Many view the recent rise in the unemployment rate as a concerning sign about the economic outlook, fueling recession fears. Could the US economy fall into recession, and will overly tight Federal Reserve policy be to blame? In the latest episode of Goldman Sachs Exchanges, Allison Nathan discusses these questions with three top economic minds: Claudia Sahm, the creator of the “Sahm rule” and Chief Economist at New Century Advisors, former Federal Reserve Bank of New York President Bill Dudley, and Goldman Sachs Vice Chairman and former Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Rob Kaplan. This episode explores the latest Top of Mind report, “Is the Fed behind the curve?” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Twenty-five years ago, Goldman Sachs research analyst Kathy Matsui wrote a report about the Japanese economy called Womenomics, stating that future potential economic growth will depend on increased female labor participation. So how much progress has been made in Japan and around the world? Sharon Bell, Senior Strategist on the European Portfolio Strategy Team within Goldman Sachs Research, and Asahi Pompey, Goldman Sachs Global Head of Corporate Engagement and President of the Goldman Sachs Foundation, discuss the gains — and gaps — in female workforce participation and the impact to economic growth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Long-time large-cap growth manager Kathleen McCarragher of Jennison Associates speaks with Goldman Sachs’ Betsy Gorton about investing through multiple economic cycles, her perspectives on AI and growth opportunities, and her advice on building and leading teams. To hear from more Great Investors, check out: Capital Group’s Rob Lovelace on long-term investing, succession planning, and leadership lessons; Dimensional’s Founder and Chairman David Booth on being an index pioneer, working with Nobel laureates, and investing through uncertainty; KKR’s Henry Kravis on private equity, culture, and global markets. And for more on large-cap stocks, listen to: Goldman Sachs Exchanges: Are the largest US stocks too dominant?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The recent banking turmoil in the U.S. and Europe triggered by the failure of Silicon Valley Bank — the largest bank failure since the 2008 financial crisis — seems to have abated, but questions remain about whether banking stress could resurge and what policymakers can do to prevent that. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, which is based on Goldman Sachs Research’s Top of Mind report, All about bank(panic)s, former policymakers Daniel Tarullo and Thomas Hoenig, and Yale’s Gary Gorton, explain the drivers behind the recent crisis, the potential for it to repeat, and what rules and regulations might help prevent that.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From artificial intelligence and machine learning, to virtual reality and wearable technology, disruptive tech has been at the forefront of markets and investors’ minds. So how are investors and tech founders alike approaching trends in technological innovation during a time of stress in the markets and banking sector? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs’ Clif Marriott, co-head of the Technology, Media and Telecommunications Group in EMEA for Global Banking & Markets, spoke with Ophelia Brown, founder and managing partner for early-stage venture capital firm Blossom Capital, explain how founders of tech startups across Europe are navigating the stress in the banking sector, the types of emerging technologies they're most excited about and how investors are approaching opportunities in the current environment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Even the world's largest companies aren't immune to activist investors. With the management teams of large-cap companies attracting the attention of activism campaigns, what are the implications for corporate strategy and shareholders? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs’ Avinash Mehrotra, co-head of America's M&A, who runs activism, shareholder advisory and takeover defense practices, along with Pamela Codo-Lotti, who serves as the global chief operating officer for the practice in Global Banking & Markets, discuss the rise in shareholder activism campaigns, especially among large-cap companies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs: Great Investors, Stephen Pagliuca, senior advisor at Bain Capital, speaks with Alison Mass, chairman of Goldman Sachs Investment Banking, about his career in private equity at Bain Capital, his views on the economy and investment landscape, and his experience managing the Boston Celtics and Atalanta soccer club.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In an era of geopolitical instability and economic uncertainty, what are the implications for companies and investors? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, George Lee and Jared Cohen, the co-heads of Goldman Sachs’ newly created Office of Applied Innovation, discuss shifts in the geopolitical landscape, how rapidly evolving technology is impacting our world, and how the new office works with the firm’s clients to explore issues that sit at the center of a changing global marketplace.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Since the failure of Silicon Valley Bank, investors are closely watching how stress in the financial sector is spreading through markets and the economy. With First Republic Bank and Credit Suisse making headlines, policymakers are examining what they can do to steady markets and restore confidence. So, has the fallout been contained? And what does this all mean for investors’ portfolios? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Richard Ramsden, who leads the research coverage of the banking sector, Chris Hallam, who covers the banking sector in EMEA, and Brett Nelson, head of tactical asset allocation for the Asset & Wealth Management Investment Strategy Group of Goldman Sachs, provide an update on the banking sector and discuss what this means for investors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank has sparked broader concerns about the health of the banking industry. So what is the significance of these events? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Richard Ramsden, who leads the coverage of the banking sector, and Lotfi Karoui, chief credit strategist, discuss how we got here, the significance of recent regulatory measures, the implications for credit creation, and more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stronger economic data has recently raised concerns that inflation is likely to remain stickier than expected. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Rick Rieder, chief investment officer of Global Fixed Income at BlackRock, and Praveen Korapaty, chief interest rates strategist at Goldman Sachs Research, say interest rates have somewhat further to climb and are likely to stay at higher levels for longer. Rieder and Korapaty also share their views on the global outlook for bonds across Europe and Japan, as well as the implications for investors. This episode is based on Goldman Sachs’ most recent Top of Mind report, (Japanese) Bonds, Bonds, Bonds. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How are retailers navigating an environment of slowing consumer demand, high interest rates and rising prices? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs’ Vishaal Rana, is joined by AutoZone Chairman, CEO and President William C. Rhodes III, Best Buy CEO Corie Barry, and Ikea U.S. CEO and Chief Sustainability Officer Javier Quiñones, to discuss the trends and critical issues facing the retail industry today. This episode was recorded at the annual Retail Industry Leaders Association CEO Forum in Palm Beach, Florida. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As the global economic backdrop continues to improve, is it time to invest in emerging markets? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Kay Haigh, co-CIO of Fixed Income, and Hiren Dasani, co-head of emerging markets equity, within Goldman Sachs Asset & Wealth Management, discuss the recent rally in emerging markets and the outlook for 2023.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As two of Europe's three largest economies head to the polls, what are markets telling us about the political landscape? Goldman Sachs Research's Sharon Bell and George Cole explain how France's looming parliamentary elections are affecting French stocks and bonds, while UK financial markets have been relatively stable ahead of the country's general election. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a special episode of the Exchanges at Goldman Sachs podcast, Goldman Sachs Chairman and CEO David Solomon shares his views on the macroeconomic environment — including his concern that inflation is likely to be “stickier” and harder to manage — as well as what’s on the minds of clients and the CEOs he meets with. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As new artificial intelligence technologies, such as ChatGPT, capture the public’s imagination, are we at a tipping point in technological advancement — or is this the next bubble? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Eric Sheridan, head of Internet coverage, and Kash Rangan, head of software coverage, discuss the technologies and investment implications, as well as the challenges and opportunities in the space. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2022 was a difficult year for investors' portfolios, and while our Investment Strategy Group expects this year to be less turbulent for markets, there is still a fog of uncertainty facing investors. So, should investors stay invested in the markets? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Sharmin Mossavar-Rahmani, head of the Investment Strategy Group and chief investment officer of Wealth Management at Goldman Sachs, addresses this question and outlines her team's investment themes and views for the year ahead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs: Great Investors, Marc Rowan, CEO and co-founder of Apollo Global Management, speaks with Alison Mass, chairman of Goldman Sachs Investment Banking, about leading one of the world’s largest alternative asset managers, the fundamental changes that are reshaping markets and economies, building a strong workplace culture, and why everyone should “be curious, not defensive.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recession was the big fear heading into 2023, but the global growth outlook seems to be — if anything — improving. But could this better growth outlook in itself reignite inflation concerns? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Jan Hatzius, Stanford’s Hoover Institution’s John Cochrane and Carlyle Co-founder David Rubenstein dig into the risks around an inflation resurgence. This episode is based off of Goldman Sachs’ most recent Top of Mind report, “The Bigger Worry: Growth or Inflation?” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs: Great Investors, Pete Stavros, co-head of Americas Private Equity at KKR, speaks with Alison Mass, chairman of Goldman Sachs Investment Banking, about his role in implementing broad-based employee ownership models, his views on the economy and investment landscape, and his efforts to enhance the financial resilience of the workforce.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Commodities were the best-performing asset class in 2022 but have recently taken a hit as recession fears loom. So what's in store for them in 2023? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Jeff Currie, global head of commodities research, explains why commodities are poised to outperform.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are the long-term trends shaping the global economy? What countries are likely to power global growth in the decades to come? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Kevin Daly, co-head of the economics team covering Central & Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa, discusses the team’s long-term projections and the continued convergence between emerging and developed market economies.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s in store for economies and markets in 2023? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Jan Hatzius, head of Goldman Sachs Research and the firm’s chief economist, and Dominic Wilson, Senior Advisor in the Global Markets Research Group, explain why they believe the U.S. can avoid a recession and how the economic landscape is improving in Europe and China in 2023.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After soaring to record levels in 2021, the global M&A market slowed in 2022 against a challenging economic environment. So what can we expect in 2023? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Stephan Feldgoise and Mark Sorrell, the co-heads of the Global Mergers and Acquisitions business in Goldman Sachs Investment Banking, discuss the drivers behind 2022’s activity and what to expect in the year ahead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Goldman Sachs’ Christian Mueller-Glissmann and Alexandra Wilson-Elizondo discuss their outlooks for asset classes and portfolios heading into the second half of the year, as well as medium- and longer-term asset allocation shifts investors might make to accommodate a more dynamic macroeconomic backdrop. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The recent rapid collapse of cryptocurrency exchange FTX on the heels of the crash of Terra’s Luna stablecoin and the failure of the Celsius crypto lending platform has sent shockwaves through the crypto ecosystem. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Former Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission Jay Clayton, Former Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission Timothy Massad, Head of Research at One River Asset Management Marcel Kasumovich, and Professor at Yale School of Management Gary Gorton, discuss what the regulatory landscape for digital assets looks like today, what it may be lacking, and how that may be fixed. This episode is based off of Goldman Sachs’ most recent Top of Mind report, “The Winter of Crypto’s Discontents”.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Banks are often seen as a bellwether for the economy—so what are they signaling about the outlook for the US? GS Research’s Richard Ramsden and Alex Blostein discuss in the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, also sharing the themes and sentiment they took away from the recent GS US Financial Services Conference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Market volatility, inflation and positive correlations across assets have put a question mark on the diversification benefits of multi-asset portfolios. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Christian Mueller-Glissmann, who heads asset allocation research, breaks down what investors should keep in mind when building portfolios in 2023.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rising concerns over climate change are spurring investments into clean energy to help bring the world closer to net zero. But where are we in that transition? And how is that path to decarbonization affecting investments in traditional oil and gas projects? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Michele Della Vigna, head of natural resources research for Goldman Sachs in EMEA, explains the impact of higher fossil fuel prices on the low-carbon transition and the investment that is required to get to net zero. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Central banks’ aggressive policy tightening has raised concerns about what could break in a global financial system accustomed to low rates. In the latest Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs’ Allison Nathan speaks with Jeremy Stein, Professor at Harvard University and a former Federal Reserve Board Governor, and Vítor Constâncio, former vice president of the European Central Bank, about which financial stability risks are worth watching, whether policymakers have the tools to manage those risks, and if they could prompt central banks to slow or even pause tightening. The episode is based on Goldman Sachs Research’s latest Top of Mind report.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Plentiful natural gas supplies and mild weather across Europe are creating optimism that the continent may be able to avoid shortages and blackouts this winter. But is that optimism premature? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Samantha Dart, a senior energy strategist who focuses on the natural gas markets, and Jari Stehn, our chief European economist, discuss the state of Europe’s energy crisis and its impact on the broader European economy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As the voting continues from the U.S. midterm elections, the results so far indicate a status quo in country’s political divisions. But what does a divided Congress mean for policy, markets and economic growth? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Alec Phillips and the Office of Government Affairs’ Joe Wall analyze the results of the U.S. midterm elections and the impact for policy and economic growth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As the holiday shopping season kicks off — against a backdrop of high inflation and slowing economic growth — will consumers continue to remain a bright spot in the U.S. economy? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s David Mericle, chief U.S. economist, Kate McShane, U.S. retail analyst, and Eric Sheridan, U.S. internet sector analyst, discuss the health of the consumer and the implications for economic growth.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Amid rising interest rates, high inflation, and market volatility, a challenging macroeconomic environment is throwing individuals’ retirement readiness off track. In the latest Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Michael Moran, a senior pension strategist in Goldman Sachs’ Asset Management Division, explains how today's complex backdrop, as well as competing financial priorities, are affecting individual retirement plans. This episode is based on the latest findings from the team’s Retirement Survey & Insights Report 2022, Navigating the Financial Vortex.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s top of mind for exceptional entrepreneurs? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs’ Kim Posnett, global head of Investment Banking Services, sat down with two company founders — Henrique Dubugras, co-founder and co-CEO at Brex and Carolyn Childers, co-founder and CEO at Chief — to discuss their founder journeys, how their businesses are adapting to a challenging macro environment, and what they are most optimistic about for their futures. The episode was recorded at the firm’s annual Builders and Innovators Summit.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The demand for power, driven in part by the rise of generative artificial intelligence, is set to grow to levels not seen in a generation. Goldman Sachs Research’s Carly Davenport, Alberto Gandolfi, and Brian Singer discuss the drivers behind their forecast of a surge in global power demand and the investments required to meet that demand.  Related articles on AI include AI is showing ‘very positive’ signs of eventually boosting GDP and productivity and Generative AI could raise global GDP by 7%. For more: Goldman Sachs Exchanges. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The 20th Party Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, which kicked off on Sunday, promises to be one of the most significant events for China in modern history, not only because President Xi Jinping is widely expected to secure an unprecedented third term, but also because it comes amid the country’s slowest pace of growth in decades. So, whether the Congress marks an inflection point for economic policy is Top of Mind. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Susan Shirk, chair of the 21st Century China Center at UC San Diego, David Li, professor at Tsinghua University, and Hui Shan, Goldman Sachs Research’ chief China economist, discuss what to watch for that could presage a policy inflection, what that inflection may look like, and what it could mean for growth. This episode is based on GIR’s Allison Nathan’s latest Top of Mind report. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s been a bleak year for the stock market which, despite some short-term rallies, is still firmly entrenched in bear market territory. So where do we go from here? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, David Kostin, chief U.S. equity strategist in Goldman Sachs Research, discusses the outlook for U.S. equities and the sectors and styles still working in today's environment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s behind the volatility in the currency markets—and how much higher can the dollar go? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Kamakshya Trivedi, Head of Global Foreign Exchange, Interest Rates and Emerging Markets Strategy, discusses what a surging US dollar and falling currencies across markets from the UK and Japan to China and Europe mean for global growth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of the fastest-growing sectors in the fashion and apparel industry has been the resale market, fueled by price and environmental concerns. So what are the opportunities and challenges for retailers and investors? And how will the macro challenges facing today’s consumers affect the sector? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, James Reinhart, CEO & Co-founder of thredUP, and Karen Levin, a managing director in Goldman Sachs’ Consumer Retail Group, discuss the rise of secondhand fashion and how brands are pivoting their retailing practices towards a more sustainable future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the fight to combat high inflation, the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank have embarked on aggressive tightening paths. But how much damage to economic growth will they ultimately have to inflict to win this fight? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Jan Hatzius, Goldman Sachs’ chief economist and head of Goldman Sachs Research, and Olivier Blanchard, C. Fred Bergsten Senior Fellow at the Peterson Institute, debate whether the Fed can rebalance an overheated labor market — a key requirement to tame inflation — without a sharp rise in unemployment. This episode is based off of Goldman Sachs’ latest Top of Mind report.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Has the stock market hit bottom yet? Or are we seeing another false bottom? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Peter Oppenheimer, Chief Global Equity Strategist and head of Macro Research in Europe, explains why the bear market in stocks isn’t over. Oppenheimer’s latest research, which analyzes the characteristics of bear markets over time, suggests that investors are likely to see further bumpy markets before a decisive trough is established. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While the real estate market has been a near sure-fire investment in recent years, rising rates, inflation and recession risks are reshaping the investment landscape. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Jeff Fine, global head of Real Estate Client Solutions and Product Strategy, and Nora Creedon, an investor in our private Real Estate business in Goldman Sachs Asset Management, look at how the new macro realities are creating new risks and opportunities for investors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The business of life sciences came into sharp focus after the pandemic highlighted the effectiveness of mRNA vaccines in protecting people against COVID. But what exactly is life sciences and is the recent market weakness a threat to future innovation — or an opportunity? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Amit Sinha, head of Life Sciences Investing in Goldman Sachs Asset Management, discusses the evolution of life sciences and how investors are approaching the risks and opportunities within the biotechnology sector. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The recent decline in commodity prices has provided a rare respite for central banks trying to rein in high inflation. But are the energy and food crises afflicting the world actually easing? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, commodity bull Jeff Currie, Goldman Sachs’ Global Head of Commodities Research, and commodity bear Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co., debate whether the recent commodity price declines will prove temporary or more lasting while Meghan O’Sullivan, Professor at Harvard University, discusses the geopolitical implications of the commodity crisis and Chris Barrett, Professor at Cornell University, dives deep into the global food crisis and explains what could solve it. This episode is based off of Goldman Sachs Research’s latest Top of Mind report.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs: Great Investors, Tara Alhadeff, partner at Permira, talks with Alison Mass, chairman of Goldman Sachs’ Investment Banking Division, about investing in iconic brands like Doc Martens, Valentino and Golden Goose and the outlook for discretionary spending in times of volatility. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Federal Reserve has historically led a relatively synchronized monetary policy cycle across the major economies, but this cycle seems to be shaping up differently. Goldman Sachs' Chief Economist and Head of Goldman Sachs Research Jan Hatzius, Peter Praet, former chief economist of the European Central Bank, and Maurice Obstfeld, former chief economist of the IMF, discuss the implications of central bank divergence for economies and markets. This episode explores the latest Top of Mind report, Central Bank Divergence: Room to Run? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Asian American community has seen marked success in education, income and innovation but remains underrepresented in managerial and executive positions, according to new research from Goldman Sachs Research. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs Research’s Hui Shan, Chief China Economist, and Daan Struyven, Senior Global Economist, discuss the contributions and challenges of the Asian communities in the U.S. and countries across the globe — and the role that policymaking can play in creating a more equitable future.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs: Great Investors, Eurie Kim, Managing Partner at Forerunner Ventures, speaks with Goldman Sachs’ Katie Koch, Chief Investment Officer of Public Equity in Goldman Sachs Asset Management, about the evolution of direct-to-consumer businesses, her investment philosophy and the dislocation between private and public market valuations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Small businesses are the life blood of the U.S. economy and the backbone of local communities , but the current economic environment is proving especially challenging. At last week’s 10,000 Small Businesses Summit, more than 2,500 small businesses owners convened in Washington, D.C., to share their experiences and advocate for meaningful policy change. In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, recorded at the summit, Asahi Pompey, president of Goldman Sachs Foundation, and Joe Wall, a managing director in the Office of Government Affairs, joined host Allison Nathan and two small business owners, Natalie Kaddas and Merv Cutler, to talk about the crucial tests they’re facing – and the opportunities they see.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices