Former Downing Street adviser, Jimmy McLoughlin interviews top entrepreneurs, politicians, and just about anyone at the top of their game on where they think the future of our economy is going through the prism of jobs.
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From Shop Floor to CEO: The Rise of Pret’s Pano Christou
mardi 27 octobre 2026 • Durée 49:44
Pret a Manger CEO Pano Christou on why Pret is so expensive, Service Culture, and Creating Jobs
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Pret CEO Pano Christou recounts his 26-year rise from assistant manager to CEO at 41, including a short Harvard exec MBA that boosted his confidence after rapid promotion.
He explains Pret’s management approach: short meetings, pre-reads, early-morning reflection, empowering smart teams, and a weekly mystery-shopper system that can trigger a 10% weekly bonus for all store staff based on service, speed, availability, and cleanliness.
He discusses COVID’s disruption via hybrid working and Pret’s response through coffee subscriptions, delivery, and value initiatives like “Pick Your Pair” for £4.99 and 99p filter coffee.
Addressing “why Pret is expensive,” he cites 2022–23 inflation (food inflation peaking around 20%), refusing shrinkflation, and then limiting price rises for about three years. He highlights expansion plans to open 100 UK stores, inclusive hiring (NEETs and people facing homelessness), training, pay (around £15/hour for baristas), and policy asks on VAT and national insurance support.
Chapters
00:00 Why Pret Costs More
00:48 Panos Pret Journey
04:05 Fast Track To CEO
05:46 Leadership Mindset Shifts
12:35 Unusual CEO Habits
14:40 Post Covid Business Model
17:05 Value Deals And Pricing
21:05 Service Culture Joy
22:58 Hiring Growth And Homelessness
28:16 Behind The Counter
30:32 Pay Bonuses And Training
34:20 Menu Trends And Hiring
38:00 Government And VAT
40:54 Quickfire And Wrap Up
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Why UK Bills Are So Expensive?! | Greg Jackson, Octopus Energy CEO
lundi 26 octobre 2026 • Durée 52:46
Octopus Energy’s Greg Jackson on Agile Tariffs, Standing Charges, and the Future of Electrification
Jimmy interviews Octopus Energy CEO Greg Jackson about how Octopus’s Agile tariff mirrors half-hourly wholesale prices, sometimes going negative when supply exceeds demand, and how “powerdowns” and “powerups” pay customers to shift usage when electricity is expensive or cheap.
Greg says over four million customers have used these tools, saving over £1 billion, and argues smarter use of existing grid capacity could reduce the need for £100 – £200 billion in new infrastructure.
They discuss why standing charges are “out of control,” how fixed network costs now make up much of bills, and the growing cost of paying wind generators to turn off.
He highlights falling costs and benefits of EVs, home charging, batteries, and heat pumps, plus energy geopolitics, China’s clean-tech lead, and AI’s emerging impact on jobs. He calls for consistent policy focused on electrification.
Chapters:
00:00 Agile Tariff Explained
01:20 Negative Pricing Moments
02:15 Powerdowns and Powerups
04:07 Savings and System Efficiency
06:10 Standing Charge Breakdown
09:57 Where Your Bill Goes
12:02 Using Wind Power Better
12:45 Why Electricity Use Fell
15:00 EV Charging Cost Reality
17:33 Octopus EV Leasing Scale
18:45 Why UK Power Costs More
19:56 Cutting Energy Levies
20:30 Home Batteries Boom
21:36 Heat Pumps Data Edge
23:45 Energy Geopolitics Shock
26:50 China Tech Risk Reality
29:23 China Innovation Machine
34:35 AI Jobs Uncertainty
38:47 Raising Kids With AI
41:46 Budget Wish List Electrify
43:49 Closing Thoughts
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Is AI Really Taking Your Job? The Data Tells a Different Story | John Burn-Murdoch
mardi 13 octobre 2026 • Durée 01:21:00
If AI can write code, why are companies hiring more software developers? And why are people starting their careers still struggling to get in?Financial Times columnist and chief data reporter John Burn-Murdoch joins Jimmy to unpack what the data actually tells us about AI, work and opportunity. Hiring for experienced software workers is recovering, while opportunities for new graduates remain flat. If AI can handle the tasks juniors once learned on, how do they gain the experience employers want?John explains why human judgement could become more valuable, how AI-generated applications could push recruitment back towards personal connections, and why predictions of mass unemployment may miss the bottlenecks that still require people.They also explore the forces making it harder to build an adult life: housing pressures, fewer young people forming relationships, falling birth rates and the appeal of better-paid work abroad.In this episode:00:00 AI layoffs reality check01:54 Where job losses show up03:42 Rate hikes vs AI effects05:47 Software jobs rebound06:36 Decide execute deliver08:55 Why juniors still matter11:48 Trainee pipeline dilemma13:42 Networks and meritocracy16:26 Recruitment goes old school18:17 Hiring at the FT20:14 Journalism identity shift24:13 Job titles and personal brand27:33 Computer science enrollment dip30:46 Deep knowledge beats tasks35:48 Jevons paradox and training37:34 AI and non AI assessments39:36 Bottlenecks and productivity41:07 AI Bottlenecks Need Humans42:58 Birth Rates Falling Everywhere45:09 Housing And Digital Media48:53 Social Media Gender Divide51:24 Dating Apps And Work Ties53:37 Why Low Birth Rates Matter57:40 UK Centralization And Housing59:05 Broken Jobs Data Problem01:03:15 UK Emigration And Pay Gaps01:07:58 Fixing Britains Growth Story01:09:18 UK Role In Global AI01:12:04 Will AI Cause Unemployment01:13:39 Iced Coffee Interview Debate01:15:09 Pink Socks And Dress Codes01:17:48 Favorite Chart And Wrap UpSubscribe to Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future for more conversations about work, technology and the changing economy.**********
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Who Really Controls Football? Money, Power & Premier League | Joey D’Urso
mardi 6 octobre 2026 • Durée 48:12
Football, Power and Shirts: On China, FIFA and Fields of Power
In a wide-ranging conversation, journalist Joey D'Urso discusses how football and politics have always been intertwined, from FIFA’s unpopularity in the UK and World Cup expansion debates to historical links with regimes and soft power.
Drawing on his book More Than a Shirt, he explains China’s top-down push to become a football power, the use of football by the state, and figures like Li Tie amid opaque corruption allegations.
The discussion covers how national-team success depends on deep football ecosystems, France’s team as an immigrant story, and football’s roots in industrialization and natural resources.
Joey outlines his career from BBC Westminster and BuzzFeed to The Athletic and The Times, his shift to full-time writing, and monetization via Substack, social media, and freelance work. He previews his next book, Fields of Power, telling 20th-century history through 20 stadiums worldwide.
Chapters
00:00 FIFA Backlash
00:24 China Football Ambitions
01:58 Corruption And Control
03:24 Why Money Isnt Enough
05:35 France Culture And Ecosystems
07:32 Industry And Soft Power
08:55 From Politics To Football Writing
12:13 When Football Turned Political
15:37 Colombia Shirt Crime Story
18:46 New Book Fields Of Power
20:29 Breaking Into Football Journalism
22:20 Original Ideas In An AI Era
24:00 Making Money Plans
25:45 Nonlinear Growth Lessons
26:56 Football as Live Media
30:04 Stadiums and Tailgating
31:43 FIFA Revenue and Hosts
33:14 FIFA Criticism and Culture
35:14 New Book Story Teasers
37:03 More World Cups and AI
38:27 Data Driven Clubs
41:00 Attendances Up Atmosphere Down
44:02 Bigger World Cup Debate
45:33 Wrap Up and Thanks
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Britain Sounds Clever, So Why Can't It Build? | Dan Wang
mardi 29 septembre 2026 • Durée 55:21
Jimmy interviews author Dan Wang about his book "Breakneck" and why the UK and other Western societies struggle to build infrastructure, contrasting Britain’s strengths in “sounding clever” industries (universities, finance, media) with weak construction capacity and rule-bound governance that stalls projects.
We discuss how “verbal cleverness,” PPE and law-heavy elites in the UK and US, and litigation-driven processes since the 1970s have reduced state capacity and deterred ambitious people from public service, versus China’s engineer-led political culture and legitimacy-through-building (dams, bridges, high-speed rail).
We also cover meritocracy and immigration in the US/UK, AI’s uncertain impact on software, legal, and “busy work” jobs, the value of embodied reporting, Singapore’s high-paid civil service model, lost manufacturing process knowledge in the US, and Apple’s intensive China supply-chain feedback loop.
00:00 Britain Talks Not Builds
04:05 Why The West Stopped Building
07:45 PPE Politics And Brexit
09:05 America The Lawyer Elite
14:08 Meritocracy And Immigration
17:27 Poetry Versus Engineering
20:06 China Engineer Leadership
27:21 AI Software Or Hardware
30:10 Work Stamina After AI
32:02 Writer Work And Travel
37:01 Restoring State Capacity
43:26 Process Knowledge Manufacturing
49:18 Generations And Opportunity
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Inside the World’s Most Extreme Jet Suit | Gravity Industries Founder Richard Browning
mardi 22 septembre 2026 • Durée 36:21
Jimmy visits Gravity Industries in Somerset to meet founder Richard Browning, the inventor behind the real-life jet suit.
Richard takes Jimmy inside Gravity’s HQ, explains how an oil trader ended up building a flying suit, and shows what it takes to turn a seemingly impossible idea into a £100m business operating across 53 countries.
Jimmy also gets suited up to attempt his first hover. Watch him take off, and, well, mostly land, on our YouTube channel. Link below:
They discuss how Gravity trains jet suit pilots, the company’s work with Special Forces and emergency response teams, the world’s first jet suit race series, and why Richard believes Britain needs to get more comfortable with ambition, innovation and recoverable failure.
In this episode:
How Richard Browning built a real-life Iron Man-style flying suit
What it costs—and what it takes—to fly one
Gravity’s work in entertainment, military mobility and medical response
Building a 30-person company valued at around $100m
Hiring for initiative, not just qualifications
How to take big risks without betting the company
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Will AI Kill White-Collar Jobs? | Matthew Wilson, Jack&Jill CEO
jeudi 17 septembre 2026 • Durée 01:02:00
Jack and Jill: AI Agents Rewiring Hiring and Job Search
Jimmy interviews Matthew Wilson, founder of Jack and Jill, about how AI is worsening recruitment noise by automating mass applications and outbound recruiting, making traditional CV-based signaling less effective.
Matt explains Jack and Jill’s two AI agents: Jack helps individuals find and prepare for “dream jobs” through deep voice-based profiling, job matching, interview practice, and salary benchmarking (free for users), while Jill helps companies hire by capturing nuanced role needs and matching against Jack’s user network; the company has 350,000 users and thousands of companies, mainly across London, San Francisco, and New York.
Matt shares his background (Yorkshire Dales, Oxford, inspiration from a Batley-based startup), building Omnipresent (remote employment infrastructure later sold to Deel), and lessons on competitive advantage.
They discuss early-career guidance, AI tool literacy, major white-collar work changes, Jevons paradox, small high-talent teams, transparent high pay, and hiring via paid trial days and networks.
00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro
00:27 AI Hiring Spam Problem
03:19 What Jack and Jill Builds
04:03 Why Job Search Feels Random
06:45 Jack the Career Agent
08:02 Jill the Hiring Agent
08:49 First Principles Recruiting
10:04 Advice for Early Careers
12:57 From Yorkshire to Startups
16:36 Building Omnipresent in COVID
19:47 Selling to Deel Lessons
24:22 Choosing the Next Venture
25:45 AI as Patient Career Coach
29:03 Why Work Changes Lives
31:00 Reimagining Recruitment
31:44 AI Tool Fluency
34:03 Career Catapult Mindset
34:29 White Collar Disruption
36:39 Jobs Change Not Vanish
38:41 Jevons Paradox Debate
40:05 Bureaucracy Versus Leverage
42:50 Building a Lean Team
42:59 Pay Transparency Hiring
48:52 Scaling Across Markets
51:39 Fast Hiring Playbook
53:56 Paid Trial Workdays
57:09 Early Hires Through Networks
59:30 First Employees Matter
59:58 Closing Thoughts
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Sara Davies: Why Now Is the Toughest Time to Run a Business
mardi 8 septembre 2026 • Durée 01:13:25
Sara Davies on Changing Dragon’s Den, Building a Personal Brand, and Why Small Business Is Tougher Than Ever
Jimmy welcomes Sara Davies as the first “Dragon” guest on Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future, discussing how she brought a more empathetic, collaborative approach to Dragon’s Den by refusing to be “more dragon-y” and staying true to herself.
Sara explains how her confidence grew over six years on the show, how her investing prioritizes working with entrepreneurs and impact over pure returns, and the questions she asks founders about why an idea might not work and who their real competitors are.
She contrasts hiring versus investing criteria, emphasizing cultural fit, non-verbal communication, and surrounding yourself with complementary skills. Sara also shares her personal branding process, her approach to BHAGs and thinking time, and how she uses AI to condense her own ideas rather than generate generic posts.
She also covers content strategy, the challenges facing small businesses amid Brexit, the pandemic, and economic pressures, and highlights memorable Den deals and lessons.
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Ed Conway, Part 2: Chinese vs American Cars, Andy Burnham's £80 T-shirt & How Dr. Dre Uses AI
vendredi 4 septembre 2026 • Durée 35:56
This is the second part of our interview with Ed Conway, Sky News Economics Editor, author of Trade World and Material World. The first part is out on all platforms.
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Ed Conway on Trade Wars, Bread Monocultures, and the Fragile Supply Chains Behind Modern Life
Sky News Economics editor Ed Conway discusses his book Trade World, based on two years of research into how bread, cars, and textiles are made and traded, arguing globalization has made goods cheaper by concentrating production into a few places, creating dangerous vulnerabilities. He highlights monocultures in crops such as wheat and bananas, focusing on the wheat disease UG99 and how industrial bread relies on just one or two wheat varieties, drawing parallels to the Gros Michel banana collapse and risks to the Cavendish.
This is the first part of our interview with Ed. The second part drops later this week.
Watch the full interview on YouTube here.
Chapters
00:00 Food Supply Sword
00:29 Meet Ed Conway
02:08 Will We Run Out
05:05 Bread Still Matters
06:44 Innovation Beats Doom
13:37 Writing Material World
18:32 Three Products Focus
22:43 AI And Conversation
24:17 UG99 Wheat Threat
24:54 Monocultures And Risk
33:29 Chokepoints And Stockpiles
40:56 Tracking Product Journeys
42:17 Russia Wheat Surge
42:47 Wheat as Power
44:30 Automation and Bakeries
48:25 Lights Out Mills
52:04 AI as Job Tool
53:51 Markets Need Work
56:31 Red Flag Lessons
01:03:22 Who Makes Cars
01:10:28 China EV Shock
01:17:24 The 80 Pound T Shirt
01:20:40 Blue Plaques for Industry
01:23:02 Humans in AI Age
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Ed Conway, Part 1: How the West Accidentally Built Its Greatest Competitor
mercredi 2 septembre 2026 • Durée 57:16
Ed Conway on Trade Wars, Bread Monocultures, and the Fragile Supply Chains Behind Modern Life
Sky News Economics editor Ed Conway discusses his book Trade World, based on two years of research into how bread, cars, and textiles are made and traded, arguing globalization has made goods cheaper by concentrating production into a few places, creating dangerous vulnerabilities. He highlights monocultures in crops such as wheat and bananas, focusing on the wheat disease UG99 and how industrial bread relies on just one or two wheat varieties, drawing parallels to the Gros Michel banana collapse and risks to the Cavendish.
This is the first part of our interview with Ed. The second part drops later this week.
Watch the full interview on YouTube here.
Chapters
00:00 Food Supply Sword
00:29 Meet Ed Conway
02:08 Will We Run Out
05:05 Bread Still Matters
06:44 Innovation Beats Doom
13:37 Writing Material World
18:32 Three Products Focus
22:43 AI And Conversation
24:17 UG99 Wheat Threat
24:54 Monocultures And Risk
33:29 Chokepoints And Stockpiles
40:56 Tracking Product Journeys
42:17 Russia Wheat Surge
42:47 Wheat as Power
44:30 Automation and Bakeries
48:25 Lights Out Mills
52:04 AI as Job Tool
53:51 Markets Need Work
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