Explorez tous les épisodes du podcast Legwork
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| Trailer - Legwork - A Running Podcast By Bakline | 25 Jul 2025 | 00:02:22 | |
00:00 Questions We Ponder 00:51 What is podcast Legwork all about, and what types of conversations will we have? 01:26 What does every episode of Legwork aim to achieve? 02:03 When and where can you listen to Legwork? Every runner has had questions they didn't know exactly how to how do I evaluate a training plan actually life? What's the smartest way to in the heat? How do I get myself mentally through that last part of a race? And what does a crew really need to do and know when supporting an ultra marathon runner? We have those questions too! And as the owners of an apparel brand, as coaches and as members of the running community, we hear them all the time. How do you start and sustain a running club that doesn't just burn out after a season? What's the current state of women's running media and how do we make it better? And how can we support and hold on to more female coaches? Some of the most important work, whether it's the work we do as runners or as leaders that drive our sport, is not always visible. Legwork is a podcast that celebrates the unseen efforts that keep the sport of running moving forward. We go behind the scenes with club leaders, race directors, coaches, and scientists to explore the why and how of the work that makes running what it is. These are long form conversations that favor nuance over noise and intention over aesthetics. Because doing the work is messy and hard, but too often glossed over or made to seem easy. We're not here to deliver clickbait or sound bites. We're here to take our time, ask better questions and listen with curiosity. In every episode, we promise to bring you something practical, insightful, inspiring. Something that helps you think and run further and feel more connected to the work that matters, no matter who's doing it or where it takes place. We don't have sponsors, just us! And Bakline! It's where we've put in the work, building a brand, growing a community, coaching athletes and supporting great people and organizations. It's something we've built from scratch none of it has been easy. But that's exactly why we started this show, because the work that happens behind the scenes deserves more space, more credit and much more conversation. Episodes drop every other Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. So subscribe to Legwork because working hard doesn't always mean being seen, doing the Legwork without shortcuts is the forward. | |||
| 03 - Why Women Coaches Still Struggle — and What WeCOACH Is Doing About It (with Vanessa Fuchs) | 05 Aug 2025 | 01:12:17 | |
Title IX changed the game—but it also came with a cost. In this episode of Legwork, we sit down with Vanessa Fuchs, CEO of WeCOACH, to unpack why the number of women in coaching roles plummeted after the passage of Title IX, particularly in running sports like cross country and track—and how WeCOACH is working to reverse that trend. From the impact of mentorship and representation to the systemic challenges of burnout, pay inequity, and gender bias, Vanessa brings both candor and clarity to one of the most important topics in sport today. Whether you're a coach, athlete, parent, or simply someone who cares about the future of women's sports, this conversation is a call to action. Learn what’s working, where we’re falling short, and why supporting women in coaching isn’t just good policy—it’s essential for the health and future of the game. Episode Description What does it really mean to be a coach today—especially as a woman? For many athletes, coaches are more than technical instructors. They are the emotional anchor, trusted adult, and all-hours problem-solver who helps athletes navigate academics, life transitions, and personal struggles. In this conversation, Vanessa Fuchs, CEO of WeCOACH, joins Matt and Molly to talk candidly about the immense load women coaches often carry—especially in year-round sports like track and cross country—and the lack of structural support that leads far too many to burnout or exit the profession altogether. This episode also unpacks the ripple effects of Title IX—from declining numbers of women coaches to deeply ingrained hiring patterns and gender-based leadership expectations. Vanessa shares how WeCOACH is building a sustainable pipeline through programs like WeMENTOR, WeELEVATE, and WeASPIRE, all backed by research on where and why women are most likely to drop out of coaching careers. We also discuss how women’s sports are covered in the media, the subtle (and not-so-subtle) gender biases that shape how leadership styles are perceived, and how recent changes in NCAA policy could impact the future of Olympic and non-revenue sports. Through it all, Vanessa offers both data and personal insight—showing what it will take to not just recruit more women into coaching, but actually keep them there. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to WeCoach and Vanessa Fuchs 05:34 The Impact of Title IX on Women in Coaching 08:29 The Importance of Female Role Models in Sports 10:56 Vanessa's Personal Experience With Mentorship 13:08 Barriers to Representation in Coaching 15:28 WeCoach's Mission, Growth, and the Triad Mentorship Model 22:00 Gender Bias in Coaching Styles 24:01 Media Representation of Women in Sports 27:16 Recruiting and Retaining Female Coaches Particularly In Running 35:57 Managing Burnout and Mental Health Against Persistent Barriers 41:23 Exploring NCAA Divisions and Coaching Opportunities 42:20 Engaging the Community in Advancing the WeCOACH Mission 47:21 Proud Accomplishments at WeCOACH 53:03 Hope and Progress in Women's Coaching and Impact of the Tucker Center Report Card 55:48 Impact of NCAA Changes on Women's Sports 59:40 The Growing Spotlight on Women's Sports Top 5 Takeaways
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| 02 - How To Evaluate And Modify A Run Training Plan To Fit Your Needs | 29 Jul 2025 | 02:00:03 | |
In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly go beyond the numbers to unpack what makes a training plan actually work—and why most of them miss the mark for the average runner. Built as a companion to our in-depth blog series on the Bakline site, this episode is a practical and honest guide to evaluating your plan, understanding the purpose behind workouts, and making modifications that are both smart and sustainable. Whether you’re a first-time half-marathoner or a seasoned marathoner chasing a PR, this conversation gives you the tools to stop blindly following plans and start training with intention. We also introduce a four-step framework that anchors the episode: assess the course, evaluate your current fitness (and physiology), build the right mileage and long run structure, and then add intensity with purpose. Along the way, we tackle misunderstood concepts like the 80/20 rule, threshold training, and why “advanced” doesn’t always mean “faster.” From injury prevention to long run strategy, fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch muscle types to recovery timing, this episode is loaded with practical examples, real coaching insight, and lessons we’ve learned the hard way. The full chapter list is below—so feel free to jump around, but we think it’s worth the full listen. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Matt + Molly As Coaches and The Perspectives They Bring 05:35 Understanding Training Plans Generally and Their Importance 08:59 Who this episode is for? (Hint: almost anyone can get something out of this) 12:18 Understanding The Objective of The Workout, Not Just The Numbers 13:24 Why Most Off The Shelf Plans Let You Down, And Why The Ability To Evaluate Your Plan Is Critical To Being a Better Athlete 20:41 General Types of Modifications You Can Make Once You Have Evaluated Your Pln 29:32 Four Key Steps: Assessing the Course, Honestly Understanding Yourself, Determine Overall Mileage, and Add Intensity 31:03 Step 1: Assessing the Course 39:13 Step 2: Honestly Understanding Yourself and Assessing Your Current Fitness 49:24 Muscle Fiber Types, Determining How You Might Skew (Fast or Slow Twitch) and Considering That In Your Training Plan Construction 59:12 Step 3: Determining Overall Mileage and Your Long Run 01:01:39 Incorrect Workout Execution Could Lead to Perception of an Incorrect Plan (And Injury) 01:05:43 The 80/20 Rule. Why We Think It Is A Good Rule Of Thumb (Even Though We Don't Like Most Rules of Thumb) And Importance Of Easy Miles 01:10:21 Two Major Levers To Pull That Increase Volume: Frequency (More Days) and Duration (Longer Runs) 01:16:40 Long Run Considerations and Progression 01:17:41 Adding In The Long Run: How Many, How Long, And What % of The Week It Should Be 01:29:50 Step 4: Adding Intensity (The 20%), Key Terminology And Understanding Your Threshold Pace 01:35:29 Digging Into Types of Intensity To Consider In Your Plan 01:38:23 Coming Full Circle To That 80/20 Rule - Brining It All Together 01:42:22 Use Case #1: Illustrating How We Get To 20% 01:46:03 Use Case #2: Catching When an A Workout Does Not Make Sense 01:47:15 Summary And Key Takeaways 01:53:07 Looking Ahead To Part Two Of This Podcast: Specific Workouts Top 4 Takeaways 1. Your Training Plan Wasn’t Written for You—So Make It Yours Most plans are generic. If you're not adjusting for your race, fitness, and schedule, you're following someone else’s roadmap. 2. Understanding the Why Beats Hitting the Pace Don’t just follow numbers—know the goal. When you understand what threshold feels like, you can adapt without derailing your training. 3. It’s Not Just Mileage—It’s the Ratio That Matters The 80/20 rule works. Most of your weekly volume should be easy. Going too hard too often—even on low mileage—can set you back. We're ready to debate those who say otherwise. 4. Know How You’re Wired (Fast Twitch? Slow Twitch?) Your physiology matters. Fast-twitch athletes fatigue and recover differently. Smart plans account for those differences. | |||
| 01 - Fast Women: Alison Wade on Coaching, Trends in Running Media, and Creative Fatigue | 29 Jul 2025 | 01:21:32 | |
00:00 Introduction to Fast Women and Alison Wade 05:34 The Evolution of Alison's Relationship with Running 07:52 The Impact of Community and Connection in Running 10:19 Exploring the Podcasting Journey 12:12 The Challenges and Opportunities Women Face In Coaching Especially In Collegiate Levels 21:35 The Growth of Women in Professional Coaching 27:26 Editorial Changes in the Fast Women Newsletter Required Over Time 28:39 Covering Trans Athlete In Running Media 33:22 Navigating Negative Feedback and Resilience 36:56 Balancing Passion and Workload and Managing Burnout 40:07 The Evolution of Fast Woman and Creating Engaging Editorial Content While Managing Social Media Dynamics 51:54 What is better? Being best, first, or different? Navigating How We Flex Our Style To The Times 57:02 The Balance of Making a Living, Finding Sponsors, and Journalistic Integrity 01:02:47 Positive Trends in Running and Coaching 01:11:56 The True Value of the Fast Women Newsletter 01:20:53 Closing Thoughts Summary In our first episode of Legwork, we sat down with Alison Wade—founder of the Fast Women newsletter and one of the most thoughtful voices in running media. We talked about how her relationship with running has shifted over time, especially as she’s navigated personal setbacks while continuing to spotlight the sport’s most compelling stories. We explored her decision to stay rooted in journalism in an age of content, and what it takes to remain authentic when everyone else is chasing clicks. From her reflections on burnout and creative sustainability to the evolving media landscape, Alison offered a clear-eyed look at what it means to keep going—not just when it’s rewarding, but when it’s hard. We also dove deep into the realities of coaching and representation, particularly for women at the NCAA and professional levels. Alison shared how she’s watched the industry change, why institutional structures still fail many female coaches, and how organizations like Wildwood Running and WeCoach are helping fill the gaps. Along the way, we touched on covering trans athletes with care, managing editorial choices under public scrutiny, and the challenge of staying principled while running an independent media platform. Through it all, Alison reminded us that being different—and being honest—still matters. Our Top 5 Takeaways 1. Journalism Over Hype Alison’s not chasing clicks—she’s doing the work. Fast Women stands out by delivering real journalism in a content-churn world. 2. Coaching Still Isn’t Built for Women From the NCAA to the pros, women are still underrepresented in coaching—and the system isn’t set up to change that without serious reform. 3. First, Best, or Different? She Chose “Different” Instead of trying to be loud or fast, Alison built something thoughtful and distinct—and that’s her superpower. 4. Algorithms Are Exhausting The best content doesn’t always “win.” Social media rewards noise, but Alison stays focused on what matters, even if it doesn’t always perform. 5. A Newsletter That Gets It Fast Women is more than race results. It’s curation with care, clarity, and a deep respect for readers who want more than just headlines. Keywords Fast Women, Alison Wade, running community, women in coaching, NCAA, podcasting, running media, female athletes, coaching challenges, sports journalism, running social media, content creation, running media, journalism, authenticity | |||
| 05 - The When, How, And Why of Hiring A Running Coach | 02 Sep 2025 | 01:48:45 | |
A practical guide to hiring a running coach — when to seek one, how to choose and work with one confidently, and why they can make all the difference. Most runners think about hiring a coach only when they’re chasing a big PR or a major race. But the reality is that coaching isn’t just for elites, and it isn’t just about getting faster. The right coach at the right time can help you break through plateaus, return from setbacks with confidence, or simply take the decision fatigue out of training. And while coaching can be transformative, not every coach–athlete match works—knowing what to look for (and what to avoid) can make all the difference. Episode Description In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly take a practical look at the when, how, and why of hiring a running coach. Drawing on their own experiences as athletes and coaches, they explore what makes the coaching relationship truly valuable beyond the plan itself—and how runners can get the most out of it. They walk through the key parts of the process:
Whether you’re considering coaching for the first time, thinking about switching coaches, or simply looking to get more from the relationship you already have, this episode gives you the tools to approach coaching with clarity and confidence. Chapters 00:00 Our First Interaction With A Coach in High School 06:18 The Why, When, and How of Finding A Coach - Our Agenda 07:59 All The Reasons Runners Might Hire A Coach - Good And Bad 16:47 Primary Drivers Behind What Prevents us or is a Barrier to Hiring a Coach 26:11 How Coaches Can Help Athletes 33:31 Coaching Can Help In Understanding How Running Should Feel And Integrating Strength 39:40 The Role of Coaches in Race Planning 41:37 Setting Expectations: Things Coaches Can't Do (Like Visual Gait Analysis) 51:17 Setting Expectations: There is No Magic Workout or Secret Sauce 53:50 Communicating What We Want and Need Out of Coaching 01:04:48 Questions You Should Ask A Potential Coach 01:10:35 Evaluating Coach Qualifications and Certifications 01:22:47 How to Be A Coachable Athlete 01:33:38 Identifying Red Flags in Coaching Relationships 01:42:54 When It Might Be Time To Leave A Coach Key Takeaways
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| 04 - Mastering and Applying Heat Training Protocols for Runners | 12 Aug 2025 | 01:35:50 | |
A practical guide to heat training for endurance runners —why it works, the science behind it, and how to apply protocols to boost performance year-round. Most non-elite endurance athletes are leaving performance gains on the table. Heat training—often dismissed as something you only do before a hot race—is one of the most misunderstood and underutilized tools in the sport. Done right, it can boost cardiovascular capacity, improve recovery, and prepare you to train harder for longer—no matter the conditions on race day. In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly explore the overlooked benefits and surprising versatility of heat training. Through stories from their own racing and coaching, they show how it can be more than a summer survival skill—it’s a year-round performance weapon hiding in plain sight. Episode Description This episode is your practical, research-backed guide to heat training—covering nearly everything an endurance athlete needs to know to apply it effectively and safely. Matt and Molly break down the most up-to-date science on how heat affects performance, the physiological adaptations you’re aiming for, and the three proven methods to achieve them:
They explain how to choose the right method for your situation—or make the most of the method you have available—and how to time it so benefits carry through to your race. You’ll also learn how long adaptations last, how to maintain them, and what to watch for in hydration, fueling, and recovery to avoid setbacks. Whether your target race is hot, cool, or somewhere in between, this episode gives you the tools to use heat training with precision—and see results when it matters most. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Heat Training and Personal Experiences Driving Our Understanding 05:49 The Primary Studies We Reviewed In Preparation For Our Heat Training Episode 08:05 Major Reasons Why You Should Care About Heat Training 12:42 Why Running In The Heat Is Challenging 20:21 Anecdotal Experience with Heat Training In Recent Ultra Performances 23:28 The Three Heat Training Methods We Cover and General Physiological Benefits of Heat Training 28:32 Thermal Regulation and Adaptations 31:12 Protocol by Protocol Analysis 32:53 Protocol 1: Training In A Hot Environment 46:06 Protocol 2: Adding Layers to Augment Heat of The Natural Environment 01:06:39 Protocol 3: Hot Dry Sauna and Hot Water Immersion (HWI) - Actual Implementation Steps 01:10:48 Protocol 3: Hot Sauna Benefits and Considerations 01:14:17 Protocol 3: How Water Immersion (HWI) Benefits and Considerations 01:19:35 Maintaining Heat Training Adaptations 01:22:56 Timing and Strategy for Heat Training 01:27:20 Safety Considerations When Heat Training Top 5 Takeaways
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| 06 - Why the JFK 50 Ultramarathon Endures and Inspires Generations with Mike Spinnler | 23 Sep 2025 | 02:04:55 | |
More than America’s oldest ultramarathon, the JFK 50 endures because of the kindness, community, and love that Mike Spinnler has nurtured across generations. Most races don’t last six decades. Every November, the JFK 50 unfolds across the Appalachian Trail, a canal towpath, and country roads as a 50-mile test that has become the oldest continuously running ultramarathon in the United States. But what makes it endure isn’t just the course or its history. It’s the people who return year after year, the community that shows up in droves to ensure this race will not quit, and the race director who has quietly shaped it for more than three decades as only the second in its history. Mike Spinnler has been at the heart of the JFK 50 as runner, champion, and steward, carrying forward a tradition that continues to inspire generations. He is, in many ways, the archetype of a role model. In this conversation, we reflect on how the course has shaped the athletes who run it, the volunteers who support it, and the man who has devoted his life to directing it. Episode Description: In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly sit down with Mike Spinnler, race director of the JFK 50, the oldest continuously run ultramarathon in the United States. They explore how the race has endured for more than 60 years — and why it continues to inspire across generations. Together, they cover:
Whether you’re a seasoned ultrarunner, a first-time marathoner, or someone who simply cares about what makes communities strong, this episode offers an inside look at why the JFK 50 is more than just a race — it’s a living legacy. Chapter List 00:00 Introduction to JFK 50 and Mike Spinnler Journey 08:51 Mike's Early Running Experiences and Influences 13:52 Transitioning to Competitive Running, And Winning the JFK50 23:47 Becoming the Race Director of JFK 50, And How Having the Best Partner Helps 30:39 How the JFK Keeps Going 35:58 The Importance of a Team Behind You And Delegation 39:13 Resilience and Persistence in the Face of Persistent and Resilient Challenges 42:56 Navigating Change and Tradition 45:33 The Role of Aid Stations in Leveling The Playing Field 53:58 The Famous 3 x 10m Marathon Paced (In a Day) Workout 01:00:57 Approaching Mike's Directing of the JFK50 More As A Coach Than An Administrator 01:05:10 Impact of Shoe Technology 01:06:52 Weaverton Cliffs And Watching Your Step 01:08:10 Navigating the Appalachian Trail 01:10:09 The Magic Of JFK50 Aid Stations And Volunteer Community 01:18:02 Advice for New Runners of the JFK50 01:24:37 For Mike, the JFK50 is like Christmas Morning And He's Excited To See What Will Happen 01:27:09 Supporting Runners Through ALL Paces, Not Just The Leaders 01:30:00 The Personal Impact of Race Directing And The Obligation Mike Feels To Those That Have Not Experienced The Race 01:35:08 Spontaneous Selflessness and Humanity Is All Around 01:39:38 Reflecting On How JFK50 Has Changed Him, The Power of Sports, And Giving Back 01:48:38 Advice Time: The Inside Tips On A Successful JFK50 02:02:23 Final Reflections | |||
| 07 - Fuel Smarter: Understanding How Nutrition Works in Training and Racing | 10 Oct 2025 | 01:32:50 | |
A practical framework for fueling that explores the history and science of race nutrition to help you understand the products on the shelf, turning confusion into confidence. It starts with a wall of brightly colored gels and drink mixes, each promising endurance in a pouch. Runners swear by their favorites, but few can explain why they work—or don’t. Matt and Molly pull back the curtain on the science and history behind those packets, turning a maze of sugar ratios, salt counts, and gut grumbles into something you can actually understand. They examine why some products seem to love you while others ruin your race, practically breaking down the make up of different products out there, and what the science actually says about how our bodies use all this stuff. Episode Description: In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly take on one of running’s most confusing topics: fueling. They trace how we went from ancient “performance foods” to modern gels and drink mixes, and why understanding what’s inside those packets can make all the difference. Together, they cover:
Along the way, they share personal fueling mishaps (including Matt’s maple syrup era), laugh through gut science, and translate complex research into clear, practical insight. Whether you’re training for your first half marathon or trying to shave minutes off a PR, this episode will help you understand what your body needs — and fuel smarter for whatever’s next. Fuel Selector Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u7Rh8LWrgB_9B3kKKpKMwTEnqXyRcc0js1UYw4vwTCg/edit?usp=sharing Chapter List: 00:00 Introduction, Matt's Fueling Eras, and Why This Episode Matters 09:08 Agenda for the Episode 10:00 Historical Perspectives on Nutrition and Performance 16:09 The Evolution of Sports Training and Nutrition 20:06 Understanding Energy Systems: Carbs 29:22 Understanding Energy Systems: Fats 40:15 The Impact of Carbohydrates on Performance 47:07 Understanding How Nutrition Products Incorporate What We Know Of These Energy Systems Into Their Formulas 49:27 Understanding Sugar Ratios in Sports Nutrition 55:21 Isotonic vs Hypertonic Fuels: What You Need to Know 01:04:49 Carbohydrate Requirements for Endurance Events 01:13:17 The Importance of Carb Loading Before Races 01:28:03 Troubleshooting Nutrition Issues During Races References:
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| Bonus 1: The Strategy and Logistics in Running the NYC Marathon (Part 1) | 21 Oct 2025 | 01:08:59 | |
Bakline’s guide to tackling the TCS NYC Marathon—section by section, from the Verrazzano to Central Park. It starts early—hours before the start gun—with runners moving through the slow ritual of getting to Staten Island. The ferry’s crowded and buzzing, the buses crawl through traffic, and everyone’s half awake, half anxious, wondering if they packed enough snacks. It’s all part of the race before the race. Matt and Molly break down what that morning really feels like, and how to handle every stretch of the TCS New York City Marathon once you finally hit hear the cannon that sets you on your way. Episode Description In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly take runners mile by mile through the world’s most iconic marathon: New York City. Drawing on their personal experiences and coaching insights, they unpack every element of race day—from pre-dawn logistics on Staten Island to the emotional charge of entering Central Park. Matt and Molly cover the practical details that make or break a smooth race morning—timing breakfast, navigating transport, managing nerves, and adjusting for daylight savings—before diving deep into a section-by-section course strategy. From the Verrazzano Bridge to First Avenue to the final turn onto Central Park South, they share what to expect, where to hold back, and how to find rhythm amid the crowds. Whether it’s your first time running New York or your tenth, this episode gives you the insider perspective to approach the course with confidence, calm, and respect for the challenge. NOTE: This podcast episode is not affiliated in any way with New York Road Runners nor do we claim any association or ownership related to their trademarks. This is an informational discussion about the race by Bakline, based on our experience and not as an official spokesperson for the organization that puts on the marathon. Chapter List 00:00 Introduction and Personal Experiences with the New York City Marathon 06:58 Course Strategy Overview and Key Elements 07:44 Getting to Staten Island 09:02 Timing Your Breakfasts and Remembering Daylight Savings 11:23 Race Morning Checklist 13:30 Getting to The Start: The Ferry 18:21 Getting to The Start: The Bus 20:56 Navigating Athletes / Starting Village 25:26 Starting Line Wave Times 28:02 The Course: Overall Elevation Profile 30:30 The Course: (1) Navigating the Verrazano Bridge 34:51 The Course: (2) Exiting the Verrazzano, Converging with Others, and Fourth Ave 37:49 The Course: (3) Lafayette Through The Half 44:45 The Course: (4) Queens and The Queensboro Bridge 50:36 The Course: (5) First Ave, Heading to the Bronx 56:49 The Course: (6) The Boogie Down Bronx Experience 59:08 The Course: (7) Returning to Manhattan, Marcus Garvey Park, And the Dreaded 5th Avenue Hill 01:02:57 The Course: (8) Entering Central Park! 01:05:42 The Course: (9) Exiting The Park, Central Park South, and the Finish! | |||
| Bonus 2: Tapering and Pacing Strategies for the NYC Marathon (Part 2) | 30 Oct 2025 | 00:39:04 | |
How to taper with confidence and pace your best NYC Marathon, mile after mile. You’ve done the training for the NYC Marathon. Now comes the hardest part—trusting yourself. The taper and pacing strategy often get too little attention, too late. We set time goals, have a rough pace in mind, and let it rip. But if we don’t approach the start line with intention, we risk losing the discipline that gets us to the finish we want. In this episode, Matt and Molly offer a framework for thinking about the taper—how long it should last, how much intensity to keep—and the pacing strategies that make or break your race, including the scariest of them all: the negative split. You’ll come away better equipped to manage the restlessness of race week, hold back early when the crowds surge, and finish the NYC Marathon feeling strong instead of spent. Episode Description In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly take on the final stretch before the NYC Marathon—the taper, pacing strategy, and mindset that shape how race day unfolds. It’s the stage that can spark as much anxiety as excitement: mileage drops, energy shifts, and the urge to “prove fitness” in those final days before the race can undo weeks of good training. They unpack what runners often overlook in these last few weeks and how small, intentional adjustments can lead to a stronger, more controlled race. Together, they cover:
Through coaching insight, data, and experience, they show that finishing strong isn’t about squeezing in one last workout—it’s about executing the work you’ve already done. Whether you’re chasing a PR, a BQ, or simply looking to enjoy the day, this episode helps you line up calm, confident, and ready to run your best NYC Marathon. Chapter List: 00:00 Introduction to Part 2 of Our NYC Marathon Course Strategy and Carb Loading In Brief 06:40 How To Manage The Emotions of The Taper 08:58 The Taper: How Long, and How Much Volume 16:30 The Taper: Level of Intensity and Impact to Performance 23:36 Race Planning and Strategy, and Race Day Visualiztion 27:22 Primary Marathon Pacing Strategies: Even Effort v Even Paces, Negative Splitting, and The 10-10-10 Approach 34:32 Weather Considerations for Race Day 36:24 Final Thoughts and Advice: Do Not Go Out Too Fast! For an in depth look at race day logistics and segment by segment look at the course, see Part 1 (Bonus Episode 1). | |||
| 09 - Why Fueling Isn’t One-Size-Fits-All: Personal Hydration Strategies for Athletes with Andy Blow | 09 Dec 2025 | 01:11:30 | |
From trial and error to precision, this episode unpacks why knowing how salty a sweater you are can unlock better fueling, hydration, and performance. Episode Description: Most runners know when their legs are tired, when their heart rate is higher than they'd like, and when their watch disagrees with reality, but far fewer know what’s actually happening in their sweat. And yet, hidden in those grains of salt is a story about performance, cramping, gut trouble, bonking, and why two athletes with identical race fuel and hydration plans can do the same race with wildly different outcomes. In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly talk with Andy Blow — endurance athlete, sports scientist, and founder of Precision Fuel & Hydration, to explore the messy, fascinating world of electrolytes. From Andy’s own battles with hypernatremia to the science behind sweat testing, the conversation pulls apart the myths, marketing, and misunderstandings that keep athletes guessing. It’s a journey from personal experiment to practical insight, showing how something as simple as knowing your sweat composition can reshape your entire fueling strategy and help you be a more informed athlete. Whether your kit dries white after every run or leaves almost nothing behind, this episode helps you understand why it matters and how your electrolyte losses can guide smarter fueling and hydration. They cover:
Whether you're training for your first 10K or trying to solve the mystery of mid-race cramps, this episode helps you understand your physiology — and build a hydration strategy that actually fits. Chapter List: 00:00 Introduction to Precision Fuel and Hydration 03:09 Andy's Personal and Professional Career Path 05:41 Andy Blow's Athletic Journey and Founding Story 06:26 The Science Behind Sweat Testing and Electrolyte Needs 09:26 Growth and Evolution of Precision Fuel and Hydration 12:38 The Impact of COVID-19 on Business Strategy 16:11 Philosophy of Separation in Fuel and Hydration Products And the Myth That None of It Matters 20:56 The Role of Electrolytes in Performance 23:53 Insights from Formula 1 Experience 26:51 The Importance of Sweat Testing for Athletes 27:13 Getting Into The Science Of It All, T-Shirt Sizing The Salinity Of Your Sweat And The Case For Seeking Out That Information 37:38 Hydration Strategies for Athletes 42:35 Understanding Carbohydrate Ratios in Fueling 50:13 The Science of Osmolality in Sports Drinks 53:57 Evolving Beliefs in Sports Nutrition 59:01 Andy's Research on Sweat Salinity and Bone Health 01:03:37 The Role of Data in Athletic Performance 01:08:37 Future Innovations in Sports Nutrition and Gear | |||
| 08 - Essentials of Strength Training for Runners with Cuyler Hudson DPT | 25 Nov 2025 | 01:35:35 | |
A clear, grounded look at strength training for runners—what to do, how to start, and why the gym doesn’t need to feel overwhelming. Strength training is supposed to make running feel better—stronger legs, sturdier tendons, fewer injuries. But for a lot of runners, it does the opposite: it sparks stress, uncertainty, and that familiar urge to skip the gym entirely. The machines look confusing, the weights look heavy, and the fear of “doing it wrong” becomes its own workout. In this episode, Matt and Molly sit down with physical therapist Cuyler Hudson to make strength training feel genuinely approachable. They break down how muscles, tendons, and bones adapt, why “bulking up” isn’t something runners need to fear, and how simple, consistent lifting can support your running without adding pressure.` From navigating the weight room with confidence to choosing weights, reps, and routines that make sense, this conversation reframes strength work as something you can fit into your training with a clear and practical roadmap—not something to stress over. Exercise Cheatsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18lD9J0t1QrNQXjoqioAkNn1xav_LSUoycuuMSZcBcng/edit?usp=sharing Episode Description In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly sit down with physical therapist Cuyler Hudson to cover a ton of practical information for newbies and reminders for veterans. Together, they demystify strength training for runners—what to do, how to start, and why the gym doesn’t need to feel intimidating. Together, they explore the fundamentals of building stronger muscles, bones, and tendons, while breaking down the mental and practical barriers that keep so many runners from lifting in the first place. They cover:
Chapter List 00:00 Introduction to Cuyler Hudson 02:24 Overview Of The Episode: The Benefits of Strength for Runners, Making the Gym More Approachable, And What To Do When You Get There 03:53 The Benefits of Strength For Runners Across Muscles, Bones, and Tendons 08:57 Debunking Common Myths About Strength For Runners: Bulking Up and Slowing Down 15:06 Impact of Strength Training on Running Performance 21:15 Reducing the Mental and Physical Barriers of Entry in Getting Into and Moving About The Gym 22:23 Using Machines vs. Free Weights 25:21 The Importance of Single Leg Exercises 27:56 Addressing the Fear of Asking Questions About The Gym and Turning To ChatGPT for Answers 33:28 Understanding Weight Selection for Beginners 39:37 Progressing in Strength Training: Reps and Weights. How much is too much or too little. 42:43 Home Workouts: Effective Exercises Without a Gym 49:55 Bodyweight Exercises, Hotel Workouts, and Where Yoga and Breathing Fit In 57:42 Fueling and Hydration for Strength Training 01:02:21 Understanding Creatine and Its Benefits In the Weight Room Or On The Road 01:05:26 Fueling for Performance: Nutrition and Hydration, What We Should Do and Avoid 01:08:34 Choosing the Right Footwear for Lifting 01:10:38 Understanding Different Workout Types And Workout Set Construction 01:17:00 Layering In Strength Training Program Into A Running Training Cycle 01:20:34 Off-Season Strength Training Strategies And Time Till You See Results 01:23:34 Ensuring you Do Multi-Planar Movements 01:26:38 Addressing Strength and Endurance Interference | |||
| 11 - Why Racing All the Time Is Holding Back Your Running | 28 Jan 2026 | 01:28:35 | |
Always training, never improving? How periodization fixes your running by helping you plan an entire season, not just the next race. Most runners know how to train for a race. Far fewer know how to train for a season. Trusting that a more holistic approach to your training over a year, can be daunting, but it doesn't have to be. This episode examines why so many runners feel stuck in a cycle of constant training, frequent racing, and nagging fatigue. Matt and Molly explore how the pressure to always be “in shape” or “race ready” quietly erodes long-term progress, and why time off is not a failure of discipline but a necessary part of improvement. Drawing from coaching experience, personal mistakes, and the realities of modern running culture, they unpack periodization as more than a buzzword. Instead, it becomes a framework for understanding when to push, when to build, when to sharpen, and when to step back. The conversation reframes downtime as productive, structure as liberating rather than restrictive, and progress as something measured over months and years, not just race weekends. Episode Description: In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly tackle one of the most overlooked problems in running: training hard all the time without getting better. They break down periodization, not as a rigid system reserved and eligible for elite athletes, but as a practical way to think about an entire training year. From off-seasons and base building to race-specific preparation and recovery, they explain how each phase fits together, and why skipping any of them often leads to burnout, stagnation, or injury. Together, they cover:
Along the way, Matt and Molly share personal examples, coaching insights, and practical ways to rethink your relationship with training. Whether you’re chasing a PR, navigating a packed race calendar, or trying to stay healthy year after year, this episode offers a clearer framework for planning smarter and running better. Chapter List: 00:00 Introduction and Reflections on Needing To Take Time Off 03:05 Managing the Offseason: Insights and Strategies 06:26 Why We Wanted To Do This Episode and Our Agenda 11:47 Overview of Running Plan Periodization And Phases Of a Training Cycle 15:05 Major Benefits of Incorporating All Of these Phases In A Training Cycle 22:07 Transition Phase: A Methodical Approach Between Major Training Bouts 38:09 Preparatory Phase: Building Your Base, Your Strength, And Engine 44:03 Preparatory Phase: Where Zone 2 Training Sits and Increased Aerobic Volume 48:52 Preparatory Phase: Balancing Volume and Intensity and Lifting 55:59 Pre-Competition Phase: Fine-Tuning the Engine 01:02:25 Pre-Competition Phase Cross Training, Strength Training, and Recap 01:09:35 Competition Phase: Race Specific Training 01:17:55 Post-Race Transition and Recovery | |||
| 10 - The Atlantic's Nick Thompson On Writing His Book The Running Ground, Pushing His Personal Limits, and an Undying Curiosity | 13 Jan 2026 | 01:23:16 | |
A live conversation with Nick Thompson on curiosity, endurance, and a complicated relationship with both a father and the simplest of sports: running. This conversation between Nick Thompson and David Alm, a Brooklyn-based journalist, professor, and runner, offers a window to Nick’s process in writing The Running Ground, and to the people, stories, and moments that made it into the final draft and what didn't. Recorded live at Bakline’s HQ, the episode captures Nick in dialogue rather than interview, reflecting with David on the journalistic process, the discipline of editing, and the characters in his life, most notably his father, who shaped the person he has become. There is much to be gained from reading or listening to The Running Ground, the audio version of which Nick himself narrates. Its opening chapter alone should be required reading for anyone preparing to step onto the New York City Marathon starting line. What emerges in this rare and candid conversation, though, is something broader: a meditation on perspective and curiosity, and on how our understanding of our own abilities shifts over time. Along the way, Nick reflects on his relationship with his father and the role running has played in his ability to build and maintain a truly exceptional life, offering insight on how the sport can not only facilitate escape and drive, but also help us make sense of the world. At its core, this conversation speaks to the importance of paying attention: to our bodies, to the relationships we build, and to the quiet ways we can learn to embrace all that makes us who we are–rather than trying to outrun it. Special thanks to the Brooklyn Greenway Initiative and The Atlantic for their support of this event. Chapter List: 00:00 Introduction and Background 04:43 The Journey of Writing The Running Ground 10:14 Exploring Personal Connections and Themes 21:16 The Editorial Process: Structure and Format 24:14 The Editorial Process: The People Who Have Entered Nick's Life and Imparted Key Lessons 30:18 Writing About Yourself Journalistically 36:50 The Pain of Running and Broader Life Lessons 42:19 The Endurance Of Running and Its Impact on Nick 45:20 Approaching Running with Undying Curiosity 50:23 Pushing Limits: Personal Records and Race Experiences 53:54 Cultural Influences on Running and Personal Growth 55:13 Q&A: Current State of Running Culture 58:51 Q&A: Fatherhood, Relationships, and Emotional Connections 01:02:09 Q&A: Media Industry Insights and the Role of Running 01:02:44 Q&A: Nick's Personal Pursuits and Current State of Media 01:07:55 Q&A: Exploring Personal Archives and Memoir Writing 01:11:18 Q&A: Recommended Running Literature 01:12:44 Q&A: Evolving Running Goals With Age 01:18:25 Q&A: Favorite Greenway Runs and Community Engagement 01:20:58 Promoting the Book and Final Thoughts Key Takeaways
One of the central insights of the conversation is that limits are often internal before they are physical. Nick’s experience shows how a shift in perspective can unlock capacities we didn’t realize were still available.
Running emerges not as an exercise in brute force, but as a practice in listening to your body, and to your pain. The same attentiveness applies beyond sport, shaping how we can move through work and stress.
Nick’s reflections on his father are not about resolution, but context. Through diaries, archives, interviews, and memory, he comes to see how running helped his father hold together a complicated life.
Whether in running, writing, or navigating change at a major organization, curiosity proves more enduring than a fixation on outcomes. | |||
| 12 - Applying Heat Training Protocols During Winter Running | 11 Feb 2026 | 01:05:03 | |
A focused guide to using heat training during winter—why it works, what adaptations you’re actually chasing, and how to implement sauna, hot water immersion, or layering protocols safely and strategically. Heat training is usually framed as something you do before a hot race. But the physiological adaptations don’t care what month it is. Plasma volume expansion, improved thermal regulation, and cardiovascular efficiency can all support training during winter—even if race day will be cold. This episode is an edited and streamlined version of Episode 4, where we originally covered heat training in depth. Here, we’ve removed the broader discussion of racing in hot environments and narrowed the focus to one question: How can runners use heat protocols intentionally during winter training to enhance performance? Episode Description This episode is a practical, research-backed breakdown of how to apply heat training protocols during winter running. Matt and Molly revisit the primary studies that shaped their understanding of heat adaptation, then walk through:
Rather than treating heat training as seasonal, this episode reframes it as a tool. One that, when applied carefully, can support cardiovascular development, resilience, and recovery during winter blocks when training quality matters most. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Heat Training and Personal Experiences Driving Our Understanding 01:11 Context for Episode And Focus On Heat Training Protocols During Winter Training 02:23 The Primary Studies We Reviewed In Preparation For This Episode 03:57 Major Reasons Why You Should Care About Heat Training 06:39 Why Running In The Heat Is Challenging 11:41 Anecdotal Experience with Heat Training In Recent Ultra Performances 13:30 The Three Heat Training Methods We Cover and General Physiological Benefits of Heat Training 14:37 Thermal Regulation and Adaptations 16:46 Protocol by Protocol Analysis 17:09 Protocol 2: Adding Layers to Augment Heat of The Natural Environment 36:28 Protocol 3: Hot Dry Sauna and Hot Water Immersion (HWI) - Actual Implementation Steps 38:39 Protocol 3: Hot Sauna Benefits and Considerations 41:01 Protocol 3: How Water Immersion (HWI) Benefits and Considerations 46:03 Maintaining Heat Training Adaptations 48:26 Timing and Strategy for Heat Training 52:31 Safety Considerations When Heat Training Top 5 Takeaways
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| Bonus 3: What You Need To Know To Run The Boston Marathon—and Why It’s Harder Than It Looks | 17 Apr 2026 | 01:38:53 | |
A practical course strategy for Boston that covers race-day logistics, pacing, hills, and fueling, so you don’t give your race away before Heartbreak Hill. The Boston Marathon itself doesn’t test how fit you are. It tests how well you understand what you’re stepping into. It tests how well you can plan and prepare. The course gives you just enough early to make you believe you’re having a great day. Downhills feel free. The pace comes easily. And somewhere between Hopkinton and Wellesley, it’s all too easy to lose sight of the fact that you might be borrowing energy from later you. AIn this episide, youll learn to understand why Boston is hard, how to approach it with intention, and when to hold back even when everything feels right. Boston isn’t about surviving the hills. It’s about arriving at them with something left. Episode Description In this joint episode of the Allie G Show and Legwork, Alex, Matt, and Molly break down how to approach the Boston Marathon from start to finish with three primary sections: race day logistics, a section-by-section course strategy and analysis, and race week and day nutrition and fueling. Drawing on their own experiences across multiple Boston races, they explain why the course is more tactical than it looks—and how small decisions early in the race can shape the final 10K. Together, they cover:
Along the way, they share lessons from past races, including pacing mistakes, fueling issues, and what it actually feels like when the race turns. Whether it’s your first Boston or you’re trying to run it better than last time, this episode gives you a clear framework for approaching the course with intention. Chapter List 00:00 The Allie G Show and Legwork Joint Podcast - An Overview of our Boston Marathon Strategy Episode 03:27 Personal Boston Marathon Journeys 07:13 Role Models In Sport and Mental Approach to Boston 12:48 Getting To The Expo and Bib Pick Up 13:53 Race Morning Planning and Breakfast Strategies 15:34 Transportation To the Start 21:36 Starting Village 25:39 Leaving Starting Village and The Walk To The Start 28:59 Brief Intro to Pre-Race Nutrition 34:31 The Technical Challenge of the Boston Marathon 42:47 Experiences and Lessons from Past Marathons 46:51 The Tactical Nature of the Boston Marathon 47:35 Breaking Down the Course: Elevation and Strategy 48:44 Breaking Down the Course: Elevation and Strategy 51:47 Boston Marathon Section Analysis: The Start Through Mile 4 56:21 Boston Marathon Section Analysis: Mile 4-15 59:07 Boston Marathon Section Analysis: Mile 15.5-21 Newton Hills 01:05:31 Boston Marathon Section Analysis: Mile 21-24 Post Heartbreak Downhill Stretch 01:09:22 Boston Marathon Section Analysis: Final 2 Miles and your Left on Hereford, Right on Boyleston 01:11:06 Nutrition Leading Up To and During The Race - Carbloading! 01:17:35 Nutrition on Race Morning 01:19:06 Science of Fueling Generally and On Course Nutrition 01:22:45 Hydration On The Course (Gatorade) 01:30:15 Adjusting Your Race Day Nutrition Strategy Depending on Weather and Fueling For Recovery 01:34:22 Post-Race Recovery and Celebrations | |||