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#420 Adaira Landry MD: From Mentorship to Micro Skills—Tools for Thriving at Work — Part Two
Épisode 420
dimanche 6 juillet 2025 • Durée 18:35
In Part Two, Adaira Landry goes beyond storytelling and gets strategic—explaining how to stop saying yes to everything, avoid burnout, and take back control of your time. She shares how the original title of her book almost became Chisel, why Micro Skills isn’t meant to be read cover to cover, and what FOMO vs. JOMO really means in your career.
This episode is a mindset shift for anyone who’s overcommitted, overextended, or overdue for some clarity. Her message is simple but powerful: just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Book Almost Had Another Name
“We wanted to call it Chisel. But it didn’t land the way we hoped. Micro Skills captured it better—it’s about precise, meaningful action.”
Ambition Without Boundaries Isn’t Sustainable
“I used to say yes to everything. Then I realized—none of it was helping me grow upward. It was just clutter.”
Say No to Say Yes
“JOMO—the joy of missing out—is real. You don’t need to chase every opportunity. You need to choose the right ones.”
The Burnout Trap
“If you’re always working horizontally, you never move vertically. That’s not growth. That’s noise.”
Fast Impact, Not Magic
“You don’t need a new degree or a big life change. You just need to start—small, now, and with purpose.”
#419 Adaira Landry MD: From Mentorship to Micro Skills—Tools for Thriving at Work — Part One
Épisode 419
samedi 5 juillet 2025 • Durée 26:43
Before she became a physician, educator, and mentor to hundreds, Adaira Landry felt out of place in nearly every professional room she entered. In Part One, she opens up about entering college at 16, watching a man collapse on campus, and how that moment -- and a painful accident -- pulled her toward medicine. She reflects on growing up without access to mentors, and why that made her even more intentional about creating useful, inclusive career tools later on. This episode is a behind-the-scenes look at what shaped the voice behind Micro Skills.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
When Life Said “Step In”
“He collapsed right outside my class. And I just walked toward him. I didn’t know what I was doing—but I knew I had to do something.”
The moment on campus that first pulled her toward medicine.
Burned and Alone
“I remember laying on the floor thinking—this isn’t how it’s supposed to be. I couldn’t even call for help.”
A personal injury that left her with pain—and perspective.
No One Called It Mentorship
“We never used that word growing up. It wasn’t until grad school that someone even explained what a mentor really does.”
Why finding guidance felt so unfamiliar at first.
The Confidence Gap
“I had to teach myself to stop over-explaining—to just say the thing.”
On growing into her voice in high-pressure environments.
Why Micro Skills Mattered
“I was tired of career advice that was abstract. I wanted to write something people could actually use Monday morning.”
#410 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part Two
Épisode 410
jeudi 12 juin 2025 • Durée 41:42
After decades of chasing external wins, Sande Golgart decided to stop running. In Part Two, he shares the uncomfortable, intentional work of stepping back—what it took to unplug from achievement addiction and start redesigning a life that fits from the inside out.
This isn’t a story about reinvention through ambition. It’s a blueprint for growth through subtraction: less noise, more clarity; fewer roles, deeper connection; no hustle, just truth. From mending his marriage to redefining success, Sande opens up about what he calls “Life Peels”—and why letting go is the new way up.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Listening Over Learning
“I wasn’t trying to fix anything. I just got quiet and listened.”**
Sande explains how stepping back from self-optimization gave him the clarity he had missed for years.
The Life Peels Method
“David was always in the marble. Michelangelo just removed what wasn’t him.”**
He introduces his philosophy of growth by subtraction—peeling away the excess to uncover what truly fits.
When Growth Isn’t More
“I’ve had enough of strategy decks and hero stories. I want to feel ease in my own skin.”**
Why he redefined ambition not as stacking wins but as feeling aligned, grounded, and whole.
Relearning Partnership
“When the noise died down, we both realized we’d never had stillness before.”**
How the transition to an empty nest revealed unspoken gaps in his marriage—and led to new connection.
Letting Life Lead
“I used to control everything. Now I just pay attention—and things unfold better than I planned.”**
#320 Resa Lewiss MD: Micro Skills for Moments That Actually Matter – Part Two
Épisode 320
jeudi 24 avril 2025 • Durée 29:05
In Part 2, Resa explains why she and Adaira started their book MicroSkills with the most overlooked chapter: self-care. From emotional and civic health to better rest and boundaries, she unpacks how showing up well starts before you speak. She also shares practical tools for navigating hard moments—like having a failure buddy—and reveals why thoughtful email etiquette isn’t just about manners, but about professional respect.
This episode is about what sustains you—before, during, and after the work. Micro skills begin with you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Why Micro Skills Start with Self
“We opened the book with self-care—because everything else depends on it.”
Physical, civic, emotional, and financial health are non-negotiables.
Support Isn’t Optional
“Have a failure buddy. Or a personal board of directors. Someone you can call when things go wrong.”
What Real Rest Looks Like
“Rest isn’t just sleep. It’s knowing what recharges you. And choosing to protect it.”
Respect Through Email
“BCC isn’t a trick—it’s about being thoughtful.”
Communication is a reflection of how much you value someone’s time and dignity.
Small Language, Big Impact
“Even experienced professionals said, ‘I didn’t think I’d learn anything from a book on communication—but I did.’”
Thoughtful communication isn’t about polish. It’s about presence.
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#319 Resa Lewiss MD: Micro Skills for Moments That Actually Matter – Part One
Épisode 319
jeudi 24 avril 2025 • Durée 31:16
In Part 1, Dr. Resa Lewiss shares how growing up in Rhode Island, challenging gendered assumptions at home, and studying the liberal arts all shaped her path to medicine. She opens up about the moment emergency medicine clicked for her, and how her love for procedures and working with her hands helped her find her place in a specialty that sees everything, all at once.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Why She Chose Medicine
“It was always in me. Nobody in my family was a doctor, but medicine was the path.”
Breaking Gender Roles Early
“When my dad asked the girls to clear the table, I said, ‘Why not the boys?’ I wanted to take out the garbage.”
When Emergency Medicine Clicked
“I did a rotation and thought—where have I been? This is what I was looking for.”
Studying Outside the Sciences
“Literature, religion, sociology—those made me a better doctor. They helped me understand my patients.”
Teaching Ultrasound Globally
“I practiced and prepared so I could show up and teach people in different parts of the world—nurses, midwives, physicians.”
#318 Edward & Tricia: Collaborate to Compete—The Human Advantage
Épisode 318
mercredi 23 avril 2025 • Durée 34:34
In the second half of their conversation, Edward J. van Luinen, Ed.D. and Tricia Cerrone reveal the system behind their decade-long collaboration—and the framework that became their book, Collaborate to Compete.
But this isn’t just theory. It’s a Gen X playbook for how to lead, design, and scale collaboration that actually sticks. Grounded in five core behaviors—generosity, resourcefulness, co-creation, action, and gratitude—and powered by a noble purpose, their method flips the script on outdated workplace thinking.
For Gen Xers who’ve quietly led with trust and integrity, this episode validates everything you’ve practiced—and gives you the language to teach it forward.
>>Start With Self, Scale With Systems
“Collaboration isn’t a team sport—it’s an individual practice.”
They explain why collaboration isn’t about tech or tools, but behaviors—and why it must be designed into people first, not platforms.
Edward and Tricia walk through the five behavioral anchors of collaboration—and why the ‘how’ must come before the ‘what.’
>>Why the Old Workplace Models Are Failing
“We’re still running on 1900s bonus structures—and wondering why collaboration breaks down.”
They unpack how outdated incentive systems kill trust and team performance—and how leaders can redesign for shared wins.
>>The Disney Story That Brought It Home
“I watched a father put his arm around his son—and almost cried.”
Tricia shares the moment that reminded her why collaboration must be human-centered—because when it’s done right, it doesn’t just produce results. It heals.
#317 Edward & Tricia: The Gen X Way to Build Trust That Lasts
Épisode 317
mercredi 23 avril 2025 • Durée 33:56
Edward J. van Luinen, Ed.D. and Tricia Cerrone didn’t build a personal brand around collaboration—they lived one.
In this first of a two-part series, they reflect on the working relationship that began at Disney and slowly evolved into a business, a book, and a model for how Gen X builds enduring trust.
Forget quick team-building hacks and shallow LinkedIn takes—this is collaboration done the Gen X way: built slowly, refined over time, and grounded in shared values.
If you’re tired of performative partnerships and want to know what staying power really looks like, this is your episode.
>>The Relationship That Didn’t Expire
“Most work relationships fade. This one evolved.”
Edward and Tricia share how a three-year collaboration at Disney grew into a decade of trust, business, and a co-authored book on leadership.
>>No Hierarchy, No Ego
“We weren’t assigned roles—we built the rules together.”
They reflect on leading a global initiative without clear power dynamics, and how mutual respect became the real structure.
>>The First Coffee Was the Turning Point
“That coffee wasn’t about a project—it was about character.”
Tricia recalls how her initial skepticism melted when Edward showed up with presence, empathy, and zero pretense.
>>Why It Worked: Five Behaviors, One Blueprint
“We didn’t write the book first—we lived it.”
They walk through five consistent behaviors—generosity, gratitude, grace, curiosity, and accountability—that made their team the one others wanted to be on.
>>Tech Can’t Fake Trust
“You can’t app your way into a good relationship.”
#316 John Gates: Stop Leaving Money on the Table
Épisode 316
mardi 22 avril 2025 • Durée 43:12
John Gates has been on the inside of more salary negotiations than most of us will see in a lifetime—over 75,000 offers across industries and levels. From a scrappy upbringing in Oregon to global recruiting roles at Capital One and beyond, John learned how the game works. And now, he’s helping jobseekers stop lowballing themselves and start playing smarter.
In this episode, he debunks the biggest salary myths, shares the scripts that work, and explains why salary negotiation starts long before the offer lands. For Gen Xers navigating job transitions or prepping for the next big move, this episode is both a wake-up call and a negotiation playbook.
>>From Pizza Delivery to Pay Negotiation Powerhouse
“I worked 30 hours a week at Domino’s and crammed two degrees into two and a half years.”
John shares how a scrappy start built the systems thinking and urgency that now powers his work with jobseekers and executives alike.
>>Recruiter, Interrupted
“I was laid off before my first job even started.”
He reflects on the early career shock that forced him into recruiting by accident—and the surprising skills he found along the way.
>>The Capital One Lightbulb Moment
“I got the offer, the bonus, the relocation bump—and still felt I’d left money on the table.”
That one regret launched his obsession: learning how recruiters really build offers and how much most candidates are missing out on.
>>The Salary Lies That Get Recycled on LinkedIn
“Know your worth and demand it? That’s how you get ghosted.”
John unpacks the worst advice online and explains why collaboration—not confrontation—is the smarter way to negotiate.
>>When to Talk Money (and What to Say)
#315 Jason Bloomfield: From Survival Mode to Systems Change
Épisode 315
mardi 22 avril 2025 • Durée 44:07
Jason Bloomfield didn’t learn change in an MBA program—he learned it through real life.
As a teenager, he became the de facto head of household. Now, as Global Head of People Change and Experience Design at Ericsson, he leads transformation across 180 countries. In this episode, Jason shares how active listening, design thinking, and human-first systems have helped him move organizations from dysfunction to alignment. From M&A integrations to HR tech failures, from -83 NPS scores to user-designed wins, his work proves one thing: change only sticks when it’s built with—not for—the people it’s meant to serve.
For Gen Xers who’ve lived through chaos and are now leading through it, this episode is a blueprint in action.
>>From Family Collapse to First Acquisition
“I was the only one with income. So I had to figure it out.”
Jason opens up about his early years, navigating a broken home while building stability from scratch—and how that experience shaped his instincts in business.
>>Career by Constraint
“They asked if I’d move to 1 Madison Avenue. I said yes—and just kept saying yes.”
From wiring cables to managing a global acquisition across 13 countries, Jason shares how constraints—and curiosity—turned into growth and global opportunity.
>>Change Starts with Listening
“Active listening sends a signal: you care.”
Jason breaks down why empathy is not a soft skill—it’s the hardest one. Especially when leading transformation across 100,000 employees and 180 countries.
>>Turning a -83 NPS into a Shared Win
“The tool was hated. But people started feeling heard.”
He recounts how a globally despised HR tool became usable—through co-creation, honesty, and building feedback loops that actually changed things.
#314 Erika Ayers-Baden: Grit, Goals, and the Generational Advantage
Épisode 314
lundi 21 avril 2025 • Durée 28:49
In the second half of her conversation, Erika Ayers Badan—CEO of Food52, former CEO of Barstool Sports, board leader, media powerhouse, and author of _No One Cares About Your Career_—lets us behind the curtain.
From negotiating screen time as a kid to rewriting the rules as a high-profile executive, she reflects on how grit, autonomy, and unfiltered curiosity shaped everything—from her parenting to her management style. She shares why she no longer chases titles, what failure really teaches us, and why today’s “toxic culture” talk often needs more clarity than cancellation.
For Gen Xers raising kids, leading teams, or just trying to keep their values intact in a noisy world, this episode is the deep breath you didn’t know you needed.
>>The Original Streaming Negotiation
“My brother and I shared one hour of TV a week. That’s how I learned to negotiate.”
Erika reflects on the creative, disciplined upbringing that shaped her independence—and how it made her a better leader, dealmaker, and parent.
>>Titles Are Overrated. Impact Isn’t.
“I cared about titles in my 20s. Now I care about purview.”
She explains why chasing titles is a trap—and why real career growth is measured in responsibility, resilience, and reach.
>>Fail Always Mode
“If you feel like you’re failing, it means you care—and you’re trying something new.”
Erika breaks down why failure isn’t just tolerable—it’s necessary. And why she rewards effort over perfection every time.
>>Culture > Buzzwords
“I’m allergic to gossip, inertia, and pontificating.”
From toxic culture to real collaboration, Erika shares her no-BS filter for building teams that do the work and actually like doing it.
The motivation behind a book built for practicality, not prestige.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers.
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