This is Fossil vs Future, a warm conversation between generations on climate change.
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Each podcast episode will be focusing on a different climate-related challenge, as godfather and goddaughter, James and Daisy, share their individual experiences and perspectives, with the hope of fostering understanding between generations.
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James is at the later stage of his working life dedicated to dealing with climate change, through law, finance, and social entrepreneurship, and Daisy is at an earlier stage of her career, equally focused on the climate and how to drive systemic change through her experience in the finance, business, and non-profit sectors.
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We want to use intergenerational dialogue as a tool to learn, inspire, and get stuff done!
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WHAT ABOUT NUCLEAR? A low-carbon energy source or a threat to our safety?
Épisode 5
mardi 27 août 2024 • Durée 38:39
Nuclear energy holds great potential to contribute to power sector decarbonisation. It is a carbon-free and extremely energy dense resource that produces no air pollution. However, it comes with significant drawbacks: not only is nuclear energy very expensive, but the byproduct is radioactive material that can be extremely toxic and is long-lasting, leading to safety fears.
In this episode, James and Daisy discuss the benefits and challenges of nuclear energy, one of the most contentious topics within the environmental movement. What exactly is nuclear energy? What role should nuclear power play in the transition to cleaner energy? And how do the risks of nuclear energy compare to the risks posed by climate change?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
Gaia: A New Look at Life on Earth – a book by James Lovelock that puts forward the idea that life on earth functions as a single organism.
Our World in Data (2020): What are the safest and cleanest sources of energy? Fossil fuels are the dirtiest and most dangerous, while nuclear and modern renewable energy sources are vastly safer and cleaner. This article is also a useful resource to explore global data on nuclear energy production: Nuclear Energy.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
IEA: Nuclear power accounts for about 10% of electricity generation globally, rising to almost 20% in advanced economies.
Terrestrial Energy is a Canadian nuclear technology company working on Generation IV nuclear technology.
Verv is an AI-based smart home product that sits next to your electricity or smart meter and analyses your home energy data at its source. In 2018, a Government-backed trial in Hackney used Verv’s renewable energy trading platform to enable customers with renewable energy supplies and battery storage to sell surplus power directly to neighbours.
The Guardian (2024): The cost of completing Hinkley Point C (a nuclear plant in Somerset) will be between £31bn and £34bn, although if completion is delayed to 2031 costs would rise to £35bn.
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Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossil fuels to a sustainable future.
WHAT ABOUT CRITICAL MINERALS? A necessity for clean energy technologies or a harmful new dependency?
Épisode 4
mardi 13 août 2024 • Durée 41:25
Nearly every aspect of our lives depends on minerals. From mobile phones and cars to medical devices and laptops, these essential elements are everywhere. The transition from fossil fuels to clean energy hinges on critical minerals. However, their mining and processing can lead to significant environmental and social challenges.
In this episode, James and Daisy explore the complex issues surrounding the supply of critical minerals. Can we bridge the gap between supply and demand? How can we navigate the escalating geopolitical tensions? Can we trust the mining companies?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
Toxic Cost of Going Green: a 23-minute documentary from Unreported World investigating cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Material World: A Substantial Story of Our Past and Futureby Ed Conway:Read this book to learn more about the six most crucial substances in human history: sand, salt, iron, copper, oil and lithium.
Morgan Bazilian: As the Director of the Payne Institute and a Professor of public policy at the Colorado School of Mines, Dr. Bazilian offers compelling insights into mining and energy security.
Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change: Listen to this podcast by Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington where each week they have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. They have recent episodes on topics related to critical minerals, including battery recycling.
Simon Evans: Follow Simon on social media for more insights on the energy transition, including critical minerals. Simon covers climate and energy policy for Carbon Brief, a UK-based website covering the latest developments in climate science, climate policy and energy policy.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
WHAT ABOUT CHINA? The largest emitter of greenhouse gases or the driver of the green transition?
Épisode 3
mardi 30 juillet 2024 • Durée 37:42
China is often called out for its excessive contribution to global greenhouse gas emissions, predominantly due to its huge reliance on coal power. However, at the same time it is the world leader in renewable energy generation and has a rapidly expanding electric vehicle industry.
In this episode, James and Daisy discuss China’s centrality to global climate action. Is China slowing down its use of fossil fuels? Should we be concerned about our high dependence on China for minerals and other resources? What can we learn from China’s approach to transition?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
China Dialogue was founded by Isabel Hilton, an international journalist, in 2006. It is an independent non-profit committed to accurately portraying China’s development impacts across the Global South through geopolitically even-handed reporting and constructive dialogue. It is a useful place to get informed on what is going on in China.
Climate Action Tracker – an independent scientific project that tracks government climate action and measures it against the globally agreed Paris Agreement. It tracks 39 countries and the EU, evaluating climate change mitigation targets, policies and actions. It is a great resource for seeing how countries are progressing towards achieving their climate goals.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
WRI: “China is the biggest emitter at 26.4% of global greenhouse gas emissions, followed by the United States at 12.5%.” However, this was as of 2019. According to , it looks like China’s contribution to global emissions may have risen to 30.68% in 2022. This webpage also has some interesting graphs showing a breakdown of China’s CO2 emissions by source.
WHAT ABOUT FOSSIL FUELS? An Important Essential Energy Source or a Dangerous Threat to Our Planet?
Épisode 2
mardi 16 juillet 2024 • Durée 49:00
Fossil fuels—coal, oil, and natural gas—have been a dependable and efficient energy source for over a century. However, their combustion releases greenhouse gases, making fossil fuel emissions the primary driver of climate change. Reducing fossil fuel consumption is imperative to mitigate global warming.
In this episode, hosts James and Daisy delve into the contentious debate surrounding fossil fuels. Are fossil fuels essential for meeting current and future global energy needs? How might we transition away from our reliance on fossil fuels? Should fossil fuel companies play a role in our green future?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
Carbon Tracker:Follow this independent financial think tank for comprehensive analysis on the energy transition.
Make My Money Matter:Learn how to align your UK pension with sustainability goals.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
IPCC (2022): “Fossil fuel combustion and industrial processes represent the single largest source of CO2 (85%) and overall greenhouse gas emissions (64%) worldwide.”
The Guardian (2024):‘Smoking gun proof’: fossil fuel industry knew of climate danger as early as 1954, documents show
Introducing an Intergenerational Conversation on Climate Change Challenges
Épisode 1
mardi 16 juillet 2024 • Durée 44:25
Welcome to the first episode of Fossil vs Future! Join hosts Daisy and James as they introduce themselves and their backgrounds in the climate movement, and discuss the importance of intergenerational dialogue as a tool for driving meaningful change in the face of climate challenges.
KEY ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS EPISODE:
Daisy shared a compelling statistic from the International Energy Agency (IEA) (2022): “Children born today will emit 10 times less carbon during their lifetimes than their grandparents if the world achieves the goal of reducing global emissions to net zero by 2050.”
Read more about some of the enterprises James has contributed to that are shaping strategies for a sustainable future:
Foundation for International Environmental Law and Development (FIELD) – An NGO supporting fairer international environmental laws.
Climate Change Capital – A private asset management and advisory group that supported efforts to develop solutions to climate change and resource depletion (it operated from 2003 to 2015).
WHAT ABOUT THE FINANCIAL COST? A burdensome expense or a worthwhile investment?
Épisode 6
mardi 10 septembre 2024 • Durée 44:05
It’s too expensive to make the change, isn’t it? The financial cost of addressing climate change is often used as a reason not to act. However, while estimates for how much the green transition will cost are indeed high, these numbers are dwarfed by the increased social and economic costs that we will incur if we continue with business as usual.
In this episode, James and Daisy explore the financial “cost” of climate action. What are the costs of acting on climate change? What are the costs of not acting? Is it detrimental for us to delay taking action?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
The Oxford Martin Programme on the Post-Carbon Transition – James contributed to this programme that was seeking to find out how we identify, model, and trigger sensitive intervention points to rapidly transition to a post-carbon society.
RMI have some great resources on the costs of transition and the exponential change we’re already seeing. In June 2024, they published this informative paper on The Cleantech Revolution.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
Climate Policy Initiative(2023): In 2021/2022, CPI tracked USD 1.3 trillion per year in global climate finance.
Climate Policy Initiative (2024): “CPI estimates that climate finance needs to ensure global temperatures do not rise above 1.5°C range from USD 5.4 trillion to USD 11.7 trillion per year until 2030, and between USD 9.3 trillion and USD 12.2 trillion per year over the following two decades. These needs are dwarfed by the increased social and economic costs that will be incurred under business-as-usual (BAU) warming scenarios () and will only worsen the longer action is delayed.”
WHAT ABOUT OFFSETS? An effective incentive or a distraction from meaningful decarbonization?
Épisode 7
mardi 24 septembre 2024 • Durée 34:49
Carbon offsetting is a carbon trading mechanism that allows entities to compensate for their residual carbon emissions by investing in projects that reduce, avoid, or remove emissions elsewhere. While this approach can contribute to climate goals, it often faces criticism for potentially allowing companies to sidestep substantial decarbonization efforts. Additionally, verifying the benefits of offsets is a significant challenge and some projects may promise more than they can deliver.
In this episode, James and Daisy chat about the complexities of carbon offsets and carbon markets. What are the differences between the voluntary and compliance carbon markets? Is offsetting better than doing nothing? Is the word “offset” inherently problematic?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
Five Times Faster – a book by Simon Sharpe, where he argues that “in our fight to avoid dangerous climate change, science is pulling its punches, diplomacy is picking the wrong battles, and economics has been fighting for the other side.”
ISSD(2023) – We loved this article by Scott Vaughan and Charles Di Leva on international carbon markets.
International Journal of Sustainable Energy(2023) – James contributed to this methodology alongside Daniel Morrell and Felix Dodds. It presents the “Balance” approach to sustainable development and describes two novel measures: a carbon calculator for commercial entities, and a new metric, the Balance Unit, combining biodiversity creation with carbon credits.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
(2024): If you’re interested in joining the debate on offsets, it is worth reading this synthesis report on carbon credits and following updates from the SBTi.
WHAT ABOUT FOOD? An unavoidable source of emissions or an untapped climate solution?
Épisode 8
mardi 8 octobre 2024 • Durée 34:10
Food is often overlooked in conversations about climate change, yet our food system contributes roughly one-quarter to one-third of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions. It is also the leading cause of biodiversity loss, and agriculture accounts for 70% of global freshwater withdrawals. Beyond environmental impacts, the food system is significantly damaging human health.
In this episode, James and Daisy talk about our global food system. What is wrong with it? How much responsibility lies with big corporations? And do we need to stop eating meat?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
Project Drawdown – A great resource to learn more about food-related climate solutions.
The EAT-Lancet Report (2019) – the first attempt to set universal scientific targets for the food system that apply to people and planet.
Plant-Based Diets (WWF) – a science-based platform to encourage diets that are good for people and planet. There’s a calculator so that can find out whether you’re eating the right things for you and for the environment.
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
FAO (2023) – Achieving SDG2 without breaching the 1.5C threshold: A Global Roadmap – FAO has identified 10 ‘domains of action’ that form a holistic portfolio. The Roadmap includes 120 actions, within which we can take concrete steps towards making a difference.
: A London-based charity that rescues good, surplus food from the food industry that cannot be sold and would otherwise go to waste and delivers it to hundreds of food banks, charities, primary schools and holiday programmes. You can find ways to volunteer with them .
WHAT ABOUT NATURE? A separate issue to solve or critical to tackling climate change?
Épisode 9
mardi 22 octobre 2024 • Durée 43:55
Nature is essential to our survival and wellbeing, yet we are rapidly destroying it. Human activities like urbanisation, pollution, deforestation and commercial fishing are all degrading Earth’s biodiversity at an alarming rate. While they have historically been treated as two separate issues, climate change and biodiversity loss are deeply connected.
In this episode, James and Daisy discuss nature. Why is protecting nature important? What exactly is natural capital? What emerging incentives are there to prevent biodiversity loss?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
The Dasgupta Review – an independent, global review of the Economics of Biodiversity led by Prof. Sir Partha Dasgupta, commissioned in 2019 by HM Treasury. It looks at how we think, act, and measure economic success to protect and enhance the natural world.
The Taskforce on Nature-related Financial Disclosures (TNFD) has developed a set of disclosure recommendations and guidance that encourage and enable business and finance to assess, report and act on their nature-related dependencies, impacts, risks and opportunities.
Radical Realist – the weekly newsletter from The Conduit, that “brings you the biggest impact stories from across the globe.”
OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
Living Planet Report (WWF)– a comprehensive study of trends in global biodiversity and the health of the planet. Over the past 50 years (1970–2020), the average size of monitored wildlife populations has shrunk by 73%, as measured by the Living Planet Index (LPI).
WHAT ABOUT COP? A complex, outdated process or an important platform for vulnerable countries?
Épisode 10
mardi 5 novembre 2024 • Durée 46:57
The COP, or ‘Conference of the Parties,’ is the main decision-making body of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), meeting annually to assess progress in dealing with climate change. This year, COP29 will be held in Baku, Azerbaijan.
In this episode, James and Daisy talk about the COPs. How did they begin? Is the process effective? What might we expect from this year’s conference?
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
The Carbon War by Jeremy Leggett – this book is an eyewitness account of the climate talks, and the way the fossil-fuel vested-interests (the “carbon club”) tried to derail them.
Landing the Paris Agreement by Todd Stern – from the U.S. lead negotiator on climate change, this book is an inside account of the seven-year negotiation that culminated in the Paris Climate Agreement in 2015
Agenda 21 (adopted in 1992) – a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.
James was part of the Global Agenda Council of the WEF – here are some of the pieces he has contributed to:
IEA: “To hit net-zero globally by 2050, would require six times more mineral inputs in 2040 than today.”
IEA: “A typical electric car requires six times the mineral inputs of a conventional car.”
SUN Mobility aims to accelerate the adoption of electric mobility with their battery swapping technology. This technology enables users to purchase their electric vehicles without a fixed battery pack and subscribe to a battery swapping service that allows them to simply swap a depleted battery for a fully charged, temperature-controlled battery pack.
The Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive (WEEE Directive) is a European Community Directive that, together with the Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) Directive became law in February 2003. The WEEE Directive set collection, recycling and recovery targets for all types of electrical goods.
MIT Climate: “In 2021, over 7.5 billion tons of coal were extracted from the ground, while the IEA projects that the total amount of minerals needed for clean energy technology by 2040 will be under 30 million tons.”
McKinsey: Mining is not seen as an attractive industry for young talent in Canada – 42% of respondents, aged 15 to 30, definitely would not consider working in mining, and 28% probably would not.
Pollination commissioned a new independent legal opinion, which concludes that directors subject to the law of England and Wales should have regard to relevant nature-related risks.
National Grid: In the UK, power provided from coal was responsible for only 1% of electricity generation in 2023, compared to 2018 when coal represented 5.1% and 2013 when 39.6% was generated by coal.
Thank you for listening! Please follow us on social media to join the conversation:
Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossil fuels to a sustainable future.
Our World in Data
Rocky Mountain Institute: “China produces three-quarters of all lithium-ion batteries and 70 percent of cathode capacity and processes and refines more than half of the world’s lithium, cobalt, and graphite.”
Visual Capitalisthas some nice graphs on the wind and solar power scale-up: “85% of solar PV is manufactured in China.”
Our World in Data: “On the basis of cumulative CO2 emissions measured from 1751 through to 2017, China is responsible for 13% globally and about half of the United States' cumulative emissions.”
IEA: “China accounts for almost 60% of new renewable capacity expected to become operational globally by 2028.”
Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – a massive China-led infrastructure project seeking to connect Asia with Africa and Europe via land and maritime networks. Read more about it in this explainer from Chatham House.
Soltecture (formerly Sulfurcell) was the German company James referred to that develop and produce thin film solar cells.
Jack Ma co-founded Alibaba, one of the world’s largest e-commerce businesses.
Lauri Myllyvirta is a Senior Fellow at the China Climate Hub, a global non-profit dedicated to understanding Asia through policy, arts, and education.
Jeanne-Marie Gescher – one of the world’s leading experts on China. We recommend her book All Under Heaven: China’s Dreams of Order.
Thank you for listening! Please follow us on social media to join the conversation:
Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossils to a sustainable future.
World Energy Outlook 2023
Octopus Energy – a British renewable energy group specialising in sustainable energy.
Mark Z. Jacobson – a Stanford University professor tracking California’s renewable energy performance. In July 2024, California celebrated 100 days of renewables supplying 100% of California’s electricity demand for a portion of each day.
We looked up fossil fuel subsidies and according to the IMF, globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion or 7.1 percent of GDP in 2022.
Thank you for listening! Please follow us on social media to join the conversation:
Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossils to a sustainable future.
Learn about some of the impactful organisations Daisy has worked with:
The Felix Project–A charity addressing food surplus and food insecurity in London.
ImpactARC – A women-owned sustainable investment consulting firm.
James also referred to some inspiring individuals:
Philippe Sands – Celebrated Author of numerous books including East West Street & Specialist in international law who James worked with on the legal consequences of the Chernobyl accident.
You can read Philippe’s book: Chernobyl: Law and Communication: Transboundary Nuclear Air Pollution - The Legal Materials.
Steve Sawyer (1956-2019) – Former Greenpeace leader and environmental activist.
Paul Hohnen – An independent consultant and former Australian diplomat and director of Greenpeace International.
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RMI: “Financing the energy transition is a story of capital reallocation. Over the next seven years, renewable capex will roughly double and fossil fuel capex will roughly halve under core IEA scenarios. Falling fossil fuel capex will therefore provide half of the growth in renewable capex.”
Samsunghave developed a solid-state battery that boasts a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.
Our World in Data (2020): Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? Renewable energy technologies follow leaning curves, which means it makes sense to invest in and scale these technologies now.
Thank you for listening! Please follow us on social media to join the conversation:
Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossil fuels to a sustainable future.
SBTi
BloombergNEF (2022): “…[compliance] markets reached a value of more than $850 billion in 2021 and cover close to a fifth of global greenhouse gas emissions.” “Despite the hype of voluntary carbon markets, they are still very small compared to compliance markets, valued at around $1 billion to $2 billion in 2021.”
Deloitte (2023): “There are now 36 “compliance carbon markets” that offer cap-and-trade programs for heavy polluters.”
Bioregional(2024): Read this blog to understand a bit more about carbon insetting – “…carbon insetting supports emissions reductions within an organisation’s own value chain.”
World Bank Group (2022): This article provides a clear explanation of Article 6 of the Paris Agreement – “Article 6 of the Paris Agreement allows countries to voluntarily cooperate with each other to achieve emission reduction targets set out in their NDCs.”
Pollination (2023): Delta Blue Carbon is a project in Pakistan that is restoring critical mangrove habitat, creating a large carbon market that is genuinely nature-positive, and offering the local community tangible benefits and a starring role in the restoration and stewardship of their environment.
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Tesco: In 2009, Tesco became the first business globally to set the ambition to become net zero across Group operations by 2050. In 2017, they were the first FTSE 100 company to set science-based targets for both own operations and supply chain in line with the Paris Agreement's 1.5C pathway.
Green Climate Fund (GCF): Health, food, and water security is an important area of work for GCF. It has funded 139 projects in this area amounting to $1.8 billion in financing.
IPCC(2019):The food system is responsible for about 21–37% of total greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.
UNEP(2021):Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss, with agriculture alone being the identified threat to 24,000 of the 28,000 (86%) species at risk of extinction.
FAO (2024): It is estimated that between 713 and 757 million people, corresponding to 8.9 and 9.4 percent of the global population, respectively, may have faced hunger in 2023. Considering the mid-range (733 million), this is about 152 million more people than in 2019.
WHO(2024): In 2022, 1 in 8 people in the world were living with obesity. In 2022, 2.5 billion adults (18 years and older) were overweight. Of these, 890 million were living with obesity.
Thank you for listening! Please follow us on social media to join the conversation:
Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossil fuels to a sustainable future.
Stop Ecocide International – Polly Higgins was a British barrister who fought for ‘ecocide’ to be recognised as a crime, just as genocide is. Philippe Sands KC helped draw up the definition of ecocide.
Climate Asset Management – formed in 2020 as a joint venture of HSBC Asset Management and Pollination, with the ambition to grow the world’s largest asset management company dedicated to natural capital.
Nattergal is a company with a mission to deliver nature recovery at scale, to provide vital benefits for society and sustainable financial returns.
Highlands Rewilding seeks to help rewild and re-people the Scottish Highlands by increasing carbon sequestration, growing biodiversity, creating green new jobs and generating sustainable profit for purpose.
Faith In Nature – this beauty company has appointed a director to represent nature on its board.
Ingka Young Leaders Forum – a global youth advisory council where Ingka Group's senior decision-makers and the Young Leaders Forum members co-create actionable and transformational strategies together. Ingka Group is the largest IKEA franchisee.
Kunming-Montreal Global Biodiversity Framework (GBF)– the framework agreed at COP15 consisting of global targets to be achieved by 2030 and beyond to safeguard and sustainably use biodiversity. It includes the “30x30” conservation target, that calls for 30% of the earth’s land and sea to be conserved through the establishment of protected areas (PAs) and other area-based conservation measures (OECMs).
Thames Tideway Tunnel (or super sewer) – a £4.5 billion project to increase the capacity of the sewage system. It is a 25km tunnel running from west to east London which will help protect the River Thames from sewage pollution.
James highlighted some inspiring individuals in this episode who have played key roles in the COP journey:
Philippe Sands is a specialist in international law who James worked with in New York prior to the Rio Summit.
Durwood Zaelke is an American environmental litigator, professor, author, and advocate, who founded the Institute for Governance & Sustainable Development (IGSD).
Farhana Yamin is a British lawyer, public speaker and climate activist.
Robert Van Lierop is a ni-Vanuatu-American lawyer, diplomat, political activist, filmmaker, writer and photojournalist.
Brindusa Burrows was formerly Associate Director with the World Economic Forum and is now at the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies and is a visual artist.
Morgan Bazilian isProfessor of Public Policy at the Colorado School of Mines.
Huge thanks to Siobhán Foster, a vital member of the team offering design advice, critical review and organisation that we depend upon.
Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on navigating the transition away from fossil fuels to a sustainable future.
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