the Tech Bust and 9/11 06:10 – Shifting From Institutional to Private Wealth 07:20 – Semi-Liquid Fund Structure and Daily NAV 12:01 – Investment Themes Across Housing, Industrial, Healthcare 15:30 – Office Reality vs. Winners and Losers 20:30 – Alternatives Like IOS, Self Storage, Senior Housing 25:51 – How Clarion Allocates Across Credit, Equity, Regions 31:14 – Capital Strategy and New Products 35:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 38:34 – Career Advice for Recent Grads Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 1: We’re back with a brand-new season of No Cap — and we’re starting big. Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Owen Thomas, CEO of BXP and the largest office landlord in the United States, to launch Season 4 in style. From a Virginia dairy farm to Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, and now leading the country’s largest office landlord, Owen shares the pivotal moments that shaped his career. He discusses succeeding Mort Zuckerman at BXP, the evolution of office demand, work-from-home and hybrid dynamics, BXP’s 343 Madison project, and how AI may reshape the future of office space. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:00 – From Virginia roots to Morgan Stanley Real Estate 04:33 – Leading in Asia and the 2008 financial crisis 06:15 – Lehman Brothers board and the largest bankruptcy in history 14:36 – Rise of REITs and capital markets 15:42 – Taking over as CEO of BXP and succeeding Mort Zuckerman 21:05 – Office demand, work-from-home, and hybrid dynamics 30:00 – Gateway markets, regional differences, and 343 Madison 41:00 – Development challenges and suburban vs. urban performance 47:32 – AI’s impact, leadership lessons, and the future of BXP Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 12: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Brown, Co-President of Brookfield’s Real Estate Group and Head of the Americas, to talk about the pivotal moments that shaped his career and the strategies behind some of Brookfield’s biggest deals. From breaking into Brookfield during the financial crisis to leading $10B+ acquisitions like GGP and Forest City, Ben shares the lessons learned, the risks taken, and the culture that keeps Brookfield ahead in a shifting real estate market. He also opens up about where he sees opportunity today, from retail and housing to data centers and hospitality. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:39 – Early career and first steps in real estate 07:58 – Joining Brookfield during the financial crisis 12:30 – Why 2018 became a record year of deals 15:05 – Inside the GGP acquisition and retail strategy 25:00 – How Brookfield structures capital 29:33 – Forest City and investing in urban cores 36:57 – Shifts in apartments, logistics, and strategy 42:28 – Where Ben sees opportunity now 49:00 – Hospitality plays in the US, India, and Europe 53:42 – Brookfield’s edge in capital markets 59:02 – Culture and teamwork at scale Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit: https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered “No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily), which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest-growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 11: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with MaryAnne Gilmartin, Founder and CEO of MAG Partners, to talk about the pivotal moments, high-stakes decisions, and unconventional moves that have defined her career and shaped New York City’s skyline. From her Brooklyn roots to steering some of Manhattan’s most high-profile projects, MaryAnne shares what it takes to lead in real estate’s most competitive market, how she approaches affordable housing, and where she still sees opportunity when others hesitate. TOPICS 00:09 – Introduction 00:42 – Brooklyn roots and early career steps 02:51 – Koch era New York and the public sector 04:59 – Why retail matters to a project’s success 10:21 – The West Side before Hudson Yards 12:18 – Bruce Ratner and the Forest City years 21:06 – Leading through high-stakes moments 29:49 – Mentors and management lessons 43:18 – Working with communities and affordable housing 47:21 – Closing and thank you Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit: https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered “No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily), which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest-growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 10: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik talk with Jon Siegel—Partner and CIO at RailField—about building through one of the toughest market cycles, what went wrong after early success, and why staying active matters more than ever. They also get into the private credit boom, the myth of distress deals, and where real opportunities still exist. TOPICS 00:09 – Opening and Jon’s Background 04:22 – Starting RailField with $50M of Institutional Capital 06:03 – Early Deals and Gaining Credibility 10:18 – The Rise of Preferred Equity and Private Credit 14:15 – Why Distress Hasn’t Hit and What Happens Next 20:00 – Market Timing, Cycles, and Staying in the Game 24:08 – Vintage Deals, Underwriting, and What Still Works 27:00 – Portfolio Strategy and Working with Institutional Capital 32:58 – Long-Term Bullishness on Multifamily 36:41 – Final Thoughts and Outlook for 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 9: Craig Deitelzweig is redefining office real estate—one scent, doorman, and house car at a time. In this episode, the CEO of Marx Realty shares how he's leading the hotelization of office buildings—and why most landlords are stuck in the past. From signature scents and concierge-level service to rooftop lounges and Porsche house cars, Craig explains how his team is turning tired Class B assets into high-demand, high-rent destinations. TOPICS 00:00 – Alec Baldwin and Barber Chair Banter 02:00 – From Lawyer to CEO: Craig’s Path to Marx Realty 07:15 – 10 Grand Central: Turning a Drag Into a Destination 14:00 – House Cars, Gelato, and Hospitality That Converts 19:00 – How Amenities Deliver ROI (and Surprise Revenue) 23:00 – Baccarat Branding and the “Club” Office Experience 28:00 – Midtown’s Strength vs Downtown’s Struggles 33:00 – DC’s Turnaround and What It Means for CRE 42:00 – Retail Expansion and What’s Powering It 48:00 – Capital Markets Outlook and the Return of LPs Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 8: Jonathan Kaufman Iger is turning Sage Realty into the first true commercial real estate brand. In this episode, the CEO of Sage shares how a 100-year-old family business is evolving to meet the demands of modern office users. From tenant experience to hospitality-driven operations, Jonathan explains why most landlords are getting it wrong—and what it takes to build trust, loyalty, and a competitive edge in today's bifurcated market. We discuss: – Sage’s shift from ownership to brand identity – Lessons from leasing, portfolio resets, and UK exits – Workplace services that actually matter to tenants – The real reason gyms and lounges often fail TOPICS 00:00 – Cold open and NYC credibility 03:10 – Family roots in New York real estate 11:00 – Taking the long road to Sage 21:00 – Building UrbanGrad and early Facebook ads 28:30 – The conversation that changed everything 35:15 – Refocusing the portfolio on NYC office 43:20 – Lessons from WeWork and building a brand 50:15 – Turning Sage into a tenant-first platform 58:00 – How Sage personalizes service at scale 1:07:00 – Final thoughts on hospitality and vision Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 7: Janet LePage, CEO of Western Wealth Capital, joins the show to share how she scaled from flipping homes in Phoenix to managing over 30,000 units across the Sunbelt, with $4B in real estate transactions under her belt. In this episode, Janet opens up about the pressure of navigating one of the fastest interest rate hikes in modern history and how her firm managed to stay aggressive in the Sunbelt while others pulled back. From installing washers and dryers to unlock millions in value to vertically integrating WWC in just 26 days during COVID, Janet breaks down how bold decisions and operational precision kept her portfolio alive when others were sinking. We discuss: – Her journey from flipping homes to building WWC – The moment she felt “truly wealthy” (hint: it involved a pickle sandwich) – How her 83-point checklist drives fast, repeatable value-adds – Why she vertically integrated WWC during COVID in just 26 days – The first deal she’s bought in three years—and why it's 43% below replacement cost TOPICS 00:00 – Janet’s Start: From Coder to First Flip 05:00 – Flipping Homes While Working a 9-to-5 12:00 – Buying 23 Units 26 Days Before Birth 18:00 – Scaling Through Systems and Syndication 25:00 – Raising Millions and Launching WWC 32:00 – The Washer-Dryer Strategy That Changed Everything 38:00 – Breaking Into Texas and Going Institutional 45:00 – Vertical Integration and COVID Shifts 51:00 – Lessons from Rate Hikes and Bridge Debt 55:00 – New Opportunities: Buying 43% Below Replacement Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 6: Andy Weiner, CEO of RockStep Capital, joins the show to explain why the retail apocalypse was overhyped and how his firm is turning overlooked malls into long-term cash-flow plays. With 50+ shopping centers under management, Andy walks through the real risks, the CMBS fallout, and why Class B markets still offer upside, if you know how to operate. We discuss: – Why “retail is dead” doesn’t hold up in the data – The problem with chasing national tenants – How to convert retail boxes into healthcare and entertainment – Why CMBS debt caused lasting damage to retail. TOPICS 00:00 – Cold Open and Retail Misconceptions 02:20 – Andy’s Path and RockStep’s Strategy 07:00 – The Retail Apocalypse Was Overblown 10:30 – Picking Markets and Making Malls Work 15:45 – Why Big Boxes Can Hurt NOI 20:10 – CMBS Mistakes and Risk Discipline 26:00 – Repurposing Retail Into Healthcare and Entertainment 32:00 – Leasing Timelines and Tenant Credit Today 37:50 – Anchor Replacements and Nontraditional Uses 44:30 – Pricing Gaps, Cap Rates, and Lender Pullback 50:00 – What’s Next for Retail in 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 5: Brian Cohen, CEO of Andover Properties, joins the show for a candid deep dive into how he scaled a self-storage empire and why the best buying opportunities today are in the asset classes no one wanted a decade ago. From distressed storage deals and long lease-ups to launching a credit platform with Angelo Gordon, Brian breaks down what makes Andover different and why data, automation, and institutional discipline give them a lasting edge. We discuss: – Why self-storage outperformed during the GFC – How lease-up timelines have doubled post-COVID – What most operators miss about private credit – Wild stories from inside storage units Brian also shares why he avoids third-party management, what makes below-replacement-cost deals so compelling, and how Andover uses AI to make smarter decisions across all verticals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro and Sleep Tech Rant 02:00 – From Tishman Speyer to Self-Storage 06:00 – Lack of Sophistication in Early Storage Industry 10:00 – Lease-Up Timelines and Developer Distress 14:30 – Loan Acquisitions and Launching a Lending Platform 19:00 – Why They Avoid Third-Party Management 22:30 – Drug Busts, Guns, and Other Storage Finds 26:00 – The Car Wash Thesis and Token Economics 30:00 – AI Tools and Andover’s Data Strategy 34:00 – Buying 50% Below Replacement Cost 38:00 – Cycle Outlook and What’s Next for Andover Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 4: Rich Hill, Global Head of Real Estate Strategy at Principal Asset Management, joins the show for a candid deep dive into the state of CRE in 2025, from CMBS and construction lending to the hype around AI data centers. With over $100B in real estate under management, Rich explains why office isn’t dead, where multifamily pricing is off, and how investors are recalibrating their return expectations. We discuss: – Why debt is suddenly back in favor – What’s fueling (and threatening) the data center boom – Where office sentiment is quietly shifting – The truth behind the “housing shortage” narrative Rich brings clarity to the chaos, offering a rare look at how one of the industry’s largest real estate platforms is navigating 2025. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro & Birthday Surprise 03:00 – Rich’s Career Path + Joining Principal 06:00 – How Principal Allocates Capital in Today’s Market 10:30 – Debt, Construction Lending, and CMBS Strategy 15:40 – Data Centers, AI Demand, and Market Caution 22:30 – Office Outlook and Why Originations Are Ticking Up 28:00 – Living Strategies, Seniors Housing, and Multifamily Mispricing 33:50 – US vs. Europe: Capital Sentiment and Cross-Border Strategy 39:20 – Tariffs, Onshoring, and Resilient Cash Flows 43:00 – Return Expectations for CRE in 2025 and Beyond 47:00 – Final Thoughts on Alternatives and Outlook Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 3: Tommy Lee, Global Head of Capital Markets at Trammell Crow Company, joins No Cap podcast for a deep dive into the return of institutional capital—and what it signals for commercial real estate in 2025. Under Lee’s leadership, Trammell Crow has raised and deployed over $22 billion since 2018, fueling large-scale development across major U.S. markets. In this episode, he breaks down how global capital is reentering the space, what risks are being mispriced, and why some deals just don’t pencil—no matter how they look on paper. We discuss: – The return of institutional investors and what it means for deal flow – Execution risk and capital stack dynamics in today’s market – Why distressed deals might not be the opportunity everyone thinks – The illusion of “risk-free” Treasuries and potential cracks in the system Thomas doesn’t hold back—and his perspective offers rare insight into how one of the industry’s top players is navigating the current CRE landscape. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:00 – CRE Pipeline Activity and Investor Sentiment 10:00 – Managing Relationships and Finding Real Opportunity 15:00 – Office Skepticism and Repositioning Challenges 20:02 – What the Capital Markets Team Is Seeing Nationwide 25:00 – Risk, Return, and Raising Capital in Today’s Climate 30:00 – Creative Structuring and Non-Traditional Capital 35:00 – What LPs Care About in 2025 40:00 – Regional Plays, Execution Risk, and Exit Timing 45:00 – What Makes a Deal Worth Saying No To 50:00 – Advice for the Next Generation of Real Estate Leaders Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 2: In this episode of No Cap Podcast, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with John Imbriglia, CEO of Crowd Street, and Anna-Marie Allander Lieb, Investment Director, to discuss the company’s remarkable recovery from the $63M fraud scandal that rocked its platform. John and Anna-Marie dive deep into how they turned a crisis into one of the biggest expansions in private equity. The duo reveals their shift from crowdfunding to private equity, how they're leveraging AI for smarter due diligence, and why more Americans are moving away from traditional financial advisors in favor of self-directed investing. TOPICS 00:00 - Introduction 05:00 - The Nightingale Fraud Scandal 10:00 - John's Background and Expansion Vision 15:00 - Due Diligence and Sponsor Vetting 20:00 - Technology Updates and Brand Strategy 25:00 - Building Trust Without Financial Advisors 30:00 - AI Integration and Portfolio Management 35:00 - Multifamily and Retail 40:00 - Conservative Leverage and Credit Approach 44:00 - Fall Launch Timeline for Private Markets Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.