(RECORDED ON FEBRUARY 28, 2025) Black Metal as a subgenre tends to get a pretty bad rap- not only because of its sound, but also because some of the most well-known proponents have unsavory, toxic and hateful alliances.   On jamilah's search for some counters to this stereotype, she found the Youtube channel of a certain Brutus Bathory, a leftist Black Metal fan who gave an anticapitalist, critical lens to the music he loves. 

Slightly sarcastically described as a channel which discusses "Metal, politics, and other uncontroversial topics," Brutus addresses the contradictions of patriarchy, consumerism, and the various forms of reactionary sentiments and behaviors which permeate the scene.  His commentaries are a measured love letter of sorts; with well-researched, and pretty accessible responses.  While he displays adoration for a music that has gotten him through life, he pleads for its static nature to cease.

In the conversation, jamilah and Brutus discuss some of the content of the commentaries, as well as addressing some of our own personal (at some points major) contradictions regarding the music we love. 

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON JANUARY 20, 2025) Well...  We don't know what to say.  jamilah is usually the one asking the questions, talking to others about the things which inspire them.  Because she recently came out with a record (called One Day I Slipped And Fell On A Thought), jesse had an idea- and to her surprise, that idea was to flip the mic around and ask jamilah some questions. 

She discusses the process for making the record, as well as some of the methods, events and people which inspired her.  Hopefully, the episode is interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One Day I Slipped And Fell On A Thought is here: https://teodorasfist.bandcamp.com/album/one-day-i-slipped-and-fell-on-a-thought

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED DECEMBER 4, 2023) Whoo boy...  jesse owes jamilah big time for this one. 

The best way to describe this is to just listen to the episode!!!  In it, we discuss once again, a documentary that doesn't exactly do justice to the musical legacy of Michael Jackson.  We attempt to make sense of why this has (again) occurred, we ask why some of the people in the documentary are there, and we go in a bit on John Landis (because honestly, people who love film should). 

We'd love to hear from you!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON DECEMBER 2, 2023) After many months of technical mishaps and life experiences, jesse and jamilah have returned, discussing some (but not all) of their favorite albums released this year; they also discussed the culture of mass information (in relation to Shawn 'Puffy' Combs and other predatory figures), our own contradictions, as well as other cultural events that have since occurred since this posting!  

We'd love to hear from you!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON AUGUST 7, 2023) Yes....  The unbelievable happened.  jamilah met her second favorite band of all time, and her greatest musical inspiration.  She is still in immense shock about it.  This episode was recorded the day after Metallica did their two sets (with no repeats) at MetLife Stadium, so please forgive her relative incoherence, and many tears (hopefully jesse does as well!!!). 

We also discuss the passing of Sinéad O’Connor (and experiences with mental health struggles), constantly getting names wrong as a possible personality trait, sexuality and objectification, the SAG-AFTRA strikes, Ice Cube and KRS ONE going full counterrevolutionary, as well as the 'throwing phones' situation.

It's an action packed show!!!

We'd love to hear from you!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

In addition, if you struggling are in need of a voice to talk to, please call 988 (for the u.s. national number), or go to https://988lifeline.org/current-events/the-lifeline-and-988/

(RECORDED ON MAY 29, 2023) After a ton of mishaps and mental health episodes, we finally have this episode up!!!  jesse and jamilah felt inspired to discuss this after the physical transition of Tina Turner, given a few anti-African stances she took throughout her life.  While these things were known by some prior to her passing, many opined that addressing her contradictions was inappropriate because, well...  she's Tina Turner! 

We must remember that she was human, just like any of us who do not share her fame or financial status.  No one, regardless of celebrity status or amount of income they make should ever be immune from critique, whether they are physically on this earth, or not. 

In this episode we also discuss William 'Smokey' Robinson and his latest album, Gasms.  We discuss portions of his memoir, the ageism surrounding reactions to the album, and more. (Note:  The audio got kind of messed up between the 51-54 minute mark; we hope that doesn't take too much away from the content!  Thanks!)

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON MAY 23, 2023) This is a multi-tiered episode of sorts, if you will.  The Mulkilteo Fairies were one of jamilah's most favoritest hardcore/punk bands in the early to mid 1990s, as she was a young punk kid trying to figure life out.  She wanted to always meet the people behind that band- and eventually met Josh (while he was in the band Behead The Prophet NLSL) and Quitty (while hanging out in Olympia, WA), respectably- so starting out, this is both an (a. 'Meet Your Heroes', as well as a (b. 'Giving Flowers' episode, combined. 

Of course, the people we looked up to as young people are humans, and sometimes those humans are around the same age as us, and sometimes we have similar friend groups (which is not hard if you're in the punk scene, especially in a smaller city on the map).  So of course this is also a 'reunion' episode, as jamilah and Josh have reconvened after a long, long period. 

Josh has been very, very busy over the years, bringing awareness to the connections between punk and veganism via his role as a traveling chef over the years doing dinner parties.  A few published cookbooks of his are 'So Raw It's Downright Filthy', 'In Search Of The Lost Taste', 'Hey Ho Let's Dough!' and 'This Ain't no Picnic:  Your Punk Rock Vegan Cookbook'.  Residents in Billings, Montana have also seen him selling baked goods and herbs at the local farmer's market. 

Josh is a person with such a well-rounded experience (while not ignoring the punk roots that shape him), and we hope you have a positive experience listening to this conversation!  (ed. note:  We want to apologize for whatever tech/mic issues occurring in this episode.  We hope it doesn't get in the way of the content.  We did our best to work through them- so even the tech spirit is punk as well!)

To get updates from Josh, go to his website:  https://joshuaploeg.blogspot.com/

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON MAY 13, 2023) This is an interesting episode, as tables have somewhat turned...  jamilah is usually the fanboi (of various things) out of the two hosts; however, given that he was massively beloved by her in the past, it was discovered that jesse is far more of one when it comes to Stevie Wonder.  There are attempts to explore this emerging discovery. 

jesse and jamilah discuss Stevie Wonder's discography, the songs and albums they connect to, what the best songs are to introduce others to his music... as well as (of course) the contradictions.  Even with all of these things, they feel his contributions to the arts and music are definitely deserving of flowers. 

For questions, comments, your favorite Stevie songs, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 30, 2023) One of the objectives of this podcast is to engage with the ways we all connect with and to music.  Of course, that would be boring if it were just jesse and jamilah every episode, so we always love when others get to share their experiences. 

jamilah was very glad to have been able to share some time with fellow podcaster and creator (and lover of St. Anger) Old Head, whom she first became familiar with through his YouTube videos.  Steven/Old Head is also a radio host (which jamilah was for 11 years); another thing she learned through this conversation was the similarity in which they both play guitar (which he is much better at).  Throughout the episode they also discuss the erosion of cultural musical delineations, social awareness and responsibility of artists, and the healing power of music. 

Old Head Podcast: https://oldheadpodcast.podbean.com/

Old Head's YouTube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@OldHead

Supporting Actor:  https://open.spotify.com/artist/0NwEPvnhvzF7OesykYdQBM

Radio show: https://live.onamp.com/oldhead.tx

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 23, 2023) jamilah has been fairly open on this podcast about her experience as an amputee, and the ways music is now experienced due to it.  We want to take time in various episodes to explore the various experiences had, under the spectrum of disabilities that exist.

On this episode we have Nick, who was born with cerebral palsy.  jamilah and Nick met via a community of listeners and appreciators of Metal Up Your Podcast (MUYP), a... podcast (!!!) developed out of a love for Metallica.  There's a bit of conversation about MUYP; as well as discussions on how our disabilities shape our experiences, our love for the band beginning with the letter M, as well as what can be done in order for metal to be more welcoming.  And of course, Nick discusses his profession as a lawyer (and the way metal inspires him- hence the name, MetalLawyer).

For more information or queries for Nick, go to https://www.nrollerlaw.com/

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 17, 2023) 72 Seasons must be a special album, because jesse stayed up past his bedtime to discuss it!  This is his first experience with a new Metallica album release cycle, so jamilah was extremely excited to hear his perspective.  Needless to say, she was very pleasantly surprised. 

As they go into detail about perspectives and what significance the album and individual songs hold,  the two longtime friends also emotionally exposed themselves (to each other, and perhaps the world) in ways they hadn't before.  Again, this must be a special album. 

(Also ...Hardwired To Self Destruct is #6 on the albums list. jamilah sadly left it out.  BOOOOOOO to her.)

Thanks so much for listening!

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

In addition, if you struggling are in need of a voice to talk to, please call 988 (for the u.s. national number), or go to https://988lifeline.org/current-events/the-lifeline-and-988/

(RECORDED ON APRIL 8, 2023) We aren't getting any younger, and neither are some of the artists we love.  We wanted to present a way to appreciate folks while they are still here (even if they're not currently producing music in that iteration), hence the 'Giving Flowers' series. 

Our first episode is dedicated to Mudhoney, one of the last living 'anti-establishment' bands (that aren't Anarcho punk, or traditionally 'anti-establishment' in the way we're conditioned to think about what that means).  Our special guest is Abby Denson; not only is she one of the biggest Mudhoney fans we know, but she also, many moons ago started two bands with co-host jamilah (who was inspired by the band to pick up a guitar).  Similar to with E.T. Russian, jamilah became reunited with Abby (as well as the drummer in our first band, Mayumi), post accident. 

Mudhoney just released a new album, Plastic Eternity, and we discuss how the band still cleverly holds disdain not only for the music industry, but capitalism, consumerism, fascism and environmental destruction due to human carelessness.  In a time where people advocate for 'politics to not be in music'; we love them for rejecting this sort of idealism, eschewing the stereotype of 'Boomers' or 'Generation X' becoming less confrontational and/or more conservative when it comes to these things.  

Thanks for everyone involved in Mudhoney, past and present (Dan Peters, Matt Lukin, Steve Turner, Guy Maddison, Mark Arm, Ed Frotheringham, etc.) for keeping the spirit of rebellion alive in music.

For information and updates about Abby, go to:  https://www.abbydenson.com/

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

Thanks for listening!

(RECORDED ON NOVEMBER 21, 2024)  As long as injustice exists, there is always a need for artists to respond.  On this episode we speak with Savannah Imani Wade, a member of the Baltimore chapter of Artists Against Apartheid, a collective who's objective is to "commit to using our platforms to challenge at every turn the massive misinformation campaigns waged by those who have a vested interest in the destruction of the Palestinian land and people without fear of repercussions. We dedicate ourselves to standing in solidarity with the Palestinian people and to use our artistic and cultural practices as tools of liberation in the struggle for sovereignty, dignity, and self-determination."

Savannah and jamilah talk about the importance of art collectives in telling the stories of globally oppressed peoples, the importance of not parting with family members due to ideological or political differences, the healing power of music,  the gift of sharing grief, and more! 

Thank you for listening!

For more information, go to https://againstapartheid.art/

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON MARCH 10, 2023) Many music lovers enjoy going out to see their favorite artists live.  Some of us music lovers have disabilities, making it not as easy to navigate this world.  In conversation with jamilah (who is a below-knee amputee (BKA)) is E.T. Russian (a double amputee for much, much longer); an old friend who reunited, 20 years later. 

E.T. and jamilah discuss positive (and not-so-positive) experiences with consent, awareness and acknowledgement; there's also a discussion about the structural improvements made over the years in regards to venues, and the spaces for improvement. 

Thanks for listening!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON FEBRUARY 27, 2023)  This episode is finally up!  A lot of things have happened since then (in relation to some of the things we discussed here), but the primary subject (sadly in some ways) is perhaps timeless. 

jesse and jamilah discuss the formation of what (a couple of days later after this recording) became 'If Darkness Had A Son' (to be released on Metallica's 12th album, 72 Seasons).  Also discussed was paris Jackson's interview with Steve-O. 

The main subject of this episode was the culture of stanning; the etymology of it as well as the difference between stanning and regular 'ol fandom.  Are you a stan of something/someone?  Let us know!

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED JANUARY 29, 2023) Music continues to simultaneously fascinate and confound us.  jamilah is (positively) surprised at a few of jesse's favorite selections; There is also a discussion about an issue not addressed in mainstream discussions of music- colorism.  People see these things as myths, but there are real-world examples (and real-world harm). For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

We also have a Discord page!  https://discord.gg/Ke3XyU8W

(RECORDED JANUARY 22, 2023) jesse and jamilah are back- and we no longer have to record episodes in different states, which of course makes things much easier.  We spend our first (non remote) episode exploring the first two singles from the upcoming Metallica album, '72 Seasons'; jamilah also attempts to make sense of jesse's love of Sananda Maitreya, as jesse critiques Maitreya's various contradictions.  We also discuss the subject of wearing t-shirts of bands you don't know, as well as an upcoming Michael Jackson documentary.  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

If you struggling are in need of a voice to talk to, please call 988 (for the national number), or go to https://988lifeline.org/current-events/the-lifeline-and-988/

(RECORDED DECEMBER 21, 2021) Jesse and jamilah are very, very jetlagged in this episode, but we wanted to get our thoughts out about MTF (Metallica Turns Forty) before everything left our brains.  After never having seen the band live (and just getting into them), Jesse can now say he has seen them twice, while jamilah has officially now seen them three times- the first being December 3, 1991.  Jesse got to capture a bit of the essence of the 'Metallica Family' as well. 

There was so much happening that weekend, we couldn't possibly cover it all.  And being in the moment at the Chase Center, we couldn't possibly catch every detail.  There might even be things we get mixed up or wrong here.  We hope to watch any replays, so as to catch whatever nuances missed.  Either way, it's all love here. 

For a deeper explanation about the songs, albums and members, please listen to our previous episode. 

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED NOVEMBER 26, 2021) It has been a very eventful couple of years since Jesse and jamilah were here!  There was a particular event which affected the whole world (and continues to), Jesse wrote a book, and jamilah experienced a life-altering accident.  For this episode though, we are switching it up!  While we do talk a bit about Prince (and a tiny bit about MJ), our focus for this episode is on...  METALLICA!  They are getting some love over here.  Preparing for the band's 40th anniversary events happening in December, Jesse and jamilah share how they came to know the band, any significant impact and connections made, album rankings, and what they hope to see at MTF.  

For a more extensive conversation on some of what we've spoken about, here is a piece jamilah wrote: https://theonewomanapollo.wordpress.com/2021/08/30/a-eulogy-for-a-lost-limb-or-what-metallica-has-taught-me-about-death/

For information on Jesse's book:  https://gesturebuttontherapy.com/2021/08/04/paradise-clarity/

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED SEPTEMBER 22, 2019) The authors of confusion have always been here.  No longer 'hidden in plain site,' they are increasingly coming out of the shadows.  Many figures posed as 'woke' are being hired to mislead the masses.  There has even been a conversation about the term 'woke' on British television, co-facilitated by none other than Piers Morgan.  

They say words evolve and constantly lose their original meanings, while intent still holds weight in the original.  We must cease to hold on to 'wokeness' and learn to open our eyes, our brains and our consciousness to stay awake, for the authors of confusion still hide among the masses.  To slightly take from Mr. Nelson, a huge part of us must die, in order to live.  To take directly from Mr. Jackson, we have to stop existing and start living.  These authors of confusion are counting on our fear of death, so that we may continue to hate true freedom, and only depend on an illusion of it.  

Physical death (under a system of exploitation) brings world tours, holograms, package deals and fighting families.  Ego death (under the same system) brings isolation and discouragement.  'Death' usually implies a transition of some sort; under a system of exploitation there is no consciousness, no karmic awareness.  With no acknowledgement of karmic debt, it's easier to exploit one (financially or otherwise) who has physically transitioned.  "Some say man ain't happy truly, until a man truly dies..."  How one determines the meaning of death is how much one will define happiness.  

Sign O' The Times.

Jesse and jamilah discuss how the 'authors of confusion' have come out to play out in various scenarios.  Can we have a conversation about true liberation within a context of a system which does not acknowledge our humanity?  And can we do it under the framework of 'cultural ambassadors' speaking for us?  

Is there a way to honor cultural luminaries or beloved popular culture figures without stealing or not including their humanity (this also includes painting them in a 'perfect' light)?

Is there a way to honor a survivor's story (even if we do not agree with said story)?  Does the image of a beloved figure always coincide with their actual actions?  Do our perceptions of a beloved figure blind us from questioning the potentiality of them committing violence (even if only done once)?  How do we question or hold one accountable without attacking their gender (or sex), mental condition or spiritual practice?  

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED SEPTEMBER 15, 2019)  This is a shorter episode; jamilah goes solo (Don't worry- Jesse hasn't gone anywhere, and he was okay with this episode going up)!!!   jamilah wanted to take a little time out to focus on some news stories you may not have known.  If you regularly listen to our podcast, you know we cover non-music/political news as well.

jamilah also speaks a bit about Leaving Neverland winning an Emmy award.  If you listen regularly, we're sure you'll know where that conversation goes. 

Though a solo episode, as usual, we hope the information presented was useful to you.  Thanks for listening!

Ahjamu's blog:  http://www.abetterworld.me/

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED SEPTEMBER 9, 2019)  Obviously an extension of our last episode, Jesse and jamilah continue to look into the notion of the more recent wave of so-called 'edgy' (or even 'edgelord') comedy, and why it's being viewed as edgy...  When it's ultimately a reflection of already socially acceptable mores.  The majority of successful comedians are heterosexual, cisgender and/or white, and comedy is going to primarily reflect these cross-sections of experiences.  There HAVE been comedians who hold privilege (be it physical, gender, ethnic or otherwise) and were able to successfully do comedy regarding marginalized groups...  While the marginalized groups were NOT at the expense of the joke.  This is possible to do, because it lends to pointing out societal absurdities or injustices. 

Is 'edgy' comedy now a means of gaining a 'seat at the table'- especially if it is done by someone who historically (and in the present tense) has been marginalized?  Is it a way to 'prove' you have now been accepted by dominant society?  Is it a more nuanced, more socially accepted form of 'oppression olympics', while blaming others for doing the same?  ('I as a Black man, am still out here getting shot in the streets; and you want ME to recognize TRANS women being murdered??!!  You want me to acknowledge you as nonbinary??!!  Stop it with this gay agenda!!!')

We also discuss a little more on 'cancel culture'; on Missy Elliot and Mary J. Blige (fortunately) not being appropriated; on Rapsody, women in hip hop and misogynoir; as well as the Jackson/DeBarge dynamic. 

Thanks for listening!

Okayplayer piece on Rapsody: https://www.okayplayer.com/music/rapsody-eve-real-hip-hop-review.html

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED 1 SEPTEMBER 2019) Here's another overview of a seemingly 'controversial' visual work- 'Sticks and Stones'.  While most people have defended Chapelle's work wholesale (because you know...  It's comedy), there have been very few pieces (either critical or in defense) pointing to the nuances and consequences of 'controversial' comedy.  Most responses have been reactionary.  Jesse and jamilah dissect the full special (and its two epilogues- NOTE:  MASSIVE SPOILERS). 

Is it possible for comedy to be funny and not be at the expense of politically and socially marginalized groups of people?  Is something truly 'controversial' when it's a reflection of already socially-accepted/mainstream ideas?   In this context, is a view only valid when it's socially accepted by the majority?  In the 'marketplace of ideas' (if you will), why are those who scream about advocating for 'free speech' ready to shut down any critique of specials such as 'Sticks and Stones' with cries to 'be less sensitive', or supposed pejoratives such as 'SJW' or 'PC'?  Under a capitalistic framework, who truly has access to 'free speech'?

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON OCTOBER 17, 2024) In the 11 years of doing radio (and now podcasting), jamilah has been experiencing a process of time where increasingly, you have to have some level of notoriety or fame for someone to take the time out to be on an episode of your podcast- or, you have to go through scores of agents and handlers (and sometimes, you don't get a response at all).  We understand that there's an overwhelming amount of media out there currently, and people must be selective.  It's an incredibly humbling experience to be able to converse with someone who is sharing their limited time with us.

The Internationale are no exception.

Quintessentially NYC, Delila Paz and Edgey Pires create music that, from its inception has been decisively anti-racist, antifascist, anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist; they utilize their craft to counter the intersections of classism, racism and misogyny.  Their inspirations range far and wide, from Woodie Guthrie and Buffy Sainte-Marie, to Nina Simone and John Coltrane.  So of course...  we had to talk to them.

And we are certainly glad we did.

Similar to our last episode, this conversation occurred prior to the announcement of Trump's second term presidency, but so much still applies.  Edgey, Delila (both who are incredibly funny) and jamilah discuss everything from moments of fearlessness, the political self-censoring of artists, vanguard/small cadre vs. mass organizing, the limitations of rock lyricism, the moments that inspired a questioning of the system, the misinterpretation of 'revolution',  the experience of being on a major label in transition, appreciation vs. appropriation, where 'protest music' goes wrong under capitalism, (older) rock musicians and fans hoarding the culture for themselves, and most importantly, finding humanity amidst the struggle.

Songs featured on this episode:

-5th World (Soul On Fire, 2019) -1984 (Running For A Dream, 2023) -Freak Revolution (Soul On Fire, 2019) -Bourgeois Blues (New York I Do Mind Dying, 2013) -Life, Liberty, And The Pursuit Of Indian Blood (We Will Reign, 2014) -Try Me (Soul On Fire, 2019) -Workers Of The World- Unite! (Live) (This Bootleg Kills...  Vol 1, 2016)

Thank you for listening! 

For more information on The last Internationale, go to: https://www.tlinyc.com/

Also, For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED 25 AUGUST 2019)  WE ARE BACK Y'ALL!!!  After a variation of life experiences that shifted much in our combined worlds, Jesse and jamilah have returned...  With another setback- A RUSTY MICROPHONE SOUND.  i guess the mic missed us as well, and was just paying us back for all the months of non-use.  We apologize in advance for any bad sound, and hope this doesn't obscure the subject matter we aim to bring to you.

As we are in the midst of the 'era of mass exposure' (an inevitability in the age of mass information), where exactly do our priorities lie when moving to 'cancel' someone?  What is the desired objective in canceling a public figure?  If there is no common agreement and organized effort on who should be canceled (and why), is 'cancel culture' sustainable?  If variations in 'cancel culture' have existed for centuries, why is it only being considered as viable in this day and age? 

For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:  https://twitter.com/musicandwejj

and here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED MARCH 10, 2018)  First This Is It and now Leaving Neverland...  We must note that this was recorded directly after watching the full four hours, plus the Winfrey interview...  While we gather people would be aware of this, we must reiterate that the majority of the audio here is based on views/opinions.  Just like a majority of the people who have something to say, neither one of us personally knew Michael Jackson.  Anything we say is going to be based on personal perspectives, as well as our experiences in relation to him.  You as a listener (ESPECIALLY if you personally knew the man) have every right to disagree.  It must also be noted that, because the response was directly after watching the film, there were many points of discovery missed.  There were many things jamilah wrote in her notes while watching it, and still forgot to discuss in this episode (major glaring example:  when Safechuck's mother stated that she was willing to "share" her son with Michael Jackson.  Even if you agree that these men were abused by MJ, that had to have sent some flags up). 

From our first episode we stated that we would cover controversial matters; this may be one of the most controversial, given that the very existence of Leaving Neverland is leading people to blindly demonize or lionize Michael Jackson.  This episode does neither, though it may be looked at as such...  Depending on your views.

jamilah processed the film for weeks after watching it, and felt an alienating sadness.  Jesse/Jester, while not having watched it, felt the same.  While the film confirmed many critiques had about Michael Jackson (spoken about in several of out episodes- only amplified here), it does not take away our love and appreciation for him.  In a society which supports/encourages reactionary behavior (on both ends) and idol worship, any nuanced conversation regarding Michael Jackson gets placed in the background.  As of this writing, there are still major developments regarding the inconsistencies of the information disseminated in Leaving Neverland, thanks to director Dan Reed's consistent admission that he did no research on Michael Jackson (which he actually stated just as openly during the Winfrey interview); there are also public dated records which contradict the narratives of Safechuck and Robson. 

Leaving Neverland ultimately was an Electronic Press Kit for Wade Robson, who (especially at this point) is seen as unreliable in the industry he's employed in. He needs a job. He is more or less 'joined at the hip' to Michael Jackson; the man defined Robson's whole life.  Given that Michael Jackson is no longer physically here, he can no longer rely on that train to ride smoothly for him.  It's as if Wade Robson never had to work for anything, because MJ provided everything for him.  Now...  he actually has to, and judging from his own writings, he had a nervous breakdown because the work was too hard for him.  Given his requests to direct MJ-related projects were rejected, the end of his lifeline became evident.  Thus, we have Leaving Neverland:  The Wade Robson Story, with James Safechuck more or less as a guest star.

Narcissists (of which we think Wade Robson fits the description to a t) don't particularly like to work at anything.  Not only was Leaving Neverland an examination of Michael Jackson's emotional and psychological state (in jamilah's view); it was also the examination of a narcissist.  THAT is where the documentary lies.

As with all of our episodes, please listen with an open mind.

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(RECORDED MARCH 3 & 4 2019)  So now this 'documentary' entitled 'Leaving Neverland' is airing, as we have this conversation.  Feelings are heightened.  Opinions are divided.  Those who were already convinced of Michael's guilt are more than convinced after watching it; many in the fan community have refused to watch it.   We at 'Music And We' do what we can in order to present a more nuanced position on this particular situation.  While we have not seen the film at this point, our position is to stick to the facts as much as we can.  Given the manipulative angles the producers (and director) of this film are taking, it is crucial we take this angle. As this moment is fresh for us (both of these recordings were in the midst of everything happening) we could not grasp everything.  One thing is clear- Being reactionary is not going to convince anyone to see a side other than the one they are firmly placed in. 

Both Jesse/Jester and jamilah have been aware throughout this whole series of events that something is bothering us, and we do our best to figure it out.  The statements from Safechuck and Robson have us feeling some kind of way:

"I got married and had a son.  I continued to live in denial and secrecy.  After my son was born in late 2010, my fear of exposure became worse as i realized that now other people were part of my life and I was dragging them into it.  I began to see how innocent children really are and to worry that i would have pedophilic urges." -Safechuck

He mentions his son's 2010 birth as a turning point in his life (in terms of "fear of exposure"), yet he mentions that he had no awareness that he was abused until Robson's announcement in 2013.  How would his child's birth in 2010 also be a point of awareness of being a survivor of abuse?  His mother (in the film) also claims that she danced in her bed upon the news of Michael's passing (in 2009) because "he could no longer hurt a child."  This would also chronologically be a mismatch from both of Safechuck's 'official' narratives. 

"In March 2012, I had my second and final nervous breakdown which again included feelings of extreme stress, anxiety, fear and depression.  I would look at my son and imagine him experiencing the sexual acts I did with Doe 1- which I did not yet equate with being sexually abused.  And, for the first time in my life, I wondered if I needed to talk to someone about what Doe 1 and I 'did together'.  I knew that I truly had no idea how I felt about it."  -Robson

Robson's previous explanations for his nervous breakdowns were because of the stress of directing major productions; upon dropping out his writings lamented that he let Michael down. 

There's a lot of plot holes in the story.  It is always good to ask questions, and to do homework on ALL sides, regardless of what side you are on.   Do not blindly follow a person, whether it's Michael Jackson, or the two subjects of a highly stylized film. 

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(RECORDED FEBRUARY 24, 2019) WEEEEEERE BAAAAAAACK!!!!

The term 'manufacturing consent'  was inspired by a phrase coined in 1922 by Walter Lippmann ('the manufacture of consent').  It was originally the title of a 1979 book by Michael Burawoy;  it was then popularized after the 1988 book (and eventual film of the same name) by Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman. It is identified through corporate media (in particular) dictating a particular perspective or ideology as a means of social control.  Its goal is to persuade the public to side with particular views which would be advantageous to their profit margin.  The greatest examples are the U.S.'s portrayal of the global south, the so-called Middle East or even Mexico (which is 1/3 of North America) as being 'undeveloped' and/or in serious need of 'democratization'...  Despite many of these countries having had democratically elected presidents, or have fought for self-determination to the point where they have become sovereign.  It is the media's job to do the bidding of corporations (who sit on the government's boards and who create and influence policies) and gear up excitement for militaristic invasions. 

The consolidation of media has produced less and less opportunities for people to see informed debates, and more opportunities to experience sound bites.  More and more mainstream media 'journalists' are reporting opinion pieces, versus findings from detailed assignments.  While many have focused on the proliferation of social media being used as a 'new media'; corporate media recognizes this shift as well, and is utilizing whatever means they have to attempt to compete- be it through meme-inspired commercials, use of social media posts in commentaries, purchasing the rights to internet series, or taking cues from video streaming services. 

This upcoming HBO feature, 'Leaving Neverland' appears to be inspired by all of this.  Heightened by the cooptation of the 'me too' movement by Hollywood (leaving out the voices of Tarana Burke and those who the movement originally was speaking for), 'Leaving Neverland' not only follows the wave of celebrity docudramas that have been happening in the past couple of years (Michel'le, TLC, Whitney Houston, Aaliyah, New Edition, Bobby Brown); it also has kept a watchful eye on the sea of accusations that have been spreading (Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Russell Simmons, Brett Ratner, Morgan Freeman, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Benny Medina).  Almost ten years later, the executives at Home Box Office recognize how polarizing of a figure Michael Jackson still is, regarding the issue of child abuse.  With the ratings popularity (and visceral reactions) to 'Surviving R. Kelly',  the network clearly saw potential in their decision to pick up the documentary. 

The title 'Leaving Neverland' has a couple of connotations.  The first one is literal:  Michael Jackson literally left Neverland, his place of residence from 1988 until the 2003 police raid.  The other connotation is much more nuanced:  'Neverland' was a place representative of eternal youth.  The raid prompted uncomfortable growth spurts, and Michael Jackson had to leave the place he called home behind.  The other branch to this more nuanced connotation is what Robson and Safechuck are insinuating- that Neverland was a 'house of horrors' where childhood was snatched away. 

While Michael Jackson certainly was not a perfect individual; and while we do not feel that, despite the intention, his being with kids as a means of dealing with his own trauma was the best method of healing- the research we poured into all of the cases pertaining to these accusations have not produced sufficient evidence to convince us of his guilt.  Because MJ was never really comfortable (from our perspective) in dealing with difficult questions, this gave a lot of folks who already declared him 'strange' enough ammunition to emphasize his weaknesses.  Sadly, there are some in his fan base who pathologize his vulnerability to the point where it gives further ammunition to those who aim to profit from said vulnerability.  It is a slippery slope to claim a person does not have the capacity to harm someone just because of how you connect to or perceive their public representation.  Anyone who was abused as bad as Michael Jackson has described has the capacity to hurt others.  Whether or not they actually do is another conversation. 

The comparisons between MJ and Robert Kelly make no sense to us.  Even though both were found 'not guilty' at their trials, Robert Kelly was found 'not guilty' on a technicality (a full warrant also was not produced for a search; also, crucial witnesses would not testify), and the prosecution from Michael's trial was discovered tampering with evidence. If there was a wealth of evidence uncovered that Michael Jackson was indeed a predator, you can guarantee that we will be doing an episode about it, rescinding our defense of him.  As for now, we have not seen this wealth of evidence.

The fact that statements of Wade Robson and James Safechuck are the primary ones, after years of opportunity of exposing his predatory behavior are suspicious to us.  We recognize how insidious predators are- they are in our families, they are out here in these streets- but to defend people so hard for so many years, and to expose someone years later (and asking for large sums of money in the process) is suspicious.  The addition of Adrian McManus (and her interview with an Australian network) is suspicious as well, given that she had a court order to pay Michael Jackson back (after stealing items from Neverland), and never did so.  She claimed there were incriminating tapes, but actually never looked at the contents of the tapes.  She was also found to be lying under oath.  If you are going to state serious claims or accusations against someone, it is crucial you have all the evidence lined up.  McManus worked for him for four years, yet did not report anything she claimed to have seen? Like many celebrities Michael Jackson notoriously made people sign NDAs; NO AMOUNT OF NDAs would make us stay quiet if indeed predatory insidiousness were occurring.  If McManus saw this going on and did not report it, she should be charged with endangering children. 

Also...  As secret as Michael Jackson was, why would he leave incriminating evidence for any old person to see?  If all of these claims are true, how were they missed in the years the man was searched by federal, state and local organizations?  How did he have evidence of things lying around, but NOTHING in ANY of the computers they searched? 

It is crucial to question everything.  Because (once again) Michael Jackson is seen as 'weird' it's very easy to sway opinion in the favor of those who have not done research, thereby 'manufacture consent' to attack a guy who's long decomposed in his mausoleum. 

Jesse/Jester and jamilah have another commentary on the various political situations occurring (connecting with the overall theme of 'manufacturing consent'), and of course we speak about this situation in relation to Safechuck and Robson.  Honestly, we only scratched the surface. 

We would love to thank Michael Dean, Purple Underground, Charles Thompson, Joe Vogel, Nightchild Ethereal, and the countless podcasters, bloggers/writers, vloggers and creators who came before us and beside us, doing this work sincerely, and with love.

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(RECORDED DECEMBER 23, 2018) Despite being loved by many across the globe, Prince nor Michael Jackson were let off the hook when it came to people creating comedy skits and/or parodies around what was deemed their eccentricities.  From Eddie Murphy's "Tito get me some tissue!" skit, Lenny Henry's satirical take on the Bashir interview (which, while still pointing to what was seen as MJ's 'strange' behavior) actually pointed to the insidious nature of Bashir's intentions) to Tommy Davidson reworking lyrics to 'Sign 'O The Times' about a fast food chain; both men were inspirations for laughs everywhere.  Clearly, sometimes it was funny (with both men eventually developing relationships with some who had parodied them), and sometimes the intent of the comedian was clearly hurtful.  Jesse/Jester and jamilah discuss the cultural significance of some of these skits, as well as the moments where comedy can actually be negatively impactful.

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(RECORDED DECEMBER 16, 2018) Yes...  Keep one eye open, y'all.  It's better late than never that people are posthumously catching the crucial messages in both MJ and Prince's music; but for us, we felt a need to go deeper into our interpretations of the songs' contexts.  And besides, Prince has about two billion songs, and we could not possibly cover them all in one episode.  Or even two. 

One of the things both Prince and Michael encouraged was to look beyond their music and study what was going on in the world, and just as we've covered a few non-music issues in other episodes to some capacity, we go even deeper here (as it is an episode dedicated solidly to political themes).  If we are to respect their artistry and humanity, focusing solidly on music would be a disservice to them. 

Jesse/Jester and jamilah take another look at the songs which have started flame wars in the respective fan/friend communities, the songs which have united bipartisan support for 'fighting indecency' and most of all...  The songs which encourage and inspire people to think. 

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(RECORDED DECEMBER 9, 2018) If you've been listening to us so far, we are sure you saw this coming.  Both Prince Rogers Nelson and Michael Jackson have been polarizing figures in musical discussions for years; but they have also been seen by many as (for some reason) being musically blind to the issues facing us 'normal' people.  To that we say... ARE YOU KIDDING??!!  While MJ did not have as many scathing political sentiments on his albums, there were a few pivotal moments in his catalog that cannot be ignored.  And Prince, well...  Any close examination of his collection of tracks (and some interviews) will be more than enough evidence that his political commentary was consistent, at times covering a solid majority of an album.  If one is indeed a 'fan', it would be curious to miss those messages on his albums. 

Jesse/Jester and jamilah discuss these sociopolitical dynamics which drive inspiration for PRN and MJ songs, and why their significance matters. 

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(RECORDED DECEMBER 2, 2018)  We grind and grind away all day on this podcast and still...  There were so many songs we did not mention (we see you, Underneath The Cream, Gett Off, International Lover, Rock With You, Adonis and Bathsheba and the countless others); we also know doing that would end up being a 6-hour marathon.  So..  While you're here, ride with Jesse/Jester and jamilah as we explore (at least) some of the nuances of both Michael and Prince's more amorous aspects of their catalog- and let's keep it real, Prince got MJ beat by miles on that one.  While you can find many a comment regarding Michael and (especially) Prince's 'sexiness', focusing on the lower vibrational/carnal symbols and messages; we recognized there's more to the picture...  You dig? 

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(RECORDED NOVEMBER 25, 2018) The usual arguments in favor of comparing Michael Jackson and Prince have to do with their superficial qualities, like their 'falsetto' voices, or the lack of hypermasculine performance.  People also consistently argue (in a contrasting sense) that PRN could play a wealth of instruments while MJ could not at all- IS THIS EVEN TRUE??!!  While the two have definite distinct performing and musical styles in many ways, in a sociopolitical sense, how different are they?  Jesse/Jester and jamilah explore these possibilities. 

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(RECORDED NOVEMBER 18, 2018) Jesse/Jester and jamilah discuss the benefits and the difficulties of the existence of bootlegs.  Are they a good thing?  Are they of benefit to the artist?  What are ways the masses could have access to music, yet respect the artist at the same time? 

(RECORDED ON OCTOBER 2, 2024)  Interestingly, this is the first episode up since the announcement of Donald Trump's election for a presidential second term; however, despite a bit of time passing in between the recording of this conversation and current events, what was said still applies, since we are living under the same system, regardless of administration.  There may be an argument (or several) that this is not the case.  jamilah and Mic Crenshaw discuss why it is.

Mic Crenshaw is a Portland, Oregon-based artist whose primary vehicle is hip hop, though he has a solid history in the punk tradition.  Much of his life has been spent physically fighting oppressive forces (such as racists) in the streets; in more recent times he utilizes music as a means of education and unity and awareness building, through organizations such as the Afrikan Hip Hop Caravan. 

The topics discussed are (of course) the role of a radical artist, the stupor and deception of U.S. politics, It Did Happen Here (an audio/visual series with Erin Yanke), the positive effects of travel (and the class inequities which prevent it), and more.

Mic Crenshaw’s forthcoming LP, produced by Jonny Cool, entitled True Original (Black Skinhead II) will be out in 2025.

This episode features the forthcoming singles:

-'Retribution' (aka 'Dark Moon') (featuring Toni Hill), produced by Jonny Cool -'Ready' (featuring Toni Hill and Kiloriti Maasai), produced by DJ Trox -'Tiger', produced by Jonny Cool

A video for Ready, shot in Tanzania and Portland Oregon will be released in early December, 2024. He has also organized a band for writing of original material and  live shows called The True Originals.

For more information, go to Mic's socials, as well as https://www.miccrenshaw.com/

Thank you for listening!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED NOVEMBER 11, 2018)  Jesse and jamilah discuss the implications of Prince Rogers Nelson and Michael Jackson's erasure of their African sensibilities.  Did they have a hand in that erasure (as a means of survival); or have people relegated them to a particular musical era, placing them in a bubble of systemic erasure? 

(This was recorded on 4 November 2018) While Jesse has seen the posthumously released documentary covering the preparation for the 50-show residency at the O2 Arena over 30 times (!!!), jamilah has finally broken her 9-year vow of protest, just so we could talk about it on the podcast.  What do we think of this Kenny Ortega-directed project?  Is it respectful to Michael Jackson?  Did the man rock it?  Was it worth breaking the vow for?  Is MJ gonna come out the mausoleum to haunt her for only watching it now?  

There's so much we didn't cover in this episode- how DARE we not even touch Camille!  Covering the nuances and contradictions regarding gender and sexuality when it comes to MJ and PRN is going to take much longer than one podcast episode could give...  But we hope you enjoy (or at least get something out of) this little bit here.  

Here is the accompanying episode to 'The Sacred'...  What is exactly defined as 'profane'?  Can the sacred and profane co-exist in the worlds of Prince and Michael Jackson?  Jesse and jamilah navigate the possible answers to these questions.  For obvious reasons, some of what we say in this episode may be deemed 'profane', so be prepared!  

Shamon.

In this 5th episode of Music And We, Jesse and jamilah discuss the concept of the 'sacredness' of words, music, images, etc.; and how contradictions arise based on perceptions of what is sacred.  Are any of these things sacred?  Have times changed to the point where nothing is sacred?  Have we been wrong the whole time?    Are Prince and Michael any less valued as humans based on their own contraditions?  Stay tuned...  

Jesse 'Jester' and jamilah speak about the contextual and possible circumstances around the art of Prince Rogers Nelson and Michael Jackson, in regards to their mental health.  It must be noted that this is predominately our opinion, and may or may not reflect the views or experiences of Michael or Prince when they were here.  Please forgive us for the variations in sound, background noises, etc.  We are but two humble podcasters (living in two different areas), and are aware we are in need of better equipment.  With that, we hope this doesn't take away from the content, and that you enjoy it, and possibly think about things you may not have before.  Thanks...  

You get two episodes in a row!  Here, Jesse and jamilah discuss the damaging effects of 'Stan' culture, and how it clouds perception of how artists like Prince and Michael Jackson are seen.  Stan culture denies the humanity of artists in favor of idolization and rationalization of celebrities' problematic behaviors.  

Jesse and jamilah return with another episode (one which is massively late, we might add), continuing to build from the first.  We have not even touched the surface here, but of course it's a start to the conversation.  There will definitely be more to come.  

Welcome to our inaugural episode!  Jesse 'Jester' Jenkins (Europe) and jamilah bourdon (U.S.) have shared a common love and respect for the works of Michael Jackson and Prince for some time now, and advances in technology have enabled us to share the love with the masses.  The show's goal is to examine the sociopolitical nuances of their works, and by extension, lives.  This episode is honoring Michael Joseph Jackson, on what would have been his 60th born day.  We discuss how he inspires us, his cultural and political significance, and our favorite songs.  

(This episode is dedicated in the memory of Jamel Myles)

Theme song written/composed by j. bourdon 

In this episode, jamilah pays tribute to three influential figures in the music world- genre-defying saxophonist David Sanborn; outspoken vocalist Gary Floyd, and one of the most uncompromising beings to ever get behind a sound board, Steve Albini.  So many are leaving us, but they have left behind the gifts of their music.

Thank you for listening.  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON MARCH 15, 2024) While there are connections based on interest of a particular piece of music or band; many of us live lives outside of that singular interest. 

jamilah and Anthony Broome met via the Metal Up Your Podcast community, specifically through the Discord network.  Because life stories are so vast and interesting, jamilah invited him to come on and speak about his experience/history as a sports writer, a forum moderator (Discord being one of those places), and of course, a ginormous fan of Metallica.  How do these worlds merge?  What are some of the challenges that come up?  What are some of the paths to inspiration (and peace among the noise)?

If you're interested in joining the Discord, let us know and we'll get a link to you!  If you have any questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here:

Thanks for listening!

(RECORDED ON FEBRUARY 11, 2024) This episode developed from a few situations; jamilah wanted to do an episode on Fugazi (one of her favoritest bands of all time), but could not  necessarily find someone to do that episode with.  As Fugazi has not been a band since the early 2000s, doing a 'Flowers' episode would not have been feasible; however, members of Fugazi have embarked on several projects since then, so hopefully someone will want to do a 'Fugazi: Past And Present' episode with her.   

In terms of the episode you're listening to now; in a conversation that involved Bad Religion (another one of her all-time favorite bands), Chris Warne mentioned that even though he loved Fugazi, he would be more comfortable with doing an episode on BR- and thus, another 'Flowers' episode was born.  As a matter of fact, Chris and jamilah (along with mutual friend Rob) have started a tri-continental band, borne from a love of Bad religion. 

In this episode you will hear music from Chris' (primary) band, Cowboy Dan; you will also hear several covers, where all the instruments and vocals were performed by jamilah.  We also discuss the various ways this band has positively impacted/inspired us- including the results of a very arduous task of compiling eight specific songs.

We hope you find something positive in your listening experience- we certainly had fun doing this!

You can find Cowboy Dan's music here: https://cowboydanmusic.bandcamp.com/music

We'd love to hear from you!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON FEBRUARY 7, 2024) We are happy to bring in the first episode of the year of our humble little podcast, a conversation with Clint Wells!  You may be familiar with him as the host of Metal Up Your Podcast;  he's also a professional touring and studio musician, a songwriter and producer...  and all-around nice guy.  In this episode, Clint and jamilah pontificate (in humorous, thoughtful and empathetic ways) on the importance of family and community, what makes a good songwriter, the importance of dialog with those who may hold different views, producing Morgan Wade's upcoming album and of course, Metallica. 

Thank you for listening! 

To hear Metal Up Your Podcast, one way of listening is here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/metal-up-your-podcast-all-things-metallica/id1187775077

We'd love to hear from you!  For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 20, 2025) On April 19, 2025 jamilah and jesse took a road trip to Syracuse, NY to see Metallica- it was jesse's 6th time seeing them, and jamilah's 19th.  At one-something in the morning they decided to discuss their immediate feelings- particularly jesse, who saw them for the first time on the floor.  Were there any differences for him (besides the obvious proximity to the stage) in his experiences?

If you went to the Syracuse show- or if you've gone to any of the shows on the M72 tour, you can tell us your experiences by contacting: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 15, 2025) As our last episode involved a conversation with someone who is not only in one of our favorite bands, but also someone who is in arguably one of the most important bands of our time; we feel really happy to have that episode be followed up with someone who not only understands what it's like to create a podcast, but whose podcast is themed around the very band featured in our previous episode!

Greg Soden, co-host of Unscripted Moments: A Podcast About Propagandhi, was kind enough to take the little time he had out of his day to speak with us.  There were so many things we wanted to ask and talk about; in our brief time together though, we discussed the inspiration for making a podcast on such a band as Propagandhi.  We also spoke about his experience as an educator, and what he does to bring positivity and move beyond limitations in that experience.  And of course, we discuss the couple of songs that have been released (up to this point) off of Propagandhi's upcoming album.

Thanks for listening! 

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