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194. Introducing Family Constellation Work: A Systemic Lens for Play Therapists17 Jun 202500:44:00

🎙️ She’s back! In her fourth appearance, Lisa welcomes the deeply loved and returning guest Mili Sarmiento Shoemaker—bilingual therapist, teacher, and Certified Synergetic Play Therapy Supervisor and Trainer—to introduce a brand-new topic to the podcast: Family Constellation Work.

Rooted in systemic and ancestral wisdom, this conversation explores how children’s symptoms often reflect unresolved family dynamics, not just their own inner world. Together, Mili and Lisa unpack key principles from Family Constellation theory—including the Orders of Love—and how therapists can begin using a systemic lens in the playroom, even without formal training.

In this expansive and soulful episode, you’ll discover:

  • What Family Constellation Work is and why it matters in therapy
  • How children may carry or express unresolved intergenerational trauma
  • The three core Orders of Love (Belonging, Hierarchy, and Balance of Giving & Taking)
  • How imbalance in these orders can result in symptoms like resentment, overwhelm, or soul entanglements
  • The difference between taking and receiving—and why this matters in the therapy room
  • How to begin integrating a systemic lens into your practice, even without formal training

✨ Whether you’re new to this work or looking to deepen your lens, this episode is filled with insight, heart, and transformative “aha” moments.

🎧 Also check out Mili’s past episodes:

A beautiful and eye-opening conversation you won’t want to miss 💖

 

Special: Reflective & Relational Play Therapy Supervision: A Deep Dive with Lisa Dion & Guests10 Jun 202500:37:33

What makes play therapy supervision truly effective? In this first-ever Lessons from the Playroom episode on supervision, Lisa Dion is joined by Polly Douglass, Kim Buller, and Khris Rolfe—three extraordinary play therapists and top supervisors at the Synergetic Play Therapy Institute. Together, they explore the power of reflective and relational supervision and how it transforms both supervisees and their clients.

Whether you're currently in supervision or serving as a supervisor, this episode will offer invaluable insights into:

🔹 What it means to be reflective and relational in supervision
🔹 How to build a supervisor-supervisee relationship that fosters growth and trust
🔹 The role of the supervisor as an external regulator for the supervisee
🔹 How to help supervisees become more embodied in their work as play therapists
🔹 Ways to offer supervision that empowers therapists to trust themselves

This conversation weaves together a beautiful tapestry of reflection, relationship, and emotional attunement—helping play therapists feel their clients’ experiences rather than just think about them.

🌟 Tune in and discover how to create a deeply supportive and transformational supervision experience!

Original Air Date: April 25, 2023

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💜 Learn More About Synergetic Play Therapy: 

👉 Visit our website for courses, resources, and certification opportunities – www.synergeticplaytherapy.com

📚 Explore Our Books: Aggression in Play Therapy – www.synergeticplaytherapy.com/books

🎧 Listen to Our Podcast: Lessons from the Playroom – www.synergeticplaytherapy.com/lessons-from-the-playroom/

✨ SPT Foundation: Learn more about it's mission, team and initiatives:

👉 https://synergeticplaytherapy.com/spt-foundation/

🔗 Connect with Us on Social Media:

190. When the Aggressor is You: Therapist Activation in the Playroom with Mili Shoemaker08 Apr 202500:46:10

"Every part of us, even the ones we've been taught to reject, holds the potential for growth and healing." – Mili Shoemaker

 

Aggression in the playroom is a familiar topic—but what happens when it’s not coming from the child, but from within us as therapists? This is a conversation we rarely hear in the play therapy world, yet it’s a reality many therapists silently grapple with. In this eye-opening episode, Lisa sits down with Mili Shoemaker, a seasoned play therapist, Synergetic Play Therapy trainer, and clinical supervisor, to explore what it means when therapists feel their own aggression arise in session.

With honesty and compassion, Lisa and Mili unpack the discomfort, shame, and stigma that often accompany these experiences. They dive into the protective patterns that emerge when we try to suppress these feelings, and how true healing begins when we stop rejecting these parts of ourselves.

Together, Lisa and Mili explore:
 

✨ The taboo of therapist aggression – Why this conversation is missing in the play therapy world and why it needs to be heard.
✨ Recognizing therapist activation – How to notice when your own history, protective mechanisms, and triggers show up in the playroom.
✨ Befriending aggression – How shifting from judgment to curiosity about our own aggressive parts creates deeper therapeutic presence.
✨ Embodied expression vs. catharsis – Why aggression isn’t something to suppress, but also isn’t about explosive release.
✨ The unmet needs beneath aggression – Understanding what these feelings are signaling and how to meet them with self-compassion.
✨ Breaking free from shame – How to reframe aggression as part of our full humanity rather than something to fear or reject.
✨ Integration and authenticity – Why making space for all parts of ourselves strengthens our ability to hold space for our clients.

This episode is an invitation to step into a conversation that has been long overdue—to acknowledge, explore, and ultimately embrace a part of ourselves that holds the potential for healing and growth.

🔗 Tune in and take the next step toward deeper self-acceptance and authenticity in the playroom.

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💜 Learn More About Synergetic Play Therapy: 

👉 Visit our website for courses, resources, and certification opportunities – www.synergeticplaytherapy.com

📚 Explore Our Books: Aggression in Play Therapy – www.synergeticplaytherapy.com/books

🎧 Listen to Our Podcast: Lessons from the Playroom – www.synergeticplaytherapy.com/lessons-from-the-playroom/

✨ SPT Foundation: Learn more about it's mission, team and initiatives:

👉 https://synergeticplaytherapy.com/spt-foundation/

🔗 Connect with Us on Social Media:

 

150. Marshall Lyles: Ableism and Disablism in the Playroom18 Jul 202300:44:55

The beautiful Marshall Lyles is again joining Lisa Dion for another Lessons from the Playroom episode, but this time to talk about understanding Ableism and Disablism in the Playroom. 

Marshall Lyles, LMFT-S, LPC-S, RPT-S, EMDRIA Approved Consultant, has 20 years of practice in family play therapy. Drawing on lessons learned from working with attachment trauma in a variety of settings, Marshall regularly teaches on sandtray therapy and family work around the globe. In our opinion, Marshall is one of the leading voices in helping us understand ableism and disablism. You can connect with him at www.marshalllyles.com.

In this episode, Marshall and Lisa tackle this commonly occurring, yet secretly held subject of ableism and disablism in our field. Here’s what you’ll hear:

  • How ableism and institutionalized ableism has entered our profession, and how we might be perpetuating ableist norms for our clients or even for each other as therapists; 
  • How to step into the mind of another in order to really have the sufficient mentalization to think critically about our own play spaces and our play therapy practices;
  • How to initiate repair when rupture happens due to unawareness or assuming all minds and bodies work in the same way; and
  • How to more fully celebrate the uniqueness of individuals and help individuals love and appreciate themselves exactly as they are.

You're invited to listen to this episode and take Marshalls’ wisdom to heart to discover ways to more fully welcome your clients’ mind and body into the therapeutic space. As well, to stay true to you as a clinician and do what you need to care for your heart, your mind, and your body. 

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Special: Working with a Child's Emotional Age in Play Therapy11 Jul 202300:27:02

Original Air Date: August 13, 2020

When our clients come to session it is easy to get caught up in thinking that they are their age, when in fact, they are not their age. At least not their chronological age. This episode is dedicated to helping you begin to understand the difference between emotional age and chronological age, a few clues to help you spot emotional age and regression, and how to work with these younger states in both your clients and yourself when they arise in the play room.

* "When a child comes into play therapy, we are not working with their chronological age, but their emotional age." - Lisa Dion

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149. Annie Monaco: Welcoming Dissociation in the Playroom04 Jul 202300:40:24

In this episode, we’re talking about a topic that we’ve never discussed, but is such an important topic to our work as play therapists. And that is dissociation. To have this discussion, Lisa has with her the fabulous Annie Monaco. Annie is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Registered Play Therapist, and faculty member of the Child Trauma Institute. With over 20 years of experience, Annie is a global trainer and has a specialty in EMDR Therapy with children and teens, and advanced training in attachment and dissociation in children especially with aggressive and hostile parts of self - she’s the perfect person to learn more about this topic!

Here’s what you’ll learn in this episode: 

  • A usable definition of dissociation beyond the textbook to really get a sense for how it shows up in our client sessions;
  • How dissociation reflects the child’s inside personal struggles and what it looks like;
  • Understanding dissociation connected to complex or developmental trauma;
  • How to help a child, parent, and even us as the therapist have compassion for all of the parts of the child (...a critical part of a child’s treatment process);
  • Activities and strategies to support children in exploring all of their parts of themselves and facilitate a path to healing. 

Also, Annie shares a great question that you can ask children to really begin to understand the parts of themselves. You’ll definitely want to have this question in your play therapy toolbox! 

Enjoy this conversation that will take you beyond textbook understanding of dissociation and demystify what dissociation looks like for our clients (.... and even for ourselves)!

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Special: Are Toys Necessary in Play Therapy?27 Jun 202300:24:18

Original Air Date: Jan 20, 2021

As a play therapist have you ever experienced this or felt stressed thinking ...

*"OMG, I don't have enough toys in the playroom" ...

*" I don't have the right kind of toys"... 

*"I need a certain kind of toy because I work with children who have these issues"...

*"I live in a part of the world that doesn't have access to toys"...

*Or, "I'm a play therapist, I'm supposed to have toys"

In this episode, Lisa asks the question - Are toys really necessary in play therapy? .... 

Join Lisa for this important conversation and dig a little deeper to explore: 

  • What really is at the root of play therapy
  • What is the purpose of the toy
  • How to facilitate a child's process even if toys in the traditional sense are not available, and
  • What really is the most essential toy in the playroom

This episode is dedicated to therapists around the world who may have limited access to toys 💜

"With the understanding that a toy can be anything at all, we transcend cultural barriers and socioeconomic status to focus on the relationship and use whatever is in the environment. We also honor that the greatest toy in the playroom is really you, the therapist!" -Lisa Dion

148. Stacy Jagger: Helping Kids & Families Navigate Screen Time Balance20 Jun 202300:46:37

We’re so excited for today’s topic (...it’s definitely a hot topic) and the amazing guest that is joining Lisa. Stacy Jagger is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and Registered Play Therapist-Supervisor (RPT-S), as well as an AAMFT Approved Supervisor. A native of Nashville, Stacy is the founder and clinical director of Music City Family Therapy. She is the author of 30 Day Blackout, as well as the children's book, A Letter from Emma. She’s also a regular guest on the local NBC affiliate show “Today in Nashville” and has frequently been featured as a child expert for the local morning and evening news. 

In this episode, Stacy will talk about how, for many families, the way screens (computers, phones, tvs, etc.) are used, can become a distraction from connection or dealing with deeper issues in families, as well as a cause for much of the dysregulation that we see in kids’ nervous systems. She’ll also share ways that we can help families start to manage their screen time use and return to a new “normal” where connection and relationship is the focus.

Join Lisa and Stacy for this powerful conversation to support your child clients and their families. Here’s what you’ll learn:

  • The potential impact of screen time for children;
  • How to assess a child and family’s screen time usage and connect to the child/family’s treatment goals;
  • Ways to support families in disconnecting from screens and shifting the focus on connection back to self and family; 
  • What it looks like to re-calibrate a child and family’s collective nervous system through a 30-day digital detox (blackout/greyout); and 
  • How to artfully come back to a new normal after a blackout period. 

If you’re curious and want to see if you (or your family) might benefit from a 30-Day Blackout, Take the quiz here. It’s also a great resource for your clients!

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Special: Behind the Microphone - An Interview with Lisa Dion13 Jun 202300:26:45

This episode aired on Oct 5, 2020.

To her thousands of listeners around the world, Lisa expresses in gratitude, "Thank you for providing me with a sense of home." 

It's time to turn the tables! For several years, Lisa has shared play therapy knowledge and insights, interviewed special guests and helped create discussion and new learning for clinicians all over the world. But who is this person behind the microphone?

In this episode, Lisa is the one in the hot seat as she is interviewed by Katherine Eastlake, Certified Synergetic Play Therapist and Supervisor. Katherine takes Lisa all the way back to her very first play therapy session, the play therapy influences in her life, why she created the Lessons from the Playroom podcast, how the podcast helps her connect to a global feeling of home, and so much more.

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147. Where We are Now as an Amazing Play Therapy Field!06 Jun 202300:24:24

Synergetic Play Therapy is celebrating 15 years 🎉 (... and Lisa is also celebrating her birthday this week 🥳) … And it’s a perfect time to reflect on this amazing field of play therapy that we’re all a part of including where we started as a field and where we’re headed (.... yes, there will be a bit of predicting the future happening 🚀✨).

Join Lisa as she talks about the journey of the mental health field at large and how that has influenced the play therapy field … how we started with a focus on changing behaviors… then moving more deeply into an appreciation for the body and its importance in the healing process … the influence of neuroscience, interpersonal neurobiology, and the Polyvagal Theory … a greater understanding of the role of the therapist and the therapist’s contribution to the healing process (... you are the most important toy in the playroom after all 💕) … and where Lisa thinks we’re headed as a field (hint: it has to do with the role of mind and perception and science).

This is one episode you’re not going to want to miss!

*Celebrate with us! Enjoy $15 off any of our 1-3 hour courses through the month of June! That’s 50% off all of our 1-hour courses. Use coupon code “Celebrate15” at checkout. Sale ends July 9th.

And thank you to all of our listeners!  We’re nearing one million downloads and, whether you started out with us in 2017 when we launched this podcast or only just recently found your way here, we couldn’t be more thrilled to have you as part of our weekly conversations and journey. Sending love and gratitude to you all! 💕

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Special: Jayson Gaddis: Embracing Conflict in our Personal & Professional Relationships30 May 202300:40:57

Original Air Date: Aug 30, 2022

Lisa is joined by an incredibly important person in her life - an individual that she is excited to introduce you to (...someone outside the field of play therapy that you may not have heard of) - Jayson Gaddis is an author, podcaster, speaker, “personal trainer for relationships”, and is a global leader on interpersonal conflict and connection.

In this episode, Lisa & Jayson explore conflict and how it shows up in all our relationships - the relationships we have with our clients, their parents/caregivers, and in our personal relationships. Plus you'll learn ...

  • 2 reasons why conflict is so hard to talk about;
  • A new view/understanding of conflict that you've likely not considered before;
  • Why being overly-careful in relationships is a disservice, even in your therapeutic relationships;
  • How to lean into the uncomfortable experience of conflict and embrace conflict in all relationships);
  • How to recognize and start to work with your own activation (transference/countertransference) within your relationships; and
  • Tips to navigate hard conversations in both personal and professional relationships (including what L.U.F.U stands for and the 3 most impactful words you can say to transform any relationship).

You’ll also hear Jayson and Lisa role play and model what these hard conversations can look and feel like - super fun!

Podcast Resources: 

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146. Attunement: The Heart of the Therapeutic Relationship23 May 202300:29:34

Join Lisa to talk about attunement and how it is such an important part of the therapeutic relationship. But why is it that important you might ask … In our play therapy sessions, we can follow the script, say the right words, go down the therapeutic checklist, but if we are not attuned to our clients (or ourselves), our clients will walk away likely feeling not seen, not felt, and not met by us. So attunement is really the heart of the therapeutic exchange between us and our clients! (...by the way, the same is true in the parent-child dynamic)

Join Lisa in a conversation and … 

  • Expand your understanding of what attunement is and what it is not;
  • Find out what gets in the way of us being attuned to our clients;
  • Learn how to develop attunement at a deeper level for your clients (...to create an experience for your client where they feel energetically and emotionally met by us); and
  • How to “explain” the felt-sense experience of attunement with a parent or caregiver

Lisa shares a really beautiful experience she had at a play therapist training where she was role playing with another therapist and how she might have missed a really critical piece of the play therapist’s experience if it wasn’t for the power of attunement. 

A final message - Thank you for being on the receiving end of the conversation today; for feeling with Lisa today; and allowing yourself to learn ways to bring in attunement more into your play therapy sessions so your clients can feel deeply seen, deeply met, and deeply heard by you. 

Podcast Resources: 

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Special: A Conversation about Self-Esteem in Play Therapy16 May 202300:26:38

Original Air Date: Aug 2, 2022

Join Lisa in exploring a topic that is relevant to every single person on the planet and particularly inspired by a conversation Lisa had with her daughter who is now almost 17 years old. 

In this episode, you're invited to think about self-esteem in a new or different way so you can support your clients at a deeper level when self-esteem is the thing they are struggling with.

Learn ….

  • A new reframe on understanding self-worth and how it translates to our work with clients;
  • Why everyone has both low and high self-esteem (and the purpose of it);
  • The correlation between self-worth and nervous system activation;
  • How to support clients who feel they are struggling with low self-esteem/self-worth; and
  • How to support parents/caregivers when they are the ones struggling with feeling not good enough and like an inadequate parent/caregiver. 

Plus, you’ll hear a 17-year-old's amazing definition of what "high self-esteem" can look like and feel like and what "low self-esteem" can look like and feel like- it just might be the best nugget of the entire podcast!

Podcast Resources: 

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Special: Demystifying Dissociation in Play Therapy: A Conversation with Annie Monaco01 Apr 202500:40:24

Original Air Date: July 4, 2023

In this groundbreaking episode, Lisa is joined by the brilliant Annie Monaco to tackle a topic that’s rarely discussed but essential to our work as play therapists: dissociation. With her extensive experience in EMDR Therapy, attachment, and dissociation in children, Annie brings invaluable insights to help therapists deepen their understanding of this complex phenomenon.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

  • A practical, usable definition of dissociation and how it shows up in client sessions;
  • How dissociation reflects a child’s inner struggles and manifests in their behavior;
  • The connection between dissociation and complex or developmental trauma;
  • Ways to cultivate compassion for all the parts of a child—an essential component of their healing journey;
  • Activities and strategies to help children explore and integrate the parts of themselves in therapy.

Annie also shares a powerful question to add to your play therapy toolbox—a game-changer for understanding the inner world of your clients.

🎧 Join this enlightening conversation that goes beyond textbook definitions, offering real-world tools and strategies to support children in their path to healing. Get ready to demystify dissociation and transform your practice!

Podcast Resources: 

* If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.

145. Rachel Altvater: Perspective: How We Come to See Ourselves, Others & the World09 May 202300:48:45

In this next Lessons from the Playroom episode, we’re going in a totally different direction. Lisa Dion has a very special guest to talk about perspective - a topic we often don’t talk about enough (... or in some cases, at all!) and the significance of it in our work as therapists and as beings walking through the world. 

Lisa’s special guest is the lovely Dr. Rachel Altvater (Psy.D., RPT-S™). Rachel is an award-winning, pioneering expert, leader, researcher, international trainer, author, and supervisor in the field of play therapy. Her book, “Perspective: Contemplating the Complexities of Our Realities" was just recently published (...and is the main topic of discussion for this episode). She has also published her research in the International Journal of Play Therapy on technology use in play therapy, and is a contributing author in numerous scholarly texts on implementing digital technologies in play therapy practice.

Join Rachel and Lisa in this highly thought provoking and human normalizing conversation that will start to create an alignment with who you are and the perspectives that you hold about yourself. 

You’ll learn about:

  • The birth of Rachel’s new book, Perspective: Contemplating the Complexities of Our Realities,  and how her “brain vomit” practice helped it come into “perspective”;
  • How you come to see yourself, others, and the world (...really how you become who you are!);
  • Why understanding perspective is so important for you to know as a therapist (or as any human being);
  • How to explore the perspectives that you’re holding about yourself (...Rachel gives several questions you can start asking yourself today); and
  • Questions that will expand your awareness about what perspectives you might be holding about others (including your clients).

Enjoy this oh so lovely conversation that ends with a beautiful transition message from Rachel to you - You will never know how far your ripples of healing and connection expand into this world, but the more aligned you are with yourself, the further these ripples will expand in the direction they need to go. 

Podcast Resources: 

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Special: Eliana Gil: Cultural Issues in Play Therapy02 May 202300:48:22

 

Original Air Date: August 31, 2021

What does it really mean to be culturally competent?...

To help us kick off the next 100 episodes, Lisa is joined by a truly amazing individual who is a leader in our play therapy field - Dr. Eliana Gil. Likely you have heard of her 😉 ... Dr. Eliana Gil is the founding partner of the Gil Institute for Trauma Recovery & Education. As one of the pioneers for working with trauma in the play therapy field, she's written several books read by countless therapists worldwide. She's also the former president of the Association for Play Therapy and received APT's Lifetime Achievement award in 2011.

Join Lisa and Eliana in a conversation about:

  • What it means to become culturally competent as a therapist 
  • Steps to building an anti-racist and culturally-informed practice 
  • Ways to respond when children are exploring racism and cultural issues in the playroom 
  • How to dive deep within yourself to move from not just reflection, but ACTION! 

You’re invited to think through how cultural issues can show up in your work as a play therapist. And to get curious about when these conversations need to happen, how to do it authentically, and based on your own training.

Eliana ends with a beautiful message about growing and deepening into your experience as a play therapist.

Podcast Resources: 

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144. A Discussion on Reflective and Relational Play Therapy Supervision25 Apr 202300:37:33

Join Lisa Dion for a really important and special conversation about a topic that has never been discussed in this entire podcast series … It's about supervision. And not just any type of supervision, but reflective-relational kinds of supervision.

Some of you may likely be engaged in your own supervision and some of you may be supervisors ... you're encouraged to listen to this conversation in whatever way you feel is most meaningful for you. 

To have this conversation, Lisa has three very important people in her life - Polly Douglass, Kim Buller, and Khris Rolfe are three extraordinary play therapists and supervisors and some of the top supervisors at the Synergetic Play Therapy Institute. They've been trained not only in Synergetic Play Therapy, but in multiple other modalities, and have a beautiful perspective about how to do this thing we call supervision in a way that is incredibly reflective and relational. 

In this episode, you'll learn:

  • What it means to be reflective and relational in supervision;
  • How to cultivate a reflective and relational supervisor-supervisee relationship;
  • What it means to be the external regulator for a supervisee; 
  • How to support a supervisee in becoming more embodied in their work as a play therapist; and 
  • How to offer an empowering supervision experience for a supervisee that ultimately develops their trust within themselves as a therapist. 

Listen to this conversation that weaves together a beautiful tapestry of reflection and relationship within the supervisor-supervisee experience, and one that allows for the play therapist to “feel” about their client instead of just “think” about their client. 

Podcast Resources: 

* If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.

 

143. Ann Beckley-Forest: Working with Adoption & Attachment Trauma/Wounding18 Apr 202300:47:40

Lisa Dion’s next guest has made quite the name for herself in the world of EMDR Therapy (although this is not a conversation about EMDR Therapy, if you work with the population that we’re talking about today, you might want to consider some EMDR training 😉). Join Ann Beckley-Forest and Lisa in an inspiring conversation … one that is also quite near and dear to Ann’s heart … that will help you conceptualize how to work with children and families when adoption, foster care, or some kind of placement experience is part of the child’s life story. 

Ann is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Registered Play Therapist-Supervisor (RPT-S), Certified in EMDR Therapy and an approved provider for EMDRIA, faculty member of the Child Trauma Institute, and co-founder of Playful EMDR LLC Training and Consulting. Ann, with Annie Monaco, also wrote a fabulous book called “EMDR with Children in the Play Therapy Room: An Integrated Approach” - it’s truly a foundational book if you use EMDR Therapy and work with children.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

  • What attachment trauma or attachment wounding is (... as Shirley Jean Schmidt says, the idea of “the important good things that didn’t happen”);
  • How a movement powered by adoptees has helped us take a look at language, stance and attitudes around adoption, as well as how to honor all the parts of the “adoption triad”;  
  • The impact to the collective adoptive family nervous system and how adoptive/foster parents inherently vicariously acquire the child’s trauma history;
  • One of the major reasons for unprocessed trauma in childhood and how we can address it in sessions; and
  • Different reparative treatment approaches when working with children with attachment trauma or attachment wounding (hint: it’s not about cognitive processes, but ultimately attuned experiences).

We hope that you’ll find a lot of value in this conversation and that you’ll continue to learn and study about this topic … because the odds of you, as a play therapist, having a child walk through your door that has an adoption or foster care or some kind of placement experience in their history is, well, let’s just say, quite high. You’re invited to start/continue your learning journey on this topic with Ann and Lisa today!

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Special: Medical Trauma in Play Therapy11 Apr 202300:25:47

Original Air Date: July 17, 2019

Medical trauma can be prevalent for many children who have undergone medical procedures or experienced chronic and acute conditions. And it can show up in the playroom in a variety of ways, including in ways that can lead the therapist to jump to conclusions.

Listen in to explore how to not only help children who have experienced this type of trauma but how to minimize future trauma as well.

"One of the best ways to reduce medical trauma is by making the unknown known. Children need information and lots of it." - Lisa Dion

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Special: Sueann Kenney-Noziska: Working With Childhood Sexual Abuse04 Apr 202300:40:21

Original Air Date: December 21, 2021

This has been one of the most requested topics – Working With Childhood Sexual Abuse 

Lisa Dion is joined by Sueann Kenney-Noziska whose work with sexually abused children and adolescents is absolutely remarkable. In addition to maintaining a full-time private practice, she is internationally recognized as an esteemed author, guest lecturer, and professional speaker (… a phenomenal speaker!). Sueann has been educating therapists, courts, and community partners for years regarding the impact of trauma, dynamics of sexual abuse, delayed disclosure, and other matters pertaining to childhood abuse and trauma. 

This episode is packed with so much information, you might want a paper and pen to take notes. And join them in a conversation to explore: 

  • Challenges (and rewards) of working with this population
  • Common dynamics that occur during sexual abuse
  • The disclosure process and why it’s so hard for children/teenagers to disclose
  • Ways to support parents in building relationships with their children for future open dialogue/disclosure
  • How the trauma narrative can look differently for these children and in a play therapy process
  • Ways to navigate this work while taking care of yourself to prevent vicarious trauma/compassion fatigue

Listen to this episode and let Sueann’s wisdom give you insight and clarity on working with this very special population through the play therapy process.

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142. The Impact of Trauma Exposure on Therapists28 Mar 202300:33:40

This next episode is so unbelievably important (maybe even critical) for you as a therapist to hear … Join Lisa for a conversation about this not so widely discussed topic - the impact of trauma exposure on therapists (or really for anyone in a helping role).

As a therapist (or helper of any kind), we've chosen a profession that puts us directly on the frontline. We are required to be right there in the midst of trauma exposure, day-in and day-out, session after session. We’re asked to listen, witness, play through the trauma, and experience the trauma alongside our clients. The old adage that the therapist stays an objective observer when facilitating someone else is, well, impossible. 

Ultimately, we can’t avoid being impacted by exposure to another’s trauma/crisis/challenge and, as a result, we’re susceptible to compassion fatigue, vicarious trauma, or secondary traumatization. 

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • How we always experience a secondary impact when working with clients who have/are experiencing trauma, crisis or challenge;
  • What happens when we are impacted by the same trauma, crisis or challenge that our clients are experiencing;
  • What happens when our own unresolved trauma comes into the playroom (guaranteed it happens more frequently than we give ourselves permission to be aware of); and 
  • How to reconnect back to ourselves both outside the playroom and during those moments of activation in the therapy session. 

Listen and take a moment to connect/reconnect with yourself. Find some time to reflect on this extraordinary profession that you’re part of and the sacrifices you’re making; hear ways to help mitigate the impact (hint: it starts with learning how to be with ourselves through the impact); and then start to create a lifestyle that supports this career we’ve chosen. 

You are extraordinary! Much love on the journey 💕

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Special: Pre-Teens & Teens in Play Therapy21 Mar 202300:25:54

Original Air Date: August 2, 2021

Join Lisa Dion as she demystifies working with pre-teens and teens and shares how to apply your play therapy skill set to this population (hint: you actually don't need to change much of what you're already doing 😉).

She'll also tell you the reason that you might feel awkward, not good enough, unsure, and confused as therapists when working with this age group, as well as give strategies and techniques to support the pre-teen and teen to discover their authentic self.

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141. Dr. Risë VanFleet: Filial Therapy & Supporting Parents in Becoming the Primary Change Agent14 Mar 202300:48:38

Another pioneer in the field of play therapy joins Lisa for this next episode. Lisa is super excited to be joined by Dr. Risë VanFleet (learn about her amazing background below*) for a conversation about Filial Therapy and how parents and caregivers can become a change agent for their child.

Join Risë and Lisa in this insightful discussion that will enhance your child client’s therapy experience through their relationship with their parent/caregiver and deepen your commitment to the model.

You’ll also hear how Risë entered the field of play therapy and learn …

  • The history of Filial Therapy and the theoretical elements that make the model successful;
  • How Filial Therapy is a psychoeducational model (vs. a medical model)
  • The 7 key aspects that make up Filial Therapy and create the elegance of the model;
  • How parents/caregivers become the primary change agent for their child; and
  • How to combine Filial Therapy with other therapeutic interventions.

*Dr. Risë VanFleet is a Licensed Psychologist (PA), Registered Play Therapist-Supervisor and specializes in Animal Assisted Play Therapy™, Filial Therapy, play therapy, chronic medical illness in families, disaster mental health, complex trauma and attachment issues, as well as animal welfare and behavior.  She’s also the President of the Family Enhancement & Play Therapy Center, Inc., in Boiling Springs, Pennsylvania, an organization specializing in the training and supervision of child, family, and play therapy professionals. She is the founder and president of the International Institute for Animal Assisted Play Therapy®.

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Special: Giving Children Permission to Feel in Play Therapy07 Mar 202300:24:50

Original Air Date: March 30, 2021

Sometimes we think we're feeling when we're not ... Sometimes we think we're creating space for our clients to feel when we're not ... And sometimes we are encouraging avoidance when it's hard to stay in our window of tolerance.

Join Lisa in this podcast that's all about reflecting on our own inner experience and understanding this lifelong journey we're all on of learning how to feel at deeper levels so we can help our clients do the same - It's an invitation to look at our relationship with our emotions and how that impacts our clients.

As well as getting curious about the parents/caregivers' experience with their own emotional landscape and how to help them to really understand the importance of being with the child's emotions instead of trying to fix/change/make it better.

Other podcastepisodes that might be helpful on your journey of becoming aware of the feelings that you try to numb, avoid, move away from or that tend to flood and make it difficult to stay in your window of tolerance are:

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189. Navigating ADHD Through Play Therapy: Dual Perspectives for Therapists and Caregivers25 Mar 202500:53:38

“Every child has the capacity to heal and grow, but it starts with meeting them where they are—with respect, curiosity, and an understanding of their unique needs.” – Lisa Dion

In this episode, Lisa sits down with Tony Vallance from the Building Better Brains Clinic for a conversation about supporting children with ADHD through play therapy. ADHD is often misunderstood, but with the right tools and understanding, play therapists can help children tap into their strengths while navigating the challenges they face.

This conversation also explores ADHD from a dual perspective—not only through the experiences of the children we work with but also by reflecting on how therapists who identify as neurodivergent or have ADHD/ADD engage with their clients. How do we navigate the "mirrors" or parts of ourselves we see reflected in the children we serve?

Together, Lisa and Tony dive into:

  • What Play Therapists Need to Know About ADHD: Tony explains the core characteristics of ADHD and how play therapy can help children manage the unique challenges of ADHD.
  • Creating ADHD-Friendly Play Spaces: Practical tips on designing sensory-friendly, ADHD-conscious therapeutic environments that foster emotional regulation and focus.
  • The ADHD Brain and Its Impact on Behavior: Insights into how ADHD affects cognitive functioning and behavior, and how play therapy helps children build strategies for resilience.
  • Supporting Caregivers and Challenging Stigma: The importance of empowering parents and caregivers, and how to combat the societal stigma placed on children with ADHD.
  • Integrating ADHD Strategies into Play Therapy: Practical strategies for play therapists to create more inclusive and effective therapy sessions.

This episode will help therapists reflect on their own experiences, both as professionals and as individuals who may share similar neurodivergent traits with their clients. Tony’s wealth of knowledge and lived-experiences provide valuable guidance for clinicians and caregivers alike.

Tune in to explore the many perspectives on ADHD in play therapy and learn how to adjust your approach to make your practice more inclusive and supportive of neurodivergent children. 🌟

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140. How to Teach Parents & Caregivers to Become External Regulators28 Feb 202300:25:44

In this episode, Lisa revisits the topic of parents and caregivers and discusses one of the most commonly asked questions that she is asked - how to support and offer parents and caregivers templates so they can regulate themselves and ultimately regulate with their child when their child is dysregulated. 

Imagine being able to offer parents in the therapeutic journey co-regulatory moments to help repattern their nervous system and that supports them in being their child’s external regulator - It’s really so powerful!!

Here’s what you will learn in this episode: 

  • How the parent/caregiver can show up in the therapy process in some form of dysregulation and what they need;

  • How to use the Synergetic Play Therapy concept of “The Set Up” or “Offering” to understand the parent at a deeper level;

  • Why it’s important to not dismiss the felt sense of what’s arising inside ourselves and how to connect with our own activation first before becoming the external regulator for the parent; 

  • What it looks like to teach parents/caregivers to become external regulators including how to develop within them regulatory templates they can use when in relationship with their child; 

  • Key things to recognize when working with parents/caregivers to create new templates and templates they may not have for regulation; and

  • Being able to support the parents/caregivers in shifting their perception of their child’s behavior in a way that allows for spaciousness and connection. 

Join Lisa and consider this important question - Are we willing to do what we can to create new templates for parents and caregivers, and based on our therapeutic approach, how might we do that? 

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Special: Lauren Porter: Yoga & Play Therapy21 Feb 202300:36:34

Original Air Date: January 18, 2022

Lisa Dion’s next special guest is a Certified SPT therapist, coach, mom and yoga instructor. Lisa has known her for years – all the way back to when Lauren worked in Cape Town, South Africa. 

Listen as Lauren Porter and Lisa talk about how to make Yoga a practice that can support you as a therapist and redefine and unpack yoga in a way that maybe you haven’t considered… 

…And how getting to know yourself more and experiencing a widening of your window of tolerance for your emotional states can help your practice as a therapist tenfold. 

Whether you’re experienced in yoga or not, deepen your understanding of the possibility of how yoga can support you in being with your clients in more embodied ways. 

You’ll discover:

  • What yoga is really about (hint: it’s not to help you feel better)
  • How yoga gives understanding to both the conceptual world and the embodied YOU
  • How to overcome the mental, emotional and physical blocks that prevent you (and all of us) from having a lived experience 
  • How to use yoga as a practice for knowing yourself more and why it’s so important to consider if you’re a therapist
  • How yoga can “hold you” in times of flooding or overwhelm
  • The connection between yoga and [one of Lisa’s favorite concepts) Interoception
  • All the ways that a yoga practice can look (…the answer might surprise you)

Listen to today’s episode and expand your capacity for accessing the ventral vagal response so that you’re able to stay connected to yourself with whatever is happening in you and around you (…playroom included). 

And before she goes, Lauren guides you through an exercise to unlock the diaphragm (…it’s perfect for when someone says, “take a deep breath” and you can’t – because this absolutely happens sometimes … or more times than we want to count). 

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139. Dr. Robert Jason Grant: AutPlay Therapy - Working with Neurodivergent Children & their Families14 Feb 202300:39:35

Dr. Robert Jason Grant, creator of AutPlay Therapy joins Lisa to discuss AutPlay Therapy as an integrative family play therapy approach designed to address the mental health needs of neurodivergent children and their families. 

Robert Jason Grant is a Licensed Professional Counselor, National Certified Counselor, Registered Play Therapist Supervisor, Consultant, Trainer, and Neurodiversity Advocate. Robert has a deep understanding of sensory differences, Autism, ADHD, implementing play therapy with groups and play therapy theories.  His development of AutPlay Therapy provides therapists with a play therapy approach that addresses the mental health needs of neurodivergent children and their families.

Listen as Robert shares his practical experiences and insight to help therapists understand the importance of “play preferences” to respect a child’s presentation and how therapists can make play therapy a safe space for neurodivergent and neurotypical clients.

Plus you’ll learn …

  • How and why Robert developed AutPlay® Therapy and how you can incorporate it into your practice working with kids with sensory issues;

  • A definition of neurodivergence and the connection between neurodivergent and neurotypical; 

  • What the Neurodiversity Paradigm is and how to put it into practice; 

  • How to help a child feel seen, and treated with love and respect at a deeper level; and

  • How to incorporate more neurodiversity affirming practices and principles into your therapeutic practice.

This special episode touches on many amazing topics that you’ll find valuable and will help you grow as a therapist to support this misunderstood population to address their mental health needs. And you’ll feel Robert’s love, compassion and empathy for his clients that are neurodivergent and neurotypical - just beautiful! 

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Special: Translating the Play to Parents/Caregivers07 Feb 202300:23:06

Original Air Date: January 4, 2022

Lisa is jumping into another most requested topic – Translating the Play to Parents/Caregivers. In this episode you’ll find out why this can be such a challenge for play therapists, but oh-so important!

Learn 4 tips for how to translate the child’s play to parents/ caregivers including how to:

  • Set the stage early on in the process for parents about what they can expect and to honor/protect the confidentiality of what’s going on in the room with the child client.
  • Develop or enhance parent buy-in within the therapeutic process. 
  • Translate what the child is doing in the room to the parents (being able to shift from a right-brain experience to a left-brain process)
  • Maintain congruence and authenticity when explaining to parents what’s happening in the child’s process 

Note: If it’s helpful, you might want to return to podcast episode #13 to discover how to set great goals in the playroom.

We know it’s tough work being a play therapist – a gentle reminder to give yourself grace and time in the process, as well as know that you’re doing an amazing job already and it’s good enough – You are the most important toy in the playroom. 

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138. Joyce Mills: StoryPlay® & How Stories Are Medicine for the Soul31 Jan 202300:51:57

Lisa has another amazing guest speaker joining her - Dr. Joyce Mills to talk about StoryPlay®, an Ericksonian, resiliency-based, indirective process of Play Therapy that draws upon the natural inner resources, skills, and strengths of each child, adolescent, adult or family member to effect transformational healing, growth, and change.

Dr. Joyce C. Mills is a nationally and internationally recognized storyteller, keynote presenter, workshop leader, consultant, trauma specialist, and program developer for health-care, psychological, educational, and community organizations. Founder of  StoryPlay, Dr. Mills is the recipient of the 1997 Play Therapy International Award for outstanding career contributions to the field of Play Therapy Training and Child Psychology. She is also the author and co-author of seven books including the award-winning Therapeutic Metaphors for Children and the Child Within, Sammy the Elephant and Mr. Camel, Gentle Willow, and Little Tree.

Join Lisa and Joyce in this conversation that will offer playful and serious insights on how to help children grow and heal; how to honor who the child is and create safe spaces for healing; and how, through Joyce’s own personal story of raising a son with cerebral palsy, she found a path to help parents and caregivers who were struggling. 

Plus you’ll learn …

  • How to identify, access, and utilize the inner resources, skills, and gifts within our clients as invaluable gems to move beyond diagnosis;
  • How to recognize a parent or caregiver’s struggle;
  • The importance of resilience which is what StoryPlay is all about;
  • The difference between directive and indirective play therapy models;
  • The essential elements of the StoryPlay model;
  • How to use the Therapeutic Metaphors process to effect transformational change.

Listen and discover Joyce’s natural ability to tell stories and how stories are the medicine of the soul! She’s a true gift to our field 

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Special: Ana Gomez: EMDR Therapy & Kids24 Jan 202300:45:30

Original Air Date: November 9, 2021

This guest, from a young age, wanted to be both a philosopher and a pilot … while life took her down a different path, she has since translated the “mysteries” of EMDR Therapy when working with children for thousands of therapists worldwide … and taken many of her clients on a journey to places within themselves, giving them wings to soar! 

Ana Gomez is the founder of the AGATE Institute and has focused her career on working with complex and developmental trauma, healing generational wounds, and understanding dissociative patterns.

Join Ana and Lisa in a discussion about EMDR Therapy with kids where Ana gives understanding to:

  • What is EMDR Therapy and how it can be applied to your child clients;
  • How to support your child clients in developing a relationship with their inner world;
  • How attunement is key in the healing process; and 
  • The importance of doing your own “work” as a therapist so that you can accompany your clients on their journeys through their traumas from a more embodied perspective. 

Listen to today’s episode and receive your “wings” from an extraordinary “pilot” who so beautifully reminds us why we do what we do, the power of this work, and why we continue to show up for our child clients day in and day out. 

*Ana M Gómez, MC, LPC is the founder and director of the AGATE Institute in Phoenix, AZ. She is a psychotherapist, author, and an international speaker on the use of EMDR therapy with children and adolescents with complex and developmental trauma as well as generational wounds and dissociation. Ana is the author of EMDR Therapy and Adjunct Approaches with Children: Complex Trauma, Attachment and Dissociation and several book chapters and articles on the use of EMDR therapy with children and adolescents. In addition, she is the author of multiple children’s books and therapeutic tools.

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137. Duey Freeman: Working with Attachment from the Lens of Equine Assisted Therapy17 Jan 202300:55:18

Lisa is joined by an incredibly important person in her life - Duey Freeman, a former professor at Naropa University (Lisa’s alma mater) and founder of the Gestalt Institute of the Rockies and the Gestalt Equine Institute. Duey, a true “elder” (as he is described by many) and mentor in the field of attachment and human development, was Lisa’s former graduate school professor and has been one the most instrumental professors in her career. (see below for Duey's full bio*)

Get ready to learn about a new way to conceptualize the attachment process and human development- a theory that just may be a foundational piece of missing information in your work as a therapist, as well as how Duey uses equine therapy to re-heal attachment disruptions. This podcast isn’t just for those that work for horses - this information is a must hear for everyone! 

Here's what you'll hear in this episode … 

  • An attachment and human development theory that is usable clinically when working with people - the Freeman Attachment Cycle (Lisa integrates this model into her Synergetic Play Therapy courses);
  • The reason why we're always supporting clients in working through the first stages of development ("Is the world ok?" and "Am I ok?") whether we’re working with a child that is 3 years old or 50 years old;
  • What happens for a child when their attachment and developmental needs are not met; 
  • How to bring instinct and intuition back into all our relationships and into all our therapeutic relationships; and
  • How Duey's work with horses and equine therapy can give us greater understanding about our work in the playroom (plus you'll hear something amazing about what happens when a person is put on a horse and having them be moved by a horse...it's absolutely amazing!)

This one will not only give you an amazing new lens from which to see your client work and how to become a therapist WITH your clients, but connect you to your own attachment and life experiences at a really deep level (...It might even bring tears to your eyes).

*Duey Freeman is a sought after teacher, trainer, licensed therapist, and equine professional around the world. He has traveled to teach professionally in over 8 countries, has developed a practical attachment theory and human development theory that is taught to thousands of university students, has over 80,000 direct client hours, and co-founded both the Gestalt Equine Institute and the Gestalt Institute of the Rockies. He provides supervision to therapists and graduate students, does business and land consultations for new equine therapy sites, and models being a life-long student to your passions.

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Special: Jen Taylor & Cooperative Games in Play Therapy10 Jan 202300:29:56

Original Air Date: February 7, 2020

In this episode, Lisa is joined by special guest Jen Taylor to talk about how to use cooperative games in play therapy and how in the playroom, they are used effectively with siblings and families, reminding each player that it's not about winning; it's about the experience.

"The object of the game is not to win; the object of the game is to experience playing for the sake of playing." - Jen Taylor, LCSW, RPT-S

*Some of you might be very familiar with Jen Taylor. She's done amazing things in this world and to support play therapists worldwide. She’s a therapist, teacher and writer. She originally launched the Play Therapy Summit a few years ago and she's been a previous guest talking about cooperative games. Find her here.

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136. 3 Types of Relationships That Come Into Play When Working with Parents/Caregivers03 Jan 202300:27:36

Join Lisa for a discussion to explore three different types of relationships that come into play when working with parents/caregivers … What you’re about to hear will transform your work with parents/caregivers to create a more conscious relationship that honors both you as the therapist and the parents you work with. 

In this episode, you’ll learn ….

  • The three different types of relationships (... they can actually extend beyond the playroom to any and all relationships);
  • How these different types of relationships play out in the dynamic with parents/caregivers; 
  • Why we sometimes experience challenging relationships when working with parents/caregivers; and
  • How to develop and create a space that allows parents/caregivers to show up as themselves and explore who they are with us.

Listen and also find out how these different types of relationships potentially impact your nervous system and what you can do to stay connected to yourself so that you can honor both yours and the parent's/caregiver's unique rhythms and needs.

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Special: Sonya Joyce: Healing Touch in Play Therapy27 Dec 202200:31:54

Original Air Date: January 15, 2021

Join Lisa Dion and guest Sonya Joyce as they discuss perhaps one of the most important topics in the play therapy process - touch!

"Whether we like it or not, touch is a part of the play therapy experience." ... With this in mind, they explore ways to become more mindful and thoughtful about how to bring healing touch to children in the playroom, how to create a neuroception of safety around touch, how to model healthy boundaries and creative ways to bring touch into the child's experience, and the ramifications if healing touch does not happen for our child clients.

Guest Sonya Joyce is a Child/Adolescent Psychotherapist in Ireland, trained in Play and Art Therapy. She offers, "I noticed that children were always leading me into play in my Art therapy sessions and this led me to study play further, firstly dipping my feet in the water with a short course in Therapeutic Play Skills, and then embarking on a 4 year Masters Course in Creative Psychotherapy and Play Therapy with the Children’s Therapy Centre, County Westmeath, Ireland. During this time I began work with an organisation working with children and young people who have experienced sexual abuse."

To read the Sonya's full dissertation - "What Did I Do?" - An Exploration of the Inner Experiences of Child and Adolescent Psychotherapists When Touch Arises in the Playroom: https://synergeticplaytherapy.com/what-did-i-do-when-touch-arises-in-the-playroom/

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Special: Embracing Messy Play: Navigating Messes in the Playroom with Synergetic Wisdom18 Mar 202500:30:38

Original Air Date: July 19, 2022

In this playful and insightful episode, Lisa is joined by Certified Synergetic Play Therapists Andrea Davidson, Johanna Simmons, and Rachel Freeburg for a lively discussion on the beauty and power of messes in the playroom. From spilled paint to sensory chaos, they dive into the therapeutic opportunities that arise when we embrace the mess.

Here’s what you’ll discover:

  • How to explain and normalize messy play to parents and caregivers, helping them see its value;
  • Turning messes into teachable moments for boundaries, containment, and personal growth;
  • Supporting children in expressing themselves and meeting sensory needs through messy play;
  • Deciding when (and when not) to have a child clean up based on their treatment goals;
  • Tools and strategies for therapists to stay within their window of tolerance when messiness gets overwhelming; and
  • How to understand and approach messes through the lens of nervous system regulation and dysregulation.

🎧 Tune in to transform how you see messes in the playroom and discover practical tips for integrating messy play into your practice with confidence and ease. Let’s get messy! 🎨✨

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135. Cathy Malchiodi: Expressive Arts Therapy & Play for Deeper Trauma Healing20 Dec 202200:50:24

Lisa has another really special guest joining her … Dr. Cathy Malchiodi is the Founder & Director of the Trauma Informed Practices and Expressive Arts Therapy Institute. She has done countless presentations around the world and written some amazing books, one that she wrote several years ago is still one of Lisa’s all time favorite books - Understanding Children’s Drawings.

Cathy is one of the pioneers in Expressive Arts Therapy. In this episode, you’ll learn what Expressive Arts Therapy is and the importance of “rhythmic synchronization” and “action-oriented” interventions to support clients in sensory integration and trauma healing. You’ll also be introduced to a new way to conceptualize the client’s “Window of Tolerance” that is more about expanding the client’s capacity for trauma integration and playfulness.  

Join a grounding conversation that will take you beyond the use of specific techniques to support your clients in reclaiming and expanding their capacity for full expression of their authentic self.  

"Trauma reduces our capacity for expression through movement, sound, enactment, image making, and play. Our job is to help people reclaim that capacity -- to manifest a full range of restorative expression and reparative playfulness." - Cathy Malchiodi, PhD from Handbook of Expressive Arts Therapy

*Cathy Malchiodi is the Executive Director of the Trauma-Informed Practices and Expressive Arts Therapy Institute. She works as a consultant to the Department of Defense and an investigator on a five-year grant with the US Department of Education, integrating trauma-informed expressive arts into classrooms. A popular presenter and workshop leader, she has given over 700 keynotes and workshops (...pretty much you name the country and Cathy has probably been there to present in some capacity). She has authored 20 books including her most recent, "Handbook of Expressive Arts Therapy." You’ll find a sample chapter by clicking the book title for free!

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Special: Robyn Gobbel: Working with Parents of Children with Complex Trauma13 Dec 202200:31:39

Original Air Date: May 25, 2021

How do we let parents know, that we know, how important they are in their child’s life? How can we stay grounded and connected to ourselves as play therapists when we find ourselves triggered or activated when working with overwhelmed parents? And how can we offer an “I see you” relational experience for parents that are experiencing complex trauma in their family system?

Robyn Gobbel joins Lisa in this episode to answer these very questions. Not only do they discuss the value of working with these parents/caregivers and what to do when we feel stuck, but more importantly how to embrace working with parents in the play therapy process, honor the role they play in their child’s lives, and move from “ I should work with parents” to loving and adoring working with parents/families where complex trauma is part of their lives.

*Robyn Gobbel is a writer, trainer, speaker, and educator dedicated to understanding why humans behave the way they behave. She teaches parents of children who have experienced trauma how the brain works, why behaviors are simply an externalization of what's happening in the brain, body, and nervous system, and how to respond to children's behaviors in a way that creates healing, not just behavior change. Robyn hosts the Parenting After Trauma podcast. Find her on her website here: https://robyngobbel.com/

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134. Arielle Schwartz: Intergenerational Trauma & Play Therapy06 Dec 202200:42:10

Have you ever wondered what intergenerational trauma can look like when it shows up in a play therapy session?  If so, you have also likely wondered what you can do to support both the child and the parent to integrate the trauma.

In this episode, Lisa Dion is joined by Dr. Arielle Schwartz (you might know her from the amazing books she’s published including “The Complex PTSD Workbook” or “The Post Traumatic Growth Guidebook), to discuss this very topic.

You will learn:

  • What intergenerational trauma is and what it can look like in play therapy sessions
  • How to cultivate your own trans-generational resilience and develop generational empathy (that you can then model to your clients and their parents/caregivers); 
  • What to do when your own intergenerational trauma shows up in a session with your clients; and
  • How practicing self-care supports you in being a better steward of trauma for this kind of work (...learn Arielle’s own embodiment practice that she starts each day with and before meeting with clients). 

Join this lovely conversation and widen your lens beyond the client’s present day (or recent history) experience to what might be happening across generations in the parent/caregiver-child relationship, what’s happening in the family system, and even to the generational patterns and unresolved traumas generationally that are part of your client’s story.

*Arielle Schwartz, PhD, CCTP-II, E-RYT, is a licensed clinical psychologist, certified complex trauma professional, and Kripalu yoga teacher with a private practice in Boulder, Colorado. As an internationally sought-out teacher and leading voice in the healing of PTSD and complex trauma, she is the author of six books, including The Complex PTSD Workbook, Therapeutic Yoga for Trauma, and The Post-Traumatic Growth Guidebook. She is dedicated to offering informational mental health and wellness updates through her writing, public speaking, social media presence, and blog. As the founder of the Center for Resilience Informed Therapy, she offers integrative, mind-body approach to therapy including relational therapy, parts-work therapy, somatic psychology, EMDR Therapy, and therapeutic yoga for trauma. She believes that the journey of trauma recovery is an awakening of the spiritual heart. Learn more about Arielle at www.drarielleschwartz.com.

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Special: Marshall Lyles: Integrating Sandtray, Attachment & Trauma29 Nov 202200:40:49

Original Air Date: October 12, 2021

In this episode, Lisa is joined by special therapist - a gem 💖 in the play therapy field (and he’s also a poet 😉) … Marshall Lyles joins Lisa in a discussion that brings new thought, new life, and new excitement to processes and things you may have heard about for years.

Join Lisa and Marshall in conversation about …

  • The use of Sandtray therapy in healing attachment and trauma;
  • How attachment styles present for clients (and yourself) in the sandtray;
  • How to go deeply within yourself through the “sandtray mirror;”
  • Ways to navigate your own inner landscape and cultivate a “reflective practice;” and
  • How to further develop yourself as a play therapist through the modalities that you practice.

As a bonus, Marshall also shares his poem, Digging Deeper that he recently shared in the book, Advanced Sandtray Therapy. 💕

* Marshall Lyles, LPC-S, LMFT-S, RPT-S, lives in the Austin, Texas, area and has 20 years of practice in family and play therapy. Drawing on lessons learned from working with attachment trauma in a variety of mental health settings, Marshall regularly teaches on trauma, expressive therapies, and attachment-informed family work around the globe. He’s published in professional journals and magazines in addition to contributing to several books including recently co-authoring the book Advanced Sandtray Therapy (released in September 2021).

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133. The Challenges of Working with Parents & Caregivers22 Nov 202200:29:56

This time Lisa has again invited two very important people in her life to join her. Two Certified Synergetic Play Therapists both residing in Canada – Helen Ritchie and Kristina Dixon.

Join them in this conversation about working through the challenges and dilemmas that we sometimes have as therapists when working with the parents/caregivers.

Find out:

  • Why working with parents and caregivers can be more challenging than working just with our child clients.
  • How to overcome some of the biggest challenges therapists have when working with parents/caregivers.
  • How to bring a parent/caregiver into a team approach in the therapeutic process.
  • How to support the parent/caregiver with implementing strategies in the home that might help the child client (including what to do when the parent/caregiver says, “I tried that, and it didn’t work” or “that won’t work for my child”).

This podcast episode honors parents/caregivers and will open your heart around being in a therapy process together when helping your child clients heal.

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Special: When a Child Doesn't Speak in the Playroom15 Nov 202200:22:12

Original Air Date: November 13, 2017

A child’s refusal to speak inside the playroom can leave even the most seasoned therapist flustered. But connecting with clients involves much more than words. Silence can be golden when you know what it means and how to harness it. Join Lisa and find out how supporting a child in their healing process doesn't have to require words. 

"It's the child really feeling that you're with them that heals them most. Sometimes, that just doesn't require words." - Lisa Dion

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132. Play Therapy as a Spiritual Practice (Jackie Flynn interviews Lisa Dion)08 Nov 202200:49:20

In this episode the tables are turned and the lovely Jackie Flynn, host of the Play Therapy Community Podcast/Facebook group and the Neuroscience of Play Therapy Summits, interviews Lisa about how play therapy and being a play therapist has become a spiritual practice for her over the years. 

Join Lisa and Jackie as they talk about:

  • What spiritual practice means and how doing our own “work” as a therapist can become a spiritual practice;
  • How the playroom is a giant "meditation cushion" for therapists to grow within themselves as human beings; 
  • How to hold a larger perspective as a therapist and engage in a deeply self-reflective practice as a way of supporting the client in their own reflective awareness and healing journey; 
  • How the moment itself has everything we need in order to navigate whatever is arising in the client’s therapeutic work - Nothing is missing.
  • The Synergetic Play Therapy concept of “One Foot In/One Foot Out” and how this is a contemplative practice in action in the playroom; and
  • How being authentically with ourselves as therapists can support us in truly helping our clients in the most profound ways possible. 

In this episode, you’ll also hear how Lisa's very first play therapy session revealed to her, not only how to help children in their healing journey, but how to experience the playroom as a place of curiosity for what needs to be developed and worked within herself so that she could continue to develop herself as a therapist. 

A message from Lisa to all of her listeners - Give yourself permission to find safe places and connections that allow you to look inward; get curious about what parts of you are showing up in the playroom that are asking you to be in relationship with them; and a deeper invitation to be with the parts of yourself that are emerging - because as you know, you are the most important toy in the playroom.

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Special: How to Recognize Empowerment in the Playroom01 Nov 202200:23:01

Original Air Date: March 27, 2017

Therapists are so good at identifying and working with the problem, but are we as trained to also recognize empowerment? In this podcast, Lisa addresses why it can be challenging to recognize when a child is moving into empowerment, and she shares multiple strategies to help you identify when your child clients are overcoming their challenges.

"Part of play therapy is widening the child's perspective but also widening our own" - Lisa Dion

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131. Bonnie Badenoch: What Non-Judgmental Presence Really Looks Like25 Oct 202200:45:32

The one-and-only Bonnie Badenoch* joins Lisa for this beautiful conversation about non-judgmental presence and how this is so critical in our role as therapists. 

In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • How, as a profession, we've become concretized into the left hemisphere (e.g., in a movement toward protocols, interventions, and evidence-based therapies) and how this has pulled us more into the role of experts trying to "fix" people;
  • What holding a “non-judgement” presence means; 
  • What the “inner community” is, how to be aware and work with our inner community in order to be present with our clients;  
  • How to return to a non-judgmental presence in moments when we experience judgment (and how to even recognize when we’re in a place of judgment);
  • The 2 pillars of non-judgmental presence and the importance of this in our work; and
  • How to engage in our own reflective processes and having supportive others who can truly hold a nonjudgmental space for you.  

Listen to this beautiful conversation that gets us back into the right hemisphere in our work as therapists and back to trusting the wisdom of the client in their own healing process. Discover how to bring more non-judgmental presence in your clinical work and how to offer this same space for yourself.

Bonnie is moving toward retirement, and we’re so grateful that she could join. Thank you Bonnie and much love on the journey 🙏💕

*Bonnie Badenoch, LMFT, has been a therapist, mentor, teacher, and author, spending the last 17 years integrating the discoveries of relational neuroscience into the art of therapy. In 2008, she co-founded the nonprofit agency Nurturing the Heart with the Brain in Mind to offer this work to the community of therapists, healthcare providers, and others interested in becoming therapeutic presences in the world. For 30 she has supported trauma survivors and those with significant attachment wounds to reshape their neural landscapes for a life of meaning, resilience, and warm relationships. 

Her conviction that wisdom about the relational brain can support healing experiences for people at every age led to the publication of Being a Brain-Wise Therapist: A Practical Guide to Interpersonal Neurobiology in 2008 and The Brain-Savvy Therapist’s Workbook in 2011. Bonnie’s latest writing is The Heart of Trauma: Healing the Embodied Brain in the Context of Relationships (2017). These books seek to build a bridge between science and practice with clarity, compassion, and heart.

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Special: Lynn Louise Wonders: How to Not Lose Yourself in High Conflict Divorce18 Oct 202200:33:51

Original Air Date: July 20, 2021

Lisa is joined by guest Lynn Louise Wonders. Lynn is a Licensed Professional Counselor, Professional Mentor and Supervisor, Career, Parenting and Relationship Coach at Wonders Counseling Services, LLC. She’s an expert in navigating high conflict divorce and custody cases.

Listen as Lisa and Lynn Louise discuss how to not get caught in the crossfire of high conflict divorce, what your role is as the child’s therapist, and how to be present for the child so ultimately the child can know their own self and truth in what can be a highly stressful and chaotic situation.

Plus, you’ll find out how to …

  • Be proactive and prepared so you don't find yourself stuck in these often challenging and painful situations such as getting quality training, reading articles and books, and having consultation experts and seasoned supervisors on speed dial.
  • Keep attuned to the ever-changing status of your own "band-width" when working with high conflict casts. Learn how to put your own self-care first. Practice grounding and shifting into neutral gear.
  • Not let parents at war hook you into the chaotic energy of their high conflict (whether they throw that hook at you intentionally or unintentionally).
  • How to maintain the child's therapy as their “oasis” when parents are at war and be the “oasis keeper” for the child. 💗 Know your role and stay in your role, and practice this over and over again during the client case.

*Lynn Louise Wonders (www.wonderscounseling.com) is a licensed and certified professional counselor supervisor in Georgia and a registered play therapist supervisor. She is an author, trainer and professional consultant to child and family therapists around the world. She has helped thousands of therapists learn how to bridge and blend non-directive and directive play therapy approaches prescriptively through her in person and online training events since 2010. She has additional background as a yoga and meditation teacher since 1995.

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188. The Power of Poetry in Play Therapy with Hannah Young11 Mar 202500:38:40

"Every child has the capacity to heal and grow, but it starts with meeting them where they are—with respect, curiosity, and an understanding of their unique needs." – Hannah Young

In this episode, Lisa sits down with Hannah Young, an accredited play therapist, clinical supervisor, and child-parent relationship practitioner, for a deeply moving conversation about the role of poetry in play therapy. Hannah shares how poetry can serve as a bridge between a child’s inner world and therapeutic processing—offering a powerful way to witness, contain, and reflect their experiences. 

With her unique blend of clinical expertise and personal storytelling, Hannah invites us to reimagine the role of language in the playroom—not just as a form of communication, but as a gift of presence, attunement, and deep connection.

Together, Lisa and Hannah explore:

Poetry as a therapeutic tool – How writing and reflecting through poetry can deepen attunement and support self-regulation for both therapists and children.
Capturing the unsaid – Using poetry to put words to children’s experiences, especially in moments of struggle, transition, or emotional overwhelm.
Bringing case notes to life – How therapists can transform their clinical reflections into mindful, compassionate narratives.
Offering poetry back to the child – Ethical considerations, creative approaches, and the profound impact of witnessing a child’s experience through poetry.
The rhythm of healing – Understanding how poetry mirrors the tempo and flow of the therapeutic relationship.

And this episode takes an unexpected turn as Lisa is brought to tears for the first time on the podcast, moved by the depth and beauty of Hannah’s words. In a moment of profound resonance, Lisa experiences firsthand the power of poetry to touch the heart, validate emotions, and create space for healing.

Join Lisa and Hannah for this heartfelt and illuminating episode, and discover how to integrate poetry into your practice in a way that is accessible, meaningful, and transformative. ✨🔗

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130 . Exploring Adlerian Play Therapy with Terry Kottman11 Oct 202200:48:25

Lisa’s next guest has so many amazing contributions to the field of play therapy. Terry Kottman is the founder of Adlerian Play Therapy and the League of Extraordinary Adlerian Play Therapists. She is an unbelievably fun and engaging presenter and author who teaches around the world and writes about so many different aspects of play therapy. In 2014, she was granted a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Association for Play Therapy; in 2017, she was given a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Iowa Association for Play Therapy; and in 2020, she received a third Lifetime Achievement Award from the North American Society for Adlerian Psychology (…she seems to be collecting them).

In this episode, Terry will take you into the world of Adlerian Therapy and share how she developed Adlerian Play Therapy.

You’ll also learn:

  • How to bring more of YOU into your client’s sessions;
  • How to custom-design your sessions to meet your client’s unique needs;
  • How to enhance your client’s insight into themselves and what it means to “spit in the client’s soup;”
  • How to navigate the client’s process when phases of the therapeutic work are not discrete; and
  • How to attune not just to your client, but to their entire treatment process (a meta-attunement of sorts).

Listen to the brilliant words of Terry Kottman and feel inspired and jazzed about play therapy and the work you’re doing with your clients.

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Special: The Importance of Studying Different Modalities04 Oct 202200:18:14

Original Air Date: October 30, 2017

Play therapy is an evolving field with new ideas around every corner. And each theory - new and old - has something to offer. Seeking knowledge improves your practice and benefits your clients (and yourself). As play therapists, it is important to embrace the idea that growth really never ends. The moment we believe we have figured it out is precisely the moment that we stop growing.

"The moment we believe we have figured it out is precisely the moment we stop growing" - Lisa Dion

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129. Althea T. Simpson: The Magic of Bibliotherapy for Client Healing27 Sep 202200:41:08

Wondering what bibliotherapy is or how to incorporate it in your client sessions? Lisa has invited another special guest to talk about using bibliotherapy with kids. Althea T. Simpson is the founder of Brighter Day Therapeutic Solutions and Unicorn Life Training. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Registered Play Therapist-Supervisor, Certified LEGO® SERIOUS PLAY® Facilitator, and host of the podcast Chronicles of a Play Therapist. She's all about innovative solutions for mental health and her creativity has been such a blessing and inspiration to the play therapy field (thank you Althea!). 

In this episode, discover how all books can be therapeutic and the many ways to be creative in using bibliotherapy with your clients including: 

  • How bibliotherapy helps children find their way through psychological, emotional, and social problems;
  • How to choose books relevant to a client's personal situation and developmental needs; 
  • How to use bibliotherapy through a Teletherapy platform; and
  • How to engage children in activities that help them reflect on what they read, including art-based expressions, LEGO, sand tray, journal writing, and group discussion.

Althea also shares some of the books that she loves to have in her playroom including the book she would have if she could only have one book. Plus, learn about her own recently published book - "Hurt to Healing: Child Witnesses of Domestic Violence and Their Invisible Injuries" and how it blended her professional and personal life experiences.  

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