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In the season 1 finale, Kate decides she should have another season after over 6 years of not realizing she was still technically in season one of Be There in Five, then delves into her candid experience with motherhood she’s promised the main feed for the last year. Enjoy a follow-up from Childless Mill, some cheesy mom thoughts about cuteness aggression & having no chill, practical tips about L&D, surviving months 1-3, and feeling surprised by her social identity, among many other discussions inside the vast world of motherhood. Join her to debunk some of her prior misconceptions and confirm plenty of former doomsday perceptions, with heartfelt personal anecdotes aplenty. After this episode, Kate’s taking a hiatus until September, so if you want more bonus content & weekly BTIF episodes, go to patreon.com/bethereinfive. Join for a year for 10% off or join for a day, she’s not picky. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate discusses Evangelical influencers, from more extreme transitions, e.g. a fashion influencer who now offers deliverance from abortion demons (?), to the reality-star-to-preacher-pipeline of young women of faith that are talented public speakers like Duck Dynasty’s Sadie Robertson and The Bachelor’s Madi Prewett that now use their platforms as ministries. Kate also plays clips from other mid-sized influencers, masochistically watches a couple videos from Girl Defined, and talks a bit about her experience analyzing the persuasive tactics of Evangelical preachers. Specifically, how she draws parallels to motivational speakers and MLMs that all talk in the same way, who do things like verbally paint big metaphors from tiny anecdotes, engineer emotional buildups that culminate with guilt and a scream-crying call to action, and then manufacture feelings of hopefulness after purposefully tearing you down. All in the context of wanting people to be mindful of the people that influence an incredibly influential voting bloc that has taken away our bodily autonomy, White Evangelical Christians. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate takes on the topic of P.E. class and snorkels through the obscure political origins of the Presidential Physical Fitness exam, the trauma of locker rooms, public weigh-ins, wearing of never-washed mesh ‘pinnies,’ and the annual dangling of herself and her dignity from a pull-up bar, among other memorable elements of 90s/00s gym class culture that would likely not hold up today. She also talks about her tall girl complex and body image issues and wonders how metrics of athletic prowess influenced her sense of physical identity, then muses about how not being ‘talented and gifted’ likely had similar scholastic implications. Mostly she does things like complain about how traumatizing running the mile was for a good 10 minutes, but not before examining the weirdness of loose gym uniform shorts and the frequency of relying on a peer to hold your feet downwind. Part personal anecdote, part historical research, part crowdsourced, this is a lighthearted nostalgic ep that hopefully allows you to escape these trying times over the long weekend. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate discusses our obsession with scams and scam documentaries, and does a spin-off of the popular Tiktok prompt of "what's something that is a scam but we've normalized it so much we no longer realize it's a scam?" from her personal list of grievances, e.g. The American Dream, bridesmaid dresses, student loans, only married couples receiving benefits, among other things, and also goes through crowd-sourced submissions of things people think have big scam energy. She also details her disdain for True Crime as entertainment and explores why she prefers this category. However, she begins by discussing the Supreme Court overturning the landmark case of Roe v. Wade announced Friday, while she was away from equipment and had already recorded this week's episode (so forgive her, this section was done very last minute), but she uses the first half-hour to address perhaps the biggest scam of all: that people believe restricting access to abortion care is pro-life when it is unequivocally anti-women and stands to put countless lives at risk by forgoing human rights and medical best practice in favor the intervention of dangerous political and religious ideologies.

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This week, Kate meanders through the art of the K-12 field trip, sharing her own nostalgia along with crowdsourced funny, poignant, and shocking tales from listeners about their memorable field trips. From obscure locations to buddy system politics, museum gift shop culture, coach buses versus school buses, chaperone assignments, seeing your crush in the wild in street clothes, hookups mid-transit, to processing confusing feelings about historical war reenactments, this episode has something for everyone! She laughed, she cried, she questioned why the public school system wanted us to churn butter so badly. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate discusses the world of dating advice, both interpersonal and professional, from the books she read in her single days like Why Men Love Bitches, He’s Just Not That Into You, and other best-sellers like Act Like A Lady, Think Like A Man or The Rules. She also discusses the confusing nature of casual advice we give our peers and loved ones that can be grounded in anecdote despite being delivered as gospel, causing us to weigh the subjective input of others far too heavily on important matters that impact our personal lives. She also discusses how sociopolitical climates influence generational beliefs about relationships and marriage, and how those tropes and cliches taught to young people infiltrate current generations with irrelevant advice about gender roles that deserve a great deal of nuance and free will to be applied to your circumstances (e.g. why buy the cow). Then, since Kate went to California last minute to have a bday drink with her sister, she asks Kelly to chime in as they read listener-submitted examples of advice Beths said their well-intentioned loved ones incessant provide about dating that they find dismissive, condescending, cliche, and/or sexist as single women. This episode is not designed to give advice but to help us all be better friends by analyzing the nature of unproductive input. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate interviews Ashley Hamilton and Claire Parker from the hit podcast Celebrity Memoir Book Club to talk celeb memoirs, female friendships, past forays into podcasting, e.g. Britney Spears and Lohan’s Beach Club, best and worst traits of celeb books, ghost writers, and much more. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate is joined by her sister Kelly before they leave for vacation to talk about their own (and listener-submitted) personal & influencer travel pet peeves, preferences, vacation stories, thoughts on airport etiquette, and more! Enjoy :)

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This week, Kate answers listener voicemails spanning a variety of topics, including (but not limited to):

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-Schools implementing policies that force girls to say yes when asked to dance

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-Snorkel through worship music + some hot takes about religious trauma

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This week, Kate phones her friend Lucy (@lucyontheground) to talk about all things MET gala, Marilyn's dress, romantic comedies, Amber Heard & Johnny Depp's trial, RHOSLC, babymaking and naming, among other things. Hope it's an escape after a rough week. Skip the first 7 or so minutes if you're not in the mood for a rage intro. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate tries to respectfully deep dive Tinx’s (Tiktok @itsmetinx) meteoric rise, press, controversy, and content, while attempting to investigate her fans’ pursuit of holding her accountable to some former (and not so former) troubling tweets. She goes over her background, early quarantine content, recent changes, major press coverage, and fallout/apologies following the uncovered activity, then snorkels her Twitter and finds a fascinating level of whiplash with same-day likes and retweets of things in direct ideological opposition. Additionally, Kate shares some context/commentary from her POV as an influencer, and explores high level the implications of always shying away from/rejecting well-intentioned quests for creator clarifications as abstract "cancel culture" that aims to absolve anything of accountability. Enjoy!

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https://sophieross.substack.com/p/we-need-to-talk-about-tinxs-old-tweets

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This week, Kate’s chatting with co-author of the audiobook The Art of Small Talk (also actress, comedian, host of The Deep Dive podcast), Jessica St. Clair. Jessica shares her personal experience with the gift of gab and gives advice about the art of casual conversation, with topics ranging from how to be friendly with neighbors to stories about pleasant celeb run-ins. Overall, a joyful interaction that is essentially a celebration of the joys of everyday interactions. Enjoy! 

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This week while nursing a tailbone injury, Kate made a list of topics to take up with you this week for her own state of the union prior to the second hour where she covers Revolve Fest’s annual social media sorority recruitment video vibes of being both welcoming and also heavily implying there’s no way in hell you’ll get in amidst floral backdrops and fancy-free dispositions. Topics prior capture a great deal of range, from pounding clementines to Selling Sunset Season 5 to white cheddar popcorn to the Kardashians on Hulu to a marital dispute she’s amidst about turning lights off that led to Kate’s perilous fall. She also shares a life-changing tip that made her realize she’s been sleeping incorrectly on a pillow her entire life. She also does a review of some Kardashian, Bieber, & TS trademark activity then expresses concern about celeb skincare being the new licensed fragrance, except worse because it's promised by faces that have benefited from many more things than just topical skincare. After that, she discusses the vague lore surrounding Revolve events that exude exclusivity, her empathy for influencers that really wanted to make connections but got duped into a suspicious brand ambassador situation, and also covers the parallels drawn to Fyre Fest. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate interviews millennial magazine icon Atoosa Rubenstein, former editor-in-chief of CosmoGIRL! And Seventeen magazine in the early-mid 2000s, who has now entered back into the pop culture spotlight with her Substack Atoosa Unedited. Kate and Atoosa talk about her rise to being the youngest founder and editor-in-chief in Hearst history, her experience in the glam magazine world in the aughts, celeb encounters, "Devil Wears Prada" moments, the benefits and downfalls of her inexperience in a leadership role, and her ultimate exit from the spotlight as a result of insurmountable burnout. She also speaks very honestly about her experience with sexual assault in her childhood, the importance of magazines in helping her identify it, and the passion she had for instilling confidence and bodily autonomy in young girls, even in an era we now side-eye as not being the most forward-thinking or body confident (understatement). They also talk about Kate's burning questions re: the heavy-hitting topics, e.g. her experience being a judge on America's Next Top Model and if someone made up all the puns in Trauma-Rama. Enjoy! TW: SA

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This week, Kate reads e-mails listeners wrote in about their experiences learning puberty & sex ed. First, Kate snorkels through some of her early impressions of DOING IT from pop culture, reviews a brief history of sex ed in the US, and discusses some of the environmental nuances of the 90s and 00s that made abstinence-only education the status quo. Part-funny, part-cringe, part-heartbreaking, this episode showcases a wide spectrum of implications of not receiving comprehensive sex ed. TW: SA

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This week, Kate is joined by Kate Spencer and Doree Shafrir from the Forever35 podcast to discuss all things in the name of self-care from today and yesteryear. Kate starts out by reading some of the weird/random lies people submitted that they told as kids on Instagram, e.g. faking eye exams, injuries, and orthodontia for unknown reasons. Then the Kates and Doree discuss rom-com jobs, working in the 'mean girl' era of journalism (e.g. Gawker), beauty advice in teen mags, nostalgic drug store products, adolescent skincare, hanging at the mall as a third place, maintaining an identity as parents, and also reveal their holy grail and most overrated product picks. Enjoy!

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In this episode, Kate eats an edible, snorkels through a teen magazine, then answers a variety of listener voicemails about light and heavy topics affecting their lives. Enjoy!

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In this episode, Kate explores the parent wars she sees taking place about a cute, fictional movie on Facebook timelines (paired with the glorification of much more problematic fairy tales) and uses it as an opportunity to snorkel through many nostalgic topics involving her preteen rebellion, from cursing during hand-clapping games to high key Pagan sleepover rituals to boy band obsessions, grinding culture, and more. Kate also provides her take on the movie Turning Red, reads comments from pearl clutchers and celebrators alike, and talks through the implications of people insisting everything in this world be created in a way that represents their hyper-specific (often religiously affiliated) value system. At one point, Rachel Hollis is brought up, she can’t help herself. Kate also reminisces about her own “red panda” moments in childhood, then talks through some Disney themes people romanticize that are actually quite problematic, meandering through Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Pocahontas, etc. Then, she does a brief snorkel on a much-requested topic: Disney adults. Like Turning Red, this episode will not align with nor reflect everyone’s specific needs, so please take it with a grain of entertainment-based salt coming from a non-Disney diehard. Enjoy!

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https://nypost.com/2019/07/26/sorry-childless-millennials-going-to-disney-world-is-weird/

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2012/11/10/grimms_fairy_tales_20_things_you_didnt_know.html

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/beauty-and-the-beast-gaston-villain-real-life

https://time.com/5548379/pocahontas-real-meaning/

https://www.insider.com/moments-themes-in-disney-movies-that-havent-aged-well-problematic#the-native-americans-in-peter-pan-are-stereotypical-and-feature-cultural-appropriation-7

This week, Kate is joined by her sister Kelly for an escape from real life to talk reality tv and real estate. More specifically, they discuss Love is Blind on Netflix (skip minutes 45-1:00 ish to avoid spoilers) and then discuss their (and other crowd-sourced Beth’s) petty preferences for their needs in rentals/homes, following Kate’s TV mounting journey. No societal pressure nor water pressure is spared in this thinkpiece about feeling like we should be in a place where we can afford more than we can in a place we call home. Please take with a grain of salt. RomComs part 2 will be out next week once Kate moves and gets her studio is back in order!

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In stressful times, Kate seeks out romantic comedies, using the genre's poor grasp on reality to escape her own. So this week, we have a rom-com deep dive done on a whim, following a fateful viewing of the critically-unacclaimed film Something Borrowed. In this episode, Kate goes through some of her favorite films, trends, themes, and theories as it relates to the art of the so-bad-it's-good romantic comedy. She explains the boundaries of her questionable taste, then meanders through the high points from 1989-2003 before she runs out of time, and discusses favorite romcom tropes (e.g friends to lovers, supernatural occurrences, writes article/places bet), trends (e.g. phrases as movie titles, everything about weddings), actor/actress combos & swaps, sound bites, grand gestures, etc. At one point there’s a snorkel about Kate’s hot takes on Judd Apatow movies and her dependency on Paul Rudd’s soothing demeanor. Later on, Kate walks through a spreadsheet she created in chronological order to make sure she doesn’t miss any highlights, but she only makes it to 2003, so, see you next week? She will post a spreadsheet link here once it’s done for a list you can refer to and/or check on the @bethereinfive @bethereinfivepodcast account for a link. Enjoy!

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A joint episode containing an abridged part 2 of “Fitch, Please” (A&F Deep Dive) as well as listener stories about mall modeling & scams masquerading as magazine classified “modeling schools.” The episode begins with Kate’s windy thoughts about her obsession with malls, magazine editors, models, and related media, and while she draws almost no helpful conclusions, she has plenty of thoughts. This episode also contains snorkels aplenty in between stories about A&F and modeling, from 90s commercial jingles, to Barbies, Kate’s own issues with body image, orange juice conspiracies, and more! There may be a Babysitter’s Club detour? Perhaps not a ‘model’ episode, but a fun one nonetheless. Enjoy! And head to patreon.com/bethereinfive later this week for the cut footage and extra stories.

Works Cited:

https://www.businessinsider.com/abercrombie-and-fitch-is-back-how-af-became-cool-again-2021-4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/abercrombie-fitch-new-generation/2021/11/22/da33feec-488e-11ec-b05d-3cb9d96eb495_story.html

https://www.thecut.com/2014/02/why-abercrombie-is-losing-its-shirt.html

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A shorter interstitial episode Kate recorded from Dallas this morning while being bored with Super Bowl LVI coverage. This is a more vulnerable episode to share some personal updates as well as an announcement she shared at the last Track 5. She discusses her living situation, an update to The Losses We Share nearing a due date, reads some of the material that was exclusive to Track 5 events, and provides context for its now-significance. The regularly scheduled episode will follow, so if you don't want to hear personal stuff, skip this one!

Ep 200

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This week, Kate interviews podcast listener and NFL WAG Haley Pepper, who shares her experiences with a lot of BTI5 adjacent topics, like pageants, Bama sororities, and being in a relationship with a professional athlete. She discusses the misconceptions and realities of this lifestyle, including the lack of job security, the high expenses, and the pressure of constantly moving and adapting, along with the challenges of motherhood. Enjoy!

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Everything’s bigger in Texas, including Kate’s problems!! First, there’s an intro detailing the chaotic series of events that happened this week while stuck in Texas, e.g. having to cancel a show for the first time, a cryptic doctor’s voicemail, a hotel scam, and a confusing housing situation, among other things. Following that, podcast regular Merritt Beck joins Kate (as both her host for the week and a guest for the pod) to have a casual conversation whilst pregaming an icy walk to a bar to mourn the delay of Track 5. They discuss things like influencers leaving Instagram for the algorithm, putting kids on the internet, the magic of “getting ready” in college, DARE, Instagram husbands, home decor styles, dating as an influencer, among other things. Part 2 of A&F (and mall models/Barbizon!) coming next week but Kate hopes this will be sufficient for now given the unforeseen circumstances. Enjoy!

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In this deep dive, Kate examines the history, controversy, nostalgia, turnaround, inappropriate t-shirts, catalogs, and employee policies of iconic retailer Abercrombie & Fitch through the lens of the comeback it's making now. Part-research, part-personal anecdote, part-crowdsourced, this analysis takes both a serious and lighthearted approach to analyzing the influence of a brand that is both nostalgic and historically problematic. Enjoy!

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WORKS CITED

https://fusion.tv/story/32813/a-decade-of-tastelessness-finally-grounds-abercrombie-fitch-into-irrelevance/amp/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210326015634/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-jun-29-cl-16389-story.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2001/03/05/feeling-minnesota

https://www.businessinsider.com/abercrombie-fitch-crazy-history-2011-4#the-retailer-hit-some-road-bumps-along-the-way-3

https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-clothing-brand-abercrombie-and-fitch

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2001/09/10/a-brand-to-fit-all-ages/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1938914.stmv

https://www.complex.com/style/2013/05/controversy-fitch-a-history-of-abercrombies-most-flagrant-fuck-ups/girlcott

https://www.glamour.com/story/abercombie-to-ditch-sexualized

https://www.randyhortoncreative.com/abercrombie

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-may-23-na-thong23-story.html

https://money.cnn.com/2003/12/02/news/companies/abercrombie_catalog/index.htm

https://echoapollo.com/companies/134?form_type=10-K

https://web.archive.org/web/20100331165338/https://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/06/business/the-media-business-advertising-abercrombie-fitch-extends-a-print-campaign-to-tv.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/03/business/media-business-advertising-come-hither-abercrombie-fitch-invites-other.html

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/news/a5981/abercrombie-douchey-tshirts/

https://www.naacpldf.org/case-issue/abercrombie-fitch-employment-discrimination/

Katelilah is a quarterly tribute to radio icon Delilah where Kate answers listener voicemails spanning a variety of topics. This week, Kate tackles:

How do I deal with a passive-aggressive mother-in-law?FMK: mozzarella, parmesan, cheddar What about the US/American psyche makes MLMs thrive here relative to other countries?What TS adjacent music is perfect for walking down the aisle? (Links below)What is Kate’s marriage advice for a newlywed couple?What are the cliche phrases Kate can’t stand? How does she feel about “we live on a floating rock” “it could be worse” whataboutisms?How does Kate feel about how people police women’s speech in the name of feminism?How to impress new significant other’s parents upon first trip home? What do you bring buy make do say?A segue leading to mall modeling cultureAnd more!

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This week, Kate is joined by an old friend and former colleague Charlene Polite Corley (who is now more importantly VP of Diverse Insights & Partnerships at Nielsen) to talk about a variety of topics in the realm of marketing careers, market research data, and the importance of representation in media. They talk through their early days in the big city, discuss data quality in a splintered media landscape, bounce around through topics like media literacy and data privacy, and eventually walk through Charlene's specific role in providing insights that help inform and hold the media industry accountable for their diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts. Charlene shares the importance of developing research that focuses on the needs and values of historically excluded groups and they talk through how data can be responsibly used to improve the quantity and quality of content that tells the stories of diverse communities in both advertising and entertainment. Enjoy!

Works Cited:

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/report/2021/being-seen-on-screen/

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/article/2020/a-cultural-turning-point-breaking-our-silence-on-racial-injustice/

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/article/2021/understanding-the-importance-of-tv-among-black-families/

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This episode is for lovers of 2021’s episode “Pussycat Dull,” when Kate read listener stories about nostalgic and embarrassing attempts to make romantic interests jealous in our youth. This week, Kate similarly crowdsourced stories about doing this in a religious context, asking listeners for their funny stories about weird things they did in the name of love who were part of youth groups, retreats, camps, and/or trips that hyperfocused on young women finding and/or praying for their future husband at the ripe age of 15. From strategic pew alignment to get some “peace be with you” sugar, to tales of a rendezvous behind the ropes course, these stories certainly do not disappoint. To quote Jock Jams, lllllllet’s get ready to stumble! Enjoy.

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Musings about DCOMs, recent events, wearing your metaphorical seatbelt, the mystery of literal seatbelt purses, Kate's educational plastic surgery consultation gone awry, things that haven't changed all that much from when she was 21 and now in 2021, a lot of random interjected thoughts about famed scripture-forward bags of Forever 21, and some closing thoughts for the year that are less of a bid for better days, and more of a plea to be better to yourself in 2022. She apologizes if this episode isn't holly jolly enough; listen at your own risk. Love you happiest holidays!

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This week, Kate is joined by podcaster, writer, producer (and fellow influencer culture enthusiast) Caroline Moss (from Gee Thanks, Just Bought It) to discuss literally everything and nothing about conspicuous consumption. They do a lighthearted snorkel through many topics, such as 2010s fashions, the Dyson airwrap, the elusive cowl neck, going out tops, Michael Kors watches, bloggers pretending they shop at Wal-Mart, DSLR phases, early Bachelor influencers, sponcon pet peeves, and what they think wear now that they’ll laugh at later. They also reminisce about the utter chaos of NYC’s “Fashion’s Night Out,” where thirsty pashmina-wearing transplants from the suburbs (like Kate & Caroline) went celeb spotting for the sake of the *economy* in the BIG APPLE. Eventually, they review (and lightly roast) some men’s gift guides and 2011 women’s gift guides that remind them of simpler (and more lacquered) times, which delightfully sends them on a detour through some charming copy from a favorite alliterative blog of yesteryear. Lastly, they quickly discuss some products influencers promote that are not overrated, according to Caroline. Enjoy!

Works Cited: https://www.thecut.com/2019/09/remembering-fashions-night-out-2009-10-years-later.html

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This week, Kate does a classic stream of consciousness style episode, exploring a variety of topics, from existential mopiness c/o the Garden State soundtrack to contemplating the concept of where “home” is as an adult, in addition to lighter fare such as her investment in two Tiktok stars’ relationship and an alarming parasocial relationship with her fav twins, Scout & Violet. She also discusses the Sex & The City reboot “And Just Like That,” as well as Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, the Dyson Airwrap, advent calendar Tok, and some personal thoughts about entering into the next phase of potential child-rearing. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate is joined by licensed therapist Amanda White (@therapyforwomen) to discuss the proliferation of mental health content (and digital diagnoses) on Tiktok and Instagram. In the past year or so, there's been an uptick of quippy, short-form videos that deliver information about serious mental health topics (that would require a lot of individualized therapy to formally diagnose) and they are often oversimplified in a clickbait format on social media, creating a spectrum of helpful to harmful. They talk about how sharing this information can be incredible in its ability to spark a conversation, encourage people to pursue mental healthcare, and help people feel less alone by finding community in a diagnosis. On the flip side, this content can needlessly label common behaviors as being a problem and over-attribute them to broader issues that need fixing or can leave people with an oversimplified diagnosis without any resolve or ongoing treatment. Beyond that, these videos often undermine the great deal of education/training needed to adequately diagnose conditions in a highly subjective field. This isn't about hot takes; this is a conversation about exploring nuance within a complicated topic, and Amanda helps Kate identify what is helpful vs. harmful (and when it depends!) to better navigate her own headspace as she scrolls in the deep. Enjoy!

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Part 2 of Kate's Red (Taylor's Version) Review, covering mostly All Too Well (10 minute version) and the related short film. Also snorkels Nothing New and shares overarching thoughts about the new lyrics, the Jake G of it all, the scarf as a metaphor, and more!

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This week, Kate is joined by NYT bestselling romance author Carley Fortune (Meet Me at the Lake, Every Summer After) to discuss her latest book, dropping on May 7th, This Summer Will Be Different. They discuss Carley’s former "RomCom job" as an editor at Refinery29 Canada and her pivot to becoming a romance writer, the importance of strong female friendships and real experiences represented in literature, and why Prince Edward Island may be the next hot vacation spot. They also touch on literary tropes, Carley’s journey of writing through early motherhood, and how her own life has shaped her storytelling. Then, Kate can't help but fangirl that Meet Me at the Lake has been optioned by Archewell Productions, so she asks if she's met Meg, among other things. No spoilers - Enjoy!

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In anticipation of Red (TV), Kate reminisces briefly through the Red album and provides her (accidentally 40 minute) All Too Well dissertation (in a pre-Red TV world), reminiscing on what the song meant to her then and now. Then, Kate airs an episode she recorded with Kelly (her sister) in San Diego amidst a coyote scare. They discuss 90s TV like TGIF, SNICK, Hey Dude, Are You Afraid of the Dark, etc., then venture into casual questions like “how to avoid existential dread?” Then Kelly gives a life update in San Diego and shares her version of a once-in-a-lifetime Taylor Swift event (going to a Braves World Series game). They discuss the joy of doing things alone, the transplant dilemma of feeling out of sorts in a new place, the issue of never being satisfied in life or career, do you say “active” or “sometimes” about the gym on dating profiles, they trade for you pages, talk about van life, do a brief rif off, the list goes on. Enjoy!

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The "Beth: A Week in the Life" series is a format where Kate records for 15-20 mins per day in a given week to discuss what she cares about in that moment, attempting to capture small pockets of her interests that get lost in the fast news cycle.

This episode covers a variety of topics, such as:

-Irrational childhood fears as developed by The Face on The Milk Carton

-Another unforeseen snorkel into the Cosmos, astrology, the book of Genesis, and the origin of time, feat. the ancient world's hottest literary device: antimetaboles!

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-The Christian persecution complex Kate learned about via DC Talk's bible study about martyrdom

-A "Sharenting" snorkel about Mormon family bloggers exploiting their kids' embarrassing moments in puberty for clicks

-A brief chat about Fundie vloggers

-Some closing thoughts about conversations Kate had in Utah about faith journeys

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WORKS CITED

https://www.newsweek.com/youtube-lets-lawless-lucrative-sharenting-industry-put-kids-mercy-internet-1635112

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/instagram-facebook-and-the-perils-of-sharenting

Part 2 of the American Girl Deep Dive. Kate reads submitted stories and anecdotes that are hilarious and heartbreaking and everything in between about BTI5 listener's experiences with this iconic American brand and its subsidiary ventures like "The Care and Keeping of You." Following a brief snorkel about LL Bean catalogs, she can't help herself. Enjoy!

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An American Girl deep dive: Part 1. Allow Kate to provide you some pleasant company while she discusses the iconic and historical dolls she grew up worshipping from the Pleasant Company. From catalog culture to Kirsten's actual log culture, Kate discusses her magical experience as a child, her criticisms as an adult, the brand's history, gives her shallow hot takes on the dolls' sartorial and interior choices, and then reads from listener-submitted stories about their memories involving American Girl dolls.

WORKS CITED:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1997-03-18-1997077037-story.html

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/g2708/facts-about-american-girl-dolls/

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/05/28/addy-walker-american-girl/

https://hellogiggles.com/lifestyle/nostalgia/complicated-love-addy-walker-black-american-girl-doll/

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This week, Kate is answering listener voicemails spanning a variety of topics, including (but not limited to): decoding John Mulaney's relationship timeline via Anna Marie Tendler's art history-forward Instagram, more 'one-hit mumbler' tunes, what if Taylor Swift started an MLM, Kate answering if she's a doomsday prepper, a guide for how to main character, a gripe about bloggers' white towels, a personal update from Kate post-miscarriage, a brief snorkel into Paul Revere's ride, Kate's 'serial killer tendencies,' among other things. Enjoy!

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A deep DIYve. In this episode, Kate explores DIY blogging through the lens of LDS influencers that promote power tools as a tool for women’s empowerment. Kate meanders through her history with home decor shows, discusses how she came to find this renovated girl boss messaging, then walks through the who/what/when/why of how some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints got heavily involved with blogging, and more specifically (per listener emails from church members) how DIY blogging is a clear extension of LDS members' religious-cultural values. Then, Kate discusses how there are distinctions in monetization methods that DIY bloggers often pursue. Some can be harmless/helpful, some often subtly promote a pyramid scheme, and some could be potentially dangerous in the pursuit of profit for their ‘non-expert’ construction tutorials that often circumvent input from professionals. Enjoy!

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WORKS CITED

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/30/6-facts-about-u-s-mormons/

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/the-latter-day-saint-woman-basic-manual-for-women-part-a/women-in-the-church/lesson-13-women-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2008/07/sharing-the-gospel-using-the-internet?lang=eng

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/2010/12/news-of-the-church/church-members-share-the-gospel-online?lang=eng

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This week, Kate sits down and chats with Amanda Montell, author of Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism to discuss the LuLaRoe documentary from a culty and linguistic angle. They discuss a variety of topics surrounding the language and communication styles of Mark & DeAnn and how they were effective in coercing thousands of women to join their self-serving organization that had all the trappings of cult. They talk through some of Kate's cult-related questions, e.g. how did Mark & DeAnn have so much power over people? What distinguishes something well-meaning from something manipulative? What is the fine line between groups with shared interests and groups that become exclusive, coercive and restrictive? How can we be more discerning so we don't fall down a buttery slope? All that and more on part 2 of the LuLaRich deep dive! Enjoy!

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This is part 1 of a 2-part deep dive about the Amazon Prime documentary LuLaRich, a series chronicling the rise and fall of the infamously moldy, egregiously unattractive, paper thin short-lived leggings empire, LuLaRoe. After learning this company is holy in more ways than one, Kate dives into a couple different angles she wanted to elaborate on following watching the documentary, the first being the relationship to her prior series about the "venn diagram" of exploitative sales pitches and how this relates to other predatory practices of self-help/cults/religions/etc. Beyond that, Kate digs a bit more into DeAnne's background, patriarchal influences, estranged sister, and then moves on to try and figure out what was the actual best case earning potential of this “once in a lifetime opportunity.” After that, she uncharacteristically proceeds to do a lot of mental math and walks you through her discoveries as it relates to what she found out that could’ve really gone down with their inventory's demise after going through some of the paperwork related to their cargo shipments. A little heavy, a little light, every Kendall at the Met Gala needs their Kim shadow. Part 2 coming Thursday with Amanda Montell (author of Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism), which will be a more specific discussion about how to spot culty tendencies and avoid getting ourselves involved in a situation that could turn into a slippery, nay, buttery, slope

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WORKS CITED

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-millennial-women-entrepreneurship-lawsuits

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/16/jana-riess-lularoe-shadow/

https://annehelen.substack.com/p/what-got-left-out-of-lularich

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/4/30/18524356/lularoe-sellers-bankruptcy-mlm

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-lawsuit

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/feminist-movement-20th-century-feminist-legal-battles

https://thesnappingpoint.com/why-are-lularoe-leggings-so-damn-ugly/

https://www.truthinadvertising.org/lularoe-wants-silence-critics/

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This week starts with Kate sharing an update about how her birthday surprise turned out along with the weird coincidences and special moments that made her hopeful she’s headed for Better Days. Relevant to the surprise, the first hour or so is a nostalgic snorkel covering carnivals, concerts, and 90s mumbly pop rock (feat. an intense argument for why the Goo Goo Dolls are the greatest), followed by an interview in the second hour with 3 very esteemed guests, Kate’s husband’s sisters Rachel, Claire, and Ally. Kate and her sisters-in-law cover a variety of pop culture topics, mostly about late 90s/early 2000s emo, punk, and pop alt rock artists and their ability to be considered "cool" or not, featuring a conversation surrounding perennial pop cultural punching bag: Nickelback. A funny and lighthearted episode all around featuring a random pocket of popular culture. Note: The second half of this episode was originally posted to Patreon as a bonus, but the first half is brand new! Enjoy.

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This week, Kate crowdsources stories about attempting to, getting away with, or getting caught consuming age-inappropriate content as a kid and reads brave and inspiring stories from pop culture champions who fought for lyrics that weren’t clean and movies only suitable for ages over thirteen. From tales from the locked-and-loaded thumbs on the ‘back’ button of the remote control to the trials of the photocopiers and/or printers of the lyrics to “What’s Your Fantasy,” to the tribulations of those who fantasized about being “rubbed the right way” in their Genie in a Bottle era, this episode has something for everybody. If you have a story to share, email podcast@bethereinfive.com with the episode title in the subject line. Enjoy!

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Kate's got 9/9 problems and her birthday is one. Today is her bday and she decided to spend the workday with you meandering through some birthday-related thoughts, musings, and memories. From the heavier topics, e.g. the pressures we put on ourselves to be at a certain place in life, coping with the birthday blues, managing your own expectations, and why other people's parties look so fun to lighter fare, such as the good/better/best of childhood bday party gift giving and reading from crowdsourced stories that she collected last minute. She got WAY more responses than anticipated then ran out of time, so expect a second part bonus where she dives into listeners' longer form stories. All in all, she hopes we can relate to one another, realize it's ok to feel two ways about a birthday, and to go a little easier on ourselves, as the passage of time marked by these milestones can often make you feel us odds with what's far more important; you deserve being celebrated. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate experiments with the snorkel format by recording daily minisodes and threading them together (as opposed to a stream of consciousness in one sitting) to create a week in the life. She feels like she gets really into things but forgets about them near immediately, and this format is attempting to capture what she’s thinking about on a daily basis and what pop culture/tv/tiktoks she’s paying attention to in passing.

In this episode, Kate takes on:

-The Texas 6-week abortion ban (skip to minute 15 to get to lighter stuff, not comprehensive but an angle to consider for talking to people that think they can't be impacted)

-Her personal war on pantries filled with dry goods outside of their original containers for aesthetically pleasing food storage organization porn

-A needlessly intense review of Ted Lasso

-Manifesting babes linking their menstrual cycle to the moon??

-Light venting about a lack of preparedness in OOTD videos

-A low effort investigation into who invented the days of the week

-What if biblical characters had housewives taglines?

-Her concern for college students becoming influencers when we don’t know the long term implications of building a career without a traditional skillset or education for passing fame

-Donda/Kim & Kanye’s symbolic marriage

-Real Housewives of Beverly Hills/Did Erika Jayne know?

-Kate's dream of naming OPI nail polishes or eyeshadow palettes

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This week, Kate is joined by Cathy Peshek (@poorlittleitgirl) to deep dive the Twilight Saga. Twilight has experienced somewhat of an internet renaissance ever since all 5 movies arrived on Netflix in July. Unsurprisingly, these ageless vampires did not exactly age well, so Kate and Cathy both celebrate and lament elements of the books/movies; from loving them for what they were to understanding the more troubling themes that seem so obvious now. They discuss the standout themes from each movie, why Bella served as a vessel for the emotionally fragile, discuss pet peeves/plot holes, delve into crowdsourced questions from Instagram, and all-in-all, just thoroughly enjoy taking a supermassive black hole of a deep dive into this iconic moment in pop culture. Enjoy!

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