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| EP2: Quieting the Grading Noise | 23 Sep 2024 | 00:44:49 | |
In this episode of Assess THAT, Tom and Nat discuss how educators can quiet the grading noise. Whether it be the traditional graders on one side or the undgraders on the other, many educators can find themselves feeling uncertain about how to respond.
While the extreme positions often take center stage, especially online, it is the balanced positions that are more thoughtful, grounded, and helpful for those trying to navigate grading reform.
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| EP1: Five Reasons we're still "doing" Assessment | 09 Sep 2024 | 00:33:30 | |
In this first episode of Assess THAT, Tom & Nat discuss the five reasons assessment must still be an essential part of every educator's professional learning plan.
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| Why Not Me? | Jon Orr | Implementation Errors | 09 Oct 2023 | 00:56:29 | |
In the Mindset Minute (1:58), Tom shares the mantra "Why not me?" as one way of trying to combat imposter syndrome. Then (5:50) Tom is joined by Math expert and podcast host Jon Orr to discuss the state of the Math Wars and all things mathematics. Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:35), Tom discusses why it's important for us to distinguish between the non-negotiables of change and implementation errors.
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| Allow the Negative | Alex Kajitani | Assessment Dilemma | 25 Sep 2023 | 00:58:55 | |
In the Mindset Minute (1:53), Tom shares his thoughts on why we must allow our negative thoughts to flow through us. Then (6:18) Tom is joined by author, speaker, and trapping Mathematician Alex Kajitani to discuss his latest book, "Owning It: Proven Strategies to Ace and Embrace Teaching. Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:20), Tom discusses a common assessment dilemma.
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| Act Toward | Discipline as Noun | Judge Holistically | 11 Sep 2023 | 00:27:10 | |
Mindset Minute (2:11) focuses on why we need to "act toward" what we want. Then (5:35), Tom describes how his view of school discipline evolved to one where "discipline" is something we help students become, not what we do to them. Finally, in Assessment Corner (17:47), Tom suggests that when we assess for the summative purpose, we need to judge holistically.
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| Act as If | Relationships through Learning | Levels to % | 28 Aug 2023 | 00:27:59 | |
Mindset Minute (2:23) focuses on the concept of "act as if" where we create present emotions that match how we want to feel when what we want manifests. Then (7:24), Tom asserts that building relationships with students comes through their learning, not before. Finally, in Assessment Corner (17:44), Tom answers a listener's question about converting proficiency levels to percentage-based grades.
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| Spot Upfront | Cale Birk | Know Your Purpose | 07 Aug 2023 | 00:53:27 | |
In the Mindset Minute (2:13), Tom shares a mantra that he's used to create a mindset that everything always works out for him. Then (6:06) Tom is joined by author, speaker, and friend Cale Birk to talk about why leaders need to plan for impact, not just change. Finally, in Assessment Corner (44:01), Tom reminds listeners about the importance of knowing your assessment purpose in advance of any assessment.
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| Biology of Belief | Nikta Afonso | Time to Pushback | 24 Jul 2023 | 00:55:21 | |
In the Mindset Minute (2:36) Tom highlights the book, “The Biology of Belief” by Dr. Bruce Lipton. It is one of the most influential books in terms of Tom’s mindset and outlook on life. Then (8:36) Tom is joined by singer, songwriter, and former student Nikita Afonso to talk about her growing music career. Finally, in Assessment Corner (44:51), Tom asserts that it’s time to ask those who resist assessment and grading reform to substantiate their resistance with research, not just their opinion.
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| Mindset Minute | Julie Schmidt Hasson | Now is the Time | 10 Jul 2023 | 00:50:18 | |
In the Mindset Minute (2:22) - a new segment - Tom asserts that the power of positive thinking is as much about the present as it is about the future. Then (6:35) Tom is joined by educator and author Julie Schmidt Hasson to discuss her latest offering, "Pause, Ponder, and Persist in the Classroom: How Teachers Turn Challenges into Opportunities for Impact." Finally, in Assessment Corner (44:48), Tom makes the case for why now - the summer - is the perfect time to build your assessment literacy.
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| BONUS: New BC Reporting Order | 07 Jun 2023 | 00:52:19 | |
In this bonus episode, Tom offers his perspective on the New Reporting Order in British Columbia set to be implemented in the 2023-24 school year. In PART 1, Tom highlights the backstory and development (and poor messaging) surrounding the implementation of the new curriculum when it was first developed several years ago. In PART 2 (15:15), Tom takes aim at the obsession some have with percentage-based grading and why it is an unreliable, inaccurate, and incomplete way of assessing. In PART 3 (35:04), Tom offers his critiques of the new reporting order, specifically at the assertion made in documents to families from the BC Ministry of Education that "Proficient is the goal for your child" and that "Extending is not the goal for all students in every area of learning."
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| Reset on Failure | Dylan Wiliam (Pt. 2) | Fake Grading War | 22 May 2023 | 01:10:32 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:31), Tom opens with an assertion that it's time for a collective societal reset on what it means to fail. Then (12:24) Tom is once again joined by Dylan Wiliam for part 2 of a conversation about classroom assessment. Finally, in Assessment Corner (59:04), Tom provides some commentary on the Fake Grading War created by by Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction, Tom Horne.
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| Exceptions Prove the Rule | Dylan Wiliam | Cumulative Effect | 08 May 2023 | 00:59:51 | |
In Don’t @ Me (3:56), Tom opens by explaining why the exceptions prove the rule rather than discredit it. Then (10:57) Tom is joined by Dylan Wiliam for part 1 (of 2) of a conversation about classroom assessment. Finally, in Assessment Corner (50:12), Tom provides a year-end reminder that grades should reflect the cumulative effect of instruction, not the points they've accumulated over time.
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| TRAILER - Introducing Assess THAT with Tom & Nat (Assessment, Grading, | 02 Sep 2024 | 00:06:30 | |
Introducing Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso will be your go-to podcast for everything assessment. From formative assessment to feedback to grading, Tom and Natalie will share their expertise and experience to help you grow your assessment literacy to bring about a transformation within your classroom, your school, or even your district.
Beginning on September 9, Tom and Natalie will bring you bi-weekly episodes that drill down to what the research says, what it doesn't say, and how to put theory into practice.
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| Can vs Should | Shaunak Roy | Redefining Student Accountability (2) | 24 Apr 2023 | 00:52:55 | |
In Don’t @ Me (1:45), Tom opens by contrasting the difference between what we can do and what we should do in education, especially with ChatGPT. Then (8:43) Tom is joined by Shaunak Roy, founder of Yellowdig, a community-driven active and experiential learning platform. Finally, in Assessment Corner (45:24), in part 2 of 2, Tom shares more details about his latest book, "Redefining Student Accountability: A Proactive Approach to Teaching Behavior Outside the Gradebook."
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| Less is More | Eric Sheninger | Redefining Student Accountability | 10 Apr 2023 | 00:57:39 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:11), Tom opens by reminding listeners that when it comes to making an argument in favour of something, or when you are trying to convince others to change to a more favourable practice, less is more! Then (9:47) Tom is joined by author Eric Sheninger to discuss his 2021 book, "Disruptive Thinking: Preparing Learners for Their Future." Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:11), Tom, in part 1 of 2, shares details about his latest book, "Redefining Student Accountability: A Proactive Approach to Teaching Behavior Outside the Gradebook."
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| Thank you! | Ron Ritchhart | Idea Cults in Assessment | 27 Mar 2023 | 01:07:26 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:19), Tom celebrates episode 100 with a thank you to listeners. Then (7:50) Tom is joined by researcher and author Dr. Ron Ritchhart to discuss how we develop cultures of thinking in our classrooms. Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:06), Tom cautions listeners against idea cults that can emerge in discussions about assessment and grading that lack nuance and context.
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| ChatGPT in Education | Jessica Vance | ChatGPT & Assessment | 13 Mar 2023 | 00:51:02 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:17), Tom discusses the pros & cons of ChatGPT in K-12 education. Then (8:23) Tom is joined by author Jessica Vance to discuss her book, "Leading with a Lens of Inquiry." Finally, in Assessment Corner (43:16), Tom highlights ten ways ChatGPT can be used for classroom assessment.
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| Last Thing You Said | Shelley Moore | Portfolios | 27 Feb 2023 | 01:07:34 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:37), Tom asked listeners to consider the question, "what's the last thing you said to yourself about yourself?" Then (10:11) Tom is joined by author and speaker, Shelley Moore to discuss the important aspects of equity, inclusion, & UDL. Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:47), Tom highlights why knowing its purpose is the most important part of implementing a portfolio system.
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| Impact Update | Rob Dunlop | Overrater Explains | 13 Feb 2023 | 01:03:25 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:31), Tom provides an "impact" update, an update on how his #OneWord challenge is going so far. Then (9:20) Tom is joined by author Rob Dunlop to discuss his latest book, "Strive for Happiness in Education." Finally, in Assessment Corner (56:38), Tom provides a mantra to follow when there is a discrepancy between the student's self-assessment and the teacher's assessment.
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| Cost of NOT Changing | Tim Stephenson | Next Generation Assessment | 30 Jan 2023 | 01:05:56 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:56), Tom discusses why, when considering any change, it's important to consider the cost of NOT changing as well. Then (8:53) Tom is joined by science teacher and podcast host Tim Stephenson to discuss the essential characteristics of teaching science in the 21st century. Finally, in Assessment Corner (55:11), Tom highlights the key aspects of Next Generation Assessments.
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| One Word Failure | Jan Chappuis | Anything but Arbitrary | 16 Jan 2023 | 01:02:01 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:46), Tom discusses how his One Word for 2022 was an epic failure and how he's going to give itone more shot. Then (7:35) Tom is joined by mentor, author, and consultant Jan Chappuis to discuss the evolution of assessment for learning over the past 20 years. Finally, in Assessment Corner (52:52), Tom highlights why grades should be anything but arbitrary.
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| BONUS: Teach Better ’22 (Part 2) | 29 Dec 2022 | 00:50:33 | |
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| No Holiday Trophy | Top 5 Holiday Movies | Empowerment Ecosystem | 12 Dec 2022 | 00:42:33 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:32), Tom reminds listeners that there is no trophy at the end of the holidays and that it is important to find time for ourselves and rest. Then (6:40) Tom, highlights his Top 5 Holiday Movies of all time. Finally, in Assessment Corner (20:02), Tom is joined by Natalie Vardabasso and Colleen Dawson to highlight the "Empowerment Ecosystem," a program Natalie created to create a support community for those change agents leading assessment and grading reform in their schools or districts.
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| [TSP Classic] John Hattie (October 2022) | 14 Aug 2024 | 01:19:11 | |
OCTOBER 2022: Tom was joined by Dr. John Hattie for a conversation about his Visible Learning research.
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| Celebrate Your Wins | Kristine Tesoriero Mizzone | Culturally Responsive Assessment | 05 Dec 2022 | 01:09:30 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:44), Tom reminds listeners to celebrate their wins, no matter how small, medium, or large. Then, Tom is joined by education consultant Kristine Tesoriero Mizzone (8:40) to discuss the most important aspects of institutional coaching. Finally, in Assessment Corner (55:12), Tom highlights some big ideas from an article he recently wrote about eliminating implicit bias in assessment. Specifically, he talks about using cultural archetypes to create a more culturally responsive and expansive approach to assessment.
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| Now is the Time | Kyle Pearce | Procedure for Inferences | 28 Nov 2022 | 01:05:26 | |
In Don’t @ Me (1:34), Tom opens by asserting that NOW is the time to take the first step to accomplish any personal and/or professional goals you have for yourself. Then, Tom is joined by math teacher and podcaster Kyle Pearce (6:37), to discuss the elements of effective math instruction. Finally, in Assessment Corner (55:12), Tom shares a view of assessment as a procedure for drawing inferences.
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| Get What You Give | Genein Letford | Personalized Exams | 21 Nov 2022 | 00:53:43 | |
In Don’t @ Me (1:30), Tom opens with a reminder that when it comes to professional learning, you get out of it what you put into it. Then, Tom is joined by Genein Letford (9:01), to discuss her book, Seven Gems of Intercultural Creativity. Finally, in Assessment Corner (44:44), Tom shares an idea on how to personalize final exams.
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| Two Choices | Eric Saibel | Rethinking Group Grades | 14 Nov 2022 | 01:08:08 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:11), Tom opens by addressing the widespread lack of student engagement and suggesting there are only two choices educators have in response. Then, Tom is joined by Eric Saibel (11:22), who is a co-founder of "Global School Play Day, for a conversation about the importance of unstructured play for children and teens. Finally, in Assessment Corner (58:11), Tom highlights why he is rethinking his long-held stance against group grades.
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| Relationship with Research | Laura Rizo | Standardized Test Engagement | 07 Nov 2022 | 01:03:18 | |
In Don’t @ Me (1:50), Tom opens by asking listeners to reflect on their relationship with educational research. Then, Tom is joined by teen coach and staff developer Laura Rizo (10:55) for a conversation about student relationships, SEL, & family engagement. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:23), Tom answers a listener's question about how to increase student engagement in standardized testing.
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| BONUS: Teach Better ’22 (Part 1) | 03 Nov 2022 | 00:46:08 | |
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| Respectful Engagement | Dave Schmittou | AP Exam Format | 31 Oct 2022 | 00:59:17 | |
In Don’t @ Me (1:50), Tom opens by contemplating the rules of "respectful" engagement when debating contentious issues. Then, Tom is joined by education author & speaker Dave Schmittou (8:55) for a conversation about his new book (co-authored with Katelyn Giordano) entitled, "Poking the Bear: A guide for engaging in the conversations that matter most." Finally, in Assessment Corner (54:52), Tom answers a listener's question about whether it is wise to purposefully utilize the AP Exam format in AP classroom assessment.
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| Dear Society | Dawn Harris | Reassessing ’Big Rocks’ | 24 Oct 2022 | 01:06:39 | |
In Don’t @ Me (1:22), Tom opens with a Letter to Society regarding why so many teachers are leaving the profession. Then, Tom is joined by education author & teacher Dawn Harris (16:43) for a conversation about her book, "Plan like a PIRATE." Finally, in Assessment Corner (54:52), Tom answers a listener's question about reassessment.
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| Complainers | Joe Feldman | Rubrics 101 | 17 Oct 2022 | 01:24:57 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:29), Tom complains about complainers who have turned complaining into a personality trait driven by ego. Then, Tom is joined by Joe Feldman (12:38) for a conversation about his book, "Grading for Equity." Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:01:35), Tom reviews some important aspects needed to develop high-quality rubrics.
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| Must Be Measurable | John Hattie | The Good Ol’ Test | 10 Oct 2022 | 01:04:46 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:37), Tom shares his thoughts on how anything schools want to count in the court of public opinion must be measurable. Then, Tom is joined by Dr. John Hattie (12:25) for part two of a conversation about the Visible Learning research. Finally, in Assessment Corner (52:38), Tom discusses the good ol’ test, and how it can still fit within a balanced approach to assessment.
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| [TSP Classic] Yvette Jackson (May 2021) | 15 Jul 2024 | 01:18:48 | |
MAY 2021: Tom was joined by Dr. Yvette Jackson, author of Pedagogy of Confidence, to discuss the equity issue surrounding Special Education and Gifted programs.
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| Quiet Quitting | John Hattie | Willful Distortion | 03 Oct 2022 | 01:00:36 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:15), Tom shares his thoughts on the recent social media phenomenon called "Quiet Quitting." Then, Tom is joined by Dr. John Hattie (12:16) for part one of a conversation about the Visible Learning research. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:11), Tom discusses why it might be time to push back against those who push back at the elimination of punitive grading practices.
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| Can You Be Led? | Connie Hamilton | Fractured Relationship | 26 Sep 2022 | 01:05:30 | |
In Don’t @ Me (2:53), Tom opens by asking us all to consider whether we can set our egos aside and be open to being led. Then, Tom is joined by educator and author Connie Hamilton (9:33) to discuss her book, “Hacking Questions: 11 Answers that Create a Culture of Inquiry in your Classroom.” Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:38), Tom identifies the six most common ways the relationship between the formative and summative assessment paradigms gets fractured, making grading reform more difficult.
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| Reborn a Critic | Livia Chan | Synthesizing Standards | 19 Sep 2022 | 01:09:04 | |
In Don't @ Me (5:29), Tom declares that in his next life, he wants to return as a critic. Then, Tom is joined by author, speaker, and Teach Better Digital Coordinator Livia Chan (11:16) to discuss the importance of building strong relationships with our students. Finally, in Assessment Corner (55:48), Tom talks about why synthesizing our standards is the only way to authentically cover and assess them.
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| Answer the Question | Joe Sanfelippo | Jackpot! | 12 Sep 2022 | 01:03:18 | |
In Don't @ Me (2:41), Tom shares his thoughts on why it is so important to answer people's questions, especially in online forums, and why performative pontifications are the highest form of disrespect. Then, Tom is joined by Joe Sanfelippo (8:35) to discuss effective school and district leadership. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:28), Tom talks about why student investment is the ultimate Jackpot regarding our assessment literacy.
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| Spoiler Rules | Lindsay Titus | Sustaining Change | 29 Aug 2022 | 01:17:30 | |
In Don't @ Me (3:21), Tom outlines what he believes the societal rules surrounding "no spoilers" should be. Then, Tom is joined by Lindsay Titus (11:19) to discuss how educators can maintain some semblance of balance through the inevitable stress that comes with any school year. Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (51:46), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about how to sustain change efforts in assessment & grading.
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| Teaching Still Matters | Lainie Rowell | Leadership Blindspots | 15 Aug 2022 | 01:15:43 | |
In Don't @ Me (2:32), Tom expresses his frustration with those teachers who seem to want to run away from referring to themselves as "teachers." Then, Tom is joined by Lainie Rowell (11:24) to discuss her latest book, "Evolving with Gratitude: Small Practices in Learning Communities That Make a Big Difference with Kids, Peers, and the World." Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (57:11), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about some Leadership Blindspots when it comes to leading the efforts to create a new assessment and grading paradigm in a school.
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| We Must Listen | Nathan Wear | Gradeless vs Grade Less | 01 Aug 2022 | 01:21:57 | |
In Don't @ Me (2:36), Tom expresses his concern that if we can't listen to one another and empathize without agreeing, then the divides in our society will further deepen. Then, Tom is joined by Nathan Wear (14:02) to discuss his book, "Making Grades Matter: Standards-Based Grading in a Secondary PLC at Work." Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (52:13), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about whether it's "Gradeless" or "Grade Less."
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| Friends like Family | Gholdy Muhammad | Assessing Competencies | 18 Jul 2022 | 01:05:45 | |
In Don't @ Me (2:16), Tom reflects after a camping trip about his core group of friends who are more like family. Then, Tom is joined by Gholdy Muhammad (11:51) to discuss her book, "Cultivating Genius, an Equity Framework for Culturally and Historically Responsive Literacy." Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (46:40), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about how to assess 21st-century competencies.
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| Tales from MTL | Tyrone McNeil | Assessment Analogies | 04 Jul 2022 | 01:23:25 | |
In Don't @ Me (2:53), Tom recounts his trip to Montreal with his son to see their first-ever Formula 1 race. Then, Tom is joined by FNESC President Tyrone McNeil (19:46) to discuss the state of indigenous education. Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (1:04:56), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about some effective analogies that help clarify some complex assessment topics.
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| What’s a Majority? | Zaretta Hammond | Non-Negotiables v Philosophy | 20 Jun 2022 | 01:20:37 | |
In Don't @ Me (3:17), Tom questions whether or not society's assertion of "majority rule" is something we all really believe in. Then, Tom is joined by author Zaretta Hammond (14:04) to discuss her 2015 release, "Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain." Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (1:03:29), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about what aspects of assessment and grading are non-negotiable, and which aspects allow for some philosophical choices.
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| INTRODUCING: UYES Podcast with Tom Schimmer & Natalie Vardabasso | 13 Jul 2024 | 00:02:59 | |
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| I Was Tested | Andrea Samadi | Where to Begin | 06 Jun 2022 | 01:19:39 | |
In Don't @ Me (3:17), Tom, through highlighting a truly awful travel experience last week, explores how life tests us and how we have to maintain perspective, regardless of how frustrated we might be. Then, Tom is joined by author and "Neuroscience Meets SEL" podcast host Andrea Samadi (27:14) to discuss how SEL competencies positively impact the brain and the physiological development in children and youth. Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (1:01:47), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about where to begin if you're leading a reform effort in assessment & grading.
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| Negative Self-Talk | Rick Jetter | Assess THAT! | 23 May 2022 | 01:08:45 | |
In Don't @ Me (2:30), Tom explores the issue of negative self-talk and wonders why, if we wouldn’t say negative things to others, we keep saying negative things to ourselves. Then, Tom is joined by educator and author Rick Jetter (14:13) to discuss why students remember their teachers, sometimes forever. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:10), Tom and a special guest co-host talk about what we might underestimate and overestimate in terms of leading change in assessment & grading.
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| Allowed an Opinion? | Robert Cobbs | What Are You Assessing? | 09 May 2022 | 01:12:32 | |
In Don't @ Me (3:13), Tom discusses his concern over a new tactic that could become more divisive than helpful when debating societal issues. Then, Tom is joined by future author and educator Robert Cobbs (13:25) to discuss how he ended up in Puerto Rico and why he founded the non-profit Tech My School. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:10), Tom answers a listener question that has both a literacy and assessment side to it. .
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| BeReal with Me | Mike Mattos | 3 Strikes in Grading Reform | 02 May 2022 | 01:14:12 | |
In Don't @ Me (4:00), Tom discusses the new social media app BeReal which he says has a chance to create a more authentic online experience. Then, Tom is joined by author and speaker Mike Mattos (11:33) to discuss the RTI at Work framework. Finally, in Assessment Corner (58:40), Tom outlines 3 strikes in grading reform that he wants every school to avoid. .
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