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514: Doing More With Lees | Ryan Monkman09 sept. 202600:53:39

Lees are more than sediment at the bottom of a tank. Recorded at CiderCon 2026 in Providence, Rhode Island, cidermaker and fermentation consultant Ryan Monkman explores how cidermakers can put lees to work throughout fermentation, élevage, and bottling.

Ryan digs into fine and gross lees, cracking lees, bâtonnage, autolysis, oxygen management, fault correction, bottle conditioning, and practical ways to decide which lees to keep and which to let go.

Timestamps

00:00 Cider Is Sensory

02:25 News From Ciderville

04:29 Back To CiderCon

05:29 Fine, Gross And Cracked Lees

07:58 Passive To Active Uses

09:29 Harvesting And Storing Lees

13:16 Cracking Lees

18:53 Why Crack Fresh Lees

21:46 Using Lees In Fermentation

26:15 Bâtonnage And Élevage

28:30 Using Lees To Correct Faults

31:10 Bottling, Canning And Kegging

35:22 Dosing Lees For Ancestral Cider

36:41 Traditional Method And Sur Lie

38:07 What To Watch For With Lees

39:55 Bâtonnage Timing And Technique

41:55 Bâtonnage And Oxygen

43:25 Cracked Lees And Autolysis

44:26 Building Three Cider Styles

47:03 Élevage Strategies

48:17 Bottling The Three Ciders

49:35 Lees, Yeast And Terroir

50:54 Ryan Monkman Wrap Up

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513: Still Cider, Single Apples and Time | Sowams, Rhode Island26 août 202601:06:34

What happens when a cidermaker decides to do less and give cider more time?

Spencer Morris of Sowams Cider Works in Warren, Rhode Island, makes cider with more than 70 apple varieties, old mechanical rack-and-cloth presses, glass demijohns and a remarkably hands-off approach.

Explore still cider, single-varietal apples, long aging on the lees, native fermentation, and why some Sowams ciders aren't released until they are three or four years old.

Timestamps

00:00 Doing Less and Giving Cider Time

00:25 Meet the Guest

01:59 Single Varietal Cider

05:25 News from Ciderville

08:24 Fall Cider Festivals

10:29 Arriving in Rhode Island

12:55 Inside Sowams Cider Works

14:38 Spencer's Cider Story

18:38 Orchard and Rootstocks

22:37 Harvest Timing

24:55 Fermenting in Demijohns

31:59 No Sulfites, No Filtration

35:15 Aging Cider and Favorite Apples

37:07 Storing Apples Before Pressing

37:49 Concentrating the Fruit

38:30 Culling Apples and Sediment

40:53 Hands-Off Fermentation

42:07 Customers and the American Palate

46:15 Rhode Island Heritage Apples

48:53 Tasting the Orchard Blend

51:44 Serving Cider and Batch Numbers

55:03 Blending Apples at the Press

58:04 Tasting Rhode Island Greening

01:01:13 Weather and Vintage Variation

01:02:17 Visit Sowams and Final Thoughts

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512: Plant the Damn Apple Tree | Special Edition24 août 202600:10:10

Cider Chat MC Ria Windcaller reads her August eCiderNews editorial, Plant the Damn Apple Tree, reflecting on entrepreneurship, uncertainty, abundance, and what an apple tree might teach us about the time in between.

FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK: SUMMER 2026 NEWS CYCLE REFLECTIONS

Cideries close. People in our community are passing. The weather is never dull.

And somewhere in all of that is a question:

Knowing how uncertain the outcome is, would you choose otherwise?

READ THE ORIGINAL eCIDERNEWS EDITORIAL

Plant the Damn Apple Tree
https://ciderchat.com/plant-the-damn-apple-tree/

EPISODE 512 TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Editorial Welcome
01:08 Maybe and the News
02:16 Why We Keep Trying
02:43 Cidery Closures Context
03:56 My Entrepreneur Ledger
05:45 Choosing Abundance
07:01 Plant the Apple Tree
07:52 Time and My Mom
08:48 Deal and Sign Off
09:50 Ciderville Outro Chant

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511: Hungarian Cider Comes of Age | Bright Cider12 août 202600:54:15

Hungary may not have a centuries-old cider tradition like England or France, but that is exactly what makes its modern cider movement so exciting.

In this episode, Cider MC Ria Windcaller travels to Budapest to meet András Kovács and Marcell Lukatsi, founders of Bright Cider, who are helping shape what Hungarian cider can become. From traditional method sparkling cider and heirloom apple varieties to the newly formed Hungarian Cider Association and the country's first-ever Cider Salon, discover how a new generation of makers is defining a distinctly Hungarian cider identity.

Along the way, you'll hear how two friends turned a shared love of cider discovered on ski trips into one of Hungary's most innovative cideries, why forgotten local apple varieties matter, and how cider can open the door to unexpected discoveries in art, history, and culture.

Timestamps

00:00 Hungary Cider Surprise

01:14 Show Intro and Guests

02:40 Ciderville News Roundup

04:48 French Cider Tour Preview

06:48 Tea Room Interview Setup

10:27 Bright Cider Origin Story

12:14 Naming Bright Cider

13:52 Founders' Backgrounds

19:29 Pandemic Launch and Team

20:31 Traditional Method Focus

22:07 Hungary's Heirloom Apples

26:17 Rosie and Product Lineup

29:24 Vranja Quince Blend

29:58 Cider Lineup Overview

30:43 Ice Cider Cryo Method

31:30 Yeast Choices Explained

32:47 Stainless Steel and Eco Focus

35:50 Events and Finding Bright Cider

37:45 Hungarian Cider Association

39:10 Defining Cider in EU Law

43:03 Apples, Pears and Orchards

47:13 Future Plans in Etyek

50:48 Travel Reflections and Signoff

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Support Cider Chat

If you enjoy independent cider journalism and conversations with cider makers from around the world, consider supporting Cider Chat.

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Stay Connected

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510: From Barrels to the Pub | The People's Cider Co., Michigan29 juil. 202600:59:44

Most cider makers dream of expanding their barrel program. Jason Lummen did the opposite.

In Episode 510, Ria Windcaller visits The People's Cider Company in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where Jason explains why he shifted from barrel-aged ciders to dry, sessionable ciders that keep people coming back for another round. Along the way, they discuss local apples, pub culture, changing American tastes, and what it means to build a cidery around community rather than complexity.

Time Stamps


     
  • 00:00 Craft Palate Lightens

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  • 01:04 Meet Jason Lummen

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  • 02:06 Welcome to Cider Chat

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  • 04:02 GLINTCAP Reunion Story

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  • 06:43 Ciderville News Roundup

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  • 10:09 Totally Cider Tours

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  • 11:27 Sessionable Success Shift

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  • 12:21 Cheers with Pommeau

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  • 12:45 Fruit Ridge Apple Sourcing

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  • 15:13 Old Orchards vs. Trellis Systems

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  • 18:29 Cider Maker Origin Story

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  • 23:44 The Pressing "Aha!" Moment

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  • 25:49 Tiny Pub, Big Vibe

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  • 30:10 House Yeast and Wild Ferments

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  • 31:04 The Flavored Cider Debate

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  • 32:14 A No-Sulfites Philosophy

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  • 33:19 The Shift to Sessionable Cider

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  • 33:38 Brick Street Nightclub

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  • 35:32 Rethinking the Barrel Program

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  • 36:57 Why American Palates Are Changing

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  • 39:02 A Toast with Pommeau

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  • 39:45 The People's Cider Company Origins

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  • 42:24 The Raised Fist Logo

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  • 46:16 Winning Over New Cider Drinkers

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  • 50:44 COVID and the Patio Lifeline

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  • 52:28 Life as a Publican

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  • 53:28 The Best Part of the Job

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  • 56:37 Contact Info for The People's Cider Company

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  • 57:23 Closing Reflections

🍎 Find the full show notes for Episode 510 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link:
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509: Mr. Plūme | In the Heart of Latvia's Fine Cider15 juil. 202601:03:03

Episode 509 takes us to the heart of Latvia to meet Dace and Māris Plūme, the husband-and-wife team behind Mr. Plūme, an award-winning orchard cidery known for both still and naturally sparkling ciders.

Their journey began with a chance taste of homemade cider that inspired Māris to train in Normandy and Austria before returning home to help shape Latvia's growing fine cider movement. Along the way, they explain why still cider deserves a place alongside sparkling cider, how heirloom apples define their work, the role of wild fermentation, and why patience is one of a cider maker's greatest tools.

Ria also shares the latest News from Out and About Ciderville, including updates on CiderCon 2027, eCiderNews, GLINTCAP, orchards around the world, and this fall's French Cider Tour.

Ciders tasted:
• Semi-Sweet Still Cider
• Pearadise Pet-Nat

Timestamps

Timestamps

- 00:00 – Still Cider Origins
- 00:23 – Welcome to Cider Chat
- 02:31 – Ciderville News Update
- 05:42 – Orchards Around the World
- 08:48 – Fires and Normandy
- 10:54 – Meet Mr. Plūme
- 11:55 – Latvia and Location
- 13:17 – Māris' Cider Journey
- 15:34 – Latvian Traditions
- 17:24 – Heirloom Apple Abundance
- 19:29 – Orchard and Grafting
- 22:20 – Learning the Craft
- 25:52 – Life as a Married Cidermaking Team
- 28:01 – A Microcidery Philosophy
- 29:35 – Tours and Education
- 30:59 – Bottle Sizes and Sales
- 31:52 – Small Bottles and Hops
- 32:44 – Wild Fermentation
- 33:27 – The Story Behind Their Still Cider
- 34:44 – Reading Latvian Labels
- 35:35 – A Latvian Toast
- 35:52 – Tasting the Still Cider
- 36:58 – Why Still Cider Matters
- 39:33 – Awards and Philosophy
- 41:44 – Yeast and Apple Blends
- 43:20 – The Baltic Cider Scene
- 47:35 – Stopping Fermentation Naturally
- 48:56 – Aging and Storage Challenges
- 52:23 – Pouring Pearadise Pet-Nat
- 54:40 – Flavor Notes and No Sulfites
- 59:11 – Where to Find Mr. Plūme
- 1:00:40 – Thanks and Sign Off
- 1:02:42 – Closing Outro: We Like Cider Round

508: The American Cider Association Responds to Questions About CiderCon 202701 juil. 202601:09:54

The announcement that CiderCon 2027 will be co-located with the Craft Brewers Conference sparked one of the most active online discussions the cider community has seen in years.

In this episode of Cider Chat, ACA Board President Christine Walter joins host Ria Windcaller to discuss why the decision was made, the financial realities facing CiderCon, how the conference will operate alongside the Craft Brewers Conference, and what it means for the future of the American Cider Association.

The conversation also explores cider's identity, the role of orchard-based producers and commercial brands, the ACA's current leadership structure, and whether this partnership is intended to become a long-term model.

Whether you're planning to attend CiderCon 2027 or simply want to better understand the thinking behind one of the cider industry's biggest announcements, this episode offers an in-depth conversation on where things stand today.

Time Stamps

00:00 Why CiderCon Is Co-Locating

00:15 Meet Your Host

01:31 CiderCon 2027 Shakes Up Ciderville

03:29 News Out and About Ciderville

04:51 French Cider Tour Update

08:48 Setting Up the Conversation

10:46 The Future of the American Cider Association

12:41 Why the ACA Chose This Partnership

16:25 Survey Results and Other Options

21:25 Protecting Cider's Identity

21:47 How Co-Location Will Work

28:30 Why Now? Lessons From Providence

32:37 Concerns About Beer Culture

34:46 Safety, Inclusion, and Progress

38:15 Headlines, Keynotes, and Programming

40:36 What Cider Can Learn From Beer

43:42 Big Cider, Small Cider

47:43 Messaging, Tours, and Community

51:46 Leadership and Financial Challenges

56:22 National Conference or Regional Future?

1:01:12 A One-Year Experiment?

1:03:56 An Invitation to Show Up

1:07:08 Host Reflection

1:09:21 Until Next Time in Ciderville

🍎 Find the full show notes for Episode 508 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link:
https://ciderchat.com/podcast/aca-cidercon-2027-questions/

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507: Expand Your Universe | Woodfolk Cider, Ontario Canada17 juin 202600:53:19

Sometimes all it takes is one sip.

It happened to the founders of Woodfolk Cider, Martha Lowry and Alistair Whitehead, and it can happen to YOU! What began as a shared love of food, drink, and hospitality eventually led them to plant orchards, build a cidery, and welcome visitors to their 87-acre farm in Ontario, Canada.

Today, their orchard-based cidery sits among forests, rivers, rolling hills, and rows of young cider apple trees and the open invitation to expand your universe one glass at a time.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 The Cider Discovery Moment
00:52 Meet Woodfolk Cider
02:23 French Cider Tour Update
04:49 Secret Tap at Four Phantoms
07:53 eCiderNews Roundup
10:33 Welcome to Woodfolk's Orchard
12:18 The Farm and Family Origins
13:03 From Music and Brewing to Cider
15:09 Distilling, Spirits and Ontario Taxes
17:38 Building the Tasting Room Experience
18:17 The Woodfolk Cider Lineup
19:19 Introducing Tannic Cider to New Drinkers
21:17 The LCBO Challenge for Farm Cideries
24:14 Pressing Apples and Growing Orchards
26:51 Perry Pears, Climate and Terroir
29:22 Harvest-Based Fermentation
29:49 Barrel Aging and Neutral Oak
30:57 Learning From Happy Accidents
32:00 Yeast Choices and Orchard Diversity
33:48 Tasting Meadowland
34:54 Harvest Dates and Labeling Rules
36:23 Cider, Stewardship and Community
40:06 Modern Love Cider
40:39 Copper Moon and the Art of Blending
43:54 Food Pairings and the "Aha" Moment
46:33 Looking Five Years Ahead
48:17 Final Thoughts on Woodfolk Cider
49:55 French Cider Tour Reminder
51:04 Closing Theme Song

Contact info for Woodfolk Cider

Located near Orillia, Ontario, approximately 90 minutes northwest of Toronto.

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Direct Link:
https://ciderchat.com/podcast/507-woodfolk-cider-ontario/

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506: Richard Yi on Craft, Family, and the Future of Brooklyn Cider House03 juin 202600:54:53

Richard Yi of Brooklyn Cider House isn't interested in making cider that appeals to everyone. He's interested in making cider with personality and if you've ever enjoyed hearing a cider maker tell the story behind the glass, you're going to enjoy this conversation.

In this epiosde, you'll hear how a young man who once imagined a future in engineering found his way into the family cider business. Richard shares the influence of his father, Peter Yi, the evolution of Brooklyn Cider House, and why embracing the unpredictability of fermentation has become central to his philosophy.

Along the way, we discuss:

• Growing into a family cider legacy
• The transition from engineering to fermentation
• Why cider doesn't need to taste the same every year
• Orchard expression and vintage variation
• The role of trust in fermentation
• Brooklyn Cider House's approach to craft and authenticity
• Building a cider culture that values difference over uniformity

Whether you're a cider maker, orchardist, or simply someone who enjoys discovering what makes a cider unique, Richard offers thoughtful insights into the balance between tradition, experimentation, and family.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Cider With Personality: Richard Yi's Approach to Craft Cider

01:34 Ciderville Standards Update

03:19 French Cider Tour 2026 Preview

04:50 Meet Richard Yi of Brooklyn Cider House

05:44 Family Roots, Wine, and the Path to Cider

07:23 Richard's Food Pairing Philosophy

09:31 Working Inside Brooklyn Cider House

10:43 Succession Planning and Learning the Craft

14:23 Building the New Paltz Farm and Orchard

17:28 Creating a Destination Tasting Room

18:27 Pizza, Barbecue, and Growing Crowds

21:10 Events and Community Building

23:15 Celebrating Korean Culture Through Cider

25:21 Craft Cider Versus Commodity Production

26:05 Native Yeast Fermentation and Cider Making

30:03 Wild Fermentation Versus Cultured Yeast

30:44 Small-Batch Ciders and Limited Releases

31:25 The Story Behind Nomad Cider

33:19 Nomad Cider Tasting Notes

35:24 Apples, Oak, and Barrel Aging

37:37 Sherry Cask-Aged Cider Explained

39:28 Lopez de Heredia and Winemaking Influence

42:15 Dance: A Basque-Inspired Fruit Co-Ferment

43:58 Dance Cider Tasting Notes and Technique

48:31 Innovation, Growth, and Consumer Trends

49:56 The Legacy of Peter Yi

51:17 Tandem Ciders Joins the CiderGoingUP Campaign

53:21 Cider Chat Summer Schedule and What's Next

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Find the full show notes for Episode 506 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/506-richard-yi/

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505: Cider Senseis: Discipline, Craft, and the Cost27 mai 202600:44:25

There is a question that keeps coming up in cider, small business, and independent media:

Is this sustainable?

In this episode, Ria sits down with Adrian Luna, known as the Hard Cider Guy, for a conversation that goes well beyond cider. What starts as a discussion about content creation quickly turns into something deeper. Two practitioners, each with their own discipline, circling around the same hard truth: if you do not value your work, no one else will.

This is not about rejecting collaboration or generosity. It is about understanding the long-term cost of working for free, and what it takes to build something that lasts.

From orchard life to media strategy, from martial arts philosophy to the realities of burnout, this episode asks what it really means to take your role seriously, whether you are making cider or telling its story.

Timestamps

00:00 Is Cider Work Sustainable

01:28 Episode Theme and What's at Stake

02:12 Orchard Life and Spring Work

03:47 Planting, Grafting, and Growing Trees

07:02 French Cider Tour and Limited Spots

10:22 Meet Adrian Luna The Hard Cider Guy

11:20 The Cider Sensei Mindset

13:42 Finding Cider and Career Shift

15:51 Building the Hard Cider Guy Brand

17:21 From Scholarship to Cider Career

19:13 Too Many Hats Small Business Reality

20:53 Burnout in Cider and Media

24:20 Mission Statement Versus Making Money

26:03 Does Cider Need Independent Media

27:54 Should Creators Be Paid

29:32 Why You Should Not Work for Free

29:59 Martial Arts Discipline and Cider Ethics

30:50 Why Cider Media Needs Support

32:24 Finding Your Lane in Cider

33:16 Education and Audience Building

35:29 Hooks Versus Authentic Content

37:19 Discipline Through Adversity

42:33 Community Responsibility in Cider

48:15 Key Takeaways from the Conversation

49:12 Support Cider Chat and Keep It Going

50:12 Strange Apples Outro

Find the full show notes for Episode 505 at CiderChat.com
Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/505-cider-senseis-media-value/

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504: Why Breweries Are Making Cider (and What It Means)20 mai 202600:54:20

What happens when breweries start making cider… not because they have to, but because they want to keep drinking beer?

That question kicks off episode 504 featuring Dan Kramer and Ben Anhalt of Element Brewing Company.

"Most breweries probably see cider as a way to let them continue making beer."

That line says a lot. And it opens the door to a bigger conversation.

Breweries adding cider isn't just about diversification.
It's not just about gluten-free taps.
And it's definitely not just about adding another SKU.

Something is shifting.

In this episode, we dig into:
• Why breweries are turning to cider right now
• What changing consumer habits have to do with it
• How cider fits into a beer-first business model
• What this trend means for independent cider makers

At Element, cider isn't an afterthought. It's part of a strategy to stay relevant in a changing market and a window into where craft beverages may be heading next.

Time Stamps
00:00 Why Breweries Are Making Cider
02:01 Season Travels Recap and Road Notes
04:44 Tours, Travel Updates, and France Signup
06:44 Meet Element Brewing Company
07:07 From Brewing to Distilling: The Origin Story
10:43 Barrels, Aging, and Apple Brandy
15:37 Sourcing Cider and Apples for Production
19:23 Why Breweries Are Adding Cider Now
23:53 Branding and the Element Two Concept
25:44 South Deerfield Expansion Plans
29:13 Cider Making Mindset
29:40 Tasting a Dry Botanical Cider
30:36 Yeast Choices and Sweetness Strategy
32:15 Balance First: Building Flavor
33:38 ABV, Structure, and Serving Glassware
34:59 Learning Curve and Cider Books
35:50 Apple Varieties, Terroir, and Flavor
38:33 Experimentation and Small Batch Cider
41:12 Personal Palates and Fridge Favorites
42:40 The Bigger Shift: Breweries Moving to Cider
46:00 Advice: Make Your Cider Stand Out
48:53 Apple Brandy Toast
49:40 Why Independent Cider Media Matters
51:54 Tom Oliver and 500 Episodes
53:00 #CiderGoingUp Campaign
53:45 Final Sign-Off

Find the full show notes for Episode 504 at CiderChat.com

Direct link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/504-breweries-making-cider-element/

Mentions in this episode: Totally Cider Tour to France

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503: Audio Snapshots from the UK Blossom Time Tour | What Is Proper Cider?13 mai 202601:12:50

Episode 503 takes you through England and Wales with audio snapshots from the UK Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour while exploring one big question: What is a proper cider?

Travel orchard roads through Somerset, Herefordshire, Gloucestershire, and Wales as tour guests share reflections on traditional cider, perry pears, wild fermentations, farmhouse hospitality, blossom-covered orchards, and the people keeping cider culture alive. From Ross on Wye and Oliver's Cider and Perry to Gwatkin Cider Mill and beyond, this episode captures the feeling of living inside cider country for a little while.

Time Stamps

00:00 Proper Cider Defined
01:42 Tour Craft and Group Flow
04:07 Season Updates and UK Teasers
07:22 Pouring Quince and Rolling Clips
08:50 Trevor's Tour Takeaways
13:25 George and Marla's Cidery Story
20:18 France vs UK Cider Culture
24:35 Tom's Cider Journey via Spirits
32:28 Richard and Elizabeth's Mountain Cidery
39:36 Tour Gratitude Recap
40:52 UK Apple Diversity Takeaway
41:39 Cider Kindergartner Graduates
44:19 Cheese Box and Stinking Bishop
45:55 Perry Pear Center Passion
46:43 Usk Castle Cider Picnic
47:27 Blossom Tour with Syracuse Duo
49:11 Far Orchard Mystique and Bees
50:22 Cask Cider Hospitality
53:03 Gwatkins Bag in Box Secrets
55:21 Why Guided Tours Work
59:16 Last Minute Traveler Gene
01:01:08 Farmhouse Cider and Beer Overlap
01:06:33 Proper Cider at Wilkins
01:10:24 Signing Off and Theme Song

Find the full show notes for Episode 503 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/503-uk-blossom-time-proper-cider/

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502: Hungary Uncorked / Cider Going UP06 mai 202600:56:39

Travel with Cider Chat to Hungary for audio snapshots from the country's first Cider Salon, featuring makers from across Central and Eastern Europe, orchard visits, and a look at why Hungarian cider is a region to watch.

00:00 Budapest Travel Update

02:24 Cider Salon Plans

04:13 Litke Champagne Caves

06:34 Hungary Surprises and Lessons

09:44 Meet Andrew at St Matthias

11:35 Election Energy at Castle

16:13 Turul Bird and Innovation

18:53 Hungarian Cider Roots

22:23 Salon Maker Zuhatag

26:57 Asturian Sidra Reunion

30:06 Cidery Near Ukraine

31:27 Tom Oliver in Pécs

31:44 Why Hungary Matters

34:15 Cider Salon Worldwide

35:20 Natural Wines at Balaton

36:02 First Palinka Tasting

37:19 Teachers Cider Table

38:13 Czech Cidérka Spotlight

40:24 Dark Cider Origins

43:24 Bosnia Bohorina Ciders

45:43 Serbian Cider Shop

47:52 Cider Has No Borders

48:51 Orchard Visit and Paprika

50:36 Quince and Wild Ferments

52:47 Next Hungary Salon and UK Tour

54:12 Strange Apples Outro Song

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Direct Link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/502-hungary-uncorked/

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501: How to Taste Cider29 avr. 202600:26:35

Welcome to Season 11 of Cider Chat.

After 500 episodes exploring how cider is made, Episode 501 brings it back to the glass—how to taste cider in a way that actually feels natural.

No jargon. No pressure. Just a simple, sensory approach:

  • What do you smell?
  • What do you see?
  • What do you feel?
  • Do you want another sip?

Includes a quick mention of Great Lakes International Cider and Perry Competition and why judging is very different from everyday drinking.

00:00 Pommeau Snowy Epiphany

01:26 Stop Overexplaining Cider

02:59 Taste With Feelings

04:05 Season 11 Kickoff

04:34 Tours And Community News

05:52 Glintcap And Judging

09:38 Pour A Glass Together

10:13 Aroma First Impressions

11:58 Look And Notice

13:34 First Sip Reaction

14:07 Structure And Mouthfeel

15:59 Memories Around The World

18:49 Finish And Another Sip

20:30 Buy A Second Bottle

22:32 Final Sip And Wrap

24:03 Strange Apples Outro

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Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/501-how-to-taste-cider/

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How Cider Is Made | Lessons from 500 Episodes of Cider Chat22 avr. 202600:30:31

In this milestone Episode 500, we return to a simple question that has come up again and again over the past ten seasons of Cider Chat:
How is cider made?

After hundreds of conversations with cider makers, orchardists, historians, and fermentation experts around the world, this episode brings together the core lessons shared across 500 episodes - from orchard to bottle.

This episode walks through the cider making process step by step, including:

  • Apples and cider apple varieties
  • Milling and pressing
  • Fermentation and yeast
  • Malolactic fermentation
  • Barrel aging and lees aging
  • Blending
  • Bottling and conditioning
  • The science behind cider making

Throughout the episode, listeners are directed to past Cider Chat episodes where these topics are explored in depth with cider makers and experts from around the world.

Episode 500 also reflects on the growth of Cider Chat, the global cider community, and the people who make up Ciderville.

Thank you for listening, supporting, and being part of the journey to 500 episodes.

00:00 Welcome Episode 500

00:36 Season Voices Montage

01:51 Why Cider Chat

06:12 Cider Back To Basics

08:07 Orchard And Apples

11:10 Apple Stories And Resources

13:11 Milling And Pressing

16:57 Fermentation Essentials

18:27 Barrels And Oak Choices

19:30 Blending Art And Science

24:58 Time Bottling And Patience

25:43 Episode 500 Reflections

28:15 Thanks And Season Eleven

29:14 Outro And Bonus Banter

Find the full show notes for Episode 500 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/500-how-cider-is-made/

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499: The Omnia Era of Cider | Pommes in Art Revisited15 avr. 202600:27:40

Episode 499 of Cider Chat looks at the "Omnia Era of Cider" - a time when everything is happening at once in modern cider, from traditional methods to new styles and experimentation.

Using art history and the Pommes in Art story as a guide, this episode explores how we often don't realize we are living in an important era until years later.

This episode serves as a pause before Episode 500, where we return to the beginning and talk about how cider is made.

00:00 Episode 499 Prelude

01:00 Chaos Then and Now

03:31 Omnia Era Explained

05:46 Art as Cider Lens

06:13 Michelangelo David

08:45 Renaissance to Cider

11:13 Arcimboldo Fruit Portraits

13:35 Pomona and Vertumnus

16:35 Sack of Rome Shift

18:29 Mannerism and Omnia

23:17 Talking Pommes Banter

25:53 Looking to Episode 500

Find the full show notes and photos for Episode 499 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/499-the-omnia-era-of-cider/

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498: Heeman's Cellar | Somewhere Cider from Ontario08 avr. 202601:12:05

In this episode of Cider Chat, we visit Heeman Cellars in Ontario, where a multi-generational strawberry farm expanded into cider and mead production focused on heritage apples, terroir, and experimentation. We taste blends, single varietals, and rare apples including Wayne, Swayzie – Pomme Grise, Yarlington Mill, and crab apples while discussing Ontario cider history, barrel aging, Pet Nat cider, and what it means to make cider that comes from somewhere.

00:00 Somewhere Cider Idea

02:17 Episode Setup Tom Heeman

03:44 Cider Travel Updates

06:16 Road To Episode 500

10:19 Heeman Farm Origins

11:18 Orchard Plans Partnerships

12:04 London Ontario Location

14:13 Apples Bees Cider Bug

15:28 Cider Mead Beginnings

17:18 Launching During Covid

19:58 Style Shift Toward Dry

23:26 Ontario Terroir Apples

25:48 Family Buy In

27:51 Tasting Flight Begins

30:10 Magic Apple Story

34:52 New Traditions Pet Nat

36:14 Somerset Blend Deep Dive

37:55 Ontario Blend Origins

38:23 Aging Takes Time

39:04 Yarlington Mill Pour

40:28 Terroir and Acid Balance

41:51 Somewhere Cider Philosophy

42:12 Happy Space Mission

45:16 Wayne Apple Discovery

47:13 Old World Notes Explained

51:32 Swayze Pomme Grise

55:15 Ontario Apple Golden Age

58:59 Sweet Crab Apple Shock

01:04:21 Clamping and Carbonic Trials

01:08:27 Wrap Up and Credits

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Direct Link at:https://ciderchat.com/podcast/498-heeman-cellars/ 

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497:Beginner Cider Makers Q&A | Advice from Professional Cider Makers (Archive)01 avr. 202601:02:16

This archival episode of Cider Chat brings together five experienced cider makers answering real-world questions from beginners at CiderCon 2019.

Originally released as Episodes 174 and 175, this combined feature presents a comprehensive Q&A covering everything from fermentation and stabilization to business strategy, equipment, and scaling a cidery.

The discussion bridges the gap between hobby cider making and commercial production, offering practical insights grounded in real experience.

Panelists

Moderated by Cider Chat MC Ria Windcaller

00:00 Cider Choices Matter

01:27 Episode Setup

03:02 Ciderville Event News

05:41 Support The Podcast

06:31 Patron Shoutouts

10:34 Panel Introductions

14:34 Defining Cider

15:32 Lessons Learned

18:55 Residual Sugar Safety

23:51 Contract Vs Taproom

27:13 Ice Cider Deep Dive

33:11 Settling Juice Tips

34:40 Solids and Enzymes

35:06 Plastic Fermenters Tips

36:41 Profitability and Distribution

40:54 Learn on Someone Else

41:27 Core Ciders Strategy

45:43 Tasting Room Location

49:43 Funding and Crowdfunding

52:07 Essential Lab Gear

53:54 Filtration and Hopbacks

58:05 Fermentation Temperature Control

01:01:03 Wrap Up and Sign Off

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Direct Link at:https://ciderchat.com/podcast/497-beginner-cider-makers-qa/

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496: Liberty Ciderworks | Spokane, WA25 mars 202600:56:28

Liberty Ciderworks in Spokane, Washington is an urban cidery focused on traditional methods. While located in the city, their cider reflects deep agricultural roots.

Cider maker and founder Rick Hastings ferments with wild yeast, ages cider for 3 to 12 months, and source fruit from nearby orchards. This approach creates cider with structure, balance, and regional identity.

This interview is with Jamie, who is a certified pommelier, and her husband Ben Pratt who both partnered with Rick in 2019. This interview was recorded at CiderCon in 2026.

00:00 Cider Eyes Open

00:40 Meet Liberty Cider

01:58 Ciderville News Kanga

04:46 Western Mass Cider Stop

07:51 Tour Prep And Pacing

12:53 Spokane Urban Cidery

15:09 Orchards And Sourcing

17:20 How They Joined Liberty

21:54 Tasting Room Third Place

23:29 Cider Series And Flights

29:33 Educating New Drinkers

31:07 American Apples Lineup

32:01 On The Table Golden Russet

32:22 Golden Russet Terroir

33:22 Tasting Notes Compared

35:31 Wild Yeast Unfiltered

38:43 Reserve Versus Core

39:19 Cider Club Shipping

41:59 Future Growth Strategy

44:14 Visit Spokane Taproom

46:38 Events Puzzle Festival

49:21 Barrel Program 55 Chain

52:39 Wrap Up Ciderchat

54:13 Closing Orchard Song

 

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Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/496-liberty-ciderworks/
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495: Cider Barrels Speak | Bâtonnage & Barrel Aging18 mars 202600:58:24

In this archive episode of Cider Chat, we go in a barrel cellar in Prince Edward County, Ontario, with Ryan Monkman of FieldBird Cider and Lee Baker of Keint-He Winery.

Listening to Fermentation

What Is Bâtonnage in Cider?

Find Key Takeaways for Home Cider Makers

Barrel Room Glossary

SO₂ Calculator

00:00 Barrels as Dance Partners

00:29 Episode 495 Replay Setup

01:40 Ryan Monkman Spotlight

04:06 Ciderville News and Cider Salons

06:21 UK Blossom Time Tour Plans

08:18 Entering the Barrel Cave

10:38 Cellar Terroir and Humidity

13:33 Malolactic Fermentation Explained

15:32 Listening to Fermentation

17:51 Comparing Barrels With and Without Malo

21:50 Yeast Trials and Complexity

23:48 Lees Contact and Benefits

26:24 Bâtonnage Tools and Routine

30:47 Bâtonnage Demo in Action

33:49 Hands On Stirring and Smelling

34:17 Stirring The Lees

35:26 Blending For Complexity

36:47 Aging Timeline And Autolysis

38:47 Barrel Faults And Oxygen

41:58 Managing Flor And SO2

44:09 Measuring pH And Sulfur

49:56 Cleaning And Storing Barrels

53:03 Citric Sulfur Storage Method

57:04 Closing Notes And Farewell

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Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/495-barrel-aged-cider-tips/
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494: Humboldt Cider and the Historic Orchard of Albert Etter11 mars 202601:00:53

In this episode of Cider Chat, we hear from Tom Hart of Humboldt Cider Company, located in Eureka, California along the rugged Pacific coastline behind what locals call the Redwood Curtain. We also discusses preserving the original Albert Etter orchard in Humboldt County and continuing the legacy of these historic cider apples.

00:00 Welcome to Cider Chat

00:38 Wickson Crab and Albert Etter

03:06 News Cider Salons Ahead

05:08 Hungary Salon and Champagne Cellars

09:08 Blossom Time and UK Tour

10:59 Support and Show Notes

12:04 Meet Tom Hart

12:30 Humboldt Cider Origin Story

14:36 Taproom and Local Crowd

16:17 Emerald Triangle Economy Shift

22:08 Apples Supply and Production

25:02 Brand Name and Partnership

26:35 Growth Plans and Cider Board Work

30:44 Juice Tankers and Redwood Roads

33:12 Humboldt Outdoors and Fishing

34:47 Where to Stay in Humboldt

35:02 Farmers Market in Arcata

35:59 Cider Batch Sizes and Varietals

37:02 Meet Albert Etter and Ettersburg

38:44 Etter Apple Legacy Varieties

42:12 Stewarding the Historic Orchard

44:47 Orchard Layout and Perry Pear

46:48 Rare Trees and Homestead Grafting

48:32 DNA Testing and Replanting Plan

58:08 Wildlife Challenges and Wrap-Up

59:54 Show Notes and Support the Podcast

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Episode 494: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/494-humboldt-cider-albert-etter/

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493: Cider as a Sport | Sidra in Asturias (Archive Edition)04 mars 202600:55:28

What is Asturian cider?

Asturian cider (sidra natural) is a traditionally fermented apple cider from Asturias, Spain, served through a high pour (escanciado) and shared socially in small servings called culines.

This episode is part of the Cider Chat archive documenting global cider traditions and producers since 2015.

In this epic replay from Season 2 of Cider Chat, Ria Windcaller traveled to Asturias, Spain, and sat down with Anzu Fernández, international delegate for La Sidra magazine and a lifelong ambassador of traditional Asturian cider culture.

 

Find the full show notes for this episode at CiderChat.com
Episode 493: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/493-cider-as-a-sport-sidra-in-asturias/

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00:00 Cider Is Sport Intro

00:37 Asturias Sidra Legacy

01:34 Rollup To Episode 500

02:49 Season Two World Tour

05:07 Ciderville News And Tours

07:15 Hungarian Cider Salon

09:13 Setting The Asturias Scene

11:12 Meet Anzu And La Sidra

14:05 Doctor By Day Cider By Night

16:24 Home Cider And Espicha

20:04 Tasting Notes And Apples

22:59 Basque Vs Asturian Styles

24:52 Associations And Big Market

26:28 Cider Pouring Competitions

28:46 How To Drink A Culín

29:48 Sharing One Glass

30:15 Cider Pourer Etiquette

31:55 Low ABV Session Drinking

32:24 Wild Fermentation Basics

33:20 Blending Igualación

34:58 Modern Cider Innovations

36:25 Cider Tourism Grows

38:22 Where To Drink Sidra

40:40 Unlabeled Bottles Explained

41:52 Vintage And Market Shifts

43:45 Defining Cider Origins

47:12 Climate And Apple Country

48:49 Tasting The Long Pour

49:56 Tech Talk And Standards

52:54 Closing Reflections

492: Absolem Cider Company | Maine Cider Energy25 févr. 202600:52:23

This episode of Cider Chat explores the growing Maine cider scene through Absolem Cider Company in Winthrop, a farm-based cidery helping shape New England's evolving cider identity.

Located on a 60-acre farm in Winthrop, Maine, Absolem Cider Company is a cidery that expresses place, heritage apples, and hospitality.

In this episode, Ria sits down with cider maker Zach Kaiser to explore how Absolem blends traditional inspiration with modern experimentation. From wild-foraged apples and native fermentations to wine-inspired co-ferments and Basque-style pours, Zach shares how Maine's apple history is shaping a new generation of New England cider.

00:00 Intro Cask Cider

00:06 Meet the Guest

01:27 How Cask Service Works

03:08 Why Absolem Uses It

04:07 Episode Roadmap

04:48 Ciderville News MOFGA Workshops

07:19 Listener Shoutout Chalkys Cider

08:29 Featured Chat Begins

09:23 Absolem Farm and Tasting Room

10:31 Where Winthrop Fits in Maine

12:42 Zachs Cider Origin Story

14:24 Founding Absolem Through COVID

16:34 Coferments and Wine Blends

18:13 Wend Wild Apple Cider

22:32 Fermentation Yeast and Malo

24:57 Beer Hybrids and Collabs

25:39 Flagship Ciders to Try

27:18 Sidra Style Foeder Program

28:40 Taproom Vibe and Winter Maine

29:21 Year Round Tasting Room

29:31 Local Bar Vibe

30:41 Lake Town Tourism

31:41 Cider As Experience

32:22 Ice Cider And Mistelle

32:47 Brandy Barrel Aging

34:36 Lodging And Visits

35:14 Signature Events Calendar

35:30 Bembel Fest Details

37:57 Anniversary And Collabs

39:30 Pressing And Production

41:36 Heating And Expansion

42:58 Five Year Vision

44:30 New England Cider Association

50:12 Wrap Up And Links

Find the full show notes for this episode at CiderChat.com
Episode 492: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/492-absolem-cider-company/

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491: Revisiting Randall Grahm | Cider Exploration Without Hesitation18 févr. 202600:53:35

An early conversation that explored possibilities cider was only beginning to consider.

As Cider Chat moves toward its 500th episode, we revisit conversations from the earliest seasons, taking a long view of the moments that quietly shaped where cider and this podcast would go.

This episode, originally recorded in Season One, features legendary winemaker Randall Grahm, founder of Bonny Doon Vineyard and a James Beard Award winner. At the time, inviting a winemaker onto a cider podcast felt like stepping outside the expected boundaries of the category. Looking back now, it marked a turning point.

Long before many of these topics became common discussion in cider, this conversation explores:

  • indigenous and wild yeast fermentation
  • the use of pied de cuve to build healthy native fermentations
  • beginning fermentations de novo each vintage
  • blending philosophy borrowed from wine
  • quince used as structure and aroma rather than juice
  • perry through a winemaker's lens
  • antique fruits like medlars
  • cider as an expression of curiosity and place
https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Randall-Grahm-188-copy.jpg?ssl=1 Randall Grahm

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Episode 491: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/491-randall-grahm-cider-history/

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490: Let Cider Lead11 févr. 202600:22:32

An editorial on leadership, scarcity, and why cider no longer needs to borrow authority from beer or wine.

In Let Cider Lead, host Ria Windcaller steps back from interviews to offer a clear-eyed reflection on the state of the cider industry, drawing on more than three decades in cider and nearly eleven years documenting the modern cider movement through Cider Chat.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 01:02 Upcoming Cider Events 03:10 Totally Cider Tours 06:37 Cider Chat Schedule Update 08:00 Reflections on Cider Industry Leadership 10:53 Cider Industry Norms and Challenges 18:44 Call to Action: Let Cider Lead 19:50 Conclusion and Sign Off 20:25 Outro Song: Strange Apples  

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Episode 490: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/490-let-cider-lead/

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489: Natural Cider Production Seminar | CiderCon 202504 févr. 202601:10:53

Natural cider is often misunderstood as funky, volatile, or flawed.
Recorded live at CiderCon 2025, this seminar reframes natural cider as a philosophy of low intervention, balance, and intentional care, not a free pass for faults.

Moderator Haritz is joined by Richard of Brooklyn Cider House and Jasper Smith of Son of Man (Oregon) to explore how Basque cider traditions influence modern natural cider production in the U.S. The panel dives into fermentation choices, malolactic fermentation, volatile acidity, sensory evaluation, and why great natural cider is defined by quality, not dogma.

This conversation also examines how natural cider is judged in Spain, what tasting panels consider true faults, and why these ciders are designed first and foremost to be enjoyed with food.

Ciders featured:
Zapiain (Basque Country), Son of Man (Oregon), and Solstice (Brooklyn Cider House)

Episode 489 Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to Basque Cider

00:25 Meet the Host: Ria Windcaller

00:42 The Magic of Sidra Natural

01:41 Exploring Natural Cider Production

02:32 Cider FOMO and CiderCon

03:34 Cider Chat Milestones and YouTube Channel

05:21 Thanking the Cider Chat Patrons

08:44 Featured Presentation: Natural Cider Panel

09:23 Defining Natural Cider

11:32 Production Techniques and Philosophies

27:05 Harvest Strategies and Apple Varieties

36:21 Exploring the Price Range of Ciders

37:01 The Science Behind Well-Integrated Volatile Acidity

38:31 The Role of Malolactic Fermentation in Cider

39:55 Tasting Panels and Quality Control in Basque Cider

42:44 Cider Pairing with Food: A Gastronomic Experience

44:31 The Cultural Significance of Cider in Spain

51:31 The Importance of Apple Varieties in Cider Making

55:43 Challenges and Rewards of Natural Cider Production

01:01:48 Final Thoughts and Future of Cider

01:06:55 Conclusion and Farewell

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Episode 489: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/489-natural-cider-production/

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488: Vintage Cider Label Lawsuit28 janv. 202600:43:10

A pending lawsuit spearheaded by Ron Extract of Garden Path Fermentation could change how cider makers label harvest year and "vintage" on cider over 7% ABV. Ron explains why the current TTB rules block truthful harvest-year labeling, how this impacts both producers and consumers, and what success would look like for the cider community.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:43 Cider Labeling Controversy

02:46 News and Events in the Cider World

04:56 Upcoming Cider Tours

09:16 Featured Presentation: Ron Extract on Cider Labeling Lawsuit

42:21 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

 

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487: Further Tales of Chocolate Pears21 janv. 202601:04:00
In This Episode, We Cover
  • Why Sorbus domestica is often nicknamed "the chocolate pear" (and why that name actually helps people get it)
  • What bletting means, and why sorbs can be delicious before they turn fully brown (depending on the fruit)
  • The "custard stage" vs. fully bletted "medlar-like" stage (and how this relates to cider pressing windows)
  • Ben's sorb travel finds across:
    • Croatia (including fruit for sale at the market + trees growing in yards)
    • Moravia (Czech Republic) — including the Sorbus museum and harvest festival
    • France (sorb hunting with Arnold and tasting cormé/cormé-style ferments)
    • Somerset, UK (a surprise roadside discovery!)
  • Growth habits that can make Sorbus domestica look like an oak
  • Why sorbs may matter in a changing climate:
    • deep root systems
    • drought resistance
    • long lifespan
    • later bloom time (less frost risk)
  • Seed-grown vs grafted sorbs — and why Ben prefers genetic diversity (for now)
  • The surprising reality: sorbs have already been distributed widely in the U.S. through seedlings
  • What's being made with sorbs in Europe:
    • brandy
    • co-ferments with grapes
    • wine experiments

Time Stamps

00:00 Introduction to Sorbus Domestica

00:18 Meet the Podcast Host: Ria Windcaller

00:52 Exploring Sorbus Domestica: History and Uses

01:25 Cider Chat Episodes Featuring Sorbus Domestica

02:39 Sorbus Domestica in France and the US

04:05 Cider News and Upcoming Events

07:53 Interview with Ben Kunesh: Chocolate Pears

08:33 The Unique Characteristics of Sorbus Domestica

17:25 Sorbus Domestica Around the World

21:03 The Versatility and Adaptability of Sorbus Domestica

24:20 The Future of Sorbus Domestica in Orchards

25:49 Sorbus Domestica: A Historical Perspective

27:34 Ben's Travels and Discoveries

34:25 Exploring Sorbus Domestica Variations

35:30 Propagation Techniques and Genetic Diversity

37:29 Historical Context and Distribution

39:50 Nursery and Distribution Efforts

41:09 European Adventures and Discoveries

45:30 Tasting Sorbus Domestica Products

54:23 Future Prospects and Cultivation Tips

01:00:58 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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486: Apples, Cider, and Community | 450 Years of Cider Culture in Chile14 janv. 202601:00:59

Recorded live at CiderCon, this episode brings listeners into a rare, in-depth conversation about Chile's living cider tradition—one shaped by more than 450 years of apple fermentation, deep regional biodiversity, and community-based agriculture.

Moderated by Eli Shanks, this panel features cider makers, cooperative leaders, and academics from southern Chile who explore how apples arrived, adapted, and endured across Araucanía, Los Ríos, and the Chiloé archipelago. Rather than a "new" cider movement, Chile offers something far rarer: a cider culture that never disappeared.

At the heart of the discussion is Chicha—the traditional name for fermented apple beverages in Chile—and the cultural weight that language carries. Panelists unpack how Chicha and cider share the same roots, why heritage orchards matter, and what's at stake as aging farmers, development pressure, and climate change threaten seed-grown apple diversity.

Listeners will also hear about:

  • Heritage apple orchards over 100 years old, many grown from seed

  • The role of women as primary stewards of orchards and biodiversity

  • Native fermentation vessels made from Raulí and other Chilean woods

  • Cooperative cider making on the island of Chiloé

  • The challenges of valuing cider beyond "cheap, rural" perceptions

  • The future of Chilean cider on the global stage, including education, competitions, and potential export

This episode offers an essential perspective for anyone interested in cider as culture—not trend—and in how place, people, and history shape what ends up in the glass.

Panelists & Contributors
  • Eli Shanks – Co-founder, Punta de Fierro Fine Cider; Head Cider Maker, Western Cider

  • Gicella – President, Cooperative Chilwe (Chiloé)

  • René Galindo – Third-generation cider maker, Araucanía

  • Carlos Flores – Co-founder, Punta de Fierro Fine Cider; Orchardist, Valdivia

  • Fabián Lara – Cider & beer consultant; INDAP (Chilean Ministry of Agriculture)

  • José Antonio Aldea – Professor and fermentation educator

Key Themes
  • Chilean cider and Chicha traditions

  • Heritage apple orchards and seed-grown ecotypes

  • Women's roles in orchard preservation

  • Cooperative models and island agriculture

  • Native materials and spontaneous fermentation

  • Preserving cider culture in a changing landscape

Timestamps

⏱️ Detailed timestamps are listed above to help you jump to specific topics, speakers, and cider discussions.

00:00 Introduction to Chicha and Cider

00:26 News Out and About  Ciderville 

00:43 Episode Overview: Chilean Cider Panel

03:30 Upcoming Events and Announcements

07:42 Introduction to the Chilean Panel

10:44 Chilean Cider Regions and History

16:11 Traditional Cider Making in Chile

18:11 Modern Chilean Cider and Future Prospects

20:16 Cider Tasting and Panel Discussion

29:32 Consumer Perception of Cider in Chile

30:07 Challenges and Efforts in Differentiation

30:34 Traditional and New World Ciders

31:13 Exciting Apple Varieties and Characteristics

32:19 Naming and Regional Varieties

35:40 Incorporating Local Fruits into Cider

38:09 Historical Context and Apple Lineages

41:47 Fire Blight and Disease Resistance

42:57 Modern vs. Traditional Cider Making

44:15 Collaborations with Winemakers

47:12 Preserving Heritage Apple Orchards

52:10 Forming a Cooperative in Chiloé

54:53 Market Development and Sales Strategies

57:03 Generational Gaps and Preservation Efforts

59:08 Future Goals and International Connections

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485: Cider as a Catalyst for Chile's Edible Forest07 janv. 202600:57:14

Carlos Flores is an architect, landscape designer, and co-founder of Punta de Fierro Fine Cider. At the 2025 CiderCon in Chicago he presented Carlos presented "Developing An Experimental Edible Forest in a Heritage Apple Orchard." - this episode features his full presentaiton and you will also find his audio synced with all the power point slides at the Cider Chat YouTube Channel.

Find full shownotes to this episode at https://ciderchat.com/podcast/485-chile-edible-forest-cider/

00:00 Intro to Cider Chat - news

00:49 Carlos Flores and the Edible Forest

01:43 The Rich History of Chilean Cider

04:03 Upcoming Cider Events and Tours

08:41 Carlos Flores' Journey and Vision

18:40 Creating the Edible Forest

30:59 Bees and Flowers

31:08 Meteorological Station and Climate Change

32:24 Community Involvement and Workshops

33:37 Greenhouse and New Trees

34:12 Summer School and Neighbor's Orchard

36:17 Building a Cider House

37:47 Biofilter and Water Management

39:32 Community Impact and Economic Development

41:34 Pruning and Tree Management

43:14 Future Plans and Experiments

50:22 Funding and Government Grants

55:30 Final Thoughts and Conclusion

Contact info for Carlos of Punta de Fierro Cider

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484: Rethinking American Cider History with Patrick McCauley31 déc. 202501:09:59
Meet Patrick McCauley, a Michigan-based cider maker and researcher, who is questioning some of the most common myths about American cider history. What Patrick uncovers is a far more regional, farm-based, and resilient cider story than the usual "cider died because of Prohibition" narrative.  

00:00 Introduction to Cider and Prohibtion

00:23 Meet the Host and Guest

01:56 Listener Support and Community

04:51 Cider Salon Hungary, Uk & French Cider Tour

08:03 Featured Conversation with Patrick McCauley

10:25 Cider Production and Historical Insights

14:48 Regional Cider Production in the US

30:36 Impact of Prohibition and Industrialization

37:30 Challenges in Cider Production

38:33 Cider Culture and Consumer Perception

39:22 Historical Context and Regional Differences

42:08 Modern Cider Making Techniques

45:14 The Future of Cider

48:05 Historical Research and Discoveries

59:24 Reviving Lost Cider Traditions

01:05:58 Closing Remarks and Gratitude

  Contact info for Patrick McCauley Mentions in this Cider Chat

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483: The Talking Pomme's Grand Winter Party24 déc. 202500:14:23

Enjoy this annual winter tale from Cider Chat Central! In this special holiday episode, Cider Chat invites you to step into the enchanting world of the Talking Pommes. The Talking Pommes Grand Winter Party is more than just a story - it's a celebration of all things pome, community, tradition, and the joy that comes with every glass of cider.

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The cider house hums with anticipation as Ria, Perry Pear, Mr. Quince, and the Medlars prepare the night before their annual pressing. But as every year before there is always magic in the air for Ciderville. With the Talking Pommes truly anything can happen and so it does!

With snow blanketed orchards, and just the right amount of "Believe" a sleigh pulled by apples glides through the starry sky.

Raise a glass and join us on this festive adventure—because in Ciderville, the magic is always just a sip away.

Meet the Stars of the Cider House

This holiday episode of Cider Chat brings together some of Ciderville's most delightful characters:

  • Apple: The vibrant leader with a twinkle in their eye.
  • The Medlars: Sweet, quirky, and always ready with a witty remark.
  • Mr. Quince: The taskmaster who wants to be a comic
  • Perry Pear: Full of charm and flair, a natural performer.
  • A Wide Assortment of Pommes: From Dabinett to Kingston Black, they bring their unique personalities to the mix.
The Gift of Holiday Cider Magic

This story is for anyone who cherishes the magic of the season. As Apple says, "Every glass of cider holds a story, and this one's for you."

From Cider Chat to all of Ciderville, we hope this episode brings joy to your holiday season. Raise a glass, gather 'round, and join the Talking Pommes and Ria in Ciderville!

482: FLX Cider & Cheese Pairing with Cheesemonger Rachel Freier17 déc. 202500:41:53

At the New York Cider Fest in November, there were 2 Cider and Cheese sessions. Cider Chat Emcee Ria Windcaller attended one featuring ciders from 4 different makers. This cider and cheese pairing was led by Rachel Freier, a cheesemonger who is based in the Finger Lakes. She brought deep knowledge, humor, and a whole lot of heart as we tasted our way through four ciders and three cheeses.

00:00 Introduction to New York City Cider Fest

01:55 Networking at the Cider Fest

02:50 Exploring the Finger Lakes Cider Scene

04:36 Upcoming Cider Tours and Events

09:32 Cider Making Tips and Anecdotes

13:46 Featured Presentation: Cider and Cheese Pairing

23:31 Sterilizing Juice and Grape Skins

23:41 Exploring Apple Varieties: Northern Spy and Crab Apples

24:06 Harvesting Feral Fruit and Gnarly Branch Rose

24:51 Pairing Cider with Cheese

25:31 The Finger Lakes Cider Scene

26:09 Cider and Goat Cheese Pairings

27:19 Kingston Black: The King of Apples

30:16 The Art of Blending Ciders

31:09 Sustainable Cheese Making

33:43 Chisel Jersey Cider and Cheese Pairing

36:19 Upcoming Cider Chat Episodes

37:20 Celebrating the Holidays with Cider

39:23 Musical Outro: Strange Apples

Contact Info for the Ciders and Rachel

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481: Totally Cider Tour: A Merry Visit to Tom Oliver's10 déc. 202500:44:34

Tom Oliver is delightfully talented, mischievously witty, and not only a renowned cider maker but also a top-notch perry maker. He may say, "If you're going to make perry and work with pears, you've already identified yourself as being criminally insane," but what we found was simply a bold maker willing to go the extra mile for every bottle.

Enjoy this audio snap shot at Oliver's Cider and Perry Herefordshire, recorded on the 2025 Totally Cider Tour_UK Edition. Hear him share the story behind transforming his family's old hop barns into the heart of his cider and perry production, offering listeners a rare look into his traditional farmhouse methods. He discusses the challenges and joys of working with tannic cider apples and perry pears, spontaneous fermentation, barrel aging, and the evolving climate's impact on cider making.

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Tom has been featured in many Cider Chat® episodes and will be one of the select scheduled stops on the 2026 UK Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour.

00:00 Introduction to Perry and Cider Making

00:17 Meet the Host and Guest

00:57 Totally Cider Tour Experience

03:28 Challenges of Perry Making

04:11 Foraging and Traditional Perry Making

05:09 The Importance of Known Varieties

06:28 Cider Preferences and Quality

07:43 Totally Cider Tours - UK

10:18 Tom Oliver's Cidery Tour

11:47 Barrel Room Insights

13:08 Perry and Cider Fermentation

14:35 Pressing and Storing Fruit

15:51 Unique Perry Varieties

21:48 Barrel Aging and Tasting

25:03 Introduction to Fermentation

25:49 Wild Fermentation Process

27:11 Saccharomyces Yeast Role

28:34 Fermentation Containers and Aging

29:26 Bottling and Release Plans

29:44 Fermentation Under Pressure

32:28 Temperature and Duration of Fermentation

33:43 Challenges with Temperature Control

36:31 Barrel Cleaning and Maintenance

38:27 Regulations and Environmental Concerns

40:54 Conclusion and Future Plans

Topics Covered
  • The transformation of Oliver's hop barns into barrel rooms
  • The shift from hops (Fuggles, Northdown, Target) to cider and perry fruit
  • Why perry making is "a walk through madness" compared to cider
  • The discipline of pressing and storing tannic pears at their peak
  • Wild fermentation: apiculate vs. Saccharomyces yeast and how they shape flavor
  • Barrel aging as both art and alchemy
  • The sensory nuance of minerality and mouthfeel
  • Keeping barrels "organically clean" for wild ferments
  • Rising temperatures and the modern challenges of traditional cider making
Perry Pear Varieties Mentioned
  • Butt – dense and slow to soften; can store for weeks
  • Thorn – softens quickly, needs immediate pressing
  • Judge Amphlett – early ripening, fast fermenting
  • Winnall's Longdon – honeyed, complex, but fragile and quick to spoil
  • Yellow Huffcap – rich tannins, aromatic, often over-ripens on the tree
Ciders & Perrys Tasted
  • Eskimo Eyes Perry – 6% ABV, aged six months in rum and white wine barrels. A still perry that balances delicate fruit, subtle oak, and lingering depth.
  • Barrel-Aged Still Cider – 9.2% ABV, matured 18+ months in Irish whiskey and Scotch barrels, bringing notes of minerality, oak, and sherry-like warmth.
Call to Action

If you've ever wondered whether you're bold enough to make perry, this episode will either inspire — or warn — you.
Join Tom Oliver and other makers on the upcoming 2026 Blossom Time Totally Cider Tour, and hear more stories from the barrel rooms of cider's most daring artists at CiderChat.com. Send an email today to mailto:info@ciderchat.com

Contact info for Oliver's Cider & Perry (Tom Oliver) Mentions in this Cider Chat
480: Holiday Cider Gift Guide 2025 and Playing with Pommeau03 déc. 202500:46:36

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:32 French Pronunciation Fun

02:27 Holiday Gift Ideas for 2025

02:59 Cider Chat News and Updates

04:42 Listener Stories and Experiences

07:49 Upcoming UK Cider Tour 2026

12:47 Featured Presentation: 2025 Holiday Cider Gift Guide

13:35 Cider Chat Partners and Supporters

25:30 Stocking Stuffer Tips and Cider Supplies

31:36 The Perfect Name for American Pommeau

45:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

00:00 Introduction and Language Fun

00:14 Cider Chat Episode 480 Overview

01:10 Naming Poot in America

02:27 Holiday Gift Ideas for 2025

02:59 Cider Chat News and Updates

03:08 New Patron and Michelin Star Connection

04:42 Michael of Edulis Cider Journey

06:25 Rising Costs of Starting a Cidery

07:49 Blossom Time Tour 2026

12:47 Holiday Cider Gift Guide

13:35 Cider Chat Partners and Supporters

25:30 Stocking Stuffers and Cider Supplies

31:36 The Perfect Name for American Pommeau

41:32 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

 

Find full episode show notes and links at https:ciderchat.com

479: New York Cider Fest | Audio Snapshots26 nov. 202500:51:45

New York Cider Fest 2025 brought together makers and enthusiasts for an unforgettable day at City Winery Manhattan. In this special collection of on-the-floor recordings, Cider Chat® captures Audio Snap Shots with festival patrons.

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Hear how attendees at the New York Cider Fest are viewing cider today — what styles they're excited about, how they're drinking it, and the foods they love to pair with a glass, including their favorite Thanksgiving matches.

Episode Timeline

00:00 Introduction to Cider Chat

02:34 Exciting News: Totally Cider Tours

10:21 Feature Presentation: New York Cider Fest

12:24 Listener Snapshots: Cider Enthusiasts Share Their Stories

18:45 Exploring Cider Pairings and Preferences

19:22 Cider Travels and Discoveries

25:17 Food Influencers at Cider Fest

28:05 Meet the Food Bloggers

28:35 Kylie and JJ's Cider Journey

32:30 Katie's Fruity Cider Favorites

39:09 AJ's Tequila and Cider Combo

42:22 Adventurous Ashley's Cider Travels

45:48 Cider's Growing Popularity

47:56 Join the UK Cider Tour

49:20 Cider Song Finale

Contact info for the New York Cider Fest Mentions in this Cider Chat
478: Pommeau: What Happens When a French Classic Lands on U.S. Labels19 nov. 202500:51:18
What is Pommeau?

Pommeau is a: fortified blend of fresh apple must (unfermented) and apple brandy (typically Calvados in Normandy or Lambig in Brittany). The unfermented apple juice and brandy are combined before fermentation, which halts the process entirely and preserves natural sweetness.

By law in France, Pommeau must be aged a minimum of 18 months in oak and produced within designated regions. It's rich, amber-colored, and served as an apéritif. It is consider to be a French heritage drink shaped by decades of refinement and protected standards.

When did Pommeau receive AOC status?

Pommeau received its official Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée (AOC) status in 1991, formalizing the traditional method and legally protecting what can and cannot be called Pommeau within France.

And in America?

If you ask what Pommeau is in the United States, the answer is: nothing defined. There is no legal TTB definition, no standard of identity, and no trade agreement protecting the name. Yet hundreds of U.S. labels already use the word…sometimes accurately, sometimes loosely, often inconsistently.

So the question becomes, "What happens when a French classic with strict rules lands on U.S. labels with no rules at all?"
That's the conversation American isn't having… yet.

In this episode, Ria speaks with alcohol beverage attorney Lindsey Zahn to unpack what it means to use the word Pommeau in the U.S.—legally, culturally, ethically—and what cider makers and consumers should consider going forward.

What happens when a French classic with strict rules lands on U.S. labels with no rules at all?
That's the conversation America isn't having… yet.

In this episode, Ria speaks with alcohol beverage attorney Lindsey Zahn to unpack what it means to use the word Pommeau in the U.S.—legally, culturally, ethically—and what cider makers and consumers should consider going forward.

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  • What Pommeau legally means in France
  • Why the TTB has no definition for Pommeau
  • How hundreds of U.S. labels were approved without consistency
  • The difference between fortified cider vs. Pommeau
  • Why a COLA approval does not protect you from trademark or trade disputes
  • U.S.–EU trade agreements and why Pommeau is not protected
  • Risks for current makers using "Pommeau" on labels
  • Why "American Pommeau," "Pommeau-style," or accurate class/type statements may reduce risk
  • The opportunity for U.S. cider associations to create a new American term
  • A call for a naming contest—what the U.S. cider world could build together
  • Why truth in labeling matters beyond regulatory compliance
  • Why this conversation needed to happen…ten years ago
Contact info for Lindsey Zahn P.C.

00:00 Introduction and Common Misconceptions

00:23 Meet the Host and Guest

01:35 Episode Overview: Focus on Pommeau

03:13 Cider Tours Announcement

06:58 Listener Support and Sponsors

08:40 Main Discussion: Legal Aspects of Pommeau

25:34 Trademark Rights and Labeling Concerns

27:34 The Importance of Due Diligence in Labeling

28:46 Pomo: A Gray Area in Cider Labeling

30:30 Alternatives to Using 'Pomo'

32:36 Truth in Labeling and Production Methods

36:08 Advice for Cider Producers

38:39 Role of Cider Associations

46:08 Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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477: 2025 Ultimate Cider Pairing Guide for Thanksgiving12 nov. 202500:39:38
Learn how to pick the right Cider and Perry for every dish on the Thanksgiving table.

This week we are not chasing brand names. We are building flavor intuition.
Consider Thanksgiving not as one single taste on a plate; it is a stack of distinct taste worlds. Each one asks for its own kind of cider or perry.

In this holiday feature, Ria and the Talking Pommes a.k.a. Perry Pear, Mr. Quince, and The Medlars talk through the art of pairing cider and perry for the entire Thanksgiving feast, from the welcome sip to dessert.

You will learn how to shop with confidence, how to read a label for style rather than brand, and how to bring bottles that make every part of the meal sing.
There is also a downloadable Thanksgiving Cider Shopping Checklist PDF below to make your trip to the store simple and stress free.

Chapters for Episode 477

00:00 Introduction and Talking Pommes

00:47 Welcome to Cider Chat

02:02 Thanksgiving Traditions and Preparations

06:05 Upcoming Cider Tours

07:40 New York Cider Events

10:26 Ultimate Cider Pairing Guide for Thanksgiving

14:00 Choosing the Right Cider for Starters

18:33 Main Course Cider Pairings

20:37 Turkey Preparation and Cider Pairing

21:12 Smoked Turkey and Barrel-Aged Cider

21:49 Creamy Sides and Semi-Dry Cider

22:31 Fruit Ciders for Roasted Vegetables

22:57 Choosing the Right Cider

23:58 Introducing Cider to Friends and Family

25:01 Low Alcohol Ciders for Gatherings

26:30 Dessert Pairings with Cider

31:31 Serving Cheese and Fruit Plates

33:01 Thanksgiving Table Preparations

36:19 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

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476: Be Medieval, Rack that Cider| Secondary Fermentation05 nov. 202500:46:18

How to clarify, stabilize, and finish cider the right way

The Purpose of Secondary Fermentation when Making Cider

Once the apple juice has started fermented and it is now slowing down, it is time to rack over your cider for secondary fermentation.

Secondary fermentation is where your cider moves from "young" to "refined." This stage improves clarity, stability, and overall quality before bottling or serving.

00:00 – Introduction and Welcome
00:27 – Meet the Host: Ria Windcaller
00:45 – The Magic of Clothes Pins
01:14 – Episode Overview: Secondary Fermentation
01:55 – Replay Announcement: Season 8, Episode 386
02:14 – Cider Making in the Northern Hemisphere
02:34 – Cider Making Resources and Equipment
06:09 – Totally Cider Tours
13:29 – Upcoming New York Cider Festival
15:31 – Featured Presentation: Clearing Cloudy Cider
24:01 – Observing Fermentation Activity
24:21 – Timing and Patience in Cider Making
24:54 – Understanding Racking Over
25:32 – Dealing with Stuck Fermentation
26:59 – Secondary Fermentation Indicators
27:47 – Preparing for Racking Over
29:13 – Racking Over Process
30:49 – Using Sulfites and Equipment
35:32 – Handling Head Space and Lees
38:38 – Final Tips and Bottling
42:43 – Supporters and Closing Remarks

Why Secondary Fermentation Matters

Secondary fermentation helps your cider:

Improve the overall quality and characteristics of the final product during secondary fermentation by;

Clarify: After the vigorous primary fermentation phase, yeast, pulp, and particulate matter settle out. Giving the cider time in secondary creates that clean, bright look in the glass.

Stabilize: Letting the cider relax in a less active fermentation state helps smooth out rough edges and reduces the risk of funky off-character flavors.

Reduce Bottle Sediment: Most of the lees settle in the secondary fermenter — not in your final bottles — giving you a cleaner, professional-looking cider.

Avoid Off-Flavors: Yeast that sits too long on the lees can break down (autolyze) and create harsh, unpleasant aromas. Racking to secondary moves the cider off that yeast layer and protects the finished profile..

Secondary fermentation is a crucial step for refining cider, enhancing its clarity, taste, and stability before it is consumed or sold.

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Primary fermentation must be substantially complete. Signs include:

– Airlock activity slows way down
– Gravity readings stabilize over several days
– Visible bubbling is minimal
– A firm lees bed is forming at the bottom
– Taste test confirms sugar is mostly gone (unless aiming for sweet

Equipment needed for Cider's Secondary Ferment

Find a complete list with links to purchase at the Cider Making Equipment page at ciderchat.com

  • Extra Apple Juice to for topping off
  • Secondary Fermenter – glass carboy of equal size
  • Airlock and Bung
  • Racking Cane or Auto-Siphon
  • Sanitizer
  • Hydrometer or Refractometer
  • Tubing & a clothes pin ( a Ria tip to have on hand for clamping tubing as you go so it can be managed to insure that the tube doesn't slip down into the lees and stir them up)
  • Bottle Brush and Cleaning Equipment
https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/476-200-x-300-px.png?ssl=1 Determining when Secondary Fermentation Begins
  • Completion of Active Primary Fermentation: Watch and notice when the vigorous phase of primary fermentation is complete, which is typically indicated by a significant decrease in airlock activity or specific gravity readings that are close to the target final gravity.
  • Gravity Readings: Use a hydrometer or refractometer to take consecutive gravity readings over a few days. When readings are consistent, it suggests that fermentation has slowed down enough for secondary transfer.
  • Visual Clues: Look for a drop in the level of visible activity, such as the reduction of bubbles and the beginning of sediment formation at the bottom of the primary fermenter.
  • Taste Test: Conduct a taste test for residual sweetness. If the cider is too sweet, it may need more time in primary fermentation unless the desired style of cider is sweet rather than dry.
  • Timeframe Guidance: Generally, primary fermentation can take anywhere from a few days to two weeks, depending on factors like temperature, yeast strain, and original sugar content.
  • Avoiding Off-Flavors: Transfer before the cider has sat too long on the lees at the bottom of the carboy to prevent off-flavors that can result from yeast autolysis.
  • Specific Style Goals: Factor in the specific goals for the cider's style, as some styles may benefit from a longer or shorter primary fermentation before secondary.
  • Equipment Availability: Ensure that the secondary fermentation vessel is prepared and sanitized before deciding on the transfer to avoid any delays once the cider is ready.
Common Problems during Secondary Ferment
  • Stalled Fermentation – Adjust fermentation temperature to optimal range.
  • Excessive Oxidation – Minimize headspace and avoid splashing when transferring.
  • Contamination – Practice stringent sanitation and possibly discard contaminated batch.
  • Sulfite Burn – Allow time for dissipation or use activated carbon treatment.
  • Insufficient Carbonation – Verify yeast viability and sugar availability; maintain proper bottle conditioning temperature.
  • Sediment in Bottles – Allow full clearing in secondary, use fining agents, and bottle carefully.
  • Unexpected Flavor Changes – Allow time for maturation or blend with another batch.
  • Pressure Build-up in Containers – Use an airlock or periodically vent the container.
  • Cider Becomes Too Dry – Monitor gravity to stop fermentation at desired sweetness or back-sweeten with non-fermentable sweeteners.
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475: At the UK's National Perry Pear Centre and the Story Behind 99PINES29 oct. 202500:43:52

Perry making has deep roots in Gloucestershire, stretching back to the 17th century when French wine imports were cut off during the Napoleonic Wars. Local farmers turned to their own fruit, and the rich soils around Hartpury proved ideal for growing Perry pears.

This episode features audio snapshots from the 2025 Totally Cider Tour stop at the National Perry Pear Centre. Our guide, Phil Kester, volunteers with 99PINES , where he helps preserve the region's rare Perry pear varieties. Phil's passion for Perry and deep local knowledge made this visit one of the tour's highlights.

https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/475-feature-.jpg?ssl=1 The Roots of the National Perry Pear Centre
  • Charles Martell recognized that Perry orchards across Gloucestershire were disappearing and began documenting rare varieties.
  • His work led to the first National Perry Collection at the Malvern Three Counties Showground, planted with Tom Oliver and others.
  • Jim Chapman later expanded the effort by gifting land at Hartpury. This site is The National Perry Pear Centre and is home to over 100 Perry pear varieties from Gloucestershire and beyond.
  • These orchards safeguard living history, connecting generations through the craft of Perry making.
The 99PINES Project

The name 99PINES comes from the line of pines atop nearby May Hill, often called the heart of English Perry country.

https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/475-Phil-Kester-of-99PINES-with-bottles-of-Perry.jpg?ssl=1 Phil Kester of 99PINESS

Phil and the volunteers at 99PINES are working to:

  • Create a local hub to promote Perry culture in pubs and communities.
  • Build a tasting space featuring 80–100 Perry varieties for education and enjoyment.
  • Keep the project sustainable by reinvesting proceeds into orchard care and heritage initiatives.
The Art and Challenge of Perry Making

Perry is both art and patience.

  • The fruit can rot within days, demanding precise timing at harvest.
  • Perry ferments differently from cider and is more sensitive to bacteria.
  • Varieties like Blakeney Red and Hartpury Green reveal a range of tannins and textures unique to Perry.
  • Phil experiments with bottle conditioning and Pet Nat methods, showing how diverse and expressive Perry can be.
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474: The Romance of It All | The Temperleys of Somerset Cider & Brandy22 oct. 202501:09:30

At the base of Burrow Hill life moves at the pace of apples and oak. Here, Julian and daughter Matilda Temperley are testment to the value of family for carry a business such as cider and brandy forward into the next 100 years.


"You have to believe in the Romance of it because you are thinking so far in advance" Matilda Temperly

From orchards planted for future generations to brandy resting quietly in barrels for decades, the Temperleys embody what it means to think in centuries, not seasons.

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The Cider: Tradition and Terroir

The mount at Burrow Hill is memorialized in ongoing instagram posts because it provides a magnificent centerpiece of endurance and beauty due to its simplicity of a lone a large sycamore tree, which has become a local landmark and symbol of the Somerset landscape.

Julian Temperly began planting cider apples trees here over 50 years ago. Today there are acres of orchards in different pockets surrounding Burrow Hill. A notable 75 acre orchard that was purchased from the Showering family years ago now, is touted to be the largest standard cider apple orchard in the world.

Here you find the classic Burrow Hill cider as a tannic, full-bodied, and balanced drink. The bottle-fermented Kingston Black and Stoke Red ciders are great for hang time with friends or fine dining. Every cider reflects its orchard origin, emphasizing flavor, heritage, and authenticity.

Distilling Somerset's Spirit

In 1989, Somerset Cider Brandy became the first licensed distiller of apple brandy in the UK since the 19th century. And they have been awarded Protected Geographical Indication (PGI) status. This status guarantees that the brandy is produced in a consistent and traditional manner within Somerset. Using unique Gazagne stills, which are continuous stills of French design, the Temperleys now have lovely range of offerings from Eau de Vie to 20-year-aged Somerset Cider Brandy. Their Pomona, is a blend of apple juice and brandy, celebrates Somerset roots.

Looking Ahead

The Temperly's 100-year plan focuses on replanting traditional orchards, cultivating local oak for future barrels, and sustaining multi-generational stewardship. The goal: to ensure that Burrow Hill remains a place where apples, family, and time converge into something extraordinary.

https://ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/474-Matilda-Temperley-in-the-Tasting-Room-at-Burrow-hill.jpg Matilda Temperley in the Tasting Room at Somerset Cider & Brandy

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473: Tiny Bubbles | How to Make a Pét Nat Cider15 oct. 202500:44:53

What makes a Pét Nat cider sparkle naturally and how is it connected to the rural method you might have heard about in the UK?

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In this episode, we take a practical look at:

  • What Pét Nat cider is and how it relates to the "rural method"
  • A clearer way to describe fermentation: Active Ferment → Quiet Phase → Maturation
  • When and how to rack cider for clarity and flavor
  • How to time bottling for perfect natural carbonation
  • Using a hydrometer to bottle safely at 1.005–1.010 SG
  • Essential tips for bottle-conditioning without blowouts
  • Why a little yeast haze can add charm to your finished cider

Key Takeaways

  • Pét Nat (Pétillant Naturel) means naturally sparkling where the bubbles come from fermentation finishing in the bottle.
  • Racking is a simple but essential step to move cider off the lees without introducing oxygen.
  • Skip the jargon: watch what your cider is doing, not just the calendar.
  • Always use champagne-rated bottles and sanitize everything.
  • The reward? Tiny bubbles, wild aroma, and the pure joy of cider alive in the glass.

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Fall Event - November 1, 25th Annual Apple Harvest Fest at Albemarle CiderWorks

 

472: Perry to FOMO — A Cider Dinner to Remember in the Malvern Hills08 oct. 202500:49:04
A Toast to Perry and Place

Enjoy an intimate recording from the 2025 Totally Cider Tour_UK Edition. This unforgettable evening featured James Forbes of Little Pomona, leading guests through a cider dinner pairing in the Malvern Hills located on the border of Herefordshire and Worcestershire in England.

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James presents both a welcome Perry, Ciders and a very special aperitif.

We beging with Brut Rosé Perry, crafted from perry pears co-fermented with local damsons. James shared how whole damsons are fermented via carbonic maceration to extract their rich color and flavor before being pressed with early season pears. The result: a radiant sparkling Perry with deep fruit notes and remarkable finesse.

"We actually ferment the damsons whole in CO₂ and then co-press them with the first pears. It gives a whole new layer of aroma and flavor." — James Forbes

A Cider for the Table

Next up was a single varietal Stoke Red cider, a rarity from Little Pomona's usual blends.
James described it as a "fully fermented" cider that is balanced and dry yet vibrant, with a whisper of natural sweetness from the Rural Method. This approach captures the cider before all sugars ferment out, creating harmony between acidity and fruit. Check out Wilding Episode with Sam Leach on the Rural Method

"Stoke Red is one of my top three apples. In a less ripe vintage, that touch of sugar brings perfect balance."

Select Cider Apples

Dinner continued with Egremont Russet, a still cider with a light sparkle.
The russet's golden skin and nutty depth create an almost wine-like cider. Notes of pineapple, anise, and honey appeared with each sip, echoing the richness of the food and the rustic charm of the evening.

"FOMO" Caps the Night

Dessert brought out a treasure: Little Pomona's "FOMO"—a playful nod to France's Pommeau. Only 192 bottles were made, combining distillate from Bramley apples and Kingston Black juice aged in chestnut barrels. It lent a sweet, amber nectar with layers of floral and plum notes, it was the perfect close to the evening.

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"We called it FOMO—a faux Pommeau—because you don't want to miss out on this one."

The Spirit of the Malvern Hills

The evening concluded with words from Deborah Fox CEO of the Malvern Hills Trust, who shared the rich history and heritage of this cherished landscape—home to ancient Perry pears, cider orchards, and centuries of cultivation.

https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Ria-and-Deborah-Fox-200x300-1.jpg?ssl=1 Ria Windcaller and Deborah Fox

"We keep the hills unbuilt, un-encroached upon, and un-urbanized. …The Perry pear and cider have always been part of this land's story." Deborah Fox

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471: Cider Tourism 101 | Newton Court, UK01 oct. 202500:57:50

Newton Court Cider began as a 30-acre farm selling apples to Bulmers. When the market changed, Paul Stephens turned those same orchards into a modern day cider business.

https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/471-Netown-Court.jpg?ssl=1 Front view of Newton Court's restaurant and visitor centre in Herefordshire, surrounded by orchards and outdoor seating.

His early inspiration came from Brian Shanks, the co-founder of Bold Rock Cider in Virginia. Though Bold Rock produces cider on a large, industrial scale, it was Brian's perspective as a New Zealander who admired Herefordshire's rich cider apple heritage that sparked Paul's drive to build something lasting at home. Today, the recently built out Newton Court tasting room/restaurant is booming showing that tourist and locals alike are thirsty for a full service destination.

Cider Making at Newton Court

It was noted by Paul that his parents open-minded approach helped the farm transistion into the cider destination that it is today. In additon, a recent collaboration with River Cottage led to the award-winning Elderflower Cider, proving that tradition and creativity can thrive together.

Newton Court remains deeply rooted in sustainable farming and regional pride, helping to preserve the orchards and cider heritage of Herefordshire for future generations.

Contact Info for Newton Court https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Showering-Horizontal-tanks-200x300-1.jpg?ssl=1 Showering – Shepton Mallet Mill horizontal tanks for cider
470: Hedgers, Crossman's, and Coates: UK Cider's Entwined Histories24 sept. 202500:53:55

In October 2024, Cider Chat MC Ria Windcaller recorded with Tom Vowles of Hedger Cider and Ben Crossman in Somerset. Initially, the two recordings felt like separate brand stories. Then, nearly a year later to the day as the produciton of this audio began and the transcript peeled away a story of entwined history came to light and a shared connection: Coates Cider of Nailsea.

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Suddenly a light bulb was illuminated! The Coates Cider Company was at the helm of the story and here at Cider Chat Central we saw the weaving in of the story behind both Nick Showering and Bob Cork episode on Triple Vintage! The story of cider is entwined in surprising ways and make perfect sense!

Remembering Tom Vowles

Tom walked Ria about his production room which showcased a massive rack and cloth press – that originally came from Coates:

"It's a big old press, isn't it? Came out of Coates originally. We've put a lot into getting it running again, and it does the job." – Tom Vowles

At the time of this recording Hedgers Cider had been opened for just 14 months and during that time had become a go-to place for cider fans. The fact that it is located 5 minutes from the Bristol Airport and along a major artery from Weston super-Mare to Bristol also helps. What we didn't expect was Tom unexpectedly passing away in June of 2025. At the time of this broadcast in fall of 2025, his wife Jo and their son David is now carrying Hedgers forward.

Ben Crossman's Cider and Family History

Ben's story reaches back to the 1930s, when his grandfather made cider alongside Redvers Coate. They even at one time considered a partnership.

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  • Tradition: Wild ferments, bittersweet varieties
  • Continuity: Keeping cider alive through tough decades
  • Parallel: A family path entwined with Coates' rise

"It's funny, isn't it? The Coates family were massive, and yet they're not here anymore. But we're still making cider." – Ben Crossman

Sidebar: Coates & Triple Vintage
  • Founded 1925 by Redvers Coate in Nailsea
  • Wartime boost: rationing and zoning expanded markets
  • 1951 premium launch: Triple Vintage and Festival Vat
  • 1956 takeover: Showerings doubled production
  • Modern link: Showerings' Triple Vintage continues the name – launched in 2023
https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/470-Feature-300-x-300-px.jpg?ssl=1 Reflection: Cider's Market Identity

Cider was the choice drink for many and Perry once rivaled champagne and held prestige in Parliament. Today, the challenge is reclaiming value without losing openness.

Like vinyl records and artisan bread, cider's comeback requires:

  • Consistency of quality — season after season
  • Audience engagement — beyond cider circles, into wine, food, and tourism
  • Authenticity without snobbery — refined yet welcoming
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469: Getting Lost, So You Don't | UK Totally Cider Tour 2025 Recap10 sept. 202501:13:58
UK Cider Tour 2025 Audio Snap Shots https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Ria-and-Wallace-in-Bristol.jpg?ssl=1 Wallace and Ria in Bristol

In this Episode 469 of Cider Chat, we brings listeners inside the UK Totally Cider Tour 2025 through the voices of the guests who joined. From Somerset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, to Wales guests on this tour discovered not just cider and perry, but also community, history, and inspiration.


First Impressions and Highlights
  • Many guests shared that they signed up to experience places they couldn't access on their own.
    • From the scale of Showering's Cider Mill, the second largest in the country to the intimate welcome at Oliver's, the contrast certainly left a deep impression.
  • The discovery of Perry was a recurring theme. From Ohio travelers Chris and Megan who tasted their very first Perry on the tour, while Rodney from Virginia declared he'd be grafting Perry scions at home.

Personal Connections https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/469-Group-selfie-Wilding-Cider-300x200-1.jpg?ssl=1 Group Selfie with Sam Leach of Wilding Cider
  • For repeat travelers like Debbie and Bryce from California, the tour reaffirmed how relationships with makers enrich the experience: "
    • They treat us like friends, not tourists."
  • Ancha from Hungary spoke of the joy of hiking the Malvern Hills in the rain and celebrating with fellow cider lovers.
  • Rachel and Mary of Kanga Cider in Texas noted the value of orchard insights for their own plantings back home, while Thomas from Australia praised the tour for covering the full spectrum of producers—from industrial to artisanal.

Learning and Inspiration


Guests emphasized that tasting ciders in their native terroir cannot be replaced by books or certifications. Dan from Spacetime Mead and Cider Works in Dunmore Pennsylvania highlighted how only by being in Herefordshire or Somerset can one grasp the range of English cider styles.

Susan and Tom of Heeman's Cellars in Ontario pointed out how the pacing of the tour allowed real reflection—something missing from busier farm tours.


The Takeaway


Whether first-timers or repeat guests, everyone agreed: the Totally Cider Tour offers access, education, and camaraderie that can't be replicated alone.

As David of Oregon said it best, "It wasn't really about the cider—it was about the people."


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468: Foraging Flavor: Pierrepont Cider | NY27 août 202501:00:06

Cider Maker and Founder Lee Van DeWater of Pierrepont Cider shares his story in this episode on how he is forages apples to share a taste of terroir from New York's North Country.

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Foraging Apples for Cider - Sustainable?

Lee's cider journey started with childhood memories of sweet cider and apple trees planted by his great-grandfather. But it wasn't until he worked in Montana—buying wine for a co-op that he connected cider and apples through fermentation. Western Cider of Montana help Lee get that spark/idea of a cider life, and the seed was planted.

Pierrepont cider is a one-man operation, sourcing apples exclusively within the Little River Watershed. Many of the trees Lee uses are wild seedlings, unknown varieties that thrive in New York's tough climate. He honors the trees, the land, and water, seeing cider as a reciprocal act of love for place.

Low-Intervention, High-Expression

Lee is self-taught and intentionally minimalist. His ciders are:

  • Wild-fermented
  • Unfiltered
  • Unsulfited
  • Aged in stainless and neutral oak barrels

Some of the most memorable ciders come from single trees. Others are blends of just a few wild apples growing together. He tracks everything via GPS and harvests with the patience and perspective of a forager.

"The tree that holds its fruit until the first snow, that's climate-controlled storage," Lee laughs.

Micro Batches, Big Intention

What's available?

  • 2024 Pet-Nat: lemony, spritzy, bright
  • Brighter Later: a single-tree cider still in label design
  • Orbed Road: a terroir-based expression of elevation
  • Maple Sap Ciderkin: rehydrated pomace with local maple sap, sparkling and experimental

Each bottle comes with its own story. You might not find hundreds of cases, but you'll find care, balance, and quiet brilliance.

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467: Canton Apples and Frosty Twig: New York Cider Makers Unite13 août 202501:25:13
How Canton Apples and Frosty Twig Fused Two Brands into One

In New York's "North of Upstate" region, in the town of Canton is the Canton Apples production building. It is now also home of a partnership shaping the local cider scene. Owner Joel Howie and cider maker Dan Gallagher live just a mile apart, and their skills mesh perfectly. Joel brings over a decade of experience growing apples, pressing sweet cider, and creating value-added products. Dan, a passionate fermenter, was ready to move beyond hobby scale when the two connected.

Two Brands, One Vision

Under Canton Apples & Cider, LLC, two product lines take shape:

  • Canton Apples – approachable, consistent ciders for everyday enjoyment.
https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/467-Joel-Howie-in-the-Apple-storage-room-at-Canton-Apples-200x300-1.jpg?ssl=1 Joel Howie
  • Frosty Twig – small-batch, specialty ciders showcasing unique apples, fruits, and wild fermentation.
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Production takes place in a purpose-built facility designed for growth, with future plans for a taproom overlooking the orchard.

Orchard Practices & Apple Diversity

Between their combined orchards, Joel and Dan care for over 250 apple varieties — many planted by Bill McKentley of St. Lawrence Nurseries. These heritage and cold-hardy apples thrive in Zone 4, and every apple grown is put to use. When supplies run short, apples are sourced from other New York regions.

Cider Making Approach

Ciders range from wild-fermented pet-nats to cultured yeast ferments for consistency. Specialty ciders include

  • Turkey Tree
  • Wild Berry
  • Pear cider

Most ciders age 9–10 months before release, allowing flavors to develop naturally.

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466: Growing Cold-Hardy Trees at Saint Lawrence Nursery | NY30 juil. 202501:18:06
A Century of Cold-Hardy Trees

Saint Lawrence Nursery in Potsdam, NY, has been helping cold-climate growers find success since the 1920s. Originally founded by Fred Ashworth and later expanded by Bill MacKentley, the nursery is now stewarded by Connor and Allyssa Hardiman, the third generation in a nonfamilial succession.

https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/466-Allyssa-Connor-in-orchard-200x300-1.jpg?ssl=1 What Sets Saint Lawrence Nursery Apart

Cold-Hardy Genetics

  • Over 250 apple varieties
  • Trialed at temperatures as low as -34°F
  • Trees that thrive from Alaska to Michigan

Only Standard Rootstock

  • Seedling Antonovka (apples) and Baccata (crabs) for resilience and longevity
  • Trees that can live 100+ years

More Than Apples

  • Black walnuts, butternuts, hazelnuts, and berry bushes
  • Custom grafting for heirloom preservation
  • Regionally adapted selections from partnerships and testing plots
Passing the Torch of Generational Wisdom and Branding

The nursery was handed down without a sale. It was gifted by Bill to Connor in a rare act of agricultural generosity. The plan is to do the same one day. "Love is what makes the world go 'round," Bill often says, and it's embedded in every tree tag and planting guide.

Cold Hardy Trees For Orchardists and Backyard Growers

Most customers are small-scale planters or long-time loyalists. Whether you want just one tree to honor a grandparent or 100 cider apples for a startup orchard, Connor and Allyssa are here to help—with personal attention, a rich planting guide, and an option to let them choose the right tree for you.

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465: The Integrated Table: Cider, Food, and Farming at 1000 Stone Farm16 juil. 202501:21:15
From Farm to Glass: Cider at 1000 Stone Farm

At 1000 Stone Farm in Brookfield, Vermont, Kyle Doda and Betsy Simpson have built a dynamic model that unites organic farming, community-supported agriculture, small-batch cider. First came the farm and then over ten years, the couple expanded their offerings to include fruit trees, livestock, mushrooms, and now a seasonal restaurant and tasting room: The Farmers Hand Cider House & Kitchen. Besty is the Chef and a graduate of the Culinary Institue of Arts in New York.

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Situated between 1,400–1,700 feet in elevation, the farm grows:

  • Over 60 varieties of apples
  • Plums, peaches, cherries, and Perry Pears
  • Herbs interplanted with vegetables and orchard rows
  • Livestock including lamb, pork, beef, and poultry
  • And there is a dedicate grow space for a mushroom buisness

Fruit is fermented on-site with minimal sulfites, both neutral and spirit oak barrels, and some filtered fresh juice for back-sweetening. The cidery prioritizes clean expressions of fruit and soil.

Ciders Tasted During this Recording
  • Volume One – Off-dry, barrel-aged, lightly back-sweetened
  • Volume Two – Dry blend with Winesap, Kingston Black, Northern Spy
  • Volume Three – Porter's Perfection and Ashmead's Kernel
  • Tomcat – Gin barrel-aged cider, 10% ABV
  • Graf – A farmhouse cider-beer hybrid aged in oak
https://i0.wp.com/ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/465-Kyle-doda-with-cider-fermentation-record-book.jpg?ssl=1 Gathering at The Farmers Hand

Open seasonally, The Farmers Hand Cider House & Kitchen features hyperlocal meals built around the farm's own produce and meats. The space invites locals and visitors to connect over cider, community, and shared tables.

There is seating at the bar and also outside on a brand new patio for the 2025 season.

Contact Info for 1000 Stone Farm and The Farmers Hand Cider House & Kitchen
  • Website: https://www.1000stonefarm.com
  • Farm Store: Open daily, 8am–8pm (self-serve)
  • The Farmers Hand: Seasonal hours; check website or Instagram for updates
    • June through December Fridays 1-8pm & Saturdays 1-8pm
  • Location: Brookfield, Vermont
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