Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about:Why people suck at watching TV now [2:23], the Dieux x Fishwife collab [17:20], an Emmy’s fashion recap [22:15], Elizabeth Holmes’ “I’m Innocent!” makeover [54:00], collars and clown ruffs are having a moment [1:04:01], what the viral “grinder eye mask” controversy says about the sustainability-to-status-symbol pipeline [1:13:00], a Fashion Month overview (shoes are disappearing! eyes are getting deader! automata reign supreme!) [1:28:30], Donna Karan’s brattiness [1:40:20], and “hair makeup” at Ulta. Plus more!
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
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About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
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All About That Treble
vendredi 4 septembre 2026 • Durée 01:25:08
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about: The John Galliano Met Gala mess [2:58], a new perfume named White Blood [20:18], Klutz-core plastic gems [33:50], the trouble with r.e.m. beauty and Ariana Grande [43:06], justice for the Chanel barefoot shoes [59:30], misinterpreted data from the Reddit People’s Beauty Index [1:09:47], Brooks Nader’s Gucci pap walk [1:16:57], and ads for chemical peels in medical clinics [1:21:44]. Plus more!
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All Aboard The Glambulance!
vendredi 7 août 2026 • Durée 01:40:19
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about: The next Lowbrow Book Club read [4:00], Marie Claire Australia’s AI faux pas [9:01], the whole Jessica vs. Jia Tolentino mess [22:15], insider intel re: Travis Kelce’s wedding outfit (it’s rough) [35:45], Caroline Calloway’s “nothing tastes as good as fraudulently-acquired Ozempic feels” essay [50:46], the rise of sea hag-esque shredded gowns [59:40], embodiment vs. “embottlement” [1:11:09], is Aaron Rogers dating an AI chatbot?? [1:16:03], a feminist argument for critiquing influencers [1:18:00], an ode to Jimothy [1:30:54], and a takedown of Tarte’s Glambulance [1:33:12]. Plus more!
Media we mentioned:Ways of Seeing [John Berger], [FLESH WORLD], [WSJ], [WSJ], [Byrdie], [Vincenzo Latronico]
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Clear Eyes, Pink Nips, Can't Lose
vendredi 3 juillet 2026 • Durée 01:39:40
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Media we mentioned: [The Cut], [Interview], [Interview], [People], [The Washington Post], [Vanity Fair], [VICE], [Vogue Business],
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Plastic Surgery Poesy
mardi 9 juin 2026 • Durée 02:20:18
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about: The Jeff Koons-ian packaging of the new Marc Jacobs Beauty products [2:00], lip balm for boys inspired by AK-47s [9:27], conjoined twin-core [14:15], accessorizing with teeth [23:30], fake tans vs. suntans [35:00], the final word on James Charles [41:00], a bizarre literary/skincare crossover [1:10:00], a Met Gala recap (Bad Bunny’s aging prosthetics! The Kardashians’ simulated nipples!Eileen Gu’s bubbles!) [1:19:55],the Queen of Cannes [2:05:27], and a dramatic reading of Rosie O’Donnell’s facelift reveal poem [2:08:40]. Plus more!
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The Cult of Cuteness
lundi 4 mai 2026 • Durée 01:47:42
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about: April Fool’s Day beauty products and the death of parody [1:30], even more fowl-inspired fashion [8:13], the return of the joutfit [17:00], diet-culture-beauty-culture mashups (Fat Oil Body Oil!) [24:30], inflatable attire [32:40], the machine behind the Swan Beauty mirror [41:10], Sianne Ngai’s theory of cuteness [58:00], Bieberchella x Hailey Bieber’s Rhode pimple patches and the reign of the digital doppelganger [1:16:00], Kris Jenner’s quest for tautness [1:35:52], and Euphoria makeup madness [1:48:40]. Plus more!
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The Butt Blush Boom
mardi 7 avril 2026 • Durée 01:40:03
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit
Eugenicsmaxxing
mercredi 4 mars 2026 • Durée 02:00:15
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit
Longevity Erotica
vendredi 6 février 2026 • Durée 01:59:40
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about: The obscured asscrack [2:30], the obscured face [9:40] , Kendall Jenner’s “Accutane nose job” [13:40], Alix Earle’s perioral dermatitis (“if eczema, acne, and rosacea had this evil baby”) and new “Get Real With Me” Youtube show [18:30], Dolce & Gabbana’s umpteenth cancellation [23:49], everyone’s being stupid about the “male gaze” [51:30], we (unfortunately) watched Ryan Murphy’s “The Beauty” [1:05:00], Bryan Johnson’s longevity erotica [1:39:22], and brands turning anti-ICE activism into ads [1:52:30]. Plus more!
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Mess Is The Moment: Our Trend Forecast For The Year
mardi 6 janvier 2026 • Durée 01:38:00
We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).
Today we’re talking about: Our 2026 trend predictions: adult babies [5:30], lampshade dressing [6:40], chastity belts [10:45], clown aesthetics [12:12], fetal skincare [16:30], Pleaser innovation (maybe stilts?) [20:55], death-related beauty [25:50], ephemeral fashion [32:10], plastic surgery spon-con [35:00], the “bleph in a bottle” [37:00], outer space [41:45], hyperreal bodies [48:00], hypergender [54:00], mask-off marketing [1:01:05], Americana [1:05:00], 2-D shapes [1:07:00], manufactured messy girls [1:15:00], the obscured face [1:20:40], oil blotting sheets [1:24:00] and pet nail care [1:26:00], as well as our Messes of the Month (Tom Brady’s Instagram and Kris Jenner’s real nose). Plus more!
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, for those who prefer to watch their podcasts!
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
Also: We’re on YouTube now, where you can watch previous episodes.
About the podcast: Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty.
Subscribe to receive future podcast posts in your inbox:
About the theme music: The Mess World theme song is “Hot Mess” by Carly Lind. Find more about Carly here and listen to her music here.
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