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| Titre | Date | Durée | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 86: Icon design | 13 Sep 2026 | 00:57:04 | |
Anthony and Katie chat about articles written about Cursor's new icon designs. Original article: https://www.minoradventures.co/blog/the-making-of-cursors-icons Interview with Marek: https://www.casestudy.club/marek-minor-interview Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 85: Simplicity | 30 Aug 2026 | 00:45:04 | |
How does simplicity differ from minimalism or complexity? Tune in to find out. Articles/books mentioned: Simplicity by Per Mollerup Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 84: Interface elements with too much responsibility | 02 Aug 2026 | 00:29:33 | |
Anthony and Katie each pick a few interface elements that are really pulling their weight, perhaps more than they should be. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 83: Onboarding to a new design project | 19 Jul 2026 | 00:46:27 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss starting new roles and the process of getting up to speed with visual design styles you may not yet be familiar with. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 82: Config 2026 | 02 Jul 2026 | 00:56:40 | |
Talks discussed:
Anthony's blog post: https://anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230428 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 81: The Layers model of product design with Jamie Mill | 14 Jun 2026 | 00:58:20 | |
Anthony and Katie chat with returning guest Jamie Mill about this elements of product design diagram and how he's transferred that concept into an AI agent skill. Check out Jamie's first episode with us, episode 53, for more context on the concepts discussed today. Jamie's elements of product design: https://jamiemill.com/blog/2021-07-10-elements-of-product-design/ Layer's skill: https://layers.jamiemill.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 80: The state of AI for visual design | 31 May 2026 | 00:41:35 | |
Anthony and Katie analyze two versions of an AI generated issue tracking interface. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 79: Text editing with Michael Aufreiter | 10 May 2026 | 00:50:12 | |
Katie and Anthony are joined by Michael Aufreiter, an expert in all things text editing. It turns out that text editing is quite a complex interaction, enough so that we could have gone on another hour discussing it. Check out Michael's work: https://svedit.dev Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 78: The career episode | 19 Apr 2026 | 00:37:36 | |
After years of intentionally not discussing career advice, today's the day. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 77: Making an interface feel premium | 05 Apr 2026 | 00:39:32 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss some interface quality of life improvements. You'll have to go find Anthony's blog post on the topic yourself. We believe in you. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 76: Visual design with Laura Sinisterra | 01 Mar 2026 | 00:48:55 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by designer Laura Sinisterra, a visual designer with a unique mathematical, geometric style. We chat about her visual style, how she might define it and what inspired it. Check out Laura's website: https://laurasinisterra.com/ Follow on X: https://x.com/Lauracsc_ Links mentioned: Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 75: The AI rant episode | 15 Feb 2026 | 00:45:24 | |
Anthony and Katie allow themselves a cheeky little rant about the topic on everyone's mind, AI. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 74: How many icons is too many | 25 Jan 2026 | 00:44:00 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss Nikita Prokopov's "It's hard to justify Tahoe icons". Article link: https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 73: Desktop UX | 11 Jan 2026 | 00:52:26 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss Scott Jenson's talk titled "Are we stuck with the same desktop UX forever" Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZTOjd_bOQ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 72: Famous design phrases | 21 Dec 2025 | 00:59:00 | |
Anthony and Katie each bring some famous design phrases to discuss. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 71: The materials interfaces are made of | 07 Dec 2025 | 00:49:28 | |
Sometimes interfaces mimic physical materials like paper or metal. Anthony and Katie discuss why this might be, what kinds of materials seem most common and how this has shifted over time. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 70: Things that are easy vs. hard to design | 23 Nov 2025 | 00:48:12 | |
Anthony and Katie compare things that feel easy to design vs. hard. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 69: Practical Uses of AI for Designers | 09 Nov 2025 | 00:49:22 | |
Anthony and Katie share ways to use AI in your design practice that don't involve code or generative images. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 68: Interface Design Assets (typefaces, imagery, icons) | 26 Oct 2025 | 00:53:32 | |
Anthony and Katie share some of their favorite design assets. Links mentioned: https://simplebits.shop/collections/fonts Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 67: Vector vs. Code Based Design Tooling with Andreas Møller | 12 Oct 2025 | 01:05:21 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by Andreas Møller, co-founder of Nordcraft. Nordcraft aims to bring design and development closer together, and as you can imagine Andreas has a unique perspective on design tools. What happens to "hand-off" when designers can get their ideas 90% there? Find Andreas on Bluesky Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 66: Interface Design Then & Now with Microsoft's First Interface Designer Virginia Howlett | 28 Sep 2025 | 01:15:36 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by Virginia Howlett, author of Visual Interface Design for Windows and one of the first interface designers at Microsoft. Virginia is also an artist, and her paintings can be found on her website https://www.virginiahowlett.com/. We discuss what it was like being a designer 30 years ago (spoiler: some things haven't changed!), the connection between graphic design and interface design, and what it was like pioneering design decisions that we take for granted today. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 65: Listener Q&A | 31 Aug 2025 | 01:12:34 | |
Anthony and Katie answer a few listener questions. Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 64: Big vs Small Software | 17 Aug 2025 | 00:47:56 | |
Anthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 63: Being Intentional About Quality with Lance Willett | 03 Aug 2025 | 01:10:30 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by Lance Willett, Chief Quality Officer at Automattic. There's a lot packed into this hour long conversation, but a few things we touch on are: - Measuring and championing quality in distributed teams - Navigating feedback culture and team dynamics - Balancing craft, context, and care in product development Hardik Pandya tweet Anthony mentioned: https://x.com/hvpandya/status/1949733270897188935 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 62: MacOS Through the Ages | 20 Jul 2025 | 00:52:30 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most. Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preference Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 61: Liquid Glass | 06 Jul 2025 | 00:47:33 | |
Anthony and Katie chat about Apple's Liquid Glass. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 60: Designing Tools to Support Creativity with Matt Beaudouin-Lafon | 22 Jun 2025 | 01:02:12 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design. Links mentioned:
Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 59: Material 3 Expressive | 02 Jun 2025 | 00:37:02 | |
Anthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 58: Thoughts on Config 2025 | 18 May 2025 | 00:49:46 | |
Anthony and Katie chat about Config 2025. Talks mentioned: The maximalist theory of minimalism Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 57: The Gap Between Design and Execution with Alex Krasikov | 04 May 2025 | 00:43:51 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by design engineer Alex Krasikov to discuss .. you guessed it, design engineering. Alex Krasikov: https://x.com/alex_krasikau Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 56: Navigation | 20 Apr 2025 | 00:51:47 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 55: Design is Decision Making | 06 Apr 2025 | 00:40:34 | |
Anthony and Katie define the process of decision making as it relates to design. Anthony's post: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1904449738084094138 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 54: Design vs. Development | 16 Mar 2025 | 00:45:24 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss some differences and similarities between design and development. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 53: Deep Dive on the Conceptual Model Layer with Jamie Mill | 02 Mar 2025 | 01:04:58 | |
Anthony and Katie are joined by Jamie Mill to discuss his post on the elements of product design. Jamie Mill: https://jamiemill.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 52: Visual Design Techniques We Love | 16 Feb 2025 | 00:40:40 | |
Anthony and Katie each pick their top 3 most loved design techniques in the spirit of Valentine's Day. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 51: Thoughts on the book Do Design: Why beauty is the key to everything by Alan Moore | 02 Feb 2025 | 00:42:17 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss the book Do Design: Why Beauty is the Key to Everything by Alan Moore. Do Design: https://thedobook.co/products/do-design-why-beauty-is-key-to-everything?Format=Paperback Anthony's list of short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Dan Luu: Willingness to look stupid Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 50: Starting from Scratch vs. Improving Existing Design | 19 Jan 2025 | 00:54:14 | |
Anthony and Katie discuss what it takes to start designing something from scratch compared to working on an existing product, and the upsides/downsides of both. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 49: Design Folklore with Guy Segal | 05 Jan 2025 | 00:52:13 | |
Katie, Anthony and special guest Guy discuss design folklore: what it is, where it might come from, and how to best use it in your design practices. Guy Segal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guysegal Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 48: Ghosts of Software Past, Present and Future | 22 Dec 2024 | 00:35:43 | |
Anthony and Katie bring on the holiday vibes by discussing the past, present and future of software design. Bah humbug! New design systems podcast Katie mentioned: On Theme Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 47: People We Admire | 08 Dec 2024 | 00:45:14 | |
Designers and developers that have influenced us. The folks we mentioned: Stephanie Eckles Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 46: Design for Developers with Nate Butler | 24 Nov 2024 | 00:59:56 | |
What does it really mean to design for developers? Should you cater to power users or beginners? Anthony, Katie and Nate discuss this (and more) with lots of spicy takes and speculation. Nate Butler: https://nate.cv/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 45: Constraints | 10 Nov 2024 | 00:43:36 | |
What are the different kinds of constraints and how do they impact design? Anthony and Katie break it down into several types of constraints including: arbitrary, technical, principled, and convenient. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 44: How to be a more strategic designer with Jared Spool | 27 Oct 2024 | 00:58:27 | |
Jared Spool joins Anthony and Katie to discuss what it means to be a strategic designer. We cover what strategy means, different leadership styles, and the difference between outcomes vs outputs. Find Jared Spool on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmspool/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 43: Design for Customization | 13 Oct 2024 | 00:40:51 | |
What's the difference between customization and personalization in interface design? Anthony and Katie discuss this along with the benefits/downsides of designing for customization. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 42: Performative Good Design | 22 Sep 2024 | 00:45:08 | |
It's a ranty one folks. What is performative design, and why does it exist? Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 41: Elegance vs. Extravagance | 08 Sep 2024 | 00:43:47 | |
Anthony shares a quote to define elegance vs. extravagance as "do a lot with a little vs. a lot with a lot". Katie and Anthony discuss how this relates to interface design and the impact it has on interaction design and product longevity. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 40: Should Designers Code? | 25 Aug 2024 | 00:42:58 | |
How might designers learning how to code impact interface design? Enjoy this extremely reasonable conversation between Katie and Anthony. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 39: Possible Futures for AI in Interface Design with Maggie Appleton | 11 Aug 2024 | 00:56:27 | |
Anthony, Katie and special guest Maggie Appleton speculate about how AI could impact interface design in the future. The five possible futures we discussed:
You can find Maggie on Twitter or on the web at https://maggieappleton.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 38: Visual Design in Design Systems with Jeremy Elder | 28 Jul 2024 | 00:56:27 | |
Anthony, Katie and special guest Jeremy Elder chat about the visual design aspect of design systems. Find Jeremy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyelder GitLab's papercuts site: https://papercuts.gitlab.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||
| 37: Good Interface Design Habits | 14 Jul 2024 | 00:42:34 | |
Anthony and Katie share their top habits for good interface design. Design inspiration site Anthony mentioned: https://mobbin.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman | |||