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Learning and Teaching Systemic Therapy

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Welcome to the Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy (STMFT) podcast hosted by Dr. Sofia Georgiadou. Dr. Sofia facilitates dialogues between seasoned Marriage and Family Therapy educators and PhD students. The experienced MFT Educator(s) respond to questions PhD students in CFT/MFT have about becoming effective CFT/MFT educators.

Our podcast is open to systemically trained educators of all ranks in the United States, Australia, Canada, Latin America, Africa, and Europe.

The podcast’s goal is to create informal, publicly available, mentorship opportunities and enhance PhD students’ knowledge of pedagogy, culturally responsive learning design, as well as effective teaching of CFT/MFT courses.

The Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy was established in 2022.
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Ep 2: Training Systemic Therapists: Dr. Afarin Rajaei & Dr. Ryan Lloyd

Épisode 2

jeudi 22 août 2024 • Durée 53:20

Welcome to Learning and Teaching Systemic Therapy Podcast, the official Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy (STMFT in short) podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Sofia Georgiadou. I created STMFT and this podcast as an antidote to the isolation I experienced as an early-career academic. I also created STMFT and this podcast as a space to allow myself and my colleagues to share resources and bridge the way we do systemic therapy with the way we teach systemic therapy in our classrooms.

In this episode we have:

Dr. Afarin Rajaei, PhD, LMFT: Dr. Rajaei is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and esteemed author, dedicated to advancing personal growth, emotional awareness, and resilience through her professional work. She serves as the associated editor of the International Journal of Systemic Therapy and frequently presents on topics such as deep inclusion work, exploring romantic relationships, and integrated healthcare systems. Dr. Ryan Lloyd, PhD, LMFT-S, LCDC: Dr. Lloyd is a newly minted PhD, a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist Supervisor, AAMFT Supervisor Candidate, & Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor working in North Texas. He primarily works with clients with co-occurring psychiatric & substance use disorders, involved in criminal justice, high-conflict families & couples. He has worked in both inpatient & outpatient settings but he aims to get to teaching.

Dr. Lloyd's questions discussed in this episode:

What has inspired you most along your journey in training systemic therapists?
When beginning your teaching career, what did you find most difficult about getting started? What did you find most helpful?
What are some of tools/techniques you use to assist therapists in training, who are new to systemic thinking, who struggle with conceptualizing systems thinking?
If applicable, how do (or have) you navigate(d) gatekeeping with therapists in training?
What do you wish you would have known before entering your career in training therapists?

Resources:

Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy (STMFT) website: https://stmft.coastmft.org/

STMFT Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/stmft

Center for the Integration of Research, Teaching and Learning (CIRTL) website: https://cirtl.net/

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Ep 1: From Clinical Practice to Teaching MFT: Dr. Mary Nedela & Joyce Miles Jacquote

Épisode 1

mercredi 24 juillet 2024 • Durée 49:51

Here with us today we have:

Dr. Mary Nedela is an Assistant Professor in the Marriage and Family Therapy Program at Central Connecticut State University (CCSU), a licensed marriage and family therapist in Connecticut and Michigan, a Clinical Fellow of the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT), and AAMFT Approved Supervisor. She received her master’s degree in child development and family studies with a specialization in marriage and family therapy from Purdue Calumet (now Purdue Northwest). She received her doctoral degree in human development with a specialization in marriage and family therapy from Virginia Tech. Dr. Nedela has taught several undergraduate and graduate courses in marriage and family therapy, human development, and psychology. Additionally, she has comprehensive clinical experience working in various clinical settings, including in-home programs, in-patient style settings, and outpatient settings. She is particularly passionate about LGTBQ+ individuals and their relationships with family, friends, and partners. Additionally, she is driven to increase the quantity and quality of clinical services available to LGBTQ+ communities. Her specific research area of interest includes relational well-being among bi+ individuals and their partners.

Our PhD Student guest today is Joyce Miles Jacquote. Joyce is an LMFT Supervisor, an LCDC, and going into her third year as a DMFT student at National University's Marriage and Family Therapy program. On top of all of that, she is the owner of a solo private practice, Overcoming Miles Counseling, PLLC which offers telehealth services in CO, TX, UT, and WA. In her private practice, she focuses on providing therapy to romantic partners, queer platonic partners, and families; however, they may present or define themselves. Her therapeutic passions are serving the communities that she is a part of, including the Black and Brown communities and Queer communities. When not providing therapy, Joyce is providing clinical supervision to LMFT Associates and MFT graduates interns as well as giving presentations, appearing on podcasts, and writing blogs to educate others.

Ep 3: Teaching Online as a Systemically Trained Educator- Part 1: Dr. Lisa Salazar

Épisode 3

mardi 24 septembre 2024 • Durée 32:35

Questions we discussed with Dr. Salazar in this podcast:

(Sourced from PhD in MFT Student at National University, Yvonne Judge)

What qualifications did you need to have in order to teach in an MFT program?
What is different about teaching MFTs online vs in-person?
What are the pros and cons of teaching MFT online?
What are the common challenges you see with students in your program?
How much time does your teaching role take, both in class and outside of class?

(Sourced from PhD in MFT Student at Adler University, Rose Lange)

What is it like teaching for a fully online Master’s in Counseling Psychology program as a systemically trained therapist and educator?

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Ep 4: Teaching MFT Online - Part 2 + Gender Dynamics in MFT classrooms

Épisode 4

mardi 15 octobre 2024 • Durée 50:38

This week's guest: Dr. Jackie Williams-Reade and PhD Student Rose Lange!

Welcome to the Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy (STMFT) podcast hosted by Dr. Sofia Georgiadou. Dr. Sofia facilitates dialogues between seasoned Marriage and Family Therapy educators and PhD students. The experienced MFT Educator(s) respond to questions PhD students in CFT/MFT have about becoming effective CFT/MFT educators. The podcast’s goal is to create mentorship opportunities and enhance PhD students’ knowledge of pedagogy, culturally responsive learning design, as well as effective teaching of CFT/MFT courses. The Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy is the official MFT Educators’ Division of the Coalition of Associations for Systemic Therapy (https://coastmft.org). Join our FB group for the Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy (STMFT): https://www.facebook.com/groups/stmft Consider joining COAST to support our programming and upcoming initiatives: https://coastmft.org/membership/

Email me at georgiadou@uhcl.edu with your feedback, thoughts, comments about the podcast!

If you are interested in participating in the podcast, share your interest here: https://forms.gle/oJMAhCir7jZN5hUn7

If you are apprehensive about being on the podcast but have a question you would like to submit for an experienced MFT educator, submit it here: https://forms.gle/69xzKUAFZyHtManL8

Questions from PhD student guest, Rose Lange, that we discussed in this episode:

What was your process of conceptualizing your teacher identity?
In my experience, a common talking point is that online programs do not produce as rigorous training as in-person programs. What are your thoughts on that? What can we as educators do in our online classes to make sure our students are well-trained?

Ep 5: Weaving research-based advocacy into MFT teaching - Dr. Kristen Benson

Épisode 5

dimanche 17 novembre 2024 • Durée 44:52

On the podcast today, I am honored to have Kristen Benson, Ph.D., LMFT. Dr Benson is an Associate Professor of human development and family science at Virginia Tech University. She is the Program Director of the Marriage and Family Therapy program and an AAMFT-approved supervisor.

Dr. Kristen Benson identifies as a scholar-practitioner, aiming to conduct research that informs inclusive clinical practice with LGBTQ+ individuals and relationships—a population that seeks therapy at higher rates, yet therapists often report minimal competency training. She is motivated to engage in timely research to change clinical practice and inform policies and legislation to better serve marginalized communities.

Her teaching and clinical training philosophy is guided by collaborative practices focused on the liberation of historically underrepresented groups, informed by the works of Paulo Freire and bell hooks. She firmly believes that teaching and learning practices that critically address socially marginalized groups help therapists-in-training become competent in their work with all clients.

I know so far in the podcast our discussion featured questions I sourced from a PhD in MFT student or recently graduated PhD. This time, I am the early-career MFT educator (with questions) and I am very excited to have Dr. Benson with us today to share her wisdom and lived experiences.

Questions we discussed today (developed by host Dr. Sofia Georgiadou)

Can you share with us any particularly satisfying moments when specific initiatives or your academic work have influenced policy making and legislation?
Where should MFT educators start as they leverage their research and scholarship to influence legislative advocacy effectively?
How could MFT educators incorporate social justice principles into their teaching and supervision practices to enhance student learning and client outcomes?
How can MFT educators better prepare students for working with transgender and non-binary clients and their families?
Can you share your insights on how educators can prepare students to effectively support LGBTQIA clients, particularly in regions where such affirming practices might face resistance?

Ep 6: Decolonizing Teaching in Systemic Therapy Programs: Dr. Felicia Holloway and Briana Roberts

Épisode 6

samedi 7 décembre 2024 • Durée 47:04

Welcome to the "Learning and Teaching Systemic Therapy" Podcast, hosted by Dr. Shofia Georgiadou. In this episode, we explore the decolonization of marriage and family therapy education with Dr. Felicia Holloway, a passionate advocate for accessible and affirming mental health care for marginalized groups. With questions sourced by our Ph.D. student guest Briana Roberts, our conversation explores the importance of reducing hierarchy and gatekeeping in academia and therapy while promoting collaborative learning and teaching environments. We also discuss strategies for supporting students of color and creating empowering mentorship networks. Tune in for an inspiring discussion about what decolonizing systemic education for the next generation of MFTs looks like.

Questions we discussed in this episode (by Briana Roberts, PhD Candidate):

What does your work in decolonizing Marriage and Family Therapy look like?
What does decolonizing work as professors look like?
How can we support MFT students of color coming into programs?
What does advocacy for these students look like?
How can you balance mentoring students of color while also managing your work and mental load?

Resources discussed in this episode:

Sisterhood Sanctuary: Peer Support Group for BIPOC female therapists Join Us: Start Date: October 18, 2024 Recurring: Every third Friday of the month Time: 12:00-1:30 pm CST Cost: $5 per session (Therapy for Therapists Membership required for participation) For more information: hello@therapyfortherapistscollective.com or 818-405-0755

Therapy for Therapists Collective: https://www.therapyfortherapistscollective.com/

Annual Faculty Women of Color in the Academy Conference: https://www.inclusive.vt.edu/Programs/FWCA.html

Connect with Dr. Felicia Holloway on LinkedIn: Connect with Briana Roberts, LMFT on LinkedIn:

Ep 7: Transforming Systemic Therapy Education through the eyes of International MFT Students and Educators

Épisode 7

lundi 27 janvier 2025 • Durée 50:48

With us today on the podcast we have Dr. Tatiana Melendez-Rhodes. She is an Associate Professor in the Marriage and Family Therapy Program at Central Connecticut State University. She is a Licensed marriage and family therapist in Connecticut, a Clinical Fellow of the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, (AAMFT), an AAMFT Approved Supervisor, and a fellow Fulbright Scholar. She received her Master’s and Doctoral degrees in Marriage and Family Therapy from the University of Connecticut. She was also a clinical Psychologist in Peru. Dr. Melendez-Rhodes has taught several graduate and undergraduate courses of marriage, family therapy, supervision and psychology in the United States and Peru. Dr. Melendez-Rhodes has worked in public hospitals, inpatient psychiatric hospitals, private practice and outpatient mental health organizations in the US and Peru. Her research interests focus on family violence, immigration issues, interpersonal acceptance-rejection, couples therapy, and clinical practice and outcomes. She has published in peer-reviewed journals and presented her research at national and international conferences.

The PhD student we have with us today is Shazia Imran. She is a Co-Founder and CEO at NTL Laboratory (clinical laboratory, blood laboratory, testing, molecular). Shazia Imran holds a Bachelor of Science in Biology and Psychology from Loyola University Chicago and a Master of Science in Marriage and Family Psychotherapy from Northwestern University. She is currently a doctorate student at Adler University. In addition to her advanced degrees, she has many certifications, including Yoga-Informed Psychotherapy and Financial Decision-Making, from one of the elite universities in Chicago, the University of Chicago.

Currently, she is doing her clinical practicum through Live Oak, helping couples and families with many different areas of life. In the past, she worked in the community setting for the state of Illinois as an on-call psychotherapist for all north-side hospitals of Chicago. She has done a tremendous job in the community and at NTL Laboratory. Over the past 8 years, she has served multiple roles in the company.

In this episode, we'll be exploring questions that have been pre-sourced from Shazia and Sofia:

1) When you think about your journey, what comes to mind? Can you share your experience/ journey of moving to the U.S. and transitioning into teaching systemic therapy? What challenges did you encounter along the way?

Meléndez -Rhodes. T. (2018). International Immersion: Promoting first-hand interaction with other cultures. Family Therapy Magazine, 17(1), 8-12. McDowell, T., Goessling, K., & Meléndez, T. (2012). Transformative learning through international immersion: Building multicultural competence in family therapy and counseling. Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, 38, 365-379. Harris-McKoy, D., Gutierrez, D., Strachan, T., & Winley, D. (2017). Women of color in marriage and family therapy programs. Journal of Feminist Family Therapy: An International Forum, 29(1-2), 28–44. Gopal, A (2011). Internationalization of higher education: Preparing faculty to teach cross-culturally. The international Journal of Teaching and Learning in Higher Education, 23(3), 373.

Ep 9: Teaching sex therapy, community care and centering intersecting identities - Dr. Anthony Pennant & MA Student Jazzy Bryant

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samedi 22 mars 2025 • Durée 54:15

Today we start our conversation from the premise that therapy is very political, as it has always been. The current legislation movement has affected so many vulnerable populations (anti-trans laws, erasure of LGBTQIA2S+ terms from government agencies and webpages, cancelation of grants supporting gender-expansive communities, prohibition of gender-affirming care for youth, state-specific abortion laws etc.).

In what ways are we staying well enough as educators to resist the harm?
How does our resistance show up in teaching sex therapy?
How do we begin uncomfortable and vulnerable conversations about these topics with our MFT students?
What is multi dynamic relational therapy and how will it impact the way sex therapy is taught?
How is this model taught in the classroom by Dr. Pennant and what did Jazzy get out of it as a student?
How is the practice and legacy of intersectionality different in the classroom vs. in community and advocacy spaces?

Dr. Pennant is an international speaker and expert in neurodiversity, LGBT+ relationships, and attachment and foster care, with a dedicated focus on research in systemic intervention. With a doctorate in Couple and Family Therapy from Antioch New England, Dr. Pennant has made significant contributions to the field, serving as a master trainer for supervisors through the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT) and has published numerous scholarly works.

Dr. Anthony Pennant's The Colibri Center for Systemic Training: https://www.colibricentertraining.com/the-colibri-center

Based in Seattle, WA, Dr. Pennant operates a private practice where they provide therapeutic support and training, helping individuals and families navigate complex relational dynamics. Passionate about advocacy and education, Dr. Pennant engages audiences worldwide, sharing insights that promote understanding and inclusivity within diverse communities.

Resources recommended by Dr. Pennant:

Ep 8: Strengthening Systemic Thinking in MFT Training: Dr. Merchant and Dr. Ilkmen

Épisode 8

dimanche 16 février 2025 • Durée 43:09

Questions we explored in this episode:

Why is it important for MFT students to strengthen their theoretical skills earlier compared to other counseling related fields?
What are some tools to facilitate choosing a theoretical orientation?
How do you balance teaching foundational theories while encouraging students to develop their unique therapeutic style?
What challenges do your students face when applying theory to practice, and how have you helped them bridge the gap?
What strategies have you used to help students broach topics around culture with their clients?
How do you think current trends in systemic therapy (e.g., teletherapy, trauma-informed care, somatic-based approaches) influence the teaching of systemic theoretical orientations?

Dr. Merchant is an Associate Professor and Director of the Marriage and Family Therapy program at Abilene Christian University. She is also the Chair of the Department of Marriage and Family Studies. Dr. Merchant is an alumna of ACU (’04) and earned her Doctorate in Marriage and Family Therapy at Texas Tech (’15). Dr. Merchant facilitated a Batterer Intervention and Prevention Program until last year. She is currently the Presiding Member of the Texas State Board of Examiners of Marriage and Family Therapists, and is the state delegate to the Association of Marriage and Family Therapy Regulatory Boards. She has two adult sons, could eat tacos for every meal, and loves plants despite her brown thumb.

Dr. April Nisan Ilkmen received both her masters and Ph.D. degrees in Couple and Family Therapy from Adler University in Chicago, Illinois. Dr. Ilkmen is the Clinical Training Director and Assistant Professor of Marriage and Family Therapy at Northern Illinois University. Dr. Ilkmen’s teaching and clinical interests are related to attachment in romantic relationships and issues of social justice in the field of psychotherapy. Dr. Ilkmen grew up in Turkey, has lived in Canada, and now resides in the U.S. Her immigration experience, and multi-cultural background allowed her to become a culturally sensitive clinician and professor. Her clinical approach is the attachment-based model, Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), a model that permeates her clinical practice as well as her teaching and supervision methods. Her approach to therapy is informed by psychodynamic models, helping each individual to understand their unique struggles in the past and present in order to facilitate internal change. Dr. Ilkmen practices in Turkish, French and English. Dr. Ilkmen is currently enrolled in Psychoanalytic training program at the Chicago Psychoanalytic Institute and in ongoing psychoanalytic supervision.

McDowell, T., Knudson, M. C., & Bermudez, J. M. (2019). Third‐Order Thinking in Family Therapy: Addressing Social Justice Across Family Therapy Practice. Family Process, 58(1), 9–22.

Ep 10: Training systemic therapists from a decolonial perspective: Dr. Ashley Hicks & Danielle Barcelo

Épisode 10

dimanche 6 avril 2025 • Durée 40:00

In this episode of the Learning and Teaching Systemic Therapy Podcast, listeners are introduced to the amazing Dr. Ashley Hicks and Danielle Barcelo, a PhD candidate in MFT. Our discussion centers on decolonizing systemic therapy within our educational practices. Dr. Hicks provides us with wonderful examples of activities from her own MFT courses. She teaches with a focus on cultivating critical consciousness and examining biases in ourselves, as well as our foundational models. She also shares her strategies for navigating institutional constraints on curriculum, handling student resistance, and effectively using self-disclosure in therapy and education. We discuss creating community agreements, creating fertile ground for open discussions on race and identity, and advancing our own and our students' cultural humility in therapeutic practices.

Dr. Ashley Hicks' bio:

Ashley A. Hicks, PhD, IMFT-S is a licensed marriage and family therapist, AAMFT approved supervisor, researcher, consultant, speaker, and teacher. She is Clinical Associate Professor and Director of the OSU Couple and Family Therapy Clinic at The Ohio State University in Columbus, OH. Ashley is the founder of Our Lineage Our Legacy LLC and she offers trainings and presentations at the local, state, and national level to mental health providers, healthcare providers, clergy, community and government groups to address mental health concerns such as disordered eating, anti-Black racism, race-based stress, trauma informed and focused care. Ashley has worked in several clinical settings with diverse populations including racial/ethnic minorities, LGBTQ populations, homeless and those experiencing poverty. Her clinical practice and research focus primarily on the needs Black individuals and families including womxn and those struggling with body image and eating concerns.

Danielle Barcelo's bio:

Our PhD in MFT student guest we have with us today is Danielle Barcelo. She is a PhD Candidate at National University, a fully online COAMFTE-accredited program where she is getting her PhD in Marriage and Family Therapy with a specialization in Children and Adolescents. Danielle is completing her dissertation on High-Conflict Post-Divorced or Separated Co-Parents and their impact on children, adolescents, co-parents, and other systems. Danielle is a LMFT in Colorado, where she received her MA-MFT, as well as two post-master's certificates, one in Counseling Children and Adolescents, that prepares you to become a Play Therapist and another in Depth Psychotherapy. Danielle is also an AAMFT Approved Supervisor Candidate. She is a Latinx Group practice owner, therapist, and supervisor in Denver, Colorado, where she was born and raised. Danielle identifies as a Hispanic/Mexican American/Chicana and Native American female. Danielle has over 10 years in the field working primarily with underserved populations. Danielle is continuing to grow her practice and has 15 therapists in her practice, 2 supervisors, an office manager, and a health and wellness coach.

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