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| Be Kind, Rewind | 29 août 2026 | 00:57:47 | |
Matthew takes the host chair this week with Kris as an unusually quiet producer. They're joined by Ron Efroni and James Bayer from Flox for a long conversation about Nix. Ron co-founded Flox and is also the president of the NixOS Foundation. James gives a live demo, going from flox search to flox activate with no commit SHA anywhere in sight, and Matthew finally gets an answer to a flake.lock code review problem: what exactly am I approving when the diff is one hash for another? Ron makes the cancel worthy claim that Nix is not hard, it just lacks opinionation by design, which turns out to be the entire reason Flox exists. Then the conversation turns to agents, why skills are software, and the company that uses Flox to turn back time on a model and replay the exact environment a bad answer came out of. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes Kelsey Hightower's hand in the containerize project, Ron on where the open source ends and the invoice begins, the customer who compared Flox to really good Wi-Fi, what actually keeps Ron up at night, Kris talking about the truly absurd amount of hardware humming away in his apartment, and a closing detour through AOL discs, Blockbuster late fees, and dedicated tape rewinders. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/eWjJVaDKRWU No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| A Modest Proposal Proposal | 22 août 2026 | 01:58:57 | |
The proposal proposal gets the full Fallthrough treatment. Kris, Matthew, and Jamie dig into Austin's plan for taming the Go project's ever-growing proposal backlog. What starts as a recap becomes a referendum on how Go is governed, who gets heard, and what an open source community owes its members. Jamie brings a maintainer's reality check from Renovate's 1,700-item triage queue, Matthew wants to close the whole backlog and let people prove they care, and Kris argues the real product of a proposal system is discourse, not decisions. Along the way: whether Go is a democracy or a Google project, the joy economy that open source actually runs on, where "yes is forever" went when the UUID package shipped without consensus, and the gloves finally coming off over performative civility in Go's discussion spaces. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes Steve getting ratioed by Gen X on TikTok, T9 texting supremacy, why Go should never become a nation state, the IETF as proof that communities of joy do ship, and the biggest lie in open source. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/CJkw4dqY38k No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Backlog to the Future | 15 août 2026 | 01:04:38 | |
Kris is back from GopherCon, Matt is back from the lawn, and Fallthrough is back with news: a brand new website and a whole new show, Continue: Go Proposals Edition, a weekly look at Go proposals. The topic for this week's Fallthrough? It's a listener-requested deep dive into what the two of them have actually been building with AI agents. In the regular edition, Kris runs a frontier-model pricing bake-off and comes away fascinated by how dirt cheap Luna is, Matt hands eight well-scoped Linear issues to overnight orbs and wakes up to three merged PRs, and the two land on a shared principle: even when the inference happens in a data center, the harness should run on hardware you own. It all wraps with Matt prototyping an integration by voice on a walk in the park. Expanded edition? We've got one of those! This week it includes Matt's deep dive on AMP betting everything on orbs, a breakdown of the proposal to change Go's proposal process, the one line that gives the whole document away, Kris's redesign built on gates, shepherds, and commitments, a hard conversation about civility and power in Go discourse, and the case for a decentralized Go. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/U4ztdSztCy0 No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Vibe and Prejudice | 08 août 2026 | 01:09:45 | |
We've got the classic trio of Kris, Matt, and Steve back to discuss Steve's impending cancellation for putting himself in the middle of some drama! Steve gives us a recount of the current saga between Zig, Rust, Bun, Fil-C, and his own programming language, Rue. The group discuss the problems with the drama, especially since it overshadows an amazing technical feat: a million lines of code ported to a new language in a week, then shipped to real customers, with a product that pulls in billions of dollars. Steve also made the mistake of complimenting Zig, which caused a 163 comment dog pile onto him. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes what it costs a community when the BDFL of a language says your code sucks, why the fear that LLMs can appear to think says more about us than about them, Steve on why you cannot ban a bunch of floats in a text file, Fil-C's promise of memory safe C and the trade-offs its author will not name, the pull request titled make Zig actually memory safe (unlike Rust), Odin not being notable enough, and Steve drops some exclusive new thoughts: agentic development is actually RTS macro versus micro. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/xjDWZPBfvVI No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Token Maxx: Fury Road | 01 août 2026 | 01:27:40 | |
On this week, we've got Kris, Matt, and Dylan! Yes, Dylan is back to talk about GopherCon and his experience as a self declared late adopter of agentic coding. Dylan chairs GopherCon, speaks at it next week, and describes his own AI hockey stick as happening in about two months. Dylan walks through what is on the GopherCon program, then explains his coding agent tipping point: a dependency injection refactor he had written off that Claude finished in an afternoon. But he's not all in yet: he still won't let one robot review and approve another robot's code. From there the conversation turns to the machine underneath: the model as a CPU and the harness as an operating system. The trio then arrives at money and the uncomfortable reality of how expensive tokens are, and whether that matters at all. They also answer an important question: should enterprises be subsidizing the cheap subscription plans individuals enjoy? We've got an Expanded edition for this episode which means we've got extra content! That includes what really happens to your conference proposal when 200 submissions compete for 25 slots, the mystery process that had Kris's Mac humming, the 200 gigabytes of Go module cache hiding on Dylan's drive, agents that shell out to Ruby and Perl when you asked for neither, caveman prompting, and the math on what a $250,000 engineer actually costs per month. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| I, Builder | 25 juil. 2026 | 00:52:42 | |
Kris and Matt have a pretty big question they're trying to answer this week: in the age of AI, what does it actually mean to build something? We start (for real this time!) with the "SDKs are dead" discourse, and whether you still need one when you can just wrap the HTTP calls yourself. Kris then jumps the conversation to Beej's article on what it means to "make" or "build" a thing, he argues that we already lived through this during the analog-to-digital shift in music, photography, and video. Matt adds his own perspective from when he remodeled his kitchen. The duo doesn't stop with just that. In this week's Expanded edition they discuss the "well, actually" brigade and when technical precision helps versus hurts, the "I versus we" of blame, the identities we get sold and comfort chambers we live in, how character limits and engagement incentives turned social media into rage bait, and Matt's take on why "a persistent machine I can run agents on" is just a computer. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LhtXfZHRyO0. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: Table of Contents:
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| Everything Agentic All at Once | 18 juil. 2026 | 01:11:15 | |
Another week, another deep episode! Kris and Matthew are back and this one goes right off the rails in the best way. What was supposed to be a rundown of the new model landscape turns into a wide-ranging conversation about what AI coding agents actually mean for the people who write software. Matt brings a real dilemma: he had an LLM generate a working program and could not decide whether he still needed to read the code. That kicks off Kris's case for separating validation (did you build the right thing?) from verification (did you build the thing right?), an assertion that we already trust our compilers without reading the machine code, and why prototyping something and throwing it away can be a feature rather than a failure. Matt eventually closes the loop with a story about rewriting an LLM's code from scratch, converging on the exact same design, and finally understanding it. This conversation just kept going and going, and you can listen to the whole thing in the Expanded edition! This week that includes why the US dollar is already a digital currency, a frank conversation about America at its best and worst, why every confident prediction about the future turns out wrong, the mental health toll of clicking approve at two in the morning, and the software identity crisis quietly plaguing many of us. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Landlord of the Rings | 11 juil. 2026 | 00:59:19 | |
Kris and Matthew are back for a duo episode, and Kris has a hot take: ownership is terrible. What starts as a conversation about AI subscriptions versus API pricing turns into a wide-ranging discussion about what we actually gain by owning things, from Photoshop to your own compute to your house. Along the way, Kris and Matthew dig into why enterprises are drifting toward per-token pricing, why AMP's headless "own where it runs, rent the model" approach feels like the future, and why a number like "Meta spent 71 trillion tokens" tells you almost nothing about what got built. They also take apart the tired "now anyone can code" claim with a little help from Ratatouille, and land on a simple ask: think through your trade-offs before you repeat the take. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes a breakdown of flex pricing and overnight agents, a no-mercy ranking of the Claude, Codex, and Gemini ecosystems (plus whose face is more punchable), the hundred-million-token saga of fixing Time Machine backups, Jevons paradox coming for your codebase, and a full teardown of why the IRS can't just send you a bill. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Under Pressure | 04 juil. 2026 | 01:00:12 | |
On this week's episode, Kris and Matthew have a topic: tension. Not the bad kind you learn to avoid, but the productive kind that, like a code smell, is worth stopping to examine. They discuss the challenges of APIs and stability, whether SDKs are actually necessary, and as always a little bit of life advice for our wonderful viewers/listeners. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes Kris's deep dive on why it's actually called soccer (and the perfect apple-versus-fruit comeback for every European), his love letter to Gerrit and patch-based review, Matthew on why the pull request description means jack and what Jujutsu gets right, Kris's saga of building his own podcast platform out of Supercast, Transistor, and Riverside, and the great "machines that build machines, or is that just CICD?" debate. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/3y6D1Gp4TSM. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The Spy Who Banned Me | 27 juin 2026 | 00:27:16 | |
It's Fallthrough time! In this episode, Kris, Matthew, and Steve get into the time Steve pointed Anthropic's Fable at a side project he hadn't touched since January and watched it shepherd 95 pull requests in three days, the US government export banning Fable and its sibling Mythos, the insanity of Mythos popping a national security agency's boxes in a matter of hours, and why a software engineer that runs 24/7 for anyone with an account is exactly the kind of thing governments get nervous about. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes whether your AI agents should file their bugs in your repo or on a private board where they can make as big a mess as they want, the model that forged itself a cookie to get around a testing problem and what it means for an AI to actually understand being a software developer, Steve's deliberately-out-of-context claim that millennials are the only people who know how computers work, Trump signing a quantum cryptography order while openly asking what the whole thing even is, Kris's year-long sales tax rabbit hole where nobody can agree where a person physically is, and the Diet Coke can math that says one exploding rocket is about one percent of an hour of making aluminum. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/h6Ve7WKIQVc. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Of Fables and Mythos | 20 juin 2026 | 01:07:21 | |
Another week, another Fallthrough! In this episode, Kris and Matthew get into the US government slapping export controls on Anthropic's Mythos and Fable models, the marketing machine that made them sound world-ending, and how much of the AI hype actually holds up. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes whether your phone is already an extension of your mind and the "Clean Talk" cleaning influencers who will happily tell you to mix two chemicals that quietly kill you, the Egyptologist on a date who proves a person is smart but people are dumb, why we throw you in jail for robbing a bank but only fine you for wrecking the economy, a no-holds-barred roast of Claude Code and the flickering bug that still will not die, and why AI in the creative fields is really just Photoshop with no shortcut to doing good work. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/zzMFABZ0Rjs. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Shall We Play A Game? | 13 juin 2026 | 00:48:26 | |
Matt and Kris welcome Fernando Duran, the creator of SAD Servers, the site that drops you onto a broken Linux box over SSH with a timer running and dares you to fix it. They go through what SAD Servers is, the spite-fueled interview story that started it all, how companies use it to hire, and the surprisingly lean infrastructure (plus the tiny Go "checker") that makes the whole thing work. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes why technical interviews are broken and the spite that turned one into a business, taking the number two spot on Hacker News without toppling over and the layers that keep the bad actors out, why three availability zones might just be expensive cargo-culting, the metrics that quietly lie to you (from Google-style error budgets to mean time to recovery versus mean time between failures), and the company that accidentally spent half a billion dollars on tokens. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Pull the (AI) Lever, Kronk! | 06 juin 2026 | 01:28:14 | |
Matt and Kris welcome back Bill Kennedy who's been working on Kronk, AI tooling in Go. They go through what Kronk (and it's dependent library Yzma) is, the power of running models locally, and how they see coding agents and LLMs shaping the future of the industry. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes the message-caching trick that turns seconds into thirty milliseconds, why hybrid models quietly wreck the KV cache, Bill's "thirty billion knobs" explainer for dense versus mixture-of-experts models, why demo day is destroying engineering teams, and the stealth-startup math nobody says out loud. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Dependencies All The Way Down | 30 mai 2026 | 01:01:16 | |
Another week, another Fallthrough! In this episode, Kris and Matthew discuss a personal realization about what AI actually unlocks, their workflow philosophies, local models, a recent hot take from Mitchell Hashimoto, and a thought experiment that would break the NPM ecosystem overnight. Like the previous episode (a pseudo part 1), this episode returns to one question: are you moving in a direction, or just moving fast? Kris argues AI has lifted his coding domain ceiling entirely, while Matthew brings some nuance to the "just submit to the LLM, you're an architect now" take. The duo then turns outward: frontier lab CEOs claiming all white-collar work is automated while posting 300 open roles, the strong case for running local models (free, fast, and available right now), and a GitHub supply chain wake-up call triggered by a malicious VSCode plugin installed by an employee. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes Matthew's Shopify in-store pickup problem and whether building your own cash register on Stripe is actually feasible, Kris going deep on typography after Claude critiqued its own publication designs as screaming AI, the pre-fill versus decode speed gap and what it means for how you write prompts, how the US federal budget actually works day to day and why simple answers are the wrong frame, and Stripe's two-business-day payout model versus merchant of record, plus Rhode Island's ongoing war against Matthew's chocolate shop. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Terminal Velocity | 23 mai 2026 | 00:32:34 | |
Has AI eaten all of tech? Is 600 billion tokens too many use in a single month? On this week's episode Matt joins Kris to talk about some of the current news in the tech industry. From OpenClaw's maintainer burning through $1.3 million worth of tokens to why we need more epistemic markers, to the rather absurd $725 billion that big tech plans to spend on AI CapEx this year. And of course, there are layoffs coming as well. Support content? We've got a whole bunch of that! This week that includes a ZFS war story where a thousand-fold write amplification bug stalls every file write, the case for why LLMs hand you mediocre output by default, today's OAuth and GitHub security incidents traced back to a standards fight twenty years ago, a spicy take on who actually holds power inside big tech, and Matthew hand-writing an HTTP server in Rust just to fight off skill atrophy. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| He Who Controls the Source | 16 mai 2026 | 01:25:48 | |
This week we've got Kris and Jamie! They open with the Shai-Hulud worm chewing through the npm supply chain and close on the messy economics of who actually pays for open source labor. And there's plenty of great stuff in between: GitHub's everything-platform creep, the case for LLMs as a way out of dependency hell, and the forge alternatives finally maturing into real options. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes an expansion on Kris's "pull requests as original sin" theory, the everything-platform rant that compares GitHub to Meta Business Suite, a monologue on money, knowledge gaps, and LLMs as a way out of open source debt. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of the aftershow this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Forging Ahead | 09 mai 2026 | 01:26:48 | |
Steve is back to talk JJ (Jujutsu version control) and the related product, ChangeSet, that he works on at East River Source Control. Kris and Steve trace why the GitHub monoculture is finally cracking, what JJ does that Git can't, and Steve's hypothesis that AI agents are pushing companies toward monorepos. Then the pair discuss the Opus 4.7 regression debate, the shift from "always use the frontier model" to using LLMs as one tool among many, and a quick discussion of the Tim Cook to John Ternus handoff at Apple. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes Steve's broader thesis that it's easier to scale a big tool down than scale a small one up, why GitHub's pull request model warped how people use Git, auto-rebase and conflicts as first-class citizens in JJ, AI subsidies, and a Bun being ported to Rust. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: Table of Contents:
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| Regression to the Mean | 02 mai 2026 | 01:11:37 | |
Kris and Ian dig into the slow collapse of GitHub, starting with Ghostty off the platform after years of reliability problems. From there they trace Gary Bernhardt's old observation that we took a decentralized source control system and immediately put it behind a single point of failure, then widen the lens into AI as the engine of enshittification. The episode lands on a more optimistic note: maybe AI is also the tool that lets individuals rebuild the apps they used to have to buy. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes Kris's "AI was trained on the median of human code" argument, the institutional-memory thesis for why AI can't just replace people, a tour of the local-AI hardware landscape with Zig and llama.cpp, Ian's relatable "what is Cursor? what is Warp?" rant, a policy pitch on share-flipper voting rules, and a deep dive on typography as an anti-AI signal. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| No Country for Old Maintainers | 25 avr. 2026 | 00:49:02 | |
Jamie returns, co-hosting with Kris for quite an eventful episode. They start with the Vercel breach, the Axios attack, nvim-treesitter, and Gorilla Mux. Kris draws parallels between the current AI hype cycle to everything that came before: Photoshop was going to destroy photographers, DAWs were going to destroy musicians, and now Claude Code is going to destroy software engineers. Just like the last episode, this one is filled with supporter only content. It's actually an extra episode and a half! This includes a deep dive on OAuth scope design and why consent screens need the Let's Encrypt treatment, Anthropic locking out third-party harnesses, sandboxing LLMs with sandbox-exec and agent-safehouse, Jamie on "no is a complete sentence" and Renovate's unusually pro-maintainer code of conduct, Kris's pitch for $100M of LLM spend going to help maintainers triage backlogs instead of Mythos-style vulnerability hunting, the real complexity behind finance departments and why $250M wire transfers need entire treasury teams, the math on a $800 used 3090 running Qwen 3.5 at Sonnet-level capability, and Anthropic's pivot toward non-engineers with Claude Design and Claude Cowork. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Supply Chain Reaction | 18 avr. 2026 | 01:09:08 | |
After last week's "Another Spectre In The Shell" episode, we felt we needed a follow up! This week Kris is joined by returning co-host Jamie Tanna, with Ian arriving fashionably late. They pick apart the post-Mythos announcement hype cycle, cover counter-narratives from the security community, and examine why our supply chain is already so broken that more powerful LLM barely changes the threat model. The conversation builds toward Jamie's unpop: "a little copying is better than a little dependency" is wrong, we should have more dependencies and then into practical supply chain defense. The episode closes on an infinite-mindset note: supply chain security will never be done and we'll always have things to improve. Supporter content? This episode has a ton of it! If you haven't become a supporter yet, this is the episode to do it! In this week's extras we've got a critique of the "37,000 lines of code a day" claim, Kris's argument that we've squandered most productivity gains in history so why would AI be different, Claude Code fatigue and learning versus delegating, a deep yak-shave into why Kris hates Markdown and is building his publishing platform in raw HTML, a love letter to the web as the best technology we have, a merchant-of-record tangent on VAT and why Stripe isn't enough, Jamie's proposal for a Fallthrough bingo card, and a tangent on Anthropic having a therapist talk to Claude for twenty hours. If you aren't a supporter already, head over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Another Spectre In The Shell | 11 avr. 2026 | 00:50:00 | |
It's Kris, Matt, and Steve this week. It's also Matt's last episode before becoming a father. The conversation opens with Claude Mythos, Anthropic's unreleased model that found 147 zero-days in Firefox's JavaScript engine and a 27-year-old bug in OpenBSD. Steve, who's lived through before, puts it in context. The panel also discusses cooldown periods for package upgrades, the implications of nation-state hacking capability becoming available to anyone, and using AI for good. Supporter content? We've got it! This week it includes a dive into post-quantum security and state-sponsored social engineering attacks. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Snake Oil Has an Expiration Date | 04 avr. 2026 | 00:57:24 | |
It's Kris and Matt this week, and the conversation goes places. It starts with Matt going all-in on Apple and a leaked Claude Code source dump, then pivots into AI companies repeating social media's diversity-of-thought mistakes and why LLMs still can't beat "better than the average human" as a goalpost. The episode closes with a surprise detour into accounting, finance, and why double-entry bookkeeping is one of the original distributed systems. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes a home lab infrastructure rant about terrible BMC/IPMI systems, a nuanced deep dive into corporate DEI and code-switching, Matt's chocolate shop tax war stories, LLC vs S-Corp tradeoffs, and why engineers who dismiss finance are worse engineers. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Who's Afraid of Superintelligence? | 29 mars 2026 | 01:35:42 | |
We've got a full panel! In this episode, Kris, Matt, Steve, and Ian have a deep dive into superintelligence, AGI, and why the fear around them might say more about us than about AI. Steve draws a line from colonialism anxiety to alien invasion movies to superintelligence panic. Kris argues that a truly rational superintelligence would see that oppression consistently fails and cooperation wins. The conversation moves through whether AI is already oppressive, what it means for AI to be a subtle overlord, and why the real threats are mundane failures of leadership, not robot uprisings. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes a philosophical tangent on whether referencing external knowledge counts as knowing, a heated debate about whether humans are hierarchical by nature, Matt's island thought experiment about hierarchy inevitably emerging, and Ian's argument that not everyone needs to be a builder. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The Joy of Building | 21 mars 2026 | 01:38:43 | |
This week Kris and Matt go full homelab. The conversation starts with Kris refreshing his dev setup: migrating NeoVim to 100% Lua, switching from ZSH to NuShell, and rethinking Tmux, all with the help of an LLM. The discussion then moves into hardware: Framework Desktop vs. Mac Studio, the RAM price explosion, 10G networking, WiFi with Private Pre-Shared Keys, and GPUs without display ports. The episode closes with a teaser for a future discussion on why Kris isn't worried about superintelligence. We've got supporter content, of course! This week that includes a mechanical keyboards deep dive, Kris's custom AI research system that runs 73 agent calls in parallel, the memory bandwidth gap between Mac Studio Ultra and datacenter GPUs, and the joy of discovering headless GPU cards. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: Table of Contents:
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| The Least Contentious Proposal in the History of Go | 14 mars 2026 | 01:06:40 | |
Dylan's back this week joining Kris and Matt to tackle Go's UUID proposal (#62026). What Dylan thinksshould have been the least contentious proposal in the history of Go. The panel digs into the proposed API's shortcomings, the flawed ecosystem survey used to justify it, and why the Go team's library design philosophy doesn't hold up. The conversation builds into a broader critique of community dynamics and code of conduct double standards. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the psychological cost of dismissive governance and who actually gets heard, the opaque proposal review process, what the Go developer survey numbers really say about community trust, and a debate over whether GitHub is even the right platform for proposal discussions. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: Table of Contents:
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| Deprecate the Error Interface | 07 mars 2026 | 00:57:17 | |
Another week, another Kris & Matt duo episode! This week, they're picking up where Bryan Cantrill's "Complexity of Simplicity" framework left off and asking what it means for Go's future. Kris argues Go is squarely rebellious (simple and emergent) and that the community needs to stop appealing to the Go team and start owning the ecosystem. The episode builds to a (potentially unpopular) proposal: deprecate the error interface. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes Oxide's counter-cultural approach to hiring, a riff on tech industry irony and title inflation, and a deep dive into why Go couldn't ship general-purpose coroutines. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Package Hell | 28 févr. 2026 | 01:00:56 | |
Another week, another Kris & Matt duo episode! This week, we're digging into Go codebase structure, package design, and why the community keeps struggling with the same problems. The conversation starts with a Gopher Slack discussion about how to arrange Go code, moves through package hell and dependency cycles, and ends with a look at community health. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes Go's missing project boundary and why internal is a blunt instrument, real world package design patterns, and how modules broke the elegant simplicity of Go's database/sql driver pattern. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Kris and Matt dissect the magic underscore imports in database/sql, argue you should just test against a real database, and then spend the back half debating where Go lands in Bryan Cantrill's "Complexity of Simplicity" quadrant framework. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/ep/29. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Is Go Simple Anymore? | 21 févr. 2026 | 01:09:40 | |
Another week, another Kris & Matt duo episode! This week, they're talking about Go. They cover the recent generic methods proposal by Robert Griesemer, results from the 2025 Go Developer Survey, some highlights of the 1.26 release, and more! As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the survey's tooling data, a deep dive into GOPATH nostalgia and why Go Workspaces can't save the AWS SDK's 70,000+ tags, Kris's research into the entire Go module proxy, and a structural argument for why the module system's base premises don't hold. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. No episode of Break this week. We'll have more aftershow episodes soon! In the meantime, catch up on previous episodes at https://break.show. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Lava Layers | 14 févr. 2026 | 00:56:20 | |
This week it's Kris and Matt diving into the state of hardware, security, and what local AI actually needs to work. The conversation starts with AI agent social networks and why prompt injection is the unsolved SQL injection of our era, then shifts into why memory bandwidth is the real bottleneck for running models locally. Matt compiles Rust on a Mac Studio at the Apple Store, and the two debate whether the traditional PC build is even worth it anymore. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the security primitives nobody uses, Kris's local AI research pipeline, the myth that you'll actually upgrade your components, Matt's DaVinci Resolve nightmare on Arch Linux, and why the Mac Pro doesn't know what it is anymore. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Kris and Matt dig into why the chat interface is just the piano keyboard moment for AI, the pair programming gap where agents can't notice your manual edits, and the Codex personality controversy. They close with a teaser for next week's Go generic methods discussion. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/28. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The Vibes-Based Legal System | 07 févr. 2026 | 00:49:35 | |
This week Steve's back to tackle the big question: is AI-generated output copyrightable? The conversation includes discussions of the Copyright Act of 1976, the philosophy of why copyright exists at all, whether LLM training is learning, and why owning a style would destroy culture. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the Coca-Cola DEA deal and why trade secrets beat patents, what happens when copyright expires on open source code, turning software into giant prime numbers, the JSON "for good and not evil" licensing saga, and a deep dive into why open source licensing is an honor code system that's quietly falling apart. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Kris, Matt, and Steve pick up the copyright thread and ask whether it even matters to working developers, draw parallels to the U.S. tax system, and debate whether the frantic pace of AI standards is chaos or just what innovation looks like. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/27. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The AI Factory Floor | 31 janv. 2026 | 01:02:39 | |
This week we're talking about Gastown! Dylan and Steve join Kris to break down the viral project that spins up hundreds of Claude Code instances to build a software factory. Steve makes the case for why this is an inevitable evolution and the conversation digs into what it actually means to treat software development as a factory floor. The panel traces the cycle from mainframes to PCs to cloud to AI, debates whether data centers are really the environmental villain, and gets into the real economics of AI pricing. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the crypto rug pull scheme targeting open source maintainers, why conEdison is actually good at their job, whether AI subscriptions are just Uber-style subsidization all over again, the gambling psychology of usage-based costs, and Steve's secret project Docket. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Kris and Steve dive deep into semantic versioning, the real cost of "breaking changes" in Go, and a whirlwind history of package managers from CPAN to NPM to Go modules. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/26. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Systems Thinking for Humans | 24 janv. 2026 | 00:53:13 | |
Annie and Michael Hedgpeth, founders of People Work, join Kris and Matt to unpack the junior hiring crisis and what's really broken about how we grow engineers. Annie's viral blog post sparked debate about whether senior engineers have abandoned their responsibility to mentor and whether our obsession with career ladders created the problem. The conversation moves from systemic dysfunction to solutions: People Work, their local-first app that helps engineers manage professional relationships with a systems thinking approach. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes Kris's unconventional career path, a rant about why we have too many engineering titles, deep dives into relational intelligence and privacy concerns around workplace surveillance, and the technical architecture behind People Work: Swift frontend, Rust backend, and a custom DSL inspired by HCL. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Annie and Michael stick around as the panel digs into why early career engineers rush to prove themselves, the trap of becoming "the glue person" instead of building technical depth, and why your strength as a junior is that you don't know anything yet. The panel also discusses some spicy topics like why software engineers spew logical fallacies, and the future of computing as hardware gains slow down. They round out the episode with some Unpopular Opinions. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/25. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| When Reality Drifts | 16 janv. 2026 | 01:09:33 | |
Nick Gerace, Engineering Manager at System Initiative, joins Kris and Matt to explore what infrastructure management looks like beyond Terraform. Nick walks us through how System Initiative differs from traditional IaC, why git isn't really your source of truth, and how the company pivoted to AI-first tooling. The conversation turns to Claude Code and MCP tools before landing on a nuanced discussion about distributed systems, and how the messy, eventual consistency of real life mirrors the systems we build. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes deep dives into System Initiative's architecture evolution from Postgres to a custom graph database, Nick's passionate defense of domain-driven design in Rust monorepos ("if I see a util directory, I go a little nuts"), why AI won't replace musicians (or you), and a spicy take on AI, capitalism, and power structures. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Nick sticks around as the hosts compare audio engineering backgrounds, discuss the IC to manager journey, and take a hard turn into hardware—dual 3090 TIs with NVLink, the case for water cooling, Kris's absurd home lab, and everyone's temptation toward Framework Desktops and Mac Studios. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/24. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| New Year, New Nuance | 10 janv. 2026 | 01:00:44 | |
New Year, New Nuance! In this episode, Kris and Matt discuss what they're looking forward to in 2026—Matt shares the exciting news that he's becoming a dad, and the duo explore the value of growth, changing your opinions, and adding more nuance to how you see the world. They talk about what they're excited to build this year, from physical projects like woodworking and doors to the podcast platform they keep talking about. Kris shares how a conversation with Claude finally made electricity click, leading to a broader discussion about LLMs as "digital librarians" and what education should really be about: teaching you how to teach yourself. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes deep dives into local AI infrastructure, home networking with 10G and WireGuard, and a spicy rant about why centralized package management is fundamentally broken. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Where the two reflect on AI doomerism's mental health toll, why things aren't worse than before, the logistics behind society's real problems, and turning waste into opportunity with BASF's Verbund principle. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/23. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Stack Trace 2025 | 31 déc. 2025 | 01:16:10 | |
We decided to do our own wrap up for the year. We've called it Stack Trace, and we pulled a bunch of stats from the first year of Fallthrough. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Dylan talk through these stats and how they feel about Fallthrough's first year. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/22. In this week's bonus content, we've got some extra stats! Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Worse Is Better | 25 déc. 2025 | 01:02:48 | |
There's a famous joke essay called Worse Is Better, which compares the New Jersey and the MIT ideologies. In this episode, Kris and Matt discuss these two different ideologies and how they show up in technology, from Go, to dependency management, to electric vehicles. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/21. In this week's bonus content, the duo discusses how idealistic thinking has slowed down the adoption of electric vehicles and what a better path forward might have looked like. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes:
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| Why Is Tech So Mid? | 20 déc. 2025 | 00:57:44 | |
In the tech industry, we talk about how exceptional and innovative we are. But are we really? In this episode, Kris and Matt explore why they see the industry as pretty mid and how things should be better. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/20. In this week's bonus content, the duo discusses the problems with hype and how it's not just about the tech industry. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Project Management 2 Shell | 12 déc. 2025 | 01:07:13 | |
Another Cloudflare outage. A CVSS 10.0 React RCE vulnerability. We've been dealing with quite a lot these last few weeks. In this week's episode, Kris and Matt discuss the outage and vulnerability and have a deeper discussion about project management and how all of these things relate to each other. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/19. We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. This week we've got an extended discussion about how process should follow people, not the other way around. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Ghostting Is Better Than Shelling | 05 déc. 2025 | 01:10:23 | |
We've had Mitchell Hashimoto on a couple episodes, and each time we've discussed his vision for libghostty. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about what the vision for libghostty actually means for the industry as a whole and the power of platforms. The duo also covers the new models that have dropped and how they see using the various models that have become available. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XbjmqlSWlKI. This week's episode of break continues the conversation, where they continue this conversation and talk about how we're all becoming writers. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/18. We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. All of them are together in the middle of the episode, with a small intro and outro around them. In this week's bonus content the duo discusses how AI might help save Stack Overflow, how it's making us write more specifications for software, and how it might lead to a much more viable funding model for the web. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet | 25 nov. 2025 | 00:52:31 | |
This cannot keep happening. Another day, another outage. On this week's episode Kris and Matt talk about the recent Cloudflare outage. And boy do they have thoughts, we really hope you enjoy this exchange of monologues. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LsOgDolc9Fw This week's episode of break continues the conversation, with a few more monologues and some thinking about the state of things. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/17. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear about the Cloudflare outage in a bit more depth and hear the duos take on being a generalist versus a specialist. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The AI Marketing Problem | 20 nov. 2025 | 01:05:20 | |
The tech industry is terrible at marketing things. From AI to Blockchain to Git, we constantly miss the actual innovation by looking too closely at the surface level. In this episode, Kris is joined by the full panel of Ian, Matthew, and Dylan to discuss the marketing problem AI seems to have and its wider implications. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/4nGG8Mv4L88 This week's episode of break continues the conversation, with a deeper discussion around the marketing point and a whole bunch more. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/16. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear how the panel is currently using AI and the importance of embracing being human. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Artisanal Software Engineering | 12 nov. 2025 | 01:08:32 | |
Software engineering has an identity problem. Some software engineers want to be craftspeople and artisans, while others want to be more like the traditional engineers, while others just want to write some code. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about the state of software engineering today and the areas that they think could use improvement. For this week's episode of break, we're pulling one out of the archives! Sometimes we record an episode and don't ship it for quite a while, and this one was recorded all the way back on July 30th! Kris and Matt talk about their (at the time) yet to be recorded episode with Mitchell, Oxide's Series B announcement, and have another conversation about software artisans. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/15. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear the duo's feelings about project management, the industry's lack of planning, and Kris' recent change in view around artificial intelligence. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The Fault In Our Clouds | 04 nov. 2025 | 01:05:00 | |
First it was GCP in June. Then it was AWS in October. Then it was Azure a week later. It seems that our cloud providers are having outages far more often, and for far longer, than any of us would like. In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matthew discuss the two most recent outages along with some of their thoughts on the current state of the industry and the future of software. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! The panel talks about whether seeking a career with a FAANG company is worth it anymore, why building software for your local community is important, and their frustrations with point of sale systems. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. EXTRA! EXTRA! There's lots of bonus content in this episode! And if you're a supporter you're getting all of it. In this week's extra chapters the panel talks about whether we all need to be on large cloud providers, frustrations with food delivery app PINs, whether timeouts and retries should be our go to, and why it feels like software is constantly getting worse. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes:
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| JJ and How to Evolve an Open Source Ecosystem | 28 oct. 2025 | 00:58:06 | |
Jujutsu is a new version control system that's gaining in popularity. Its swappable backends allow users to continue using version control systems like Git without other users even noticing. Steve Klabnik aims to be a big part of it. Much like with Rust, he's getting involved early and making some big swings. In this episode, he joins Kris and Matt to discuss JJ and his recent announcement that he'll be joining East River Source Control to work on JJ and related projects full time. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. Love extra content? Well if you're a supporter you're getting some. This week's extended edition includes bonus content includes a chapter on the need for new layers and another chapter on potential plans for a JJHub. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| DevOps: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything | 20 oct. 2025 | 01:07:21 | |
In this episode, hosts Angelica Hill and Matthew Sanabria are joined by special guest Cory O'Daniel to dive deep into DevOps. They chat through some of the big questions shaping the industry: Is the "cloud promise" still holding up? What role does on-prem infrastructure play now? And perhaps most importantly, what does "DevOps" even mean today? We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. We've got a ton of supporter content in this episode, so our supporters can hear Cory's thoughts on why technology choices should be kept simple, why we aren't thinking things through, and why the C-Suite forgets the pain of being an IC. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| Ghostty & The Shell | 13 oct. 2025 | 00:57:16 | |
Mitchell once again joins Matt and Kris to give us an update about Ghostty, a new library he's working on called libxev, and some of his thoughts around AI. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters on Mitchell's talk on open source governance and requiring AI disclosures for Ghostty contributions. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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| The Failure of Open Source Leadership | 07 oct. 2025 | 01:30:12 | |
Open source project leaders have faced heavy challenges over the last decade and a half. It seems every language community has had conflicts with its leadership: Python with the struggles of the Python 2 to 3 migration; Node.JS and the community's conflict with Joyent; Rust and their handling of trademarks and IP; Wordpress and their conflict with WPEngine; and of course Go and their conflict around dependency management (and error handling). Now we've added another: the recent conflict between Ruby Central and the community. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Steve discuss these conflicts and what they tell us about the way we've come to see leadership within open source projects, where the blame actually lies, and what changes we can make to avoid these issues in the future. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters about the sustainability of the current model and where we should place blame for the current problems. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes:
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| PHP Was Never Dead | 30 sept. 2025 | 01:14:36 | |
This week we've got a grab bag episode! Kris and Matt discuss a variety of topics, including a GopherCon debrief (featuring some RustConf comparisons!), why people can't be mad all the time, the need for better abstractions, and so much more! We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about carefully selected criticism and a new Linux distro. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: Table of Contents:
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| Defer Life Considered Harmful | 23 sept. 2025 | 01:18:09 | |
From AI winters to Tiny Go, Ron Evans has a long and storied career. In this episode he joins Angelica and Matt to discuss his journey, what past AI winters can tell us about our current AI moment, the importance of Tiny Go, and so much more. This week's episode has a Break aftershow! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about epistemology and how AI affects newcomers to programming. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes:
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| Building For The Future | 15 sept. 2025 | 01:36:21 | |
We've all experienced the dreaded rewrite. A system that was promised to last for years has grown so full of technical debt and cruft that we feel we need to throw it out and start over again. How can we avoid this? In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Jon Sabados, where they discuss how to build software that can last long into the future. This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. This week's episode features a bonus chapter for supporters! Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents:
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