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Inside the SR-71: A Crew Chief’s Story — Episode 82
09 Nov 2026
01:07:01
Tom Neff, an SR-71 Blackbird crew chief, takes us inside the careful work that kept one of aviation’s fastest aircraft ready to fly.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with U.S. Air Force veteran Tom Neff about maintaining the SR-71 at Beale Air Force Base. From treating exterior fasteners to withstand the heat of Mach 3 flight to the tense process of starting the J58 engines, Neff shares what it took to prepare the Blackbird for a mission. He also describes his years in competitive RC flying and how he now coaches the Wings Over the Rockies Predators drone soccer team. This one is going to be cool!
What you’ll hear:
Why the SR-71 could leak fuel on the ground, and why that was expected.
How the Blackbird’s speed and heat shaped its maintenance procedures.
What a crew chief checked before an aircraft was cleared to fly.
Why starting the J58 engines was one of the most stressful parts of the job.
What it was like to arrive at Beale Air Force Base and see the SR-71 for the first time.
How Neff competed in RC combat flying, including international competitions.
How his aviation experience carries into teaching students and coaching drone soccer.
What advice Neff gives future aircraft maintainers: good enough isn’t good enough.
Major Eric “Porky” Scheibe flew more than 2,087 hours in the AV-8B Harrier II. Now he reflects on the aircraft’s final Marine Corps flight and the people who made its missions possible.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with Scheibe about flying the “jump jet,” supporting Marines on the ground, and helping close the Marine Corps’ last operational Harrier squadron, VMA-223. From his first hover at Cherry Point to night landings aboard amphibious assault ships, Scheibe shares what it took to fly and maintain this unusual aircraft. This one is going to be cool!
What you’ll hear:
The final Harrier flight: Why Scheibe had to keep his eyes on the lead aircraft as thousands watched the June 2026 sundown ceremony.
Learning to hover: What it felt like to slow a jet until its wings were no longer providing normal lift.
Why short takeoffs mattered: How a rolling takeoff let the Harrier carry more fuel and weapons than a vertical launch.
Close air support in Afghanistan: The mission that became personal when Scheibe met the Marines he had helped from the air.
Flying from amphibious ships: How wind, aircraft weight, fuel, and deck schedules shaped every launch and recovery.
Landing at night: The concentration required to bring a Harrier down vertically on a moving ship.
The people behind every flight: The trust between pilots, maintainers, plane captains, and flight deck crews.
The Bulldogs’ next chapter: What VMA-223’s Harrier legacy can carry into its planned transition to the F-35B.
From the Marine Corps’ final Harrier squadron to the SR-71 Blackbird, Season 9 of Behind the Wings brings you the people and stories behind extraordinary aircraft.
Join host Rick Crandall for 10 new episodes featuring the most exciting stories from across aerospace. Behind the Wings began in support of Wings Over the Rockies Air & Space Museum’s mission to educate and inspire. More than 80 episodes later, we’re still exploring flight and space through the voices of the people who fly, build, study and preserve them.
New episodes drop every other Monday, starting October 26. Subscribe wherever you listen, and explore the full Behind the Wings library while you wait.
Go inside Constant Peg, the once-secret Cold War program that gave American fighter pilots the rare opportunity to train against real Soviet MiG aircraft.
In this special bonus episode, get a full-length lecture from former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot John Mann. A veteran of the F-4 Phantom II, F-15 Eagle and Operation Desert Storm, Mann flew MiG-21s and MiG-23s with the Red Eagles during Constant Peg. He shares an extraordinary firsthand account of the aircraft, people and training program that transformed American air combat preparation.
What you'll hear:
Lessons from Vietnam: Why the U.S. Air Force reexamined its aircraft, weapons and fighter training
The origins of Constant Peg: How real Soviet aircraft became part of a highly classified adversary program
Meeting the MiGs: Mann’s first encounter with MiG-17 and MiG-21 aircraft during training
Flying the MiG-21: Its impressive turning ability, unforgiving handling and unconventional cockpit systems
Inside the MiG-23: Tremendous speed, variable-sweep wings and dangerous flight characteristics
Training against the real threat: How Constant Peg taught American pilots to recognize and counter Soviet aircraft
The maintenance heroes: How crews kept unfamiliar MiGs flying without factory support, technical manuals or standard replacement parts
Risk and secrecy: The strict security rules, hazardous test flights and sacrifices behind the Red Eagles program
Preparing for Desert Storm: How realistic adversary training helped give American aircrews a decisive advantage
See the aircraft: Learn more about the MiG-23 on display at Wings Over the Rockies Air & Space Museum
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Asteroid Bennu and the Ingredients for Life - Episode 80
24 Aug 2026
00:32:06
What can a few grains of asteroid dust tell us about the origins of life on Earth?
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with NASA astrochemist José C. Aponte about the organic chemistry preserved inside asteroid Bennu. From NASA’s OSIRIS-REx sample-return mission to amino acids, nucleobases, and the mystery of life’s left-handed molecules, Aponte explains how scientists search for clues to our chemical origins. This one is going to be cool!
What you’ll hear:
Why NASA traveled to Bennu: Pristine asteroid material offers evidence that meteorites altered by Earth’s environment cannot.
How scientists prevent contamination: A fingerprint can contain more organic material than the tiny Bennu samples researchers analyze.
What researchers discovered: Bennu contains 14 of the 20 amino acids used to build proteins and all five nucleobases found in DNA and RNA.
Why molecular diversity matters: Thousands of nitrogen-bearing compounds reveal the complex chemical environment of the early solar system.
How a mass spectrometer works: Aponte explains how scientists use molecular fragments to identify compounds inside asteroid material.
The mystery of left-handed amino acids: Life uses almost exclusively one mirror-image form, but scientists still do not know why.
The search for tryptophan: Researchers found tentative evidence that could represent the first extraterrestrial detection of this complex amino acid.
What Bennu’s salts reveal: Minerals formed through evaporating water suggest Bennu’s material originated in a different part of the solar system.
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
How the World Agreed to Go Farther - Episode 79
10 Aug 2026
00:39:14
NASA’s Meredith McKay discusses how diplomacy, trust, and international cooperation are helping turn ambitious space missions into reality.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with Meredith McKay, Deputy Associate Administrator in NASA’s Office of International and Interagency Relations, about the partnerships behind humanity’s next steps into space. From the hard-earned lessons of the International Space Station to Artemis and the growing community of nations signing the Artemis Accords, McKay explains how cooperation on Earth becomes exploration in space. This one is going to be cool!
What you'll hear:
NASA diplomacy behind the scenes: How a team of fewer than 50 people helps scientists, engineers, governments, and space agencies build successful partnerships
Reworking the International Space Station: McKay recalls helping negotiate a new assembly plan after the loss of Columbia reduced the remaining shuttle flights from 28 to 18
What makes international cooperation last: Why shared goals, clearly defined responsibilities, and benefits for every participating nation give partnerships staying power
Lessons from 25 years aboard the ISS: How trust and open communication have sustained one of the most complex international projects ever attempted
The transition beyond the space station: How NASA is helping prepare commercial destinations and a new economy in low Earth orbit
What makes Artemis different from Apollo: The international crews, spacecraft, rovers, payloads, and surface systems supporting a long-term return to the Moon
What the Artemis Accords actually do: How their principles put the Outer Space Treaty into practice through peaceful exploration, scientific cooperation, astronaut assistance, and coordination on the lunar surface
Building the future together: Why listening, remaining open to unexpected opportunities, and “rowing in the same direction” may be as important as any spacecraft or technology
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Fighting Wildfires from the Sky - Episode 78
27 Jul 2026
00:37:37
As wildfires grow larger and more complex, pilots, firefighters, scientists, and aviation experts are developing new ways to protect communities from the air.
In Episode 78, Host Rick Crandall revisits interviews about wildfire aviation originally recorded in 2021. From Colorado’s East Troublesome Fire and infrared-equipped Pilatus PC-12s to single-engine air tankers, Firehawk helicopters, and night-vision operations, these experts reveal how people, aircraft, and real-time information come together to support firefighters on the ground. This one is going to be cool!
What you'll hear:
The East Troublesome Fire reaches Grand Lake: Resident Ernie Bjorkman and Assistant Fire Chief Schelly Olsen recall the evacuation and the challenges facing local firefighters.
Why wildfires are becoming more difficult to contain: Colorado State Climatologist Dr. Russ Schumacher explains how heat, drought, wind, forest health, and climate shape fire behavior.
Seeing through smoke with infrared sensors: Mission Sensor Operators explain how Colorado’s Multi-Mission Aircraft locate hotspots and map active fires.
A symphony in the sky: PC-12 pilot Dave Bickerstaff describes how tankers, helicopters, lead planes, intelligence aircraft, and ground crews coordinate over a wildfire.
Single-engine air tankers: SEATS are agile aircraft that can operate from smaller airports and deliver precise retardant drops to help ground crews contain fires before they grow.
The Firehawk: CAL FIRE leaders explain how the Black Hawk-based helicopter transports crews, performs rescues, and carries a 1,000-gallon water tank.
Marc “Thor” Olson’s night-flying legacy: The veteran pilot explains how night-vision goggles could extend fixed-wing firefighting operations beyond sunset.
This episode honors Marc “Thor” Olson, who died in the line of duty on November 16, 2021, while flying a nighttime water-drop mission on the Kruger Rock Fire near Estes Park, Colorado. It also recognizes every firefighter and aviator who has made the ultimate sacrifice protecting people, communities, and public lands.
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
F-15, F-16 or F-22? A General's Verdict - Episode 77
13 Jul 2026
01:09:51
Brigadier General Micah “Zeus” Fessler shares stories about flying the F-15 and F-22, traces Colorado fighter aviation from early biplanes to the F-16, and today's homeland defense mission.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with “Zeus” about the aircraft, missions, training, and people that shaped his military career, including combat operations, Weapons School, and the Colorado Air National Guard. From the 120th Observation Squadron’s early Jennys to Buckley’s ongoing alert mission, Micah offers a wide-ranging look at fighter aviation and the community behind it. This one is going to be cool!
What you'll hear:
Why Buckley has remained on alert since 9/11 and how Colorado supports the defense of NORAD/NORTHCOM.
How Colorado Air National Guard aviation grew from early biplanes at high elevation to Block 30 F-16s.
Why the Viper remains a flexible, high-demand aircraft for air-to-air, close air support, and emerging drone defense missions.
"Zeus" explains the discipline, radar work, stick-and-rudder flying, and debrief culture that shaped him as a fighter pilot.
How one loud, eventful training flight in Alaska turned into a fighter pilot call sign.
What changed with stealth, sensor fusion, battle management, and fifth-generation tactics.
A memorable F-22 sortie involving ISIS targets, F-16s, tankers, command-and-control aircraft, and Russian air activity.
How citizen airmen preserve deep experience while serving both overseas missions and local Colorado communities.
Colorado aviation heritage, the 120th Fighter Squadron, Minute Men demonstration team, and the legacy of service connected to Wings’ newest aircraft—a Thunderbird F-16D.
"Zeus" encourages young people to believe in themselves, control what they can control, and accept help along the way.
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
The Most Dangerous Plane to Fly in Vietnam - Episode 76
29 Jun 2026
01:06:48
Air Force veteran Art Elser reveals what it took to fly low, slow, and exposed as a forward air controller during the Vietnam War.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with former forward air controller Art Elser about flying more than 400 combat missions in the Cessna O-2A Skymaster and O-1E Bird Dog. From directing air support over the Ho Chi Minh Trail to helping Special Forces teams under fire, Elser offers a personal account of aviation, fear, courage, responsibility, and the long journey home. This one is going to be cool!
What you’ll hear:
Inside the O-2 Skymaster: How a civilian aircraft became a flying observation post, radio relay, and target marker
The forward air controller mission: Why FAC pilots remained low over the battlefield after faster aircraft departed
O-1 Bird Dog vs. O-2 Skymaster: How the aircraft differed in handling, performance, and suitability for remote airstrips
Marking targets under fire: How Elser used white-phosphorus “Willie Pete” rockets to guide attacking aircraft
Over the Ho Chi Minh Trail: Searching for trucks, supply areas, choke points, and hidden movement beneath the jungle
Night operations: Using starlight scopes, Blind Bat flare ships, B-57 Canberras, and F-4 Phantoms to find targets in darkness
Becoming “Jake 44”: How Elser built personal relationships with the Special Forces teams who depended on him
Courage and coming home: What Elser learned about fear, character, loss, and carrying the war’s memories into civilian life
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Will Air Taxis Change Everything? - Episode 75
15 Jun 2026
00:53:25
NASA’s RAVEN aircraft is helping researchers explore one of aviation’s biggest next steps: electric vertical takeoff and landing.
NASA’s RAVEN aircraft is helping researchers explore one of aviation’s biggest next steps: electric vertical takeoff and landing.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with NASA researchers Siena Whiteside and Jason Welstead about RAVEN, the Research Aircraft for eVTOL Enabling Technologies. From air taxis and regional mobility to noise, safety, hover-to-forward-flight transitions, and the challenge of scaling new aircraft designs, Sienna and Jason explain how NASA is building a flying laboratory for the future of advanced air mobility. This one is going to be cool!
🎧 What you’ll hear:
How eVTOL aircraft work: What electric vertical takeoff and landing means, and how these aircraft differ from helicopters and airplanes
What advanced air mobility means: How drones, air taxis, and regional aircraft fit into the future of transportation
Meet NASA’s RAVEN: Why NASA is building a remotely operated research aircraft to study eVTOL technology
Air taxi vs. flying car: Why eVTOLs are more likely to connect transportation hubs than replace your car
The safety challenge: Why public trust and certification are essential before eVTOLs become common
Noise and community impact: How researchers are studying aircraft sound, not just loudness
Hover to forward flight: Why the transition from vertical lift to wing-borne flight is one of the hardest problems to solve
Why size matters: How RAVEN bridges the gap between small models and full-scale passenger aircraft
Open eVTOL research: How NASA hopes to share data with universities, startups, and industry partners
Advice for future aerospace engineers: Why broad experience and curiosity matter in a fast-changing field
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Flying Soviet MiGs in the Nevada Desert - Episode 74
01 Jun 2026
01:20:08
Rob “Z-Man” Zettel shares his story from inside one of the Air Force’s most secret Cold War programs, Project Constant Peg.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with Z-Man, a retired U.S. Air Force fighter pilot and former member of the legendary 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron, the “Red Eagles,” about what it was like to fly real Soviet MiG fighters in the Nevada desert. From the F-4 Phantom and F-5 aggressors to the MiG-21 and MiG-23 at Tonopah Test Range, Zettel offers a firsthand look inside the classified program designed to train American pilots against the real thing. This one is going to be cool!
🎧 What you’ll hear:
How Vietnam changed air combat training: Why the Air Force realized pilots needed to train against real adversary aircraft
Getting recruited into Constant Peg: The mysterious selection process and entering one of the Air Force’s most secret programs
First time flying a MiG: Learning Soviet fighters with Russian-labeled controls and almost no manuals
MiG-21 vs. MiG-23: The strengths, weaknesses, and personalities of the Soviet fighters compared to American jets
Flying against America’s best: Training Weapons School, Topgun, and frontline fighter crews in real MiGs
Life inside Tonopah Test Range: The secrecy, satellite windows, and culture surrounding the Red Eagles
The psychology behind Constant Peg: How the program eliminated “buck fever” before real combat
What the MiGs taught the Air Force: Lessons in maneuvering, energy fighting, and defeating Soviet tactics
The maintainers behind the mission: Why keeping the MiGs flying required “miracles” from the ground crews
The legacy of Constant Peg: Why Z-Man believes the program transformed U.S. air superiority for decades to come
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Maintaining America's Secret MiGs - Episode 73
18 May 2026
00:37:44
Jim “JB” Bell shares his story from inside one of the Air Force’s most secret Cold War programs, Project Constant Peg.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with Jim, a retired crew chief of the legendary 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron, about what it took to keep MiG fighters flying in the Nevada desert. From maintaining MiG-17s, MiG-21s, and MiG-23s at Tonopah Test Range to flying on unmarked C-5s into China and bringing home F-7 fighters, Bell offers a rare perspective on one of the most classified adversary air programs in U.S. Air Force history. This one is going to be cool!
🎧 What you’ll hear:
How Bell got recruited into Constant Peg: From a chance meeting in a bar at Nellis to joining the secretive 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron
From F-4 Phantom to MiGs: Why working on Soviet fighters was completely different from traditional Air Force maintenance
What Constant Peg was built to solve: How Vietnam exposed the need for American pilots to train against real adversary aircraft
Learning to fix MiGs with no manuals: Trial and error, machine shops, scrounging parts, and building solutions from scratch
MiG-21 vs. MiG-23: Why the MiG-21 was reliable and rugged while the MiG-23 became a constant maintenance challenge
The crew chief mindset: What it meant to fully “own” an aircraft and why trust between pilots and maintainers mattered
China missions and unmarked C-5s: Traveling to Beijing in civilian clothes to recover Chinese-built F-7 fighters for the program
Life at Area 52: Working inside Tonopah Test Range alongside the early stealth programs and living inside a world of total secrecy
How Constant Peg changed air combat: Why Bell believes the program saved lives and gave American pilots a critical edge
The end of the program—and why it still matters: Why Constant Peg ended and why Bell believes a modern version should still exist today
Learn More:
Read the full show notes on the Wings Over the Rockies website
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Leadership Under Pressure - Episode 72
04 May 2026
00:37:47
Major General John Barry shares his story of leadership through some of the most consequential moments in modern aerospace and national security history.
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with John Barry, a fighter pilot, combat leader, former NASA official, and retired U.S. Air Force Major General. From Cold War alert missions in the F-4 Phantom to command at Luke Air Force Base, from surviving the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon to helping investigate the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, Barry reflects on a career shaped by what he calls “windows in history.” This one is going to be cool!
🎧 What you’ll hear:
From the Bronx to the Air Force Academy: The unexpected path that launched Barry’s career
The F-4 Phantom and Cold War Europe: Going from dead asleep to airborne in five minutes while sitting nuclear alert
A lesson in restraint: The near-shootdown that shaped how he identified targets in combat
Nellis, Red Flag, and flying against MiGs: How realism in training changed the fight
NASA and Challenger: What he learned watching an organization in crisis
Command in Turkey: Rebuilding trust after tragedy while flying combat missions over Iraq
Luke Air Force Base: Leading the largest fighter wing in the world and confronting dangerous F-16 engine failures
Leadership in practice: Why “make it better than you found it” became his guiding principle
Inside the Pentagon on 9/11: Evacuation, shock, and leadership in the immediate aftermath
Investigating Columbia: The technical failure, the cultural breakdowns, and the “echoes of Challenger”
Key takeaway: Preparation, humility, accountability, and the willingness to learn from history are what allow leaders and institutions to respond when the stakes are highest.
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Shot Down Over Hanoi - Episode 71
20 Apr 2026
00:44:10
Retired Col. Thomas Kirk shares his story of surviving solitary confinement for two years as a prisoner of war at the “Hanoi Hilton."
In this episode, Host Rick Crandall talks with Tom, a fighter pilot, squadron commander, and Vietnam War POW. From one of the most intense air-combat battlefields in history to the harrowing story that followed, Kirk explores what it took to persevere through the unthinkable. There is a lot to learn!
🎧 What you’ll hear:
Inside Hanoi airspace: What it felt like flying through dense SAMs, AAA, and MiGs
October 28, 1967: Leading a major strike, getting hit, and making the call to finish the mission
Ejection and capture: The moment everything changed
Life inside the “Hanoi Hilton”: Torture, isolation, and survival
Two years alone: How routine, discipline, and mindset kept him going in solitary confinement
The tap code: Communication, connection, and resilience among POWs
Leadership under pressure: Commanding pilots in one of the most dangerous theaters of war
Coming home: The physical and emotional return after 5.5 years
Perspective: Faith, service, and “every day above ground is a great day.”
Key takeaway:
Kirk’s story reframes resilience as endurance over years, built on discipline, belief, and connection to others.
About the guest:
Col. Thomas H. Kirk is a retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and combat veteran of both Korea and Vietnam. He commanded the 357th Fighter Squadron and flew missions over North Vietnam in the Republic F-105 Thunderchief. Shot down on his 67th mission, he spent more than five years as a prisoner of war. He was awarded the Air Force Cross, four Silver Stars, and multiple Distinguished Flying Crosses. After his release, he returned to active duty in leadership roles before retiring and later built a successful business career, continuing to speak on leadership and resilience.
Learn More:
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This episode is supported in part by United Airlines.
Behind the Wings Season 8 Trailer
13 Apr 2026
00:01:26
Season 8 of Behind the Wings podcast is here. Hosted by Rick Crandall, the next 10 episodes deliver first-hand accounts from across the aerospace world, spanning historic combat missions, classified Cold War programs, and pivotal moments in space exploration. This season continues the show’s focus on connecting past, present, and future through the people who lived it.
Release Schedule:
New episodes drop every other Monday, beginning April 20, 2026.
More Info: Visit Wings Over the Rockies Air & Space Museum. Support Wings' Mission of aerospace education and inspiration.
Special thanks to United Airlines for supporting the podcast and helping bring these stories to life.
Supersonic Flight Without the Boom - Episode 70
16 Feb 2026
00:41:30
Get an inside look at NASA’s Quesst mission and the effort to bring supersonic flight back over land, without the disruptive sonic boom.
For more than 50 years, civil aircraft in the U.S. have been effectively barred from flying supersonic over land, not because of speed, but because of noise. NASA aims to change that paradigm with the X-59, a purpose-built experimental X-plane designed to reshape shockwaves so they reach the ground as a quiet “sonic thump” rather than a window-rattling boom.
We’re joined by Cathy Bahm, Low Boom Flight Demonstrator Project Manager at NASA Armstrong, who leads the design, build, and flight test progression of the X-59, and Lori Ozoroski, Commercial Supersonic Technology Project Manager at NASA, who oversees mission planning, acoustic validation, and community response testing, and how that data is delivered to regulators.
Why it matters: if regulators adopt a noise-based limit, commercial supersonic routes over land could become realistic again, potentially cutting long U.S. flights nearly in half.
The F-100 Saved This Pilot's Life - Episode 69
02 Feb 2026
00:35:48
Retired Pilot Col. John “Warman” Stewart discusses his Vietnam combat sorties and how the Super Sabre saved his life.
In this episode, we explore the history of the North American F-100, John’s Air Force career, his first supersonic flight, and what it was like operating one of the most important fighters of the Cold War. We also get an in-depth walkaround to understand how the Super Sabre's design features enabled its mission.
From breaking the sound barrier to supporting troops on the ground, this one is going to be cool!
What You'll Hear
The F-100 Super Sabre was the U.S. Air Force’s first supersonic fighter, marking a major leap in speed, capability, and risk during the early Cold War.
Flying the F-100 required constant attention, as early supersonic airplanes left little margin for error and demanded precise energy management.
John’s Air Force career placed him at the forefront of the jet-age transition, pushing the envelope for both pilots and their aircraft.
Combat operations over Vietnam highlighted the F-100’s role in close air support, where speed and firepower directly supported ground troops.
The Super Sabre’s legacy is one of innovation and hard-earned lessons, shaping fighters and tactics that followed for decades.
Human Factors Engineer Cynthia Hudy shares what it takes to design a spacecraft around the people who fly it.
We explore Cynthia’s role designing the systems inside Orion, from displays and controls to life support, radiation protection, and the everyday realities of living in deep space. We also discuss how astronaut feedback and human-in-the-loop testing are shaping Artemis II, the first crewed Orion mission to carry humans beyond low-Earth orbit since Apollo 17.
From engineering for diverse crews to preparing humans for deep-space autonomy, this one is going to be cool!
What You'll Hear
Artemis II is NASA’s first crewed mission beyond low Earth orbit since Apollo 17 This 10-day flight around the Moon is the critical proving mission before astronauts return to the lunar surface.
Orion is designed like a “tiny house” in deep space Every system inside the capsule is engineered so four astronauts can live, work, sleep, eat, exercise, and respond to emergencies in an extremely confined space.
Human factors engineering shapes nearly every design decision Orion is built around human physical and mental limits, treating the crew as an essential part of the spacecraft system—not an afterthought.
The interior of Orion is where Artemis II differs most from earlier missions Life support, a functioning bathroom, exercise equipment, food and water systems, and crew-controlled displays are all coming online for the first time.
Astronaut testing directly changed how Orion works “Human-in-the-loop” trials led to real design changes, from how doors open in microgravity to how astronauts sleep, move, and access critical systems.
Artemis II is the proving ground for future Moon landings and Mars missions What Orion demonstrates about comfort, safety, autonomy, and crew well-being will shape Artemis III and long-duration human exploration.
NFL Alum and Pilot Jimmy Graham shares stories about stunt flying and how it helped him relax when off the field.
In this episode, we discuss how Jimmy earned his pilot certificates during his football career, airshow aerobatics, and his restored 1957 Army Beaver and Vietnam-era UH-1 Huey. We also explore Jimmy's role as Chairman of the EAA Young Eagles program, and his commitment to inspiring future aviators. From the discipline of professional football to the focus required in the cockpit, this one is going to be cool!
Retired Fighter Pilot Lt. Col. Tammy Barlette shares how flying the A-10 prepared her for operating UAVs like the MQ-1.
In this episode, she discusses the Warthog's capabilities, combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, controlling the Predator and Reaper drones, returning to jets after a spinal injury, and how she now shares lessons from the flight deck as a mental performance trainer. As air superiority continues to shift from cockpits to control rooms, we get an inside look at why the pilot's role is more complex than ever before. This one is going to be cool!
Retired Test Pilot Rogers E. Smith recalls flying the final SR-71 Blackbird flight and how a fuel leak grounded the aircraft forever.
In this episode, we discuss his Canadian and American military careers, flying experimental aircraft for NASA, and piloting a MiG-25 at 80,000 feet in Russia. From first to fourth-generation fighters, Rogers has flown nearly every U.S. jet and then some, all without ever attending a formal test pilot school. This one is going to be cool!
(04:32) - From First to Fourth Generation Fighters
(05:06) - How Jet Capabilities Evolved
(08:58) - Becoming a Test Pilot
(09:56) - Favorite Airplane
(11:04) - The Bell X-22
(12:34) - The Grumman X-29
(15:16) - Joining NASA
(18:37) - Flying at 85,000 Feet
(22:16) - The Cockpit View
(23:40) - SR-71 Research and Testing
(27:44) - The Last Blackbird Flight
(29:40) - The Russian‑American Flight Exchange
(36:52) - Flying the MiG-25
(37:34) - Rogers' Advice
(40:32) - Outro
Flying the First U.S. Harrier Combat Mission - Episode 64
24 Nov 2025
00:33:57
Retired AV-8B Pilots Capt. Frank “Pugs” Smith and Lt. Col. Luke “Warren” Jacobs take us behind the iconic Jump Jet and its 40-year legacy.
We are back with our regularly scheduled podcast! In this episode, they discuss carrier operations, vertical takeoff and landing, the challenges of maintaining the aircraft, and how the fighter performed its missions. The Harrier remains one of aviation’s boldest experiments, paving the way for newer V/STOL platforms like the F-35B. This one is going to be cool!
Unlocking Asteroid Secrets - PBS S7 Miniseries Episode 4
13 Nov 2025
00:15:49
How OSIRIS-REx's journey to Asteroid Bennu could reveal clues to the origins of life on Earth.
Welcome to the finale of our 4-part bonus podcast miniseries on the making of Behind the WingsPBS Season 7!
In this episode, Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy LaTourrette share stories from filming around the U.S. to learn more about OSIRIS-REx's journey to Asteroid Bennu. Join us as we discuss how meteorites helped launch the O-REx idea, designing the spacecraft, touring the asteroid testing wall, and solving problems millions of miles from Earth. This one is going to be cool!
Check out the full-length video on PBS or our YouTube channel on November 27. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
As we conclude our miniseries, our regular podcast returns on November 24 with a conversation about the Harrier aircraft. Tune in to hear inside stories on flying the Jump Jet and its hovering ability!
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 6, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 13, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Wings’ YouTube Channel: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 20, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 27, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Chapters:
(00:00) - Intro
(00:27) - OSIRIS-REx Overview
(01:28) - A 20-Year Mission
(03:23) - The Antarctic Asteroid Team
(04:53) - Why Bennu?
(05:52) - The TAG System
(07:50) - The Backup Plan
(09:20) - Landing Site
(09:53) - Collecting the First Samples
(10:50) - Bringing Material Back to Earth
(13:14) - Bennu Tea
(13:52) - The Next Generation's Research
(14:12) - OSIRIS-REx's Future
(14:55) - Outro
50 Years of the F-16 - PBS S7 Miniseries Episode 3
06 Nov 2025
00:17:40
How the F-16 became a combat legend around the world, and what it takes to build them.
Welcome to Part 3 of our 4-part bonus podcast miniseries on the making of Behind the Wings PBS Season 7!
In this episode, Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy LaTourrette share stories from filming around the U.S. to learn more about the history behind the Fighting Falcon. Join us as we discuss the dangerous first flight, touring the only manufacturing plant, technical upgrades, and test-flying the Viper fresh off the production line. This one is going to be cool!
Check out the full-length video on PBS or our YouTube channel. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 6, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 13, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Wings’ YouTube Channel: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 20, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 27, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Chapters:
(00:00) - Intro
(00:35) - Tracy's F-16 Background
(02:28) - Why We Chose the Viper
(03:37) - Aircraft Maintenance and Improvements
(04:47) - The Last Manufacturing Plant
(06:48) - Touring the Production Line
(08:51) - Test Flying Fighting Falcons
(09:47) - The Aircraft Design
(13:22) - The Dangerous First Flight
(14:17) - F-16 Legacy
(16:32) - Outro
Building the International Space Station - PBS S7 Miniseries Episode 2
30 Oct 2025
00:14:39
How the world's largest spacecraft taught us to live and work in space.
Welcome to Part 2 of our 4-part bonus podcast miniseries on the making of Behind the Wings PBS Season 7!
In this episode, Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy LaTourrette share stories from filming around the U.S. to learn more about building the International Space Station. Join us as we discuss astronaut training in the enormous Neutral Buoyancy Lab pool, assembling the ISS in orbit, life on board, and how mission control helps solve disasters in real time. This one is going to be cool!
Check out the full-length video on PBS or our YouTube channel. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 6, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 13, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Wings’ YouTube Channel: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 20, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 27, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Chapters:
(00:00) - Intro
(00:32) - The Idea Behind Space Stations
(01:11) - Forming International Partnerships
(01:45) - Assembling the ISS
(04:51) - Living Onboard the Station
(05:59) - Mission Control
(07:15) - The Neutral Buoyancy Lab
(10:36) - The Vehicle Mockup Assembly Building
(12:00) - Looking Towards the Future
(12:44) - Retiring the ISS
(13:57) - Outro
The Hurricane Hunters - PBS S7 Miniseries Episode 1
23 Oct 2025
00:16:58
What does it take to fly into a hurricane, and why is it important?
Welcome to Part 1 of our bonus podcast miniseries on The Making of Behind the Wings PBS Season 7. In this episode, Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy LaTourrette discuss stories they heard while filming The Hurricane Hunters. Join us as we explore the dare that started it all, the modified aircraft and its technology, and how the team saves millions of lives every year. This one is going to be cool!
Check out the full-length episode on PBS or our YouTube channel on November 6. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 6, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 13, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Wings’ YouTube Channel: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 20, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 27, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Chapters:
(00:00) - Intro
(00:56) - Why Pick This Topic?
(02:01) - The Hurricane Hunters' Origin Story
(03:11) - A Personal Story
(04:20) - The Flight Crew
(06:27) - Why Fly Into a Hurricane?
(07:57) - How the Information Is Used
(08:53) - The Aircraft
(09:54) - The Pilot's Perspective
(10:25) - The Equipment
(11:14) - The Flight Brief
(12:25) - Why Propellers Are Better than Engines
(13:20) - The Missions
(14:16) - The Future
(15:10) - Advice
(16:16) - Outro
Collecting Space Dust from Asteroid Bennu - Episode 63
20 Oct 2025
01:04:24
University of Arizona Professor and OSIRIS-REx Principal Investigator Dr. Dante Lauretta explains how asteroids could reveal the origins of life on Earth.
In this episode, we celebrate the fifth anniversary of the asteroid sample collection on October 20 and explore the spacecraft’s design, the daring Touch-And-Go maneuver, challenges the team overcame, and what we’ve learned so far from the materials returned from Asteroid Bennu. Our knowledge of space is rapidly evolving, and we still have so much more to learn.
This special release features the full-length conversation with Dante from our upcoming Season 7 of Behind the Wings on PBS. To dive deeper into the OSIRIS-REx mission, watch the video premiere on November 27 on our YouTube page. This one is going to be cool!
The regular podcast will take a short mid-season break and return on November 24. In the meantime, check out our upcoming weekly mini-series: The Making of Behind the Wings PBS Season 7!
The Making of Behind the Wings PBS S7 Miniseries Trailer
16 Oct 2025
00:01:41
We're excited to announce our special four-part podcast miniseries featuring stories from the making of our newest Behind the Wings PBS season!
Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy "Jackie'O" LaTourrette discuss our upcoming episodes: "The Hurricane Hunters," "Building the International Space Station," "50 Years of the F-16," and "Unlocking Asteroid Secrets." Join us to hear inside tales you won't find anywhere else. This is going to be cool!
Miniseries episodes come out every Thursday starting October 23. Also, check out the new season on PBS or at our YouTube channel beginning November 6. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
Our regular podcast episodes will take a mid-season break after Episode 63 and return on November 24.
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 6, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 13, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
Wings’ YouTube Channel: Episode 1 – The Hurricane Hunters: November 6, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 2 – Building the International Space Station: November 13, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 – 50 Years of the F-16: November 20, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 – Unlocking Asteroid Secrets: November 27, 2025, 7:30 p.m. MT
How Black Holes Could Unlock the Mysteries of the Universe - Episode 62
06 Oct 2025
00:38:44
Theoretical Physicist Andrew Strominger explains what exactly black holes are and how they could tell us about the beginning of the cosmos.
In this episode, Andrew discusses the questions behind black holes, the strange physics at their event horizon, what they reveal about the nature of space and time, and how he, Stephen Hawking, and Malcolm Perry helped develop the theory that "soft hairs" may store information on black holes' surface. From leading minds like Einstein, Hawking, and Strominger, our understanding of these celestial bodies is constantly evolving, and we still have so much to learn. This one is going to be cool!
(34:14) - Why Isn't a Black Hole Considered a Vacuum?
(35:02) - The Future of Physics
(36:15) - Andrew's Advice
(37:04) - Outro
Landing a Helicopter on a Bank Robber's Car - Episode 61
22 Sep 2025
00:30:38
Pilot Mike Silva recalls a high-speed chase that ended when his news helicopter stopped a fleeing criminal’s stolen car, allowing police to save a hostage's life.
Welcome to Season 7 of the Behind the Wings podcast! In this episode, Mike discusses Huey missions in Vietnam, piloting Copter4 at Denver CBS, returning to combat as the oldest Black Hawk aviator in Iraq, and saving lives during intense missions. From the Fire Base Mary Ann battle to flying alongside dangerous tornadoes, he has done it all in a career spanning more than 50 years. This one is going to be cool!
(01:36) - Which Aircraft Taught You the Most About Flying?
(02:19) - Mike's Favorite Aircraft
(03:17) - Aviation Beginnings
(04:05) - Joining the Army
(05:37) - Flight Training
(07:24) - Going to Vietnam
(08:03) - Lessons Learned From Vietnam
(08:50) - Flying the UH-1
(09:43) - Huey Roles
(10:26) - Fire Base Mary Ann Battle
(14:39) - Returning Home
(15:28) - Working for CBS
(17:02) - Landing on a Bank Robber's Car
(23:14) - Journey to Iraq
(25:18) - Encountering Snipers
(26:10) - Vietnam vs. Iraq
(27:05) - Awards and Honors
(27:54) - Mike's Advice
(29:15) - Outro
Behind the Wings Season 7 Trailer
15 Sep 2025
00:02:18
The Behind the Wings podcast is back with Season 7 and 10 new episodes! From the mysteries of black holes to the hovering capabilities of the Harrier Jump Jet, and the final flight of the SR-71 Blackbird, we've got some incredible stories and guests lined up!
New episodes come out every other Monday, starting next week with Pilot Mike Silva, famously known for landing his news helicopter on a fleeing bank robber's car. Subscribe wherever you listen, because this season is going to be cool.
See you next week for Season 7 of Behind the Wings. In the meantime, check out our past episodes!
Why the F-22 Transformed Stealth - Episode 60
11 Aug 2025
00:59:19
Retired Fighter Pilot Randy "Laz" Gordon explains how the F-22 changed the air battlefield and why it was built to win the first fight.
In this episode, Randy discusses the 70-plus aircraft he has flown, his combat career, test-flying fighter jets, and how artificial intelligence is shaping the future of aviation. We’ll also explore some of the Raptor's surprising similarities to civilian Cessna aircraft, and why, in some ways, the Skyhawk is a harder airplane to manage. From flying a zeppelin to iconic planes like the F-15, "Laz" has done it all. This one is going to be cool!
Episode 60 marks the end of Season 6. We will be taking a short break, but are excited to bring you more stories in Season 7, coming this fall.
How Orbital Debris Could End Space Exploration - Episode 59
28 Jul 2025
00:39:47
Astrophysicist Dr. Jonathan McDowell explains how the ever-growing problem of space junk is threatening satellites, science missions, and even spaceflight as we know it.
In this episode, Jonathan discusses orbital debris, anti-satellite missiles, clean-up efforts, and how one incident could cause a communication blackout for decades. In the lawless realm of low Earth orbit, we could see a future where space exploration comes to a halt altogether. However, some companies are testing solutions that aim to alleviate the problem before it's too late. There is a lot to learn!
Retired Pilot Maj. Gen. Garrett “Sack” Harencak and Weapons Systems Officer Lt. Col. Tony “Voodoo” Eret share what it was like to fly together in the Rockwell B-1 Lancer.
In this episode, they take us inside the “Bone”, a supersonic, variable-sweep wing bomber originally designed for low-level nuclear strikes and later transformed into a precision conventional strike aircraft. They discuss nuclear alert procedures, low-level mountain missions using terrain-following radar, and a first-hand account of ejecting from the four-person flight deck. This one is going to be cool!
How the F-111 Revolutionized Aircraft Capabilities - Episode 57
30 Jun 2025
00:36:17
Retired F-111 Pilot Lt. Col. Kevin “Too Kool” Kuhlmann explains how the General Dynamics F-111 could perform almost any role in the air battlefield, as a fighter, bomber, and even low-level attack aircraft.
In this episode, Kevin discusses maintaining weapon systems on the F-106 and F-4, flying the Aardvark, and the thrill of lighting the afterburner during fuel dumps. With groundbreaking technology for its time, like terrain-following radar, variable-sweep wings, and an ejection capsule, this supersonic jet was not only advanced but a whole lot of fun to fly. This one is going to be cool!
Social Scientist Alires Almon explains why the human element is critical to mission success during long-duration spaceflights.
In this episode, Alires discusses the impacts of sending people to the Moon and beyond, how to maintain their mental health, and the ethics of extended space missions. With challenges like extreme isolation, communication delays, and living within the confines of the spacecraft, taking care of an astronaut’s overall wellness will be no easy task. There is a lot to learn!
Retired Pilot Lt. Col. Josh Cadice shares his story of going to the edge of space in one of the most iconic spy planes ever built.
In this episode, Josh discusses flying the KC-135, wearing the pressure suit, piloting the mysterious U-2 at 70,000 feet, and its aerial reconnaissance capabilities. From Cold War origins to modern missions, this aircraft’s legacy is as fascinating as it is classified. This one is going to be cool!
Retired Navy Commander Everett Alvarez Jr. shares his story of surviving the Hỏa Lò Prison as one of the longest-held prisoners of war in U.S. history.
In this episode, Everett discusses flying the A-4 Skyhawk, being shot down in Vietnam, enduring harsh conditions and torture, and reacclimating to life back home after Operation Homecoming. Throughout his journey, Everett and fellow captives held onto the will to live when all else was stripped away. There is a lot to learn!
Air Boss Kellie Hudson tells us how she balances spectacle and safety while controlling intense air show skies.
In this episode, Kellie discusses her path from air traffic controller to air boss, managing the airspace over AirVenture Oshkosh, and ramp bossing the Super Bowl. From coordinating warbirds and jet teams to managing emergencies on the flight line, she shares what it takes to keep the skies and ground running smoothly. This one is going to be cool!
(07:00) - Controlling the Nellis Air Force Base Tower
(08:46) - Red Flag Exercises
(10:12) - Air Boss Origins
(11:49) - Managing the Airspace
(12:42) - Working at Air Shows
(15:22) - Air Show Risks
(17:08) - Air Bossing Oshkosh
(19:58) - Ramp Bossing the Super Bowl
(21:58) - Air Force One
(22:18) - Ramp vs. Air Boss Roles
(22:56) - Air Show Emergencies
(25:16) - Training
(26:26) - The Future of ATC and Air Boss Roles
(27:06) - Staffing Shortages and Aviation Incidents
(30:18) - Kellie's Advice
(31:43) - Outro
The Pilot Changing Hollywood Filmmaking - Episode 52
21 Apr 2025
00:37:31
Aerial Coordinator and Stunt Pilot Kevin “K2” LaRosa shares how he brought some of the most complex aviation movie scenes to life.
In this episode, Kevin discusses designing and flying the modified L-39 CineJet, filming iconic movies like "Top Gun: Maverick"and "Devotion", and training A-list Hollywood actors. If you’ve seen aerial cinematography on the big screen lately, it’s likely Kevin had a hand in it. Be sure to tune in because there's an exclusive announcement this episode! This one is going to be cool!
Want to hear more "Top Gun" stories? Check out Episode 40 with "Maverick" Stunt Pilot Scott "Intake" Kartvedt!
(26:38) - Mentally Preparing for High-Speed Stunts
(28:12) - Training Hollywood Actors
(29:27) - CGI vs. the Real Deal
(30:55) - Kevin's Heroes
(32:56) - Dream Movie to Work On
(33:12) - The Future of Aerial Cinematography
(34:07) - Kevin's Advice
(35:24) - Lacking an Off Button
(36:06) - Outro
The First Woman Thunderbirds Pilot - Episode 51
07 Apr 2025
00:43:57
Retired F-15 and F-16 fighter pilot Nicole Malachowski tells us about flying 18 inches off the wings of high-speed jets as a U.S. Air Force Thunderbird.
Welcome to Season 6 of the Behind the Wings podcast! In this episode, Nicole takes us through her groundbreaking journey as the first woman to become a Thunderbird pilot. She discusses her combat missions, flying in airshows, her WASP connection, and how a tick-borne illness changed her life forever. There is a lot to learn!
The Behind the Wings podcast is back with Season 6 and 10 new episodes! Hear stories from one of the longest interned Vietnam POWs, Everett Alvarez Jr., controlling the chaotic skies above air shows with Air Boss Kellie Hudson, and the making of Top Gun: Maverick and Devotion with Aerial Cinematographer and Stunt Pilot Kevin "K2" LaRosa. We've got some incredible stories and guests coming up!
New episodes come out every other Monday, starting next week with the first woman Thunderbird pilot, Nicole "FiFi" Malachowski. Subscribe wherever you listen, because this season is going to be cool!
We will see you next week for Season 6 of Behind the Wings. In the meantime, check out our past episodes!
Designing 400 Air and Spacecraft - Episode 50
10 Feb 2025
00:30:47
Legendary aerospace engineer Burt Rutan shares untold stories behind some of the most unique air and spacecraft ever built.
In this episode, Burt reflects on a lifetime of aerospace innovation — from working as a U.S. Air Force flight test engineer to breaking records with his homebuilt aircraft. He also discusses stall testing the F-4, Bede Aircraft, the world’s largest airplane, and the Voyager and GlobalFlyer around-the-world flights. This one is going to be cool!
Episode 50 marks the end of Season 5 of the Behind the Wings podcast. We'll be taking a short break and will be back later this year with Season 6!
Key Takeaways:
Burt's love of aviation began when two B-36 bombers flew over his house. He was building airplanes out of balsa wood at the time.
After college, Burt started his aerospace career at Edwards Air Force base as a civilian Flight Test Engineer. He worked on the F-4 to test and help with its stalling problems.
Jim Bede of Bede Aircraft wanted Burt to help him test and perfect his BD-5. Burt would work with him for two years overseeing test pilots and designs.
Burt's passion was to solve departure problems in aircraft. His home builds often had a canard design to help alleviate most spin issues. As of today, he has built 49 aircraft and created over 400 others.
Stratolaunch Roc, the world's largest aircraft, was designed by Burt. This twin-fuselage plane is used to test hypersonic flight by launching a vehicle, the Talon-A, from the aircraft's center.
Burt's aircraft have several world records including the round the world flights conducted by Dick Rutan in the Rutan Voyager and Steve Fosset in the Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer. Steve Fosset flew around the world three times in the GlobalFlyer.
Burt thinks the future of aviation is one without pilots. With the advancements of AI and autonomous vehicles, he thinks that future airplanes should be designed without aviator controls.
Retired NASA Astronaut Lieutenant General Susan Helms reflects on her 211 days in space and life onboard a young International Space Station.
In this episode, Susan takes us through her groundbreaking journey as the first active-duty woman officer to become a NASA astronaut. She discusses attending the United States Air Force Academy, flight testing fighter jets, her five space missions, and a record-breaking spacewalk. This one is going to be cool!
Key Takeaways:
Susan's childhood dream was to attend the United States Air Force Academy. At the time, women were not permitted to learn at the USAFA, but in 1975 during her senior year of high school, President Ford signed a law allowing women to enroll. She applied and was accepted to the Academy, joining 157 other women in the first class of 1976.
After graduating from the USAFA in 1980, Susan was assigned to Eglin Air Force Base as an F-16 Weapons Separation Engineer and then became the Lead Engineer for F-15 weapons separation. She then transferred to Edwards Air Force Base to be a Flight Test Engineer.
While flight testing CF-18s in Canada, Susan was selected to become a NASA astronaut. She flew on STS-54, 64, 78, 101, and Expedition 2.
Susan and crewmate Jim Voss trained and studied languages in Moscow with fellow Cosmonaut Yuri Usachov before their Expedition 2 flight.
On a few of her missions, Susan operated the Remote Manipulator System on the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station. This robot arm is used to deploy satellites, capture objects, and assist astronauts during spacewalks.
In 2001, Susan Helms and Jim Voss set a world record after spacewalking for 8 hours and 56 minutes. This record was held for 23 years before Chinese astronauts Cai Xuzhe and Song Lingdong broke it in 2024 by 10 minutes.
Susan encourages listeners to do what they love and not to follow careers that others are pushing them towards.
(01:00) - The First Space Tourist & Astronaut Roles
(02:55) - Early Interest in Aviation
(03:34) - USAFA Application
(04:52) - The USAFA's First Class of Women
(05:54) - Attending the USAFA
(08:01) - F-15 & F-16 Weapons Testing
(09:52) - The Flight Test Engineer Role
(11:14) - Flight Testing in Canada
(13:00) - Astronaut Selection & First Mission
(14:45) - Flying at Mach 25
(15:32) - The Remote Manipulator System (RMS)
(18:19) - Astronaut Training in Moscow
(21:04) - A Record-Breaking Spacewalk
(24:54) - Eating & Drinking During Spacewalks
(26:17) - Living in Space
(28:35) - Post Astronaut Career
(30:22) - Space Exploration's Future
(32:02) - Life Advice
(32:45) - Outro
Discovering the First Pulsar - Episode 48
13 Jan 2025
00:24:47
Astrophysicist and professor, Dame Jocelyn Bell Burnell reflects on how she helped change astronomy forever.
In this episode, learn more about how a peculiar signal from space led Jocelyn to a groundbreaking discovery. She discusses her aerospace journey, building a radio telescope, discovering pulsars, and the 1974 Nobel Prize controversy. This one is going to be cool!
Key Takeaways:
At the time, women were not often permitted to study science fields in school. Her parents protested this rule and Jocelyn became top of her class in Physics.
While attending Cambridge, Jocelyn helped build their radio telescope alongside Astronomers Martin Ryle and Antony Hewish.
Originally the telescope was built to study Quasars, which are distant galaxies whose incredibly bright cores are powered by supermassive black holes.
While observing and researching the telescope, Jocelyn found a strange "pulse" that occurred at regular intervals. Labeled LGM-1 or Little Green Men 1, it was the first recording of a pulsar.
Since pulsars were discovered, over 3,000 have been found today.
In 1974, Martin Ryle and Antony Hewish were awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of pulsars. Because Martin and Antony were the telescopes' leaders, Jocelyn, a student at the time, was left out. She has since been awarded several prestigious accolades.
Jocelyn encourages audiences to double-check anomalies as they never know which scientific discoveries could be found.
AI's Military Future with the USAF Secretary - Episode 47
30 Dec 2024
00:23:32
Secretary of the United States Air Force Frank Kendall discusses AI's impact on modern air warfare.
In this episode, we're switching things up and going to the Pentagon to bring you a special in-depth conversation on artificial intelligence in military aviation. Secretary Kendall discusses AI’s evolving role in U.S. air power, collaborative combat aircraft, technology breakthroughs, and ethical concerns. This one is going to be cool!
Key Takeaways:
Secretary Kendall discusses the history of AI in the U.S. military and how it has helped transform Air Force operations.
Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) are uncrewed aircraft flown by artificial intelligence. They are currently being tested alongside fighter jets to become loyal wingmen.
The ethics of artificial intelligence in warfare remains at the forefront of AI integration. Secretary Kendall wants to ensure that the U.S. complies with the laws of war and maintains human accountability for lethal decision-making.
CCA's can be both budget-friendly and help save time when testing new technologies.
AI advancement aims to help the U.S. maintain technological superiority over its global adversaries.
By integrating CCAs in the frontlines of combat, they could help save fighter pilot lives by taking on more risky missions or diverting enemy fire.
Secretary Kendall stresses the importance of enhancing AI operations quickly while ensuring that ethics are not left behind.
National Museum of WWII Aviation Curator Gene Pfeffer discusses why winning the air war was pivotal to D-Day's success.
In this episode, we’ll dive into the planning and execution of air operations, the aircraft that supported the massive assault, the continued aerial support for troops after Operation Overlord, and its lasting legacy and impact on aviation. June 6, 2024, marked the 80th anniversary of D-Day and gave us the opportunity to learn more about one of the most important battles of WWII. This one is going to be cool!
Key Takeaways:
Gene takes us through the evolution of aircraft spurred by World War II, from biplanes to jets.
Although America hadn't yet entered the war, planning for D-Day began in 1940, outlining what exactly would be required for the invasion.
In 1943, it was decided that the Allies could not win the invasion without air superiority. Leading up to D-Day, the Allies focused heavily on eliminating the German Air Force as a factor, and on June 6, the German Air Force had 300 sorties while the Allies had 13,000.
The day before Operation Overlord, the Allies painted invasion stripes on their airplanes under the cover of darkness. Due to the massive amount of aircraft, the paint scheme helped mitigate friendly fire.
Multiple kinds of aircraft participated in the invasion and each had specific roles. To name a few, the C-47s towed gliders or dropped paratroopers, B-17s, 24s, and 26s dropped bombs, P-47s acted as flying artillery, and P-38s flew cover over the ships.
After D-Day, the Allies used their air power to aid troops with strategic bombings like Operation Cobra, targeting German oil and V-2 centers, and providing medical aid.
Gene encourages anyone interested in aerospace to visit your local museum and get involved.
Miss America 2024, Madison Marsh, discusses the crossroads of pageantry and the military.
In this episode, Madi takes us through her groundbreaking journey as the first active-duty officer to earn the Miss America title. She shares insights into her pilot training, attending the United States Air Force Academy, cancer research, starting a non-profit, and how a military background has influenced her career. This one is going to be cool!
Key Takeaways:
Madi has always been fascinated by science and found her love of aerospace while attending space camp at 13 years old.
Madi earned her pilot's license at 17, the youngest possible age.
While attending the United States Air Force Academy, Madi studied astrophysics and interned at NASA and Harvard.
At the Academy, Madi started her pageantry journey, winning Miss Academy and Miss Colorado.
In January of 2024, Madi competed in and won Miss America, becoming the first active military officer to earn the title.
Madi started the Whitney Marsh Foundation after losing her Mom to pancreatic cancer. This organization helps provide education and funding for pancreatic cancer research.
Madi encourages listeners to learn from their failures and to use those lessons to succeed further.
The Making of Hypersonic Flight Testing - Miniseries Episode 4
21 Nov 2024
00:17:06
How the world's largest aircraft, Stratolaunch Roc, is paving the way for repeatable hypersonic testing.
Welcome to the final part of our bonus podcast miniseries on the making of Behind the Wings PBS Season 6!
In this episode, Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy LaTourrette discuss behind-the-scenes stories while filming with Stratolaunch at the Mojave Air and Space Port. Join us as we talk about the history of hypersonics, building the Stratolaunch Roc, the Talon-A test vehicle, the Hadley rocket engine, and flying this twin-fuselage aircraft. This one is going to be cool!
Check out the new season on PBS or our YouTube channel. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
Our regularly scheduled podcast series will return on 12/2/24 with guest Madison Marsh, the first active-duty Air Force Officer to be crowned Ms. America. Thanks for joining us!
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS Episode 1 - AI in Military Aviation: November 7, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 2 - Collaborative Combat Aircraft: November 7, 2024, 8:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 - The Super Guppy: November 14, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 - Hypersonic Flight Testing: November 14, 2024, 8:00 p.m. MT
Episode 1 - AI in Military Aviation: November 7, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 2 - Collaborative Combat Aircraft: November 14, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 3 - The Super Guppy: November 21, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 - Hypersonic Flight Testing: November 28, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT
The Making of The Super Guppy - Miniseries Episode 3
14 Nov 2024
00:13:08
How a seemingly impossible idea helped America win the space race.
Welcome to part 3 of our 4-part bonus podcast miniseries on the making of Behind the Wings PBS Season 6!
In this episode, Director Cray Novick and Host Tracy LaTourrette discuss behind-the-scenes stories while filming the legendary Super Guppy in El Paso, Texas. Join us as we talk about the space race, building the Super Guppy, the similarities this aircraft has with Frankenstein, and watching the odd airplane fly. This one is going to be cool!
Check out the new season on PBS or our YouTube channel. We can't wait to show you what we've been working on!
Full Season Premiere Schedule:
PBS Episode 1 - AI in Military Aviation: November 7, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 2 - Collaborative Combat Aircraft: November 7, 2024, 8:00 p.m. MT Episode 3 - The Super Guppy: November 14, 2024, 7:30 p.m. MT Episode 4 - Hypersonic Flight Testing: November 14, 2024, 8:00 p.m. MT