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We are so excited to share Kelsey Green’s testimony with you today. Kelsey is a beloved member of the But Jesus Drank Wine leadership team and someone who played a key role in laying the foundation of our community.
In this episode, Kelsey shares her deeply personal journey of changing her relationship with alcohol and how her faith in Jesus Christ brought radical transformation to her life. She opens up about the hidden struggle behind her drinking, her early efforts to seek help, and the life-changing moment she discovered this very podcast—a moment that shifted everything.
That encounter with faith led her back to Jesus, and into a life filled with peace, joy, and purpose like she’d never known before. As a mom of twin boys, Kelsey’s story is a powerful testimony to the difference surrendering to Christ can make in every area of life.
This conversation also explores the power of community, the beauty of real-life friendships formed through the BJDW podcast, and how vulnerability opens the door to true healing. If you’re seeking freedom—from alcohol, shame, or the weight of trying to keep it all together—this episode is for you.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
How Kelsey’s sobriety journey began with honesty and a podcast
The role of faith in breaking free from alcohol
How motherhood and sobriety have shaped her relationship with Jesus
The importance of vulnerability and grace in the healing process
Why community and real connection are vital for long-term transformation
How the presence of God brings peace, clarity, and lasting purpose
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
Ep. 123 Chris Janssen | Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want
Today, we sit down with Chris Janssen, MA, BCC, a board-certified results coach, author, and expert in performance and mindset. Chris shares her deeply personal journey with alcohol, from growing up in a non-drinking household to battling a secretive drinking habit in adulthood. She first got sober in 2007 but went back to alcohol during the pandemic, an experience that brought her to a deeper understanding of grace, community, and personal transformation.
Chris discusses the themes of her book, Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want, highlighting the role of self-compassion in recovery, how to navigate perfectionism, and why so many high achievers struggle with alcohol. She also offers practical tools for handling cravings, shifting toxic narratives, and finding a supportive community. Whether you're on your own sobriety journey or supporting a loved one, this episode offers encouragement and actionable steps for embracing a life of freedom and grace.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
The importance of grace and self-compassion in the freedom from alcohol journey
How to break free from perfectionism and self-sabotage
Why high achievers are often drawn to alcohol and unhealthy coping mechanisms
Practical tools for handling cravings and shifting negative narratives
Stephanie Ziebell shares her personal journey to sobriety and faith, highlighting the transformation that came when she embraced God's grace. A wife, mother of four, attorney, and Christian sobriety advocate, Stephanie knows what it’s like to wrestle with addiction and the internal conflict it brings. After years of struggling with alcohol, she found true freedom and now dedicates her life to helping others do the same.
As the founder of Radiant in Battle, an Instagram community with nearly 40,000 followers, Stephanie provides faith-based encouragement and practical tools for those on the path to sobriety.
Throughout this conversation, Stephanie opens up about the challenges of being stuck in the over-drinking cycle, the importance of honesty, and how finding a supportive community and turning to God led to a new, more fulfilling life. She discusses the internal battle of wanting to drink, the exhaustion it caused, and how sobriety has given her a fresh perspective on life.
If you’re navigating sobriety or supporting someone who is, this episode offers a powerful message of hope, resilience, and divine transformation.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
The importance of honesty and vulnerability in overcoming addiction, and how Stephanie learned to let go of shame.
How sobriety has allowed Stephanie to rediscover joy and clarity, and how she shifted from selfishness to selflessness.
The role of community and support in recovery, and how finding like-minded people can make all the difference.
How Stephanie has used her faith to transform past regrets into purpose, and the deep connection between faith and freedom from alcohol.
Stephanie’s story is a testament to the power of faith, community, and the strength we all have to overcome addiction and live a transformed life.
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Ep. 121 Blake Roberts | More to the Story: Healing From Sex and Alcohol Addiction
In this episode, we sit down with Blake Roberts, a licensed therapist, writer, podcast host, and speaker based in Nashville, TN. Blake specializes in helping men heal attachment wounds, foster healthy relationships, and learn to trust again.
If you're looking for ways to support your husband—or any loved one—who is struggling with addiction, this is a must-listen. Blake offers invaluable insights into the healing process, the power of community, and how to move from self-protection to real connection.
Blake shares his personal journey, from navigating a complicated upbringing and battling addiction to finding freedom through therapy, 12-step recovery, and faith.
He opens up about key turning points in his life, including an intensive workshop for sex addiction, his decision to quit drinking, and his unexpected shift from pursuing ministry to becoming a therapist.
Blake also introduces his latest project, Three Percent, a community he co-founded to help men develop honesty, vulnerability, and deeper connections.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
How family dynamics shape our emotional and relational patterns
The role of addiction, therapy, and faith in Blake’s healing journey
Why honesty and vulnerability are essential for recovery
The impact of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy on self-awareness
The mission behind Three Percent and why men need safe spaces for authentic connection
In this heartfelt episode, ministry leader Ali Kennedy shares her deeply personal journey from struggling with alcohol to experiencing spiritual renewal and true freedom.
Ali’s struggle with alcohol began in her early teenage years and continued through college, marriage, and motherhood. Despite being in ministry, she wrestled with feelings of shame and internal conflict around her drinking—hiding a battle she thought she should have already won. The turning point came when she confessed her struggles to close friends, a moment that sparked a journey of surrender, healing, and faith-filled transformation.
Throughout the conversation, Ali shares:
How confession and vulnerability led to her breakthrough.
The role of community and accountability in her healing process.
The significance of the 40-day alcohol fast that changed her life.
How sobriety brought unexpected mental clarity and personal growth.
Ali is using her story to encourage other women navigating transition, faith, and personal growth. As a certified coach, author, and speaker, she equips women and families with biblical and practical resources to stay grounded in their faith in a world that constantly pulls them in different directions.
Her story is one of grace, resilience, and radical honesty, reminding us that freedom is always possible—even for those in Christian leadership who feel like they should have it all together.
If you're a ministry leader, a mom balancing faith and real-life struggles, or someone seeking hope in your own sobriety journey, this episode is for you.
Mel Robbins’ Let Them philosophy has taken the self-help world by storm. But is it really the key to peace and freedom? Or is there something deeper—something better—that God calls us to instead?
In today’s episode, we break down where Let Them aligns with biblical wisdom… and where it misses the mark. Through real-life experiences and scriptural truths, we explore why true peace doesn’t come from just “letting them” but from fully surrendering to Him.
We also share how embracing God’s guidance—not just detachment—was the key to breaking free from alcohol and finding lasting transformation.
What You’ll Learn:
Why secular self-help can only take you so far – Letting go sounds freeing, but true freedom comes from surrendering to God, not just stepping back.
The danger of 'following your heart' – Culture says to trust your feelings, but Scripture reminds us that the heart can be deceptive (Jeremiah 17:9).
How sobriety and faith intersect – Relying on mindset shifts alone can keep you stuck, while Jesus offers true renewal.
Forgiveness vs. detachment – Instead of just cutting people loose, Jesus calls us to a higher standard: forgiveness, love, and grace.
Navigating relationships through faith – Healthy boundaries and biblical grace can coexist—here’s how to strike that balance.
If you’ve ever felt exhausted from trying to control people, situations, or outcomes—this episode is for you. True peace isn’t found in letting go… it’s found in letting Him lead.
Press play, take a deep breath, and let’s dive in.
Note: The Let Them language was first attributed to Cassie Phillips.
Today we welcome Jo Hargreaves, a pastor, psychotherapist, writer, and speaker, to explore the intersection of faith, therapy, and mental health.
As the voice behind The Faith-Filled Therapist, Jo is passionate about integrating theology and therapy, scripture and neuroscience, and ensuring that God remains at the center of conversations about mental and emotional well-being.
Jo shares powerful insights into attachment theory, nervous system regulation, and emotional resilience, explaining how our earliest experiences shape the way we connect with God and others.
She breaks down the science behind emotional regulation and how rewiring our brains through intentional practices can lead to lasting healing.
Key takeaways from this episode include:
Attachment theory helps explain our emotional responses and relational patterns.
Nervous system regulation is essential for mental and emotional well-being.
Compassion—both for ourselves and others—can transform our relationships.
Faith and neuroscience are not in conflict; they beautifully complement each other.
Self-reflection and a deeper understanding of our emotional patterns can lead to spiritual and psychological healing.
Jesus offers a loving presence that creates safety, healing, and wholeness.
Jo also speaks on compassion fatigue, especially for women who are constantly pouring into others. She emphasizes the importance of creating space for restoration and self-care, so we can continue to show up fully in our relationships.
If you’ve ever wondered how mental health and faith intersect or how neuroscience and scripture can work together for personal transformation, this conversation is for you. Jo’s wisdom, warmth, and faith-filled perspective offer a fresh take on healing—one that blends science, therapy, and the unshakable truth of God’s love.
Ep. 117 Brandi Babb | The Power of Somatic Practice in Sobriety and Beyond
Our friend Brandi Babb shares her powerful freedom-from-alcohol story—from her early days as a “good girl” who followed all the rules to confronting the painful realities of alcohol use disorder and the internal divide between her faith and her drinking.
Brandi opens up about how her struggle with alcohol began at 21 and intensified after her father's passing. She reveals how alcohol slowly stole her sense of self, leading to a split life that masked deeper emotional wounds and feelings of shame.
By learning to slow down and tune into her bodily sensations, Brandi discovered a new way to manage cravings and identify long-standing patterns born from trauma and discomfort. This practice of "orienting" herself in the present moment allowed her to reclaim control and gain clarity.
Now alcohol-free for over six years, Brandi has transitioned into somatic coaching, using her personal experience to help others bridge the gap between emotional awareness and physical healing. In this episode, we explore how physical reactions to past injuries can manifest in unexpected ways and how reconnecting with our bodies is key to breaking unhealthy cycles.
Brandi’s story is a powerful reminder that recovery isn’t about erasing our past—it’s about embracing it with awareness, compassion, and a commitment to growth.
If you’re ready to dive into deeper emotional healing and learn practical tools for managing cravings and anxiety, this episode is a must-listen.
Bonus: Interested in learning more from Brandi? She’ll be joining the BJDW community on March 18th to lead a masterclass on using somatic practices to break free from alcohol. Join us here: butjesusdrankwine.com/community.
Content Warning:This episode references sensitive topics, including sexual assault and trauma. We recognize that these subjects may be difficult or triggering for some listeners. Please take care of yourself while listening. If you or someone you know is in need of support, please seek help from a trusted resource or helpline. Listener discretion is strongly advised.
Today, we welcome Dr. Lisa Stanton to share her powerful testimony. Lisa opens up about her parents' amicable divorce left an emotional void she didn’t know how to process. On the outside, she appeared to have it all—private school, sports accolades, and academic success—but beneath the surface, she battled loneliness, perfectionism, and crippling social anxiety.
Her struggle with alcohol began early, with an immediate pull toward problematic drinking, and was soon compounded by severe eating disorders. While excelling academically and professionally, she led a double life—outwardly achieving, inwardly unraveling. The weight of it all finally became unbearable during the pandemic, when she was faced with a choice: keep running or surrender.
Lisa takes us through the moment she gave up control and turned back to faith, discovering a healing far deeper than she ever expected. She shares the daily practices that helped her break free from destructive cycles, the misconceptions about recovery she had to unlearn, and the profound peace that comes from living in alignment with God’s purpose. Her story is a testament to the fact that no one is too far gone, and that true healing—both physical and spiritual—is possible for anyone ready to surrender.
If you've ever struggled with addiction, perfectionism, or feeling like you have to have it all together, this episode is for you.
You can get Lisa's book "52 Life-Changing Lessons I Learned in Recovery: A Journey Towards Sobriety, Honesty, and Radical Forgiveness" right here.
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Ep. 115 Kori Leigh | From Rock Bottom to Redemption, Breaking Generational Patterns, and Rediscovering Who God Really Is
Disclaimer: This episode discusses topics including suicide and suicidal ideation, which may be distressing to some listeners. If you are experiencing emotional distress or feel unsafe, please know that help is available. If you are in immediate danger or need urgent support, call 911 (if in the United States) or your local emergency services immediately.
For those in the United States, you can reach the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988 (available 24 hours) or 1-800-273-8255. If you're located outside the United States, please consult your local crisis intervention resources or visit https://findahelpline.com for international hotline information.
Your well-being matters, and you are not alone. Please consider seeking help from trusted friends, family, or mental health professionals if you need support.
In this raw and vulnerable episode, Kori Leigh courageously shares her personal journey through addiction, recovery, and the rediscovery of faith. Kori’s story shatters the stereotypes of a dramatic "rock bottom"—revealing instead that her turning point was a quiet, insidious moment of clarity. Despite achieving outward success, she reached a point where the reality of an unmanageable relationship with alcohol became undeniable.
Kori opens up about how childhood trauma and longstanding familial patterns contributed to her struggles with alcohol. Instead of remaining trapped in a cycle of self-destruction, she embarked on a transformative journey by embracing a 12-step program and turning to faith. Her commitment to sobriety has now spanned eight years, proving that freedom from alcohol is not about a single moment but about a continuous, intentional journey of healing.
Reconnecting with God provided Kori with the courage to break generational cycles and embrace a life filled with hope and divine grace. Her story is a testament to the transformative power of faith, vulnerability, and self-examination, offering practical insights and heartfelt encouragement to anyone facing similar battles.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
Join us for an episode filled with honest reflections and uplifting encouragement as Kori Leigh’s journey reminds us that even in the darkest moments, there is a path to healing and a future filled with hope – and a sober life beyond our wildest dreams!
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
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